Well I don’t know how that message will sit with the adults but it’s certainly a positive message for the youngsters.

Its good to see she respects herself enough to make that decision and even better that her man proved he loved her for her by waiting, can’t really find much fault in that.

im glad she put that out there so young girls/women can see that there are SOME good role models out there.

I read her sister to sister article..you can tell she really respects herself as a woman and it shows.

OMG Alicia…you are a real woman. I respect her and look up to her…well ish I waited nine months. So, I’m proud…LOL!!!!!!!!!

I wonder how long Alicia made her girlfriend wait.

lol at #6

Michael is stoopid!

Lol @ 6. I’m with #1 on this one, I don’t know how parents will take it, but personally I’m glad she made him wat first, it’s a true test, showing that the guy isn’t just there for what’s on the outside but also on the inside.

lol@ #6. i was thinking the same thing.

What can you say, she a classy lady…She has that Brooklyn swagger about her and she’s a class act.

LOVEEEEEEEEE YOU ALICIA! YOU ARE A VERY POSITIVE ROLE MODLE IN A WORLD FULL OF SEX, SEX, SEX!

@11 - You must mean a Manhattan swagger cause she’s not from Brooklyn.

Wise decision…

She’s worth the wait

Go Alicia, but you right #6 how long do she make the women wait. She made him wait a year because she know she didn’t won’t any dick, she wanted to be licked.

Damn right!

But who was HE with and what did he do in the meantime?

lol @ 6

I’m with commnet #17 because you KNOW he didn’t go 1 year w/o some pussy…
And personally I don’t think HE is worth her waiting for ANYWAY… But a nice positive message nonehtheless
And I’ve also heard the rumors about A.Keys as well

A year? Shit, two weeks is the max I’ll wait.

foolish decision,niggar always look to taste new ass.
we’ll see how long he will stay at home…than make himself dog…

Glad to see all women arent ho’s, ya’ll do need to hold on to your bodies a little tighter, its getting too easy.

She’s been dating him for a minute though. I guess he loves him some A. Keys, but I find hard to believe that he waited a year… But it’s a classy gesture nontheless. I always thought the 3 month rule from Girlfriends was long enough, lol

#13 thanks

A WOMAN LIKE THAT IS WORTH THE WAIT

lol @ #20

Yeah #17…and #22 is trying to f*** it up for everybody!!!! Good going A. Keys!! To each his own..but a year, I would orgasm everytime I sat down.

I am actually suprized she is talking about her sex life….she seemed like a private one to me…..oh well…Alicia need love too!

I know I didn’t just type supriZed….OMG.

Damn, that chick has willpower. I’m sure she has an extensive toy collection.

I don’t think it’s a stretch for most men to wait for “THE ONE” cuz most men keep a back-up plan anyway. Can you say sideline ho?

….that’s unbelievable….um…lol. Yea, I mean, waiting is good. I’m not saying that you have to give it up within the first month or so…but how the hell you goin wait that long? I know that by like, three months or so if I am chillin HARD with some dude…I don’t know if I can wait a year. That’s a long ass time. Maybe she was gettin it somewhere else. Lol…or maybe her girlfriend was giving it to her good:)

Then again, some people can wait like that.

Big ups to her for that.

Marrige + booty=Positive, Holding out a year + Releasing the booty = BULLSHIT….giving up the booty is giving up the booty. I don’t give a damn how many days you hold out. If you need comfirmation that you are beautiful inside by holding out on the ass for a year then you have a problem. This is some F’d up morals…you hold out on giving up the ass to declare your beautiful but you don’t hold out to after marriage…give me a F’ing brake!

Lmao @ Caff….wow you’re patient

Co-sign #28

I DO wonder what kind of relationship that suppose to establish, I HAVE never been with a woman that wanted to WAIT a year before giving me some sex… IS IT that he really doesn’t turn her on and this is some kind of forced relationship (they do production work together right)
I mean really ladies… WOULD you want to wait a YEAR if this is the man that turns you on and that you really want to be with… WHAT ius waiting a year going to accomplish!!!
HELL, in a year this man would’ve found some “Fire Puss” somewhere else and left your ass by then… OR worst, make you the “Other Woman”

What she said was ok. I mean how about waiting until you married to give it up??
If you can wait a year, you can wait until brother put a ring on your finger.

Did she say she made him wait a year cause she didn’t know if she didn’t know if she wanted d#ck or pu#sy?
lol! I’m just kidding! Good 4 her but she is crazy as hell! She must have had 1 hell of a vibrator!

Player just didn’t have the skills to liberate them drawls after the third date!

Believe me, the only reason he stuck around was because of all her dollar signs!

She didn’t give him the monkey, but I bet she gave him a car or some bling!

The one year rule! hehe!

But if you believe that you are not giving any nooky until you married, you can do that. It is not impossible. Some dudes are a trip, they dont want a woman to make them wait, but if it too easy then she a slut. Now waiting is hard. But you are in control of your body and situations you put yourself in.

I guess he is different so he waited for her which is a good thing. A year sounds too long but for ALICIA KEYS, i think the wait will definetly be worth it, but then again, maybe she was getting it from her REAL love??

#33 and #36, you speak the truth for real.

looks to me like a control thing, or she is unsure about her sexuality, just my opinion. Every since the first time I saw Alicia, something said to me, bisexual, or gay, just like something says that about Missy Elliott.

You see what some brothers on here are saying…she’s worth the wait. That’s the point. All these young girls giving up everything so fast…and then end up in dysfunctional relationships. A year is nothing when you want to be with someone for more than just that ass.

Now, y’all talkin! #41

One year and a day rule! hehe!

Was she a virgin?

What’s so special about her rule?

Fantasia didn’t wait a year and she’s on Lifetime this weekend! *snic*

Speak the TRUTH #33 & #36. What did Alicia REALLY accomplish with this? She waited a year. So? She’s still not married to ole boy. He just got a few extra months worth of information, a production deal, and the Krucial Keys website or whatever….AND he now has the booty for FREEEEEE! What has he bought?

And he waited…..SUUURRRREEEE! Does she really thinks he didn’t not have sex with anyone during that period? Then she is one naive ass bitch.

Bullshit! I look at it this way, if I hit it the first day or a year after, I still hit it - it doesn’t matter.

I understand that females want to display some principles, but it defeats the purpose. Because, if I aint getting it from you, you can bet your last two quarters, I am fucking somebody else. But to you, it will seem as if I waited.

The Duke has spoken! hehe!

The year wait ain’t really about who else he’s f@cking–its about making sure your not just a notch on his belt and that he’s worth opening the legs for–people can front on who they are for a while, but if you go 4 seasons with somebody you’ll see the real them. So my hats off to A. Keys

WOW!!! thats really amazing…You go A. Keys!!!

haven’t they known each other a lot longer than a year? i thought they met when she was like 16 or something. wouldnt she have known who he was by the time they got involved?

Ladies, I’m sorry,a year?! Yall ever didn’t see the package ahead of time, and he finally slips it in, and you were MAAAAD disappointed. LMAO. I need to know what size I’m spending my time with at least within 2 weeks. CONDOMS PLEASE!

LMAO @ #6

my girl Alicia K!,lol @ 6, anyways for Christina fans get your copy of Back to Basics now!, its amazing so far its critically ALBUM OF THE YEAR, if you love true hiphop beats by premier support the album.

that’s right! go-on licia! keep dem’ goodies to yo-self girl!

I am amazaed at the comments from the men! Who cares who you screw while a woman handles her biz?!?!?! And whether or not Mz Keys and dude get married, if she managed to keep herself clean for a year then I’m glad for her. Anybody can get a quick f@!k, anytime, anywhere, but can you keep your stuff to yourself for 30 minutes? That ain’t no knick knack you got between your legs!!!

LOL @ #6, 17, and 21

I did that once made my BF wait a whole year and later on after we broke up he told me that he couldn’t wait that long so he cheated. You don’t have to wait that long in order to get to know someone because what more do you know in a year that you did not find out in 6 months???? Shit 3 months or even one week and you will know if you can vibe with this nigga or not.

I commend Alicia Keys for doing what she did. She probably has expierenced relationships in the past of getting involved sexually too soon and the outcome wasn’t great. Her waiting out a year allowed her to get to know her man well enough to see if hes really worth giving up her “womans worth”

waiting a year…that pure class
why a year though?? why just not do it at all

agree w #50

I Like Alicia Keys, but I don’t think this is a good message to send to our daughters.

I cosign Post # 45 Jqueen.

So WHAT, that she made him wait a year…
She STILL gave it up to him, and HE DIDN’T marry her !

And he won’t…Why…Because she gave it up to quick!

Women, it’s your JOB to make a man wait. !!!

Your Mother told you to make him wait.
Your Father told you to make him wait
Your Pastor told you to make him wait.
GOD told you to make him wait.
What is there not to understand about that???

Why do you (women) change gears once you meet a man. ???

He’s not going to respect you or marry you if you give it up.
Why is that so hard to understand?

He SHOULD wait a year…Heck; he should wait 2/3/5 years.
Why: Because YOU (female) are WORTH it!!!!
And, if a Man “wants” you, he should marry you!

Man, I don’t understand women anymore…
It’s all about SEX…Whatever happened to COMMITMENT??

Dag, this is a sad position for a women to take.

Abstinence before marriage will strengthen the relationship, and give you (the couple) the fortitude to make it through the tough times.

Once you get married, you’ll have plenty of time to enjoy the fruits of the marriage bed!!

Listen, live your life, do you.
This is only MY Opinion.
Use it if you like.
If you disagree with what I said, just keep it moving, ignore it.

Peace

I know she was good and tight after a year..mmmmmm

wow i respect her even more now, very POSITIVE role model. Alicia is just a positive person through her music and her life.

I dunno about a year but ladies, if it don’t feel right you just shouldn’t give away the Putang. A woman knows when she’s feeling a man and when she’s not.

Anyway, I think Alicia’s message would be more valuable for younger people. Like I said before, I doubt many adults would get anything out of it as many of you have said because once the skins have been stretched it hard to resist going back for seconds. But the babies can certainly benefit. And, they need this type of message the most.

It was beautiful enough to wait for marriage…?

^^ It wasN’T beautiful enough to wait for marriage…?

LOL @ 61

A year is her personal preference for Alicia. All Im saying there are men out here that can control their bodies to stay abstinent (sp) and respect their bodies. God wants you to save your body for marriage. Women are not the only ones that can do this and the only ones this is expected of. If you believe you are a man and do not have bodily control..that is a lie. It is a choice you are making because it is so easy to succomb to the flesh then to crucify it. Natural is making love to your wife or husband…not before then.

Props to Alicia! THey look cute together. If they got married and have kids they would have a cute family.

It’s a really sad day when people can actually believe that making a person wait for a year isn’t a good thing, or that men are such slaves to their carnal desires that they can’t wait for the one’s they love without going to poke someone else on the side. The generations before us did it. We aren’t animals.

This has nothing to do with getting married. She might not want to get married at this point, but that doesn’t mean she wants her body violated by a guy that didn’t deserve it. If the man actually waited a year (and it IS possible to go without sex for that long), that says a lot about his character. I’m pretty sure that, after a year, if he was fuckin’ someone else she would have known: men aren’t slick and Alicia’s no fool. Sex is shoved in our faces by the media so much that it seems like you can’t have a fulfilling relationship without sex for a long period of time. Good that Ms. Keys showed us that you can.

Marriage is nothing but the great excuse nowadays, anyway. Too many people get married just so they can poke, or because they got knocked up, or for reasons other than genuine love, and then they get trapped in their unhappy relationships. So waiting for marriage really doesn’t mean much anymore.

So, what? He’s free to violate her after a year? What does that prove?

I guarantee you he had something on the side.
Any guy will tell you sex regulates attitude and after a year of not getting any most guys would be straight buggin. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a wonderful gesture and I applaud them but after the first month most guys would be working on a backup plan or walking around irritated and frustrated as hell (forget the holding and cuddling crap).

Waiting a year only proves that she has this nigga whipped. To be honest he should have been able to talk her out of the panties after the first month.
Like I said….good for them but if she’s not making him wait until marriage it’s just an exercise in control.

BTW: I guess her body’s not beautiful enough to make him wait until they got married.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO MICHAEL THATS TOO GOOD!!

I DONT BUY THIS STORY, WHY DO WE CARE??

IF SHE DID THATS NICE BUT WHY BROADCAST IT?

WHAT IF SHE DIDNT WANT TO GET MARRIED!!!! WHY DOES EVERYONE ASSUME THAT EVERY WOMAN WANTS TO GET MARRIED? IT’S 2006 PEOPLE & 1/2 END IN DIVORECE-IT REALLY AINT ALL THAT.

i dont like the use of the word “violated” in the context she’s using it. that word has a negative implication to it. if its consensual, its not a violation no matter how long you all wait. but thats just my opinion.

haha so tru #64…

what bothered me is that a lot of guys on here keep sayin if they can’t get none then they will go else where for it…but after awhile it just made sense…there are two types of people in relationships, those who want to have fun and spread “lust” to the world…and those who want to find that someone to spend the rest of their days with…if your one lookin for commitment and a dude tells you he cant wait then he aint the one for you point blank…

K.I.M (keep it movin!!!) that’s what ladies need to do if they can’t find what they are lookin for…there is no point in settling for anything less.

I commend her for that. This chick who liked me invited me over to her house to look at pictures (I thought). She ended up lettin me hit it multiple times in like 3 days and then had the nerve to wonder why I wasnt trying to make her my girl. What would I tell the kids??? The sexiest women are the ones who can make a nigga wait for a while(or at least pretend to).

ewwww they way he looks i’d make him wait 2 years
he looks wack
and why did she put him on blast like that? you know his boys are clowning him now…

seriously though what was the damn point…and did she give him head in the meantime? cause if she didnt you know his azzz was slipping and sliding in something else

I feel u #17 aint no way that nigga went a whole year without sum tail. Who knows maybe A.Keys was breakin him off wit a lil head or sumthen to hold him over till she gave up the goods.

I’m saying though…

If a guy and a girl make a positive connection and they both share the same strong feelings for each other, why wait?

Even a nun gives up the pussy faster than a year.

OK, Just food for thought ladies and gents. Here’s a What if: He gets the skins after faithfully waiting a year and then he finds out that it’s horrible. So he tries like five more times and it still sucks. Should he dump her or work on her since she made him wait that damn long in the first place?

#6 you are too much. Can’t lie, I thought that too. LOL

If I’m not smashin’ a girl within the first 30 minutes of meeting her, somethings wrong.

Personally, I just think she sounds dumb. If she wants to be all “moral” she should wait to til she gets married. Sex before marriage, bibically, is a violation of your body no matter how long you wait. **I don’t know if someone has already said something to that effect…apologize for the repeat if they have.**

further more how did she come up with one year?
like is that the set amount of time when you want to see if you’re valued by someone?
i have known friends for 5 years and i still dont “really know them”

homeboy can change personalities in 2 years and turn out to be a dyck…then what?

All I know is she better stay with him 4EVER or ya’ll gonna clown her ass 4EVER.

hmm, lol, this is none of our business lol. this feels awkward. I think Alicia must have spent lots of time away from her bf or something…maybe thats how she got the year..

WOW! I can’t believe some of the comments I am hearing on cl. Ladies when did it become a bad thing to respect your body and make a man wait? A relationship is more than sex. If Alicia wanted a jumpoff situation and only sex I’m sure that she would of gave it up, but she knew what she wanted. Men like the chase. Little red coverettes, slow down. Maybe that’s why the marriage rate is so low in the black community. YOu know the saying, if you can get the milk for free, why buy the cow? Making your man wait a little tells him “respect me” or KIM (keep it moving), that is a powerful statement to make.

I like the honesty of the men on here. But some of ya’l men need to slow down too. Men need to show some respect for their bodies too.

Cosign Post # 85.

Exactly!

This all goes toward Alicia Keys’ Ulterior motive for making this announcement.

Was she trying to redirect question about her sexual preferences ??

I mean, why put your OWN personnel life on blast like this??

This was a DUMB announcement.
A REAL lady doesn’t discuss her indiscretions..

Peace

pittbboi,

You don’t know what the generations did before! Hell, grandma nem use to lift up them long dresses in the corn fields and bend over! hehe! And, don’t sit there and fool yourself into thinking that a man can’t hide his “other woman” for a year! Some men have two complete families and never get caught!

And, don’t pretend that you go without sex for years, because you know you jerk off! hehe! Well, maybe not you! And, little Ms. Keys has been waxing her monkey too!

Why do you use the word “poke”? Is that your experience? You feel poked? Its no wonder you see marriage as a great excuse! You got a distorted view or relationships, so quit trying to act like you know!

What’s love got to do with it? If people waited on love before they get married, no one ever would! Its about committment! For better or worst! Love is just a second hand emotion! You better find a woman who is committed to the same things that you’re committed to and stay together! READ THIS PARAGRAPH AGAIN!

Afterall, what kind of love is Alicia showing by coming out now and telling the world, I made that chump wait a year before he “got it”! I wonder how she would have felt if he had said, I’m “getting it” from Alicia! Another one of the double standards!

She didn’t make herself look good on this one! Maybe, she’s pregnant or something causes her to go public with this very private matter! Just like being a queer is a private matter! Keep it to yourself or get help!

Alicia’s gonna have to eat her words one day, like Halle and Toni! Trying to be all smooth and righteous only to fall flat on their faces in relationships!

CAFF, #79

I’m glad you said “a guy and a girl” not a guy and a guy!

Well if you made him wait to earn your respect, that is cool. Let me find out that this chcick is a lesbian, I am going to bring this wait a year stuff up. You know we been hearing the rumors . As for Missy, she act like a man to me. Peace.

My best friend made her man wait longer than a year before she gave it up. That was two years ago, and they’re still together, though not married yet, and their relationship is all the stronger for it. I’ve never met to people so into each other.

Marriage is a committment, and it takes time to nurture and grow. My two friends are both in grad school. They want to wait until they graduate before they get married, which makes a lot of sense.

Alicia and Krucial may want to wait until they’re more settled in their careers and out of the limelight to get married. It’s a new generation, people. In a day where it’s statistically more likely that a couple will get divorced before two years than actually stay together, how can anyone view marriage as the ultimate symbol of love?

I’m a virgin and even I don’t understand the point of making a guy wait a year. Intimacy and security are qualities that the other person either offers you upfront or not at all. You don’t have to wait a year’s time to know what a man is all about. And, It would be a turn-off to me if the guy I was in a relationship with didn’t have enough backbone to say what he wanted from me. Yeah, that would make me wait longer than year because he just wouldn’t be getting any!

I guess it’s good message for these teenage girls who spread their legs in whichever direction the wind blows but… she seems self-righteous with that kind of attitude.

Well if you made him wait to earn your respect, that is cool. Let me find out that this chcick is a lesbian, I am going to bring this wait a year stuff up. You know we been hearing the rumors . As for Missy, she act like a man to me. Peace.

@ Meatloaf, why so hard on Pittboi all the time? Is it personal?

If she decided in her head that he has to wait a year before he gets some, then thats total bullshit.

Its good to wait but putting a cap on the time is like wearing a chastity belt with a time release lock.

@ 69 - YOU PREACHED IT!

EVERYBODY SAYING SHE SHOULD HAVE WAITED FOR MARRIAGE…THATS YOUR BELIEFS. NOT EVERYBODY HAS THOSE RELIGIOUS RULES HANGING OVER THEM. NOT EVERBODY WANTS TO GET MARRIED. IF A WOMAN DECIDES SHE DOESN’T WANT TO GET MARRIED AT ALL, WHAT THEN? NEVER HAVE SEX AT ALL? NIGGA PLEASE. NEXT >>>>>>>>>

ALICIA IS A CLASSY LADY. THERE’S NOTHIN LIKE BEIN WITH A MAN YOU KNOW IS WITH YOU FOR YOU AND NOT CUS HE HITTIN IT. MORE LIL HOT ASSES NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO FIND OUT WHO THEIR MAN REALLY IS BEFORE THEY SPREAD EM.

A Pittboi, the only thing I will disgaree with you on is your “The generations before us did it.” Not totally true. There is plenty of evidence everywhere that suggests that grandma and grandpa weren’t always faithful to each other. I bet there are tons of people on this board who can testify that Grandpoppa was a rolling stone or that Grandmamma had several baby daddies.

question: do men respect their bodies when they wait?
oh wait a minute they dont wait do they?
why cant we get the same pleasure as a man from sex whether its jump off or otherwise and still get the same props from our homegirls, like yeah I hit that LOL and still feel decent in the morning…

people waste way too much of their time wondering what other people think of their moves in life and not enough time doing what they feel is right for themselves

her sex life as nothing to do with how i respect her as an accomplished artist. she had my respect from just being a great performer who followed her dreams and her man should feel the same way too

Commonsense said: @ Meatloaf, why so hard on Pittboi all the time? Is it personal?
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that nigga is homophobic

LMAO @ #6 & #20.

As far as waiting, it needs to be a mutual, compromising decision. A year is really nothing IF both agree. She should have said, I wanted to wait, and he agreed with my decision.

Nonetheless, the fact that it took her a year to figure out what she wanted to do is a testament that even adults don’t always have it figured out all right away, AND it’s OK to wait until you know for sure what you want to do. That’s the message to send to young people……..the fact that Alicia Keys is admitting to waiting a year JUST TO HAVE PRE-MARITAL SEX means nothing to me. That’s not a role model. Everybody’s having premarital sex.

I respect that. That is truly a lady. No need too rush. What’s ever there will be waiting for you when you get there. Go head Lee.

@ Brightfuture: I see.

with black women only being 7 % of the population, but making up 50% of all new hiv cases, this is a message that all black women need to hear.

as for the brotha, he can wait if it is something that you want, and he wants a. keys, then he will do what ever it takes to win her affection and love, men like to chase women, but it seems that men dont have to chase any more. as a young brotha, i use to see the older guys almost walk on their knees down main street for a date with a pretty girl.

Caff said: If a guy and a girl make a positive connection and they both share the same strong feelings for each other, why wait?

I agree with that, and I mean, if you don’t, why not just wait for marriage? What is this magical “one year”?

Nix Said: why cant we get the same pleasure as a man from sex whether its jump off or otherwise and still get the same props from our homegirls, like yeah I hit that LOL and still feel decent in the morning…

You can, and in a perfect world should. But women can make babies and men can’t, so a greater risk is involved. Unless you’re infertile it’s not cool to take those chances. Not to mention the damage it does to a woman’s soul. Remember, Woman is God’s gift to Man. Not the other way around. And yeah, condoms can prevent a lot of stuff but what protection is there for a battered soul?

How is marriage a BIGGER committment than SEX when sex is a portion of marriage.

How can you say yes we can please each other physically which will bring us closer, but let’s NOT sign a little piece of paper to make it legal. What EDUCATED person thinks this. That’s foolish. There is no reason to want to be with someone sexually without making it legal, other than being SELFISH. I’m sorry, but the truth is the truth no matter what spin you put on it. I have plenty friends that got married in graduate school, college, and even high school. And yes, they’re still together.

Good for her if that’s what she wants.. it’s her life. Everyone has different beliefs and morals and she is really setting a good example for the younger ones. I had sex with my man on the first real date( I just could not help myself) and, we have been together for over a year now and we live together and things are wonderful. But I had very strong feelings already and so did he. I guess it really depends but typically we all know that’s not a good idea.

pittbboi…….i totally agree with you.

THAT’S GOOD 2 HEAR… NOW MAYVE ALL THESE DUM CHICKENHEADS GIVIN IT UP ON BLIND DATES WILL WAKE UP & TRY TO RESPECT THEMSELVES..

Well i would have made his ULGY ass wait a year also lol but no really i feel that Ladies all over should do the same thing when it comes to wanting to be in a relationship, well maybe not a year but still yea, they should make niggas wait but i know that some people have sex partners and i think that is ok (RAP IT UP THO)

But i will say this i give the nigga his props i would ahve waited a year to to get to that………………

Commonsense, #94

You got a lot of nerve! You ask why I’m hard on the freak and then you turn around and started telling him how wrong he is too! #97 hehe! That punk is always wrong as two left shoes…except when he’s talking about Scorities! Who cares?

OMT, if you’re gay, I’ll include you next time in the homophobia!

BrightFuther,

You need to quit, because you already announced that you and your daughter were cum suckers! Neither one married and both using the same condoms! You’re no better than Alicia for telling that one! hehe! Indescretion! I hope you’re not committing incest!

#92 Decysive,

Hello!

I can’t understand how some of you are downing Alicia for waiting a year. I mean I think that really shows how much she respects herself and her body. It also shows that he cares a lot about her to stick with her for that long without getting sex from her. There are a lot of guys who won’t do that, regardless of whether or not they have someone on the side. I would have respected Alicia even more if she chose to wait until marriage, but I don’t know what her views are on marriage and religion. But I really thnk relationships should be more than just about sex, and I think more young women should hold out for longer periods of time (even until marriage) so they can feel that a guy is with them for all of the right reasons rather than just their sex.

I think that most of the problems with relationships today stem from girls and women giving it up way too fast.

@ Meatloaf, don’t go trying to start no wars okay. I just asked a simple question (that you didn’t even have to answer) because I noticed that out of all the posts that were contrary to your opinion you jumped on Pittboi’s. Furthermore, me disagreeing with him has nothing to do with nothing. And if you comprehended what I wrote without flying off the handle you would see that I said I AGREED with him except for one thing. Chill out brotha. There’s no need for all that venom. We’re just having a nice little discussion on here for a change. But you’re coming across like you haven’t had your daily insulin shot.

I think in this age of “desperado’s” (women willing to share their man just to say they have 1), “way-too casual sex” (the increasing, desensitizing attitude that it’s okay to explore with any & every fucking body), & the “down-low” epidemic (where your partner is secrectly cheating on you with a same-sex partner) That Alicia’s attitude is refreshing, if nothing else. I think it shows a level of restaint & control that is a rarity in this age of “free-love”. I’m glad that she know’s she a role-model & speaks to a level of responsibility. Now I know there are those of you who have thrown the “why not wait til’ marriage” in the scenario. But being a role-model isn’t about saying all the right things to raise “your children” correctly, it’s about making the right choices for yourself, choices you won’t regret knowing that the world is watching, but most importantly how you will feel about “SELF” in the after-glow. Bravo for the fact that somebody knows that their “goodies” are special enough…

This is why I LOVE Alicia!

@meatloaf… you crack me up, Get at them
I don’t think that the amount of sex you have determines the level of respect you have for your body!!! I DO think that how you go about having sex (protection, who you choose, how to choose to have sex, etc.) is the TRUE test of what level of respect you have for yourself and your body.
If you are already sexually active THEN waiting a year to me would be extreme… I can’t speak for the women BUT us men, when we get sexually eroused… that SHIT got to come out eventually or we’re going to have some physical problems

Making a guy wait does not build a better relationship. It only serves to empower the woman.

Let’s break it down. If you make a guy wait:
Does he gain a better appreciation for the woman?….maybe
Does he gain more respect for the woman?…maybe
Do you have a stronger bond because it’s not just about a physical connection?…maybe
Is the sex more about love then lust?…maybe

Wait…that didn’t work out right……..

DAYUM YOU ALICIA KEYS!!!!!
DAYUM YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!

well i wouldn’t wait a whole YEAR, maybe half? nine months? but the message and thought behind it was good. go alicia. she is DEFINITELY a good role model and a beautiful and wonderful artist. i bet her and her man have a good relationship.

and yes, the youngsters should really pay attention to that because they be so quick to give it to anybody. then you get older and be like ‘maan, i regret him and him and him…’

@ Caff, I feel you, but realistically when you give it up fast it changes things! When you give it up period it changes things, these young girls today need to listen to this advice, cause when you don’t give yourself time you end up sleeping with a whole bunch of guys and not feeling too good about yourself at the end of the day! That’s why I give myself time cause I sure do hate to give up one of my precious columns to some fool!

Ok, isn’t a woman “respecting herself” if she allows herself to experience sexual pleasure when she wants to? And with whom she wants to?

It seems like people believe that when a woman has sex, she’s giving something away, whereas when a man has sex, he’s receiving something.

Put another way, if Usher, or Kanye West, or any man told the world that he made his girlfriend wait a year before having sex with her, half of y’all (esp. the guys) would be like “Oh hell no! That nigga must be gay!!”

Because its ok (indeed, expected) for a man to want sex, but if a woman wants sex, she’s just “giving it up too easy” (nevermind the fact that SHE might have simply wanted to get a nut, and that’s it). I suppose people like to think that men enjoy sex, while women do it out of obligation (or something).

I guess its all how you view your individual sexuality. I believe that the church poisons people’s minds against the idea of a woman’s sexuality. Notice how the Bible bends over backwards to continually assert the idea that the only virtuous women are virgins, while men can be as lascivious as they care to be, and still be considered honorable and great(i.e., King Solomon).

As if once a woman is no longer a virgin, she becomes some sort of societal bane, regardless of what else she may have to offer.

Of course, this is no revelation. It’s common knowledge that one philosophy that ALL the three major religions have in common is misogyny.

This I know, if you ain’t givin it to ya man, the next chick out there is willing.

that’s good for her….but I’mma be evil *holding onto Jesus Cross* But that nigga is ugly as whoopty doo….I wouldve made him wait for an eternity, regardless of how good his personality is…I just couldnt imagine that thing huffing and puffing all on me…..good for Alicia…cause I know she loves men regardless of their looks, and that’s more than I can say for my own damn self…BUT SERIOUSLY, a year though???? I know women who are still virgins at Alicia’s age sooo this must have been a slow news day…a year doesnt mean you’re “sure” about someone….I know people who are married who were prolly way more sure of themselves after having sex after 3 months…so should I give alicia a cookie for her statement?…let’s just bring it all out in the open
BASICALLY ALICIA didnt sleep with ole dude until a year later because some other dude she prolly slept with after a one night stand after a show that she attempted to have a relationship with prolly gave her a hell of a time..yes she moved too fast like most of us do…sooooo because ms Alicia was hurt she was went through the typical “damn yall, im sick of black men I need a break from em” and homeboy prolly rolled up on Alicia during that stage and thus when she was ready to go into the “i love you…and damnit im pretty horny too, black men are a-ok” stage then she “decided” to have sex because her body is a temple…yes Miss Alicia is a good woman, but some of yall making her seem like God or a prophet…good Job Alicia for ummm having premarital sex and not getting preggers? dang why is this news again? I need a nap

TRUST ME.
A man will wait a year and even longer if you have a conncetion, I f he’s mature…He will wait. If he won’t wait then fuck ‘em you didn’t need him anyway.
Men NEED sex but when they know a girl is keeping their legs closed and they will eventually get some untouched (for a year) coochie!

#121 STANDING HERE APPLAUDING YOU

Meatloaf said:
BrightFuther,
You need to quit, because you already announced that you and your daughter were cum suckers! Neither one married and both using the same condoms! You’re no better than Alicia for telling that one! hehe! Indescretion! I hope you’re not committing incest!
————————————–
??? Once again, I’m confused by your “humor.” I don’t have any daughters. WTF are you talking about? Matter-of-fact, WTF are you ever talking about?

All these comments are nice, but really the message she is really sending is get to know the dude before you f em’… and that’s not cool cause the message should be wait until marriage. Bottom line people, stop looking to these celebrities to set standards of how things in life should be… look to your family and youth counselors at church.

2cents

thank you #33 for being real…don’t get me wrong, cuz i love me some Alicia, but come on people…just cuz u make a dude wait a year for sex…AND??? you’re still givin it up…in God’s eyes you’re still FORNICATING

i mean, let’s be real here…if that’s your 13 year old daughter reading that article, do you want her to think it’s o.k. to have sex with a dude “as long as you make him wait a year”??

that’s her personal preference, but it certainly doesn’t win the Mother Theresa award…

I DONT KNOW I BELIEVE NO SEX TILL MARRIAGE. THIS MAN COULS GET IT FROM HER THAT YEAR AND UP AND LEAVE HER AFTER IT. JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPEN TO MY FRIEND

Just unbelievable..I bet they both have a lot of toys,or he defintely has a sideline ho. For all that being said she might as well wait til marriage.

co-signing #33, #60, #67, #83, and #106! Sex before marriage is selfish…end of story! Please don’t try and put some bullshit spin on it talking about, you did it to show how you felt..you mean you wanted to feel *something*. Sex after a year, or sex after one day is all sex before marriage, which is sex before anybody is ready to commit to you. If you’re ok with the reality of that then fine, but let’s not make it as if the longer you make him wait without marriage is any better. Now a hoe to me, is somebody that sleeps with EVERYBODY! Sex before marriage doesn’t make you a hoe, but it says here’s a free pass to my body and you can leave tomorrow, and I can’t say nothing! And who cares what year it is. What, God didn’t know 2006 was coming?! Guess we should all be killing each other and sleeping with eachothers husbands/wives, huh? And the divorce rate these days has got more to do with fake, hollywood, worldly expectations of marriage, rather than what God intended it for. Trust me, it’s the real. Peace.

x.romantique.x

^^^But a man can marry you and leave you as well…

#124 but why should you have to hold out to see if a man respects your body?
a healthy relationship is based on a connection of minds not the connection of sex organs

we’ll be reading about them soon: A. Keys finds out her lover was able to wait a year because he cheated on her at various times during their 1 year hiatus
maybe she shoulda made it a 3 month rule…then he would have cheated less times LOL

judging from alot of these posts it is really true that alot women connect sex with their hearts…whereas a most men can tell and appreciate the difference between the 2

Wasn’t she 14 when she met him? And I thought I read last year where he said they ain’t going out. Those two need to stop frontin. And I hope Alicia don’t think that his ass wasn’t fucking someone else while she made him wait.

I agree some of these women today are just, um….as worst as the men, and that is NOT a good thing. It is not right for a man and it isn’t right for a women. It is all shameful. Some of these man today don’t even have too chase a women and that is sad. Most of them are their. ready and willing too give a man anything he ask. Just because their self esteem is that low. It’s a different between wanting too get yours and giving it too every man that shows you some attention…and this is too my young sisters…not the one who are old enough too know it all. Just because he’s cute that doesn’t mean give him the draws. make him chase them. LOL

SPEAK THE TRUTH #60 (BILL)

NEWSFLASH LADIES…if he’s gonna cheat, he’s gonna cheat, whether you give him sex or not..you can give it up after 2 days or wait 2 years…if that man’s gonna cheat, he’s gonna cheat even if he gets it from you EVERYDAY
PEOPLE DON’T CHEAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, PEOPLE CHEAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO

I love Alicia Keys as an artist and it seems to me that she’s been pretty private about her personal life so why did she feel it necessary to tell us she made her man wait for a year? Should she be applauded that she was able to exert control in an industry that seems to be based on “who you know or who you blow” or did she think perhaps our daughters and us as young women would benefit from that knowledge?

I’m confused…

I thought relationships were about sharing your feelings, loving, laughing, being friends, building a life together not marking on the calender how long you make him wait or how often you can get her to give up the “draws”.

If he does not respect you from day 1, he will not respect you on day 365.

#92 Decysive,

You may be a virgin, but you sound like the little cherry is ready to pop! I would love to creep into your dreams tonight and teach you the ghetto kama sutre! By morning, your sheets would be soaking wet from spreading your legs in whichever direction my wind blows! I would tell you exactly what I wanted you to do and then make you my little ghetto slave! Oh, and I’d take you shopping too! hehe!

Imma give you all the intimacy and security you need! Once I turn you on, I’ll never turn you off! See you tonight! hehe! Holla at yo boy!

It’s not that women connect sex to their hearts because I for one agree that women should be able to have sex when/how they want without labels.

But the truth of the matter is that when a womn gives it up without attaching a value to it then it cheapens her.

She may be the only one who knows what she does behind closed doors but the real deal is this: If you were valuable to one man, many men wouldn’t have you and you wouldn’t need to have many men.

That is so wonderful. I hope these young girls are paying attention.

In my experience the first date or the 50th doesn’t matter it does not take that long to realize how you feel about someone. If you are going to sleep with someone protect yourself and go forth people preaching to adults about abstaining are only ruining ones chill. Personally I would not wait a year not because I lack self control but simply I don’t want to its that simple.

To Post # 92, Decysive,

I commend you, and I salute you.

Please don’t let the “adults” on this blog confuse you.

Please continue to WAIT until your MARRIED before having Sex.

I PROMISE you, you will be GLAD you waited !!

Peace.

#136 i co sign with you, be a man or woman if they gonna cheat they gonna do it no matter how long you make them wait.there is a reason they say that good men and women not about the games are hard to find and how when you find them to hold on to them

# 98: I didn’t realize you’d already basically said what I said. You’re a clever girl!

# 105: The only reason I disagree with you is because, these days, there are reasonable steps one can take to keep from getting pregnant or getting STD’s, so the risk can be minimized. The reason the church is against contraceptives is because they empower women to shed the bullshit roles given them by said institution. A woman does NOT have to quantify her worth as the amount of sexual partners she’s had (or not had). One has nothing to do with the other.

I think it’s good for the younger people as someone pointed out early but for a female to make a man wait for her for 1 year? Okay that’s fine but what if he waits a year, hit it and leave. What would you do then or what would’ve been the point?

I said this in another post (Common) but I have to say it agin. Meatloaf, I’m convinced that you are just one angry, miserable person. Either that or you just like to say shit to be controversial. It’s so whack of you either way. that comment to Decysive was so mature and appropriate.

I love this post ya’ll. Everybody is keeping it grown and sexy and making some really good points without getting into a whole lot of unnecesary name calling and disrespecting (minus the few troublemakers). Wow, so refreshing.

As for 138 you need too leave that little girl alone ( sorry if you aren’t so young. LOL) with your pervert ass.

Meatloaf you’re a FREAK… MAYBE you need some.

Alicia acted irresponsibly on this one! She’s no different that Fantasia and Beyonce’ now! Only “B” is a southern girl who won’t discuss her private life and Fantasia had no choice after she got pregnant!

bill,

What makes you think that Decysive isn’t an adult too?

Comment #136… I MUST correct you
A REAL man (mature, career/goals/morals oriented, family man) Will NOT (I repeat) WILL NOT cheat on his wife IF he’s getting sex from her everyday OR however many times that will keep him sexually satisfied !!!
The LACK of sex in a marriage is what leads to problems brewing within the relationship.
What more women NEED to understand is that keeping your man sexually satisfied is a REQUIREMENT to help maintain the strong bond within the relationship!!!
Now a DAWG is going to be a DAWG because he has no morals therefore his judgement will always be out of whack… LADIES these men love you that’s why they decided to take you as their wife!!!

at #121 you OBVIOUSLY DON’T READ MUCH OF THE BIBLE

#139
maybe it cheapens you…
but im assuming you’re speaking for yourself and not for other women who dont need to attach a “value” in order to enjoy sex

dont get me wrong im not saying go around and fuck the world

if we are all adults on this blog then you can understand what im saying is if 2 people wanna go at it why should such a great thing as sex need to be viewed as cheap disrespectful or otherwise…

many quoted religion and bible in here…um how do u think the world multiplied from just 2 damn people…
u think eve said hold up adam i need to know that you respect me as a woman therfore you will have to wait a year until my fruit has ripened…

hell no GOD was like yall better get busy and populate the earth

Post # 105 & 139, Ms_MAC1
Thank you SO much for saying what you said…

I wanted to state what you already stated, but the LADIES need to hear a WOMAN say what you have so wisely stated.

I will now speak to the men……

MEN:
When a woman decides to give herself to you, she is giving more than her BODY!

She is giving you her SOUL.
She is ENTRUSTING her SOUL to you, along with her feelings & emotions.
When a Man deposits his sperm inside a woman, he is depositing his soul.
Man & woman combine through intimacy, and they become one.

Sex is more than physical
Sex is Spiritual.
It’s the Joining together of Two Souls.

Now….Do you really want to give your SOUL to someone you’re not married to???
Sex isn’t just physical.
It REALLY should be a spiritual connection

Peace.

UM OK

That’s great she made him wait…but that don’t mean he didn’t get it somewhere else.

@ nix
I learned form experience that it’s better to wait awhile, simply because we as women tend to catch feelings and get caught up. I think its safe to say that if we as women wait you can think clearly about…is this the man for me? Are his qualities what I want in a husband. MEN are SIMPLE! Just get to know him before getting down. It’ll save you from being hooked and can’t let a lazy ass nigga go.

If you fuck him the first night and the sex is fantaboulos, then tomorrow you find out he’s a BUM, you done wasted something so precious and YOU LOOSE. Ya’ll WE AS NURTURING BEINGS TEND TO THING WE CAN CHANGE MEN. The fact of the matter we can’t. If you take your time and get to know each other it’ll be worth it.

SO I GUESS SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS OUT OF THE QUESTION. AND I’M ONLY 18, BIT WOW!

SO I GUESS SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS OUT OF THE QUESTION. AND I’M ONLY 18, BIG WOW!

Hey What’s Up Meatloaf..

Decysive could very well be an adult.

If she is, that’s REALLY good !

I was just trying to give her some moral support !!

Peace..

If your waiting to have sex until married…you’ll be sadly disappointed on your honeymoon because neither one of y’all is going to know what the fuck you’re doing & be like is that it? No, that’s not it but practise makes perfect.

Bill, thats great in theory and premise but my contention is that your beliefs and message is falling on deaf ears. Your message is positive but you should focus on the youth and people who share your beliefs. People are different everyone does not share your view, unfortunately or fortunately. In short your posts are suppositional and biased and have no basis in mosts reality your messge is only relevant to people who share your viewpoint. I’m not attacking your opinion in my experience I rather deal with “what is” not “what if”

@144 (Ginger) - Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a holy roller and I’m not giving my viewpoint from the church’s point of view. I’m also not against women having the freedom to make choices. But what I am is very spiritual so I do believe in a higher power.

But let me clarify my earlier point. What I’m saying is that if a woman acts like a man, being sexually free without limitations or by sleeping with an indiscriminatory amount of men, she is running the risk of cheapening her spritual self.

See, I think women are divine and on a higher ground than men (and I am not bashing the guys here). I just think it’s a woman’s world. I think women are really in charge. We just take the support role because every team needs at least two to function. And since men are physically stronger, we have to compensate in other ways. Our strenght comes from a different place. But if we become like men, where does that leave us. Who protects the babies? Who raises the children? Who serves as the mother (spritually speaking)?

Of course there are good men out there that can accomplish this too but women are ultimately responsible for life, and that’s a gift. You have to protect that gift and treat it like it’s precious.

When you’re young and naive it’s okay to falter and make mistakes. I’m not better than anybody in that arena and I’ve certainly passed through my women’s liberation days. But when you’ve grown into an adult you have to understand the power that you were given between your legs and you have to use that power wisely. Dishing it out carelessly only weakens that power. Feel me?

Every person is not deserving of that power so passing it out just because you can will utlimately weaken the strength of that woman. We need to hold on to that or at least be more discriminating and not just say “Men do it, why can’t we?”. They can do iut because they have less to lose. That’s all I’m saying.

I Have a concern:

I know that we are all ADULTS on this website/Blog (or I at least hope everyone is)….

But, what would happen if YOUR daughter was to read some of the viewpoints here ????

I’m not saying don’t express you yourself….
Always be honest & true
**we really don’t know who you REALLY are, so it’s cool

I’m just saying…
.
Fate and/or Karma is a pretty funny thing….

The attitude & feelings that some of you are expressing may ONE DAY show up in your children.

I’m just saying…

THINK about your actions. Would you want your Son or Daughter to be involved in some of the activities you are currently involved in?

Peace

Gone head ms_mac1

so are we to assume that any women that doesn’t wait a year to have sex is lame or a ho/slut?
let’s be realistic, she made her man wait a year for sex…..but she is also the same person that for over 2yrs said that he wasn’t her man!!!!!!!!
come on…….i live her music but i would never fault a woman for doing it the 1st day or not doing it until 3yrs, it depends on the situation……
i also don’t believe her man is SUPERMAN b/c he waited a year, come on, he produces her, he knew 1st hand what type of star she was gonna be and he wanted to stay along for the ride…….
that’s like asking someone would they wait 2yrs before having sex with oprah…………DUH, HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!

LMMFAO @ CAFF…U 2 MUCH PAPI…

I LOOOOOVE UR NAME @ # 118

$156 i respect your comment but not all women attach feelings to sex believe it or not
i know I KNOW the difference

correct me if im wrong but you are relating your comments to holding out to see if he is worth it as a good man AKA future husband

thats fine is life worked that way but it dont hun
i know many girlfriends who waited, or never cheated etc…
and their husbands are BUMS
now what?

PS, I’m not saying men aren’t divine either so please don’t come at me with 100 posts about me hating men. I’m just biased because I’m a woman (and a fabulous one at that) and I feel very strongly about a woman’s worth - which BTW is an excellent Alicia Keys song. Men are truly worthy and there’s nothing like a beautiful black brotha who has his shit together!

Sex should be between a man and a woman when they are MARRIED so I don’t know how much of a role model she really is.

I used to respect Alicia for keeping her shit private but she went on some Janet shit with this one. Don’t nobody want to know when she gave her goodies to Krucial.

im mad yall callin A.Keys Bi. she dont roll lik dat. atleast i hope not lol. but she is good for lettin him wait. i think that us young females need to do what she did. she is a good rolemodel .

CoSign Post # 162

Preach Ms_Mac1 !!

Your on Point today, Lady !

KVJAY…exactly! You know our world is twisted when we give role model status to a chick just cus she made her nigga wait a year before having pre-marital sex.

Ms_Mac1… I have just one thing to say to you…
Will You Marry Me
I really enjoyed your last two comments, they are definite words to live by for ALL our beautiful black women (Much Love and Respect Here!!!)

@ NIX
WE ARE ALSO BORN WITH INTIUTION AND IF YOU END UP WITHA BUM THAT’S YOUR DUMB AS FAULT.

Yeah you can try and separate feelings but if you studied psychology and human sexuality you’d know a little bit more about what I am talking about.
Having SEX is more than a penis in a vagina…
Do you know what’s released out of your body when you have an orgasm… I suggest if you don’t know study human sexuality and get back at me.

It’s inevitable to think that you won’t eventually catch feelings bEFORE a man does.

To me that’s what sex is about, not just to be screwing… that’s what men do.
you have sex because you have feelings for someone. Not before that.

^ALL KINDS OF ERRORS

He only waited that long, because she has money BIG time money. Had it be a normal girl and if the guy had common sense he would have been out 11 months ago!

Post # 161, Mr. O.
Grace & Peace, My Brother
It’s OKAY that YOU don’t agree with me…
Just keep it moving!!!!
It’s ALL good, and I respect YOUR opinion, although we have a difference of opinion.

Peace.

Post # 162, Ms_Mac1

You are ABSOLUTLY right.
Man NEEDS woman.
Man is INCOMPLETE without a woman.
A man even needs a woman to fulfill his destiny in God !

I don’t want to get off topic, and start preaching, and quoting scripture.

I just need to say Ms_Mac1 that your (Post # 162) was ENTIRELY CORRECT!!

Peace

Nix, no, I’m not talking about holding out for a specified period of time - at least not for the adults. So let me clarify again.

Alicia’s message is great for the youth because there are waaaayyy too many fast ass little boys and girls out there nowadays. As bill stated, what would we want our kids to think about sex? If we made mistakes when we were younger by having too much sex too early, and not reaping any benefits other than a quick nut that you’ve probably forgotten already, what was the point?

So, if I’m talking to a teen or pre-teen, I say wait until YOU feel absolutely sure about this guy/girl. Look at their actions. Are they the school jump-off? Do they have a reputation? If so, think. Just think. Think about all the thinkgs that can happen to you if you get with this person. No time limits. Just think.

Now, as for the adults, you can sleep with someone on the first night and have a 40-year relationship. You can also make them wait like Alicia and have you ass kicked to the curb the following week. That’s not my point. My point is that women should think also. Think about what you’re getting out of giving your body to this person.

If you like sex just to have sex, good on ya cause everybody ain’t able. I’m not mad at that but you are a rarity.

I like screwing as much as the next one but every person isn’t worthy of what I have to offer. They’re just not. My shit is too good to be handing out like a free sample at the supermarket. They have to earn it. And I don’t mean pay for it. I mean EARN it!

I don’t know how better to put it.

@Something Fierce and Bill - Wow, I finally have a good day on CL! ;0) Can’t beleive it. Thanks for the compliments.

**Must go back into hiding now before my streak comes to an end** LMAO.

@ Ne’ - we’re on the same page sista.

@ BILL why do you feel the need to preach to everyone? People come on here and give their opinion, you are giving your opinion that doesnt mean that what you say is right, it may be right for you but not necessarily for everyone else.

Boogalo..I DON’T feel the need to preach to everyone.
If I offended you, then I apologize to you

Peace

This is funny ’cause y’all goin on & on and this dude ain’t even her man!

no problem

@ Bill/#60

I am not the holiest person in the world but I have accepted Christ as savior. Do I act like it %100 of the time? No. But the Lord is still working on me as He is with all of us. With that being said, of course I completely agree with the no sex before marriage thing. Do I live by it? I try.

What concerns me about your post is how you are going on and on about WOMEN fornicating and this and that when we both know that God called all of us MEN & women alike to save ourselves for marriage. Regardless of one’s reason for having sex (pure pleasure, intimacy, or as a way to express your love) it’s still a sin. So for you to sit up and talk about “You don’t understand women anymore” is a very sexist comment to me. You have admitted that you had premarital sex (not with your wife, but beforehand) so what is it not to understand??? A woman’s reason for having premarital sex may have been different from yours but it is still sex.

Secondly, stop telling women that a man will never marry you if you have sex with him. I mean I get your point that people should wait but presenting your opinion as if it’s a fact may turn off the very people you are trying to reach. We all know people who have had sex before marriage, some are happy, some are not, some are still married, some are not.

I’m just asking that you be realistic in what you are saying because you really do have a good message. But you need to keep in mind that everyone is not saved, so you cannot expect them to act like it, especially when those of us who are still struggle. Yes in a perfect world, you wait until marriage, but the only perfect world that I am aware of is heaven and ain’t none of us there yet. So keep telling people the truth but at the same time you need to be realistic and empathetic because you were not always married.

Actually your post reminds me of a person who will not talk to their daughter about pregnancy & contraceptives because you are trying to make sure she waits for marriage. What a foolish mistake that would be. People are going to do what they want but the least you can do is make an informed and smart decision. They only have to answer to God in the end.

Yes in God’s eyes sin is sin, but you don’t have to be a whore about it if you make the choice to have sex. So in saying that, I applaud Miss Keyes. She never claimed to be a Christian so you can’t hold her to the same standards. But in terms of common sense I think that it is a good idea to realize that your body is valuable and not just to be shared with anyone. If 1 year is her idea of that versus another person’s 6 months then so be it. I have no idea what her religious beliefs are (though I’ve heard rumors of 5% nation) but as a grown woman who has been very sexually active in the past (not a whore, but I did my thang) she has encouraged me in my quest to remain as celibate as possible—though our motivations may be different.

@ MS_MAC1

Feel me? I am not a supermarket sample!
I agree with everything you wrote 100%.

That’s cool if Alicia was getting to know the brother and not using Sex as a weapon like most chicks try to do. I dated a Church girl and had more fun WAITING for intercourse because we did EVERYTHING except have intercourse. (Oral, kissing, licking ect) When we finally did have intercourse, it was kind of a let-down because all the other intimate stuff stopped, so we went back to putting intercourse on the backburner!!

Ms_Mac1

I find you to always be on point.

Even the times that you “went off” on me, some of your comments were warranted….

I man enough to admit, that I was wrong, and YOU were right !!

***This is between Ms_Mac1 & me..She knows what I’m talking about.

Hopefully, you will see a CHANGE in my attitude, Ms_Mac1

I don’t ever want to turn people off from seeking Jesus Christ as their personal saviour because of MY COMMENTS or ViewPoints.

It’s NOT about Me,
It’s ALL about HIM !

Thank-You Ms_Mac for straightning me out on THAT PARTICULAR DAY !
I tend to listen when a Black Women Speaks !!!
Peace

#147 & #148 Lovin, Ne’

How is it perverted when I used Decysive’s own words? Go back and read what Decysive wrote! She’s the one talking about getting it and speading the legs so the wind could blow in that direction! hehe! I didn’t make up that $#!T! Decysive did! I just rewrote her words!

Ne’, you know how I like it, Boo! And, if Decysive is old enough to log onto CL to talk about Alicia, Remy and Eva, then she’s old enough and smart enough to keep her virginity and spreaded legs off the topic! She can’t be too young talking about the wind blowing up someones choochie! That’s a new one on me! hehe!

She brought it all up! I have no idea how old she is, but I tried to fulfill her fantacy, because I think she’s older than 19! Now, will y’all please get off my dyck, so Decysive can get back on it! There’s no damage that I can do to her that CL hasn’t already done! In case you haven’t noticed STEPH #146, this is some “grown-up” $#!T!

And yes, Ne’ baby, I always need a little from you! hehe!

Hey #132, I understand that, but it’s not likely that a man would marry you just to get the goodies, unless he’s real sick. Coochie is available everywhere now, and I don’t know if anyones is that fiyah, that somebody would be legally tied just to get it. See your point though.

x.romantique.x

Post # 186

Cmeez. I’ll have to pray about that one, But I WILL consider your post.

Sometimes, in an effort to be TRANSPARENT and reveal my flaws (yes, I have had Premarital Sex, and Yes, I do sin on a daily constant basis), we can lose the reader/listener, despite the message.

Please don’t focus on me, if YOU are seeking Christ!

I will let you down every time.
I’m a human being,
I have flaws and frailties.
I make LOTS of mistakes.
It is MY hope, that through my mistake, I can reveal that their still IS hope.

That’s all I’m saying.
If I offended you, then I apologize

Peace

Ne’

Please put your other avatar back up before someone accuses me of hitting on that baby! BTW, very cute and I am willing to adopt!

I miss your smile!

Ne… thank you so much for your psych 101 lesson and the definition of sex i was completely unaware that it involved more than a penis in a (gasp) vagina
OMG who knew….

ms mac
i completely respect your opinion
and obviously i did not mean to just give it up to any and every guy
come on now thats not satisfying yourself sexually thats straight up desperation
be selective and know why your doing what your doing but a woman should not be labeled because she doesnt make a guy wait…

OMT - To everyone talking Bible and spiritual, Alicia didn’t say that her body was the temple of the Lord! She said that it was too “beautiful” to give it to someone who didn’t deserve it! That’s kinda vain!

Beauty is a physical thing not a spiritual one. In time a beautiful body becomes an old, rankle one! But, the right spirit will last forever!

The majority of these posts are written as if they are truisms, but people don’t realize its only simply your truth. People have no idea how relative life is when they accept that fact they will realize how beautiful being conscious is. I am applying that general statement to most essential wants in life. I will explain. What do the words good and bad actually mean in your world? Can anyone really say? If you view a person as a positive person that means you respect them and their choices. If they do the opposite does that mean someone’s objectively bad, or just bad by you? All one can do is instill a sense of pride, and discipline when necessary to your children and loved ones.
Indeed, this new awareness could change everything we thought we think about everything we think we like. In short if people realized that your beliefs whether positive or negative mainly affect you and only you can close your eyelids shit would go a lot smoother. As for who I am I introduced myself previously although I didn’t realize that it was a prerequisite.

Bill, I find it interesting that your avatar is of a Muslim, ex-pimp/hustler who advocated violence against “whitey”…yet your telling others how be a role model & to seek Jesus. I like your comments/love Malcom, just interesting….

That’s incredibly big of you and I can’t believe you still remember that small exchange we had that day!

I love it when someone can admit that they don’t know everything. That’s so grown and sexy. It shows that you’re all about growth and maturity and not about being right all the time. And you’re wise because you know WHEN to listen to a black woman. We women don’t always know the right things to say but some of us know when we’re saying the right things.

One

Bill’s having a rough day. lol I wasn’t singling you out I found many of these posts odd.

Ms_Mac1,

So you think I’m grown & sexy, huh…

Can I email you sometime, so we can tell each other how much we admire each other ????

lol…

I Love you like a play cousin !!

How old is Kerry? Just curious…

Mr. O

this happens EVERYDAY on Concreteloop, somebody is ALWAYS going off on somebody else !
Me & my brother MEATLOAF get a lot of attention !

ZsaZsaBanks
I am a big fan of Malcomn X, DESPITE his religious beliefs and background.

You would be SHOCKED if I told you MY background…
Maybe that why I preach so hard, huh….

Things to think about…

Peace, Y’all,
I got to meet with my Boss, I hollar at you in 2 hours !
I’m sure that will give you plenty of time to tink of more of my faults !!!!

@ BILL
I appreciate you!

@ MEATLOAF
You are so charming…lol!

@ nix
Have a blessed day sweetie!

@195-I don’t think she’s being vein, all women should respect & believe your body is beautiful-from the inside out regardless of size, color etc. If you don’t believe it how can you expect anyone else to? I thinks that’s what she’s saying.

Ne -
you do the same

@ Mr. O. Nice to meet you. I really hear what you’re saying and I appreciate your POV. I also dog your flow and how you’re putting it.

You’re absolutely right. My truth is just that - MINE. So when someone questions it, I defend it. I would be less than a woman if I allowed myself to be swayed just because someone countered my beliefs. I think that’s really what’s going on here with everyone else that has formed a strong opinion. You will find that that happens A LOT on the Loop.

We are an extremely opinionated bunch so most of the time it’s not about trying to convert someone’s beliefs. It’s really about getting your point across. Most people want to stand out on this blog, and most people do because they say what they feel without apologies. Keep talking the way you are and you will stand too. And it’s good to have you on this blog because you’re coming from an adult perspective. We need more of that on here.

^I meant “dig” your flow.

Sorry, I forgot the number, but to the poster who made the comment about the honeymoon night not being that great, you have the whole marriage to make it perfect. If you’ve been having sex for 3/4 years, the honeymoon night is not gonna feel any different to the rest of them. As has been mentioned numerous times here already, sex is a lot more than ‘getting it’ it’s intended to cement a union, it’s spiritual.

x.romantique.x

#33 I’m wit’cha…..it really don’t matter how long you wait, he can stil end up dogging her out.

@ Bill,

Oh no honey no need to apologize you didn’t offend me because I’m not seeking Christ, I’ve already found Him. Im just seeking to live better for Him now, and I’m going to continue to seek that with or without your testimony! That post wasn’t necessarily for me but for others…

I wasn’t trying to put you on blast for having premarital sex. Sin happens. I just wanted to bring to your attention the attitude or tone that I was getting from your post. You just seemed to be so hard on people who committed the same sins that you have. Being humble and empathetic is also a part of being transparent. The truth is the truth, but never forget your own struggles and what God has delivered you from.

ms_mac1 and Ginger - PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#170 LMAO. You DO know that Janet is a grown ass woman, right? If you didnt want to know than dont read. I swear, folks act like someone made them go on to gossip blogs to read about other people’s lives. It comes with the territory.

and if the guy had common sense he would have been out 11 months ago!

If he had “common sense”? Are you serious with that bullshit? That is truly sad. So if you found out your papa waited awhile before he and your moms procreated (and out came you!) you’d insult him?

I think its admirable. I have a news flash for people that thinks that coochie is a dime a dozen. SEX WILL NOT KEEP A MAN. AND IT NEVER DID. Even if you pulling tricks out of a brown paper bag and hangin from the ceiling…something deeper IMHO creates the truest intimacy that has little to do with a penis or vagina.

#204 ZSAZSABANKS

Yeah, the body is beautiful, but not enough to come on National CL bragging! I’ve seen her body and it ain’t all that! She got some treetrunk like a Sammy Sosa bat filled with cork! If she really respected her body that much, she would have saved the monkey until she was married! Enough people have said that! The beautiful body story is just a trumped up line because Alicia is probably athiest, but still wants to sound spiritual! Kinda like a gay person seeking equal rights!

So, she has one years worth of respect for her body? That’s Bull! She thinks she’s all that! And, to me, that’s vain!

OMT - Some bodies are not beautiful! Some are too big! Too pink! Too stretched! Too sunburned! Too old! Too flabby! Too used!

So, if you want some else to believe that your ulgy body is beautiful, turn off the lights and get undressed under the sheets! hehe! You know some of y’all be doing that stuff! But hey, I ain’t mad at you!

She finally got some dyck and now she don’t know how to act! Just get somewhere and shut up!

I don’t see nothing wrong with that! Ish if he loves her that much it should be nothing.

@211 Worrior Princes, I been looking all over CL for you!

I’m still waiting for an apology from yesterday on the Tyra Banks, “Shake Your Body” topic!

**sits with arms folded while tapping feet**

#33 IS ON POINT!!! Y’ALL BETTER LISTSEN TO HIM!!! If you wanna talk true role model then don’t give her dap because she waited a year. Hell if she waited that long…marry the bruh and make it exclusive!!! A young couple pledging to commit to each other Saving sex for the marriage bed is impressive and THAT is worthy of some dap. She would be real role model then!! Otherwise, if you gonna be a freak be a freak!!! Fornicate then fornicate with a clear conscience… but don’t gimme non of that s**t about beautiful bodies and respect cuz you waited a year! Let’s be real about it y’all….

What Ms. Keys did was a very noble thing, to do… But why put a time limit on it… For all she knows he coulda put on a front the whole time… Hell they still not married are they??? So it was still wrong in the first place. But whatever makes her happy!! She still fine though!

Gmoney

@ Bill - you are such a little freak. ;0)
Luv you like a step-cousin too boo.

thanks honey (ms_Mac1) !!

I need some love right about now..Mr. O is trying to beef with me.

lol.jkd

I’m going have to call on Backup…

Meatloaf, Caff, Judah, I need your help brothers !!!

Thanks

I do my best to practice rationality. I don’t want to stand out though well not much. I don’t like to specualate about how things should be, I want to talk about what is and how to be safe about it.

Bullshit. He was smashing something. and so was she. I respect the wait but they lying.

They can bring it. lol

#218 Ms_Mac1

Ah hell yeah, bill is the biggest freak on the loop! Who do you think I learn all my bad habits from…? Mr.bill

I been trying to tell everyone that I’m the good twin! bill is my evil twin brother! hehe!

Tell me more about him, Ms_Mac!

# 151:

Actually I, unlike many churchgoers, HAVE read the Bible, and CRITICALLY at that. If you don’t know what that means, it means that, when I read it, I didn’t read it looking for a certain message. I read it objectively, and found there to be a pervasive message of uncontradicted mysogyny. Maybe you should try reading it, without someone standing over your shoulder telling you how to feel.

# 162:

Much respect! Actually, you shored up my ultimate point, which is that it all depends on how one considers his/her sexuality. So you go head, with yo divine self!

thats good for her, but y does she need to be tellin everyone????? that should be kept between the two of them, im disappioted i thoigh alicia was better than that, tellin the whole world about her sex life, i still love her though

Gmoney,

You don’t have to sign your name…we know its you!

I applaud Alicia for making him wait for her. However, ol boy may have been gettin’ it from someone else during that year. I don’t know too many dudes who will go without it for a whole year!!

@Meatloaf - Bill likes to be spanked HARD - and dominated too. But not too much cause then he’ll start feeling like the “bitch” and we know he ain’t havin’ that! Ain’t that right Bill? ;0).

Hey, I just want to tell you and Bill that ya’ll was wrong for running that one chick off this site. You know, remember the one that was comparing herself to Janet and had the link to her Myspace page and she had that big ass picture on the main page? I can’t remember her name but man, I laughed so hard that day people was coming to my office to find out what the hell was really going on. Ya’ll are BAD. Bill, stop encouraging Meatloaf. Please. Ya’ll gonna get me fired.

LOL!

@ Ginger - Whew, that was a good ass debate. Glad we could reach a civil end. ‘Preciate ya!

Damn! A whole year? I thought I was doing something by making cats wait 30 days! O Hell naw, I guess I have to step it up. From now on they have to wait 35 days!!!

just because she waited for actual sex doesn’t mean the girl and her boo wasn’t being satisfied…
But we really didn’t need to know that….what happens in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom.

Ms_MAC1
her name is ASENTHIA See post #27, and I don’t know what your talking about….

I think Asenthia Body is Banging !!
She should enter a beauty Contest.

She has me all hot & bothered now…

Between you teasing me (I would like to spank you bear bottom), and looking @ Asenthia’s Photo’s I need to go and sprinkle holy water on te lower regions…

lol..jkd
Watch SOMEONE say “How can you be a CHRISTIAN when your talking Dirty to Ms_Mac1 & Asentha ??

Well….We ALL need Prayer,
Singing “Looking for a Sanctified Lady” by Marvi Gaye !

im actually surprise cuz thats not very young, and IT IS ALICIA KEYS!. SHOOT, Ciara is waiting until Marriage!!!!!!! Damn, wut is up w/ these females.

I meant to say,see post #227 for Asentha !.

She’s a Dime Piece !

I MEAN THATS NOT VERY LONG

#224 Ginger,

I challenge you to show me one example of “uncontradicted mysogyny” in the New Testament Books! We’re no longer under the old mosaic laws, so why do you bring up the old ways when Christ has given us new life? Are you trying to be devious?

I rebuke you, satin!

@ bill r u serious r we lookin at the same person ???? ASENTHA a dime piece???? i reallt dont think where lookin at the same person

@ 233

You sure? I thought she let Lil Bow Wow get it….

Alicia really opened up the dialogue on premarital sex huh?

There are some really mature and interesting comments up here worth reading.

Post # 237

See..There YOU go.

I said she’s a DIME PIECE, and her Body is Banging.

I stand by my words !

Yo bout to get a brother jacked up. You see her muscles ???? (Asenthia, Post # 227)

Y’all to crazy for me..
I ain’t fooling with y’all…

Asentha, put your avatar back up girl! Why did you take it down in the first place?

Much respect to you Alicia…more women (young and old) need to take up that concept about themselves….I talk to my daughter and nieces all the time because I didn’t have that kind of guidance when I was growing up…(yall know, a good talking to about men and their game) As women, we’ve been through it and live it everyday you’d think we’d be more willing to discuss these type truths to our girls now days…..You can tell a teenage girl not to have sex until she’s married, til you’re blue in the face but that’s not going convince her to do so without really good, valid reasons why…or at least until the she’s sure of what that man’s intentions are. Always good to hear how young women are preserving their innoncense….bout time!!

Yeah Mezzo.Soprano
It good to talk about something interesting and significant to all our lives

* Is it a good ideal to give up the panties BEFORE marrige - NO !!!!

Your Username is so interseting to me.
I read music, play piano & organ as well as direct my choir.
If you are a Mezzo.Soprano, I need you in My Choir !!

@ bill, OK, I stand corrected. It wasn’t you that had me laughing. It was someone else. I think I’m confusing my posts. Don’t mind me.

Anyway, I’m exiting the loop now but I want to say thank you all for a wonderfully refreshing, mature debate.

Let’s do it again real soon.

@46, its good to know that there are men like you…..i’m being sarcastic.

Ms_Mac1

Yep, you were WRONG on this topic.

But..That’s okay, I still love you.

See How we’re being Grown & Mature with each other..It’s all so SEXY.

Lol….love you like a play cousin, lady !

bill & Ms_Mac,

Y’all made my day with that one! I almost missed out on the fun messing with Ginger’s azz!

Ginger’s like the slave that was set free, but stayed on with Massah Bush, because she didn’t know what freedom meant!

Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, I’m free at last! To that song, Ginger said, “but what do I do now that I’m free? Where will I go? Who will feed me? This world is so cruel to women! The Bible is not our friend! God hates us girls!”

Get over that mess, Ginger! Right now! Why should you be bound? When God has set you free! You and Alicia need to quit it!

Does anyone know if Alicia professes to be Christian? If not, she’s like an empty vessel trying to prove her worth! Just another annual hoe!

#241. I never had an avatar posted. I have a link to my page. Secondly, I didn’t let anyone run me off this site. Haters don’t pay my bills. Futhermore, Black folk will always talk junk about anyone they can. People talked about Jesus, too, so **whatever** in regards to the haters.

#243 bill

Choir Director?…ah hell naw! I’m coming to that church! Must be the “Church of What’s Happening Now”! Are you also a Manager on your job, if so, I might know you! There’s a bill in every town! Every town has a bill chior director! Got 75 women in the choir and 6 men! Keeps them all laughing and coming back for rehersal!

i cosign with #69..my words exactly

@ ms_mac1

Asenta is a nice looking ? …um lady!

Meatloaf:

My whole thing about marriage is this: Too many people see it as a justification, or something that has to be done. “We have to get married before we have sex” or “We have to get married now because you’re knocked up.” In other words: too many people are getting married IN ORDER to do something, or because they have to. Not too many people are getting married these days because they have a genuine love for their significant other and really want to make that committment. Sure people can get married without being in love, but I gaurantee you that that idea can partially explain our 62% divorce rate in this country. Some people don’t want to “just” be married. Some people actually want to be “happily married”. There’s a difference.

Marriage isn’t that holy thing that it used to be (probably never was). Nowadays too many people enter into that committment without thinking it through, and without being genuine about it, thinking that marriage will solve their problems. Marriage doesn’t solve all problems, or the divorce rates wouldn’t be so high.

asentha
Are you a personal trainer?

Amen #252!

SHIT!!!!!!! I WOULD OF GAVE MY RIGHT HAND THE BLUES OVER A YEARS TIME. HE A BETTER MAN THEN ME THAT FINE ASS THING WALKING THROUGH THE HOUSE WITH SOME BOY SHORTS, G STING OR THONG. THAT WOULD OF GAVE ME SOME SERIOUS MENTAL DAMAGE. I RESPECT HER FOR THAT THOUGH. ALL THE SHIT SOME OF THESE NASTY ASS HOES HAVE SLEEPING WITH ANY DUDE. SO YOU NEVER KNOW. NOT ALL WOMEN ARE NASTY HOE EITHER, JUST THE ONES IT PRETAINS TOO

Meatoaf,

My choir rehearsal run every Friday night from 11:00 pm to 2:00 am

The late hour keeps everyone out of trouble !

We (my choir) are all X’s…I’m a X this, she’s a X that.
you know what I mean (remember we were talking about your brother one day..)
** That’s why I’m Such a Big Fan of Malcomn X….
Malcomn was a X, but he didn’t let how his life STARTED, determine his FINISH. Malcomn X has been dead for 30 years, but we are STILL talking about him and quoting him…know what I mean….

Anyways, I keep them (my choir) singing till they get tired, then we go to an all night diner afterward.

Laughter is good for the soul.
I try to keep my choir in stiches.
They spend a LOT of time laughing at me
Peace

@Bill- choir director, huh? LOL!!!!

Oh please she is such a lesbian…not that there is anything wrong with that but dont be trying to go all “I have a boyfriend now, and I dress all girly with my hair out”….After her first album where she looked a little manly with the hand gestures and what not, her label is trying to cover up the fact that she is a lesbian or at least bi…But I already know and believe me I have facts….

this is why i LOVE concreteloop. ya’ll make me learn something new everyday! =]

i’ll just say i completely agree with msmac_1 and ne. you two are some very intelligent ladies.

Post #257 Asenthia,

See..There YOu Go !
no homo !

lol…
Like my brother Meatloaf said, My Pastor was complaining because I have WAY to many women in my choir, and not enough men….

Just thought I let you know
lol..

Wow! A lot of ladies on here are doing some serious hating! And some of the men are tripping! What’s wrong with a woman respecting her body enough to wait until she feels that she truly knows and trusts the man she’s with before having sex? Some people are saying a couple a weeks is the longest they would wait for sex, but that’s crazy! You don’t even know a person in 2 or 3 weeks! This is why the world is filled with AIDS now! But I won’t even get started on that, I’ll just sum it up by saying there is nothing wrong with respecting your body. Some people are too willing and ready to have sex, you don’t even know these people, who’ve they’ve been with or what they’ve got, that’s just nasty & triflin’, period. I have way too much respect for myself than to go out like that.

@ #258

facts huh? lets hear them…

No, Bill I wasn’t trying to imply or question anything about your sexuality.
So do where do you direct your choir? At The First Baptist Tabernacle of Greater Faith Second Penecostal Holiness Church of Later Day Saints Independent House of Chicken and Prayer?

oh, and cosign with pittboi #252. very well said.

i just have to add this: though it is commendable for a young lady to wait for sex after marriage, it is not reality. it is scarce to find a virgin in college, and we all know that is true. i feel that a lot of religious parents do not understand that their teenage child may be involved in pre-marital sex and therefore they refuse to teach their offspring the importance of condoms, getting tested for HIV and other STDs, and other contraceptives.

Just like you put a seatbelt in a car to protect yourself in case of an accident, a young person should be taught the importance of protecting his or herself, if they do choose to engage in pre-marital sex. and NO, it is not encouraging them to have sex, it is called EDUCATION.

I think it is a great idea to know someone in depth before laying down with them. There are so many diseases and weird folks running around nowadays. All these entertainers and video o’s giving our little precious girls bad impressions!

It seems women don respect their bodies anymore. I am so glad I get to know people first. I have noticed that by learning more about people you are either attracted or now unattracted to them.

You all talking about a couple of weeks are TRIFLING..There are diseases and murderes around. You are truly TRIFE. Learn to respect your body

I am glad Alicia wanted to ensure this man wanted her for her and not just to say hes hitting Alicia.

A year is a while tho

Wow>> the comments on this post trip me out!!!

#121 - Keep yo crazy pholosophy to your self noone cares for your uneducated opinion. And here is a tip>>

1)Pick the bible up
2)Read it!!! Dummy

Then maybe you can talk!!

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#152 WTF!!!!

Man it just goes to show how jacked up our world is.
Bottom line God create us and I know yall dont want the truth but you gonna get it, He created us so He knew/know what plans He has for us. NO SEX TIL MARRIAGE PERIOD THERE IS NO GRAY!!!!GET IT THRU YOUR SKULLS WHILE YOUR SITTIN ON THIS BOARD REASONIN WIT YO SELVES!!!WE DIDNT MAKE OUR SELVES SO WE CANT LIVE BY OUR OWN STANDARDS ONLY GOD’S AND HE CLEARLY STATES NO SEX UNLESS YOU ARE MARRIED!

Let me calm down!!!

Oh yeah this is for all my fellow females.. Stop layin up sleepin with these men. Gettin knocked up and what have you my goodness have some sort of respect for yourselves!

I swear if I was God I would have destroyed Mankind a long time ago!!!

Im out this joint!!!

#252 pittbboi,

You preaching to the chior! Leave that to bill! He’s better at it cause he can actually sing! They listen!

All your talk and “made-up” statistics don’t prove a thing! I think pregnancy is a good reason to get married! She’s good enough for you to lie down with her…she’s good enough to marry! You got past all the drama to find her spot! Now, move past the drama and marry yo babies mamma!

I don’t know of anyone who got married to solve their problems! Listen now, cause Imma make it real plain!
Virgins and children under 18 should probably not read this:

Pussy is pussy! Its not sacred and once the cherry is popped, its popped for all eternity! Humans, especially Catholics, have a big hang-up on the virgin Mary! And, rightfully so! She was the symbol for women to go by! Joseph kept his hands off of Mary until they were married. He didn’t finger her or lick her! He probably rarely held her hand! Now, that’s the ultimate standard!

Here in America, we have Afro-Euro influences in our relationships! Our African culture is about screwing many partners and the Europeans taught us how to marry and divorce without regards! God hates both acts, along with homosexuality! I’ll get back to the homo discussion later!

Alicia is a hoe! She is a professed hoe! She is a annual hoe! She is not the standard for women. Mary is! Mary was not a hoe! She was a virtuious woman! Joseph didn’t need to test her pussy before he got it, because, pussy was and continues to be…just that. Pussy! Let me interject here…Kerry is a hoe too! Thank you very much, Ginger!

Her reasons for waiting and going public are not spiritual! God is not involved in her decisions! Now, children can read from here on: Love is something that God wants men to show to their wives. He never said, “Love Your Girlfriend”! He said, “Men aught to Love their wives as he loves the Church”! Caring and nurturing her!

God said, if you can’t keep your hands off your girlfriend, then you ought to marry her and not burn! Marrying someone you love was never an issue! Women might have made up that philosophy to seal the deal!

Don’t forget the foolish and wise virgins! All the wise virgins had was oil in their lamps when the bridegroom cometh! hehe! No love! No premarital sex! No ring! No annual holdout! And, not even a guarntee for committment!

Why am I wasting my time with you pittbboi? You don’t even like women! Why would a man who despises women and the family even care about marriage! A man who sleeps with other men! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame the devil and he will flee! But, I don’t want you to flee like others have…just get right church and let’s go home!

OMT - Marriage is a Holy Institution! People’s holiness might have changed, but the institutions that God set up, will stand the test of time!

I agree 261. But that lets you know the kind of relationships people are having. Waiting isn’t like watching paint dry and setting your timer to it. I would think that its also about making sure you are compatibile and well suited. Sex too early complicates all that. Emotionally tying you to people who give you 3 dates to “unleash” the drawers.

Kerry could have easily got it from somebody else-and truth be told he probably did. But early one why would you really care? In three weeks-hell sometimes 3 months-what do you really have thats all that emotionally invested. True compatibility and well suitedness eventually trumps all that anyway.

SPEAK ON IT MIZZLIZZ!

Has anyone else been experiencing problems with this website today. I am trying to figure out if it is the website or my computer. But everytime I go to post a comment it freezes up on me.

#89…calling #89…yo ass is crazy and ya got damn right! I couldn’t have said it better!!! Like someone else said her ass better stay with that muthaf~ cause I’m goin clown her ass.

Okay, I self-correct! The pussy is sacred if used according to God’s will!

Yeah she made him wait ayear. She was’nt in a hurry to see a dick. She drinks for the furry bowl. OL girl gets more pussy than I do!

Meatloaf:

I’m not going to argue with you, and my being gay has absolutely zero to do with this topic or my opinion on said topic. I don’t hate women and I don’t hate family. Quite simply, grow up.

As I said, there’s a difference between being “married” and being “happily married”. Simply being married, which a lot of people do, are usually marriages formed for other reasons than love, and because the two people getting married honestly wanted to get married (i.e. woman gets knocked up, bla bla bla). These are the types of marriages that usually end in divorce, or lasts bitterly.

Being happily married, usually happens when two people who love each other genuinely decide to make the committment with no outside stimuli–they’re getting married because THEY want to, because they understand the committment being made and they love each other.

Now, of course, there are exceptions to every rule: happy marriages can end in divorce and convenience marriages do stand the test of time. At the end of the day, it depends all sorts of things.

Dunno about all this ‘waiting’. I have ALWAYS gotten a gay vibe from Alicia. And as a gay man… I think I know one when I sees one.

Post # 263 Asentha…Oh, you got jokes,huh…
You could get it, Asentha…If I wasn’t married,Lord have mercy on you

“When My Love goes BANG BANG BANG, you better run…Sweet Little Thing”

* Song by “Pop Waynas” - John Witherspoon

I like you Asentha..Your all right with me.

I see Meatloaf is too busy attacking Pitbull…

Meatloaf, ease up on that kid. You gonna have him committing suicide….
That’s probably how Socrates Died..

Post # 266 - BlackGyrl30.
I like your reasoning..Preach Sister

Peace

Meatloaf,
Post # 271.

God is going get you for that one !!!

call it a VAGINA.
Thank-You sir…..

lol..

@Pittbboi:

You are gay? You too cute to be gay! How old are you if you don’t mind me asking?

ROTFLMAO@#6! THAT WAS A GOOD ONE!

20 Caff youre a SLORE!

whats wonderful alicia!!! unless ur married o been w/ someone for many yrs then u dun need to be fukin them

LOL @ foxxy380

Um, yeah, I’m quite gay, but thanks for the compliment.

And I’m 20 years old.

Bill:
Thanks for your concern, but the day Meatloaf of all people even manages to anger me will be the day hell freezes over. Proverbs 19:11

Oh who gives a damn…..

Where did all these Christian Fundamentalist come from. Is there some direct link to the 700 club on here???

Pittbboi said: the day Meatloaf of all people even manages to anger me will be the day hell freezes over.
——————-
That’s the spirit. You know you can’t pay that nigga any attention. I said earlier that he was homophobic and people like that aren’t even worth your anger.

They been together for a long ass time. I think she started dating him as a teen and he is older than her. His ass ain’t wanna go to jail and become a prison bitch. But I think that it was a wonderful thing for her to put out there because young girls definately need to hear that. FOR REAL.

Thanks mizzlizz,
A question I want to be answered for me is what makes you so attracted to he same sex, to the point where you want a relationship???????
I loves me a man and thank God we are not all women!

^^^

I agree. Pittboi shake it off. These conversations should be about balance. Not creative interpretations on how Joseph never held Mary’s hand. I haven’t heard anything compelling from any of the hell-fire-damnation representatives on how to build relationships save for close your legs. I can respect a position on no premaritial sex–hell I’ll even buy don’t hold hands- but what the fyk are these people doing to build relationships ? nurture intimacy outside of sex ? how are their’s so successful? where are the examples? except for the fear based stuff.

agreement was to 284

Pitbull

Meatloaf really doesn’t mean any harm….

It’s just DIFFICULT for a MAN to imagine two men being intimate….

Just like you could never imagine yourself being with a woman…

Sometimes Us Heterosexuals can be real ignorant, and cruel…

If I ever offended you, I offer my sincere apologies.

Your a Human Being like everyone else.

Hold Your Head up Man,
It’s going to be all right

Peace.

Bill:

That actually means something coming from you. Thanks. That’s all most gay people really want, anyway, for people to realize we’re human just like everyone else. Not evil, child-molesting monsters.

Post #286

Ne, You’re so fine..

Anyways, I’ve been asking myself that for YEARS.
Why a man would sleep with another man.
& and why a women would sleep with another women.

I really don’t have an answer for you…

What’s even more confusing to me (working in the church, with several successful choirs), is the amount of Homosexual Activity in the church.

I could name names, but I ain’t about that.
You would be shocked & surprised, if I started to tell you who was gay and had successful music ministries, And God has blessed & anointed these music ministries…

God gives his gifts without repentance.
God can & will bless ANYONE with a sincere heart.

Do Homosexual has a place in Heaven
I don’t know…

Is it possible be “Born That Way”
I don’t know.

All I can do is live MY Life, and try to be an example for Christ.

I ask my self often, What Would Jesus Do ?
WWJD

Jesus would love the Homosexual & Lesbian Community.
He would tell them “You are healed, Sin no more”

Homosexuality is a condemnation to the eyes of God.
But what about the individual. God MADE that individual.
Are they not worthy of the Love & respect of their brother & sisters ?
When we condemn them openly (e.g. without the love of Christ, but with our fear, and I dare say hatred of homosexual), what signal are we sending out ?

I Know I have a Lot to repent for.
I’m not going to lose my soul’s salvation, because Homosexuals make me uncomfortable….
BUT, at the same time, I believe the bible, and everything that it says is true.

All I can say, is I have a LOT of questions for God, when I finally se him face to face.
I Hope I make it to the finish line…

Will you ?

Peace

Why is everybody acting like what she did was so righteous? God says to wait till MARRIAGE before sex but all yall worldly people thinks she is a role model for waiting one year before fornication. Man, alot of yall gonna be looking straight hurt when Gods day comes. You live independent from God he’s gonna live independent from you. You’ll lose.

cute layout. i just now realized it.

anyways go alicia keys i had my babe wait 2 years.

Im_Not_Her

Well, its either Christian fundamentals or Alicia’s annual hold-out method! That’s the argument! I tried to spell it out to pittbboi, because he seems to want a marriage to always end in romantic, happy blist! Waiting a year to have sex ain’t the answer, but restraint is a start!

God created the institution of marriage, not Alicia and not pittbboi! When he created it, he promise to bless it as he does with everything Holy! Don’t hate the institution…hate the Creator!

bill, I know I got carried away with the “P” word! I repent of my fondness for that expression! I’m hoping that pittbboi will get fond of it too, before hell freezes his useless dyck…ops, I mean penis off!

Talking about P as a child, made me love it even more. I think pittbboi has been traumatized by the P or the D and I’m trying to get him to open up and deal with his fears! hehe!

I now know that he’s afraid of marriage because married people are not always happy and they often end up in divorce. That’s not God’s fault! Most single people aren’t happy either! Especially the lonely ones! And, they break up all the time! So, who’s worst for the wear? Forget love, forget happiness, forget the year hold out! If you’re gonna have sex…get married first! That’s the standard!

Im_Not_Her, you are probably athiest and I think Alicia is too! So, There’s not much I can tell you about spiritual matters, because you just wouldn’t understand!

pittbboi on the other hand, has read a lot of Bible, but he has choosen to void his understanding by living outside of the truth! He has to fashion together all these “what ifs and who’s happy?…just to find company! You know, misery does love company!

pittbboi won’t get angry, but I will! I don’t think he’s capable of getting angry, because he’s lost all self respect! I can’t anger him, so I’m reminding him how attractive Adam was to Eve!

I mean, its not like Kerry was gonna leave Alicia! Isn’t he a nobody like Terry, Star and Oprah’s pimps? Pimps don’t leave and they sure don’t need “P” to stay around the money! I’m trying to behave bill!

#291

God does not condone homosexuality.
Remember he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
Just because you have fags in your church doesn’t mean that God put them there or that he approves of them. All it means is that your church tolerates them.

I have a question for those that condemn homosexuality but are OK with premarital sex. Which is worse? And if you’re into the bible and your a christian, isn’t a sin a sin? Yall are hard as hell on pittboi and he seems like such a nice respectable young man. What did he ever do to you?

Geez Meatloaf

I’m sorry, but why are you ALWAYS on my jock? It’s more funny than anything else, because you never say anything of merit. Ever. I was never traumatized. I’m not lonely. Girls don’t scare me. I don’t live according to what-ifs. I believe in God. I was never abused. I’m perfectly happy with myself. And I’m gay! deal with it.

This was originally a conversation about Alicia Keys and what she does with her punani. And yet, every time you open your mouf (not mouth, MOUF), you talking about me. What I got to do with this? Damn man, I’m not angry, but get a life.

Thanks Bill!

@PITTBOI
Its all about you and GOD, US HETEROSEXUALS may not understand the life you liVe and we can’t judge you based on what WE believe in. If you are happy with what you’re doing then more power to you.
Everyone deserves to be happy.

Being a HOMOSEXUAL is extreme to me, and so is premarital sex, murder and lying… some of us are all guilty of sin somehow…What I’m saying is, what you’re doing is no sin bigger then the next.
My point is live your life young man but you have to follow your heart and God is in my HEART.

I am slowly taking steps to be the woman God PUT ME ON THIS EARTH TO BE!

#236

I’ve dealt with you enough times to know that you’re unbalanced. So I really can’t be bothered.

BUT, what the hell, I’m in an indulgent mood.

Next time, try reading for COMPREHENSION, because you’ve made it very clear that you don’t “get it”. Or is it simply that a woman who is smarter than you (and there are plenty) makes you nervous? Anyway, I said “the Bible” which, as far as I’m aware, consists of the Old AND New Testaments.

Nevertheless, I can rise to your challenge, and very easily at that. The fact that none of the 12 Apostles were FEMALE is an one example of misogyny in the New Testament.

What did you say? Oh, nothing? Thought so.

#266

Are you sure you want to make this so easy for me?

First of all, if you’re going to call someone “uneducated”, perhaps learning to spell is in order. Last time I checked, it was “philosophy”.

Secondly, there are a few people in here who agree with me, so apparently some people do care about my “ignorant ass opinion”.

Third, what makes you think I’ve never read the Bible? Do you care to challenge one of my assertions? Go ahead (and use spellcheck this time).

Loaf

Let me get this straight. I’m athiest because I’m tolerant ? My God is just, swift, and COMPASSIONATE. I gain nothing by being homophobic. It doesn’t serve. It doesn’t send peace. It pertuates a cycle of the same. The irony comes when heterosexual men ring the homophobic alarm-I find that quite revealing, but thats another blog altogether.

I can respect the idea of no pre-marital sex. By the way, are you practicing it ?

What I can’t really get with is the same intolerant approach to relationship building. Pittboi had a valid point. People get married to satisfy situations, to appease people, to “look rightous”, to make Jane Doe an honest woman, etc etc. Marriage is more to me than a duty. Its more to me than getting up and brushing your teeth. You make it sound clinical. And somewhere in the bible you’ve “gathered” that Joseph probably never held Mary’s hand. Thus taking all of the intimacy, the romance and realness, the sweetness, etc out of it.

You said everything about relationships from a biblical dutiful purpose. But spirituality also requires you take scripture and apply it to the building. Beside’s us belonging to the same church and quoting the same scriptures, what makes us compatible? Well Suited? If we wait until we get married, how will we become intimate in non-sexual ways ? They are valid questions…that hell fire and damnation don’t really address.

***looking for the Jerry Fallwell links***…where did these people come from???**** still looking…hummm maybe its some new cross promotional thing.

salvation to the blogs..

Dang, my bad, blackgyrl30, you probably don’t know what I meant by “assertions”.

I should probably use little words when addressing you. Ok, I meant, do you care to challenge any of the claims I made in my post?

Hmmm. . . maybe “challenge” is still too big of a word.

This is why I hate talking to children.

@NE’, sorry to be off topic but thats a cutie pie baby. Yours?
I noticed Lyfes name was mentioned and his album is out today. Pick up the Phoenix!!

As far as Alicia goes #6 said it best. LMAO!!

Thanks myshell!

He’s get it from his mama… lol

^ADD MINE

#290 pittbboi

That’s a lie! All most gay people want is to have irregular sex! Anal and Oral! If you really cared about what others think you wouldn’t put your families through all the drama! You only think about yourselfs. Just like Alicia only thinks about herself! Illicit sex between men!

…”I made him wait a year because my body is too beautiful to be violated by someone who doesn’t deserve it”!

WTF - So, its okay to be violated by someone who does deserve it! And, since when did having sex become a violation? I guess its a violation when someone decides to hoe it or hit it from the back…huh pittbboi? hehe!

#295 Misterdub,

You have spoken well! And, just like some churches tolerate them collectively, they want to be accepted indivisually! You don’t let crackheads sell crack in church or molesters, molest in church, so why would you tolerate a homo? I know they pay their tithes and some of the guys can hit the high notes, but damn! I’d rather be a poor church singing from hymnals than to knowingly tolerate misbehaving! As long as they stay in the closet, there’s nothing I can say or do! But, if you bold enough to proclaim it, I’m bold enough to preach Jesus!

It don’t matter how long you have to wait,just don’t show it or blow it.Most men no that.”KEEP YOUR COOL FELLAS”.

lol–so now my family is being dragged into this? Meatloaf, what amazes me the most is that you know absolutely nothing about me, and yet you take the fact that I’m gay and use it to assume all sorts of things about me, not caring if they’re true or not. You know nothing about my family. Stop talking about them.

lol–and now gay people are as bad as crackheads and molesters. Meatloaf, you really have my pity.

There are alot of ignorant people on this site and it shows with every blatant comment that is made about people they don’t even know. None of you know Alicia Keyes or any of the other people profiled on here. So get off your soapbox,high-horse or your mama’s couch and try to be a positive influence in your community. The only thing holding Black people down are ignorant,uneducated,jealous blacks who love putting down their brotha’s and sista’s every chance they get,get your own life and live it!CL keep up the good work,your site is Great,but can you do a better job of screening the commenters…..They are the only smudge on your pages……

Ginger,

“the 12 Apostles” You can’t feel slighted by them! Come on! They ate and slept together…not like that pittbboi! How could a woman follow Jesus at that time and why would she want to. Every move He made was to liberate women! He told the woman caught in adultry to “go and sin no more!” Like I said Ginger, you’ve been freed, but you don’t know how to be free! Not God’s fault! That’s on you!

bill,

I do mean harm to the idea of two men or two women! I will speak against it everytime! I want to destroy the thought and practice! How much more harmful can I get!

Im_Not_Her,

There’s something strange about you! You know how to talk out of both sides of your mouth! I never said you were athiest. I asked if you were and you still haven’t answered! Everyone else is being honest! Why are you being so coy? Why are you a sympathizer for people like pittbboi? I’m gonna find out, so you may as well speak up! Are you a lesbo?

And pittbboi, why are you letting everyone pity you! You actually seem to like the pity! That’s why I don’t give it to queers! Its not okay!

In all fairness #310, all comments (that relate to the topic) should be posted because it takes all kinds to make the world go ’round.

I think I’m pretty much done talking to you. And if you find my posts some-how anti Christ–then rock on.
I answered the question. And I also asked you some that remain to go unanswered. But I pretty much already know. You are pretty transparent. I think your focus on Pittboi is your own fascination with him.

I also find…. ” most gay people want is to have irregular sex! Anal and Oral! If you really cared about what others think you wouldn’t put your families through all the drama! You only think about yourselfs”…this to be very telling. Almost like you are supressing your own “irregular” sexual feelings.

Being gay is indulgent and selfish ? interesting.

The other point you breeze over nicely is what your personal relationships are like? if you are practicing no premarital sex? And how you are building intamacy without it ?

But you go back to duty and scripture…very very very telling. I’m glad I’m intuitive. Cause the picture comes together quite nicely.

You are read.

Love love love Alicia! Her positivity and talent should be acknowledged and modeled after! I look up to her! Go ‘Licia! Not her Goodies

#310 Kendall: Well said. I couldn’t agree more. Ignorant, uneducated, jealous black folks. Boy, did you call it then. We are our own worst enemy sometimes. I commend AK for holding out. If most women did that to make sure they have a decent guy, then the world would be less populated and there would be few baby daddys.

Meatloaf:

This is absolutely the last time I respond to any of your posts in any topic on this website. I absolutely refuse to turn this into another Patti Labelle post.

You’re not listening to me, you refuse to listen to me, and I refuse to listen to you. You do nothing but live to create conflicts based on lies and things you know absolutely nothing about. These debates go absolutely nowhere, and you have the maturity of middle-schooler. Every conversation you and I are in eventually turns into a debate about my sexuality, and I refuse to give into that anymore. I’m too comfortable with myself to even give you the slightest idea that you’re getting at me.

I’m going to end this by saying you need to search yourself, and the scripture that you’re “so” purporting, because as of now, you’re nothing but a mass of contradictions.

Find another homo to take your “frustrations” out on.

Peace

Meatloaf: Are you at Pittboi again ? And why ? Why do you like teasing him about his homosexuality ? I told you in a previous post that I thought you were probably gay also. Anybody that’s that obsessed with gay bashing as much as you probably has a little secret themselves.

Meatloaf, you right about im-not-her. That bitch is off. I don’t agree with everything you beleive but at least you keep it real. This chick is 2faced and won’t even admit it when she get caught out there. I hate a fakeass wannabe.

damn pittboi, i think someone has a crush on you!

This was some of the funniest shit I’ve read this week. Some of the folk’s comments are killing me! Meatloaf is a damn fool.

As far as Alicia’s concerned, she was quoted as saying: “I made him wait a year because my body is too beautiful to be violated by someone who doesn’t deserve it.”

She said she made HIM wait, she never said she was waiting for shit. Ole girl could have been fucking that somebody who had already “deserved her body”, she forgot to tell Sister 2 Sister that. Seriously though, there’s nothing wrong with the message, it sounds like she’s simply trying to promote abstinence amongst the youth (Particularly young ladies) or at least get them to wait a while, which is totally fine.

But what kills me is that women just know that ole boy couldn’t be faithful for a year. A man can’t go a year without sex? Yeah, well neither can a women, so now! I mean, it’s just that simple, if all men cheat, so do all women. See how ignorant that sounds? But some women are quick to put all men in that category.

I’ve read a few posts from ladies who are speaking the truth, but I’d be willing to put money on it that half the women who have had sex shortly after meeting a dude are not willing to come forth with that information. I’d also be willing to bet that these are the same women that are finding men guilty of cheating with no evidence.

It’s always the holier than thou mofo’s who are the biggest freaks.

They been together for about 10 years I hope they keep going strong

Hi DBADNESS

Correction. I am a fake ass wanna be with COURAGE.

I don’t change my screen name to get my point across. Stop Jockin Meat Loaf.

That takes alot of skill to follow me around on every forum to read all my hyphens and colons and periods and shit. I’m actually flattered.

The only contradiction there is actually is in your reading comprehension. Learn the parts that require you to do so critically and not to put someone on blast reading what you want to.

I love Alicia Keys,and I love that she waited a year before having sex with him. That’s the way it should be-don’t just sleep with any and everyone that comes along,make sure its the right person.

Bitch please. You aint corageous, you’re stupid. And I called you out cuz I hate fake ass people. When you jump from one point to the other dont get mad when people bust you out. You aint all that and you aint the first person Ive busted out on this site and I don’t need to change my screen name to do it so dont feel like your special cause you’re not. And whose jocking meatloaf. I think he’s right that your off. Something aint right about you. That’s a fact. Anywayz, your tired. No point in arguing with you. So whatever.

^^get ‘em.

^^^

Ok this is like your 7th post. Cuz the V forum was your 3rd or 4th. And this “aint the first time”? I understand you on your “fake ass bitch personal crusade” But why not keep the same screen name? If we’ve been chatting on other forums its nice to know who I’m talking to. LOL

It makes you more “authentic” and “credible” in your “fake ass bitch bust out missions” that you are spending your valuable time on.

And I’m holding a lot down to be a little off.

Your talking to Denise Bateman bitch. Hows that?

@310: Yeah, some should be ashamed. Too many people are using the Lords name to justify what and how they feel.
Almost EVERY WAR has been predicated on religious beliefs, even the current one. (Bush “Christianity” VS. Muslim “Islam”) We need more moderates and less extremist.

lol thats right. keep them goodies in a jar….a true role model would have waited until marriage alicia….but hey this is the real world lol.

Hi Denise

I’m sorry I personally offended you on the Vivica forum.

If you’ve actually read many of my posts pre when they were numbered, you will notice that my MAIN position has always been that we bring celebrities down to make us feel better about our own lot in life.

SARCASIM means to state something in a way that is often ironic. Plastic surgery is what it is.

I’m sorry that the use of sarcasim and irony somehow bothers, confuses or perplexes you. I ‘m sorry that you had to take the extra effort to create another screen name to prove you’ve busted me out.

For the record concreteloop DBADNESS has busted me right on out. Now I need to go work on my P & L for my mortgage company….is that real enough for you.

DBADNESS: What exactly did Im_Not_Her say ?

WOW!
I APPLAUDE ALICIA!!

SHE IS STRONG!!

A YEAR? good for her.

Hmmmmmm, I’m really not particularly interested in hearing about Alicia Keys sex life, but I do think if she is going to talk about sex it’s nice to have a young girl talk about feeling comfortable and being in control before taking that plunge. I think a lot of young girls don’t feel in control of their bodies…they’re so thirsty to make their men happy they wont even ask a guy to use a condom. I think her point was to say that it’s your body and you have the right and responsibility to only do things you feel comfortable with and not be pressured into to sex, when your not ready as supposed to being so caught in worrying about loosing the guy.

However, I don’t now how this discussion turned Alicia’s comments at an AIDS conference into an “evangelical hour”. First of all, nowhere in that post did Alicia Keys talk about her decision having anything to do with her religious beliefs (what ever they may or may not be). I find it interesting how so many people assume that everyone is a Christian and is interested in hear God’s law as interpreted by them via and entertainment blog. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions, but for some of you to make statements as if they are LAW, assuming that everyone believes in your god and your interpretation of the bible is quite baffling. Not everyone is interested in being married. Walking down and aisle, signing papers and exchanging rings is not making a commitment. A commitment from two people whom deciding to be equal partners and to share their life and love with each other. That takes place in a person’s heart, not in a ceremony. I have no problem with marriage and I applaud people who make it work, but I would never judge someone for not wanting to be married or having a sexual relationship before getting married. Jessica Simpson waited until she got married and I’m sorry if I had a daughter, I would prefer for them to look up to Alicia as supposed to her! There’s a lot more that makes a woman besides her chastity - we also have brains. I rather judge a woman on how she uses her mind.

Also, I’d like to know where all these Christian fundamentalists came from on an entertainment gossip blog? With all of your morals and values YOU MUST NOT LISTEN TO ANY POPULAR MUSIC OR WATCH ANY MOVIES OR TV SHOWS’s because there are few things out there that you wouldn’t conflict with your beliefs. How do you find anything on this blog that you can relate to?

If its Alicia Keys I’d wait 1 yr to “hit it” because shes a celebrity. I know yall other dudes wouldn’t let her go by. As for the other “average” chicks, Two wks maximum like Caff said.

To Dukesman2000- You got that right!LOL
I couldn’t say it any better

LOL Caff

anyway, if this is true, good for AK

Whateva #330. I dont need to change my screen name to suit anybody. I busted out people yesterday, and the day before and the day before that and I was dbadness everytime. check on it and youll see. You only prove my point. Your special. Go back to your beautiful job. You so need it.

People of CL:

Its again a pleasure to read some of the more thoughtful and mature commentary on the site, and especially on this topic. We have too many young girls out here and young men also who have not been prepared or taught anything about sex and relationships. Many of them are just duplicating the dysfunctional ass shit they’ve seen or been raised with.
To Ms Mac1 I applaud you girl! You broke it all the way down and your comments uplifted me and help me stay the course. I’m Not Her, I always enjoy reading your posts and I got your back!!!
As for Bill and Pittboi, I enjoy hearing from both of you. To Pittboi especially, I’m glad that you are comfortable with yourself and your life. If more black men had your courage we wouldn’t have folks running around here on the DL.
I also applaud those of you that identify yourselves as Christian yet can understand and appreciate that others have their own beliefs. But to those of you self-righteous Bible spouting so called “Christians” I believe God has a special place in Hell for you. Many of you who feel that way can talk the talk but can’t walk the walk.
I’m glad we were able to do something with this post aside from talk about what yet another celeb wears or looks like. There’s a lot more serious shit going on in the world and it’s nice to know there are some folks who are tolerant, educated and loving out here. That definitely made my day!

Interesting Vivica forum states you are on comment “10″. “on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 @ 6:36 pm | 10 COMMENTS”

So are we good now ? You’ve busted me out, put me right in my motherfukyn place for real. But I know***two fingers to the eye motion*** you watchin my azz…and I’m treading lightly.

Cause I’m a fake ass bitch. I’m watchin my inferences, deductions, commas, and periods from now to the fuck on. for real. Watch.

LOL

333:

nicely said.

#331 she so stupid I dont even wanna talk about her no more.

Thank you MISS TEE you are always the voice of reason.

—IM Not Her aka “fake azz biotch on punishment”

^ thanks

#312 It does not take 2 negatives to make a positive. If the comments are critical that’s okay but the blatant use of the N-word and B.t.h is not required or necessary to get your point across. If they talk this way about someone they don’t even know then imagine what they say about the people the do know. Black people will never be free and move ahead until we break the chains of the ignorant,uneducated,unemployed people that are pulling us back.

Over 300 post on Alicia Keys “waiting period” WTH???? LOL!

She aint no real role-model for the younger ones. She should’ve made him marry her, that’s keeping it real. One hour, one day, one year…girl please. Don’t be a silly rabbit tricks or for kids. That nigga didn’t wait to have sex for one year. Okay maybe for you, but not for someone else.

At least you made the folks on concreteloop start talking in the African-American community about sex issues.

Good for you Alicia but I know Kerry was hurtin.

Kendall: You right. We need to act like we got sense but the internet is anonymus so I think people get on here and say stuff they would never say to somebody face. It’s not that I agree with what they say. I’m saying that they have a right to theur opinion like you and me because in the real world that’s how it is. I don’t even trip about that kind of stuff though becuase it’s only a blog. After they log off CL they prob’ly could care less who they hurt and what they said that was negative. I joke around too so I’m not trippin. But it would be unfair to delete all the negative stuff and keep all the positive stuff because there are 2 sides to evry story and you never know what somebody can learn from someone elses ignorance.

I CANT SEE IT!!! First of all, it seems 2 me that she has some very serious control issues that if left unchecked, could become a serious issue in their relationship. It aint simply about religeon, but more about her own insecurites and how she chose 2 put this man thru her so called “TEST”. No amount of money is worth a man losing his balls! Besides, if he produces her music his pockets should be pretty nice anyway so it probly aint bout the money. If it was me, I would listen to them trucks backin up. “BEEP”BEEP”BEEP”

woo a whole year?! thats good ‘licia! make that nicca wait for your ‘woman’s worth’ mmmhmmm mmmhmmm…..

Role Model? I don’t think so. A true role model would’ve wait until marriage. What’s the difference between one year of everything but or having sex in when it feels right. This is coming from a grown woman who only had sex with three men. A real model would wait for marriage. I’m a little tried of “famous” people being looked as a role model.

Alicia my Baby Girl, wait until marriage not a year but i still love u though!!God Bless U

“Black people will never be free and move ahead until we break the chains of the ignorant,uneducated,unemployed people that are pulling us back.”

A buddy of mine was telling me about a black author who wrote a book discussing how the Black race could advance. The only way was to kill of the poor and undeduacted blacks. Although this seems implausible, it’s very much a solution. Think about it: In layman’s terms, kill off all ghetto-acting blacks, all thugs and thug wannabees, all welfare recipients, and all drug abusers. Less or no crime. No blacks ruining the club scene by way of shootouts. No ghetto ass female with an attitude at the local McDonald’s. No single female with 5 kids with no father. No deadbeat dads with 3 and 4 kids who would rather smoke weed and ride on rims than take care of their kids. No more being embarrassed by LaQuanesha and her crew and Tyrell and his crew when you’re out in public. That’s something to think about. Call me crazy and fed up.

I know I’m late, but I actually read the article, and she never said that she was talking about Krucial.

AK never even mentioned dudes name. So, people are just assuming that girlie is talking about him.

Now I also think that if you are going to wait that long you might as well wait for the ring.

I mean, it’s obvious that you are looking for some kind of commitment or assuredness that this guy is going to respect you and stick around.

But, then again, while a lot of you are extremely religious, marriage isn’t for everyone.

And from what I’ve read about AK, it isn’t for her either–at this point.

For those who wanted to know what faith she follows, none, I met her once and we got the chance to ask her questions.

She said that she is not religious, but she is spiritual and does believe in God.

For others who are saying that she is vain and that by her saying that her body too beautiful to be violated, I don’t think that she means that in the literal sense.

I think that she does mean it in a spiritual way. She’s just saying that she possesses self-worth.
She’s not just going to let anybody run up in her without getting to know this person first.

I mean, that’s common sense–or it should be.

And another tidbit, Krucial is at least 35 and AK is 25.

And yes she got with her boyfriend at an early age, but again, we still don’t know if that boyfriend was Krucial.

And we probably won’t know, AK is not the type to just let info slip out. Everything she says is already thought about.

just stupid i dont no why she made the man wait for a year they waited a whole year for terrible sex u no it was bad she was probly all tight any way just stupid to wait no a day is just dumb girls talking about saving them selves for what for who every nigga is liable to cheat and fuck up your credit anyway and what if u get hit by a car or something 2marrow aint promised so you gotta fuck today. im telling yall dont wait its stupid

Hillarious!!!!

You gotta f’k today.

Yeah, I personally, don’t think that it takes that long to figure somebody out.

I kind of doubt that she actually made her dude wait that long, I think that she probably just told him that just to see how he’d react during the meantime.

But, even so, it will show you what’s really up if you tell somebody, “We’re not doing anything for a whole year.”

Ha!!!

But, anyway, she seems like the type that can make somebody wait for her. Now as far as that person abstaining–that’s another issue.

But, I do believe that dude probably didn’t pressure her.

ALICIA WAITED FOR A YEAR BECAUSE SHE WAS SIMPLY CONFUSED ABOUT HER SEXUALITY. AND SHE DECIDED AFTER A YEAR, “WHAT THE FUCK I MADE UP MY MIND I LIKE DUDES NOW NO MORE CARPET MUNCHING.” AND BEAUTIFUL BODY?!? NOT WITH THEM CANKLES.

Look at all these scally wags up in this mug ! Got dudes talkin’ about they’ll wait for Alicia only cause “she’s a celebrity” but not for the “average chick”. What? Celebrities arent some type of different species, they’re people –just like ‘ol shorty down the block. Sorry to be graphic, but the pussy isnt going to taste any different LOL. But seriously, I find that really disrespectful and sad. *MIND YOU!!!* If a female were to say she wouldnt do it with Tyrell cause he’s an “average niqqa” but would wait for Usher [or whoever] cause he’s a celebrity, ya’ll would of what? Deemed her a GOLDDIGGER! A HOE! A WHORE! A GROUPIE! Yeah, mm-hmm. Take that for double standard-ism.

Re: Sue 258

Those butch, oh-she-acts-’manly’ reasoning for lesbians are so tired. I mean come on, not all gay women are like that, just as not all gay men are Sashay Shante. Her manly gestures? What the…are you serious with that shit? What the hell is a manly gesture LMAO. We have all these people up here think they are physicologist or some shit. Why do some feel they can just disect people just by looking at them? There is no such thing as “gaydar” contrary to popular belief.

Oh and no, before anyone else goes down the immature route, I’m not gay. So this isnt some “defensive” post or whatever the hell you had in your mind. So you can just press and erase your predictable lame ass joke, because you have nothing of intelligence to say.

AND BEAUTIFUL BODY?!? NOT WITH THEM CANKLES.

My wish for Christmas this year is for everyone to STOP TAKING EVERYTHING SO LITTERALLY…

I agree with Alecia, you should hold out, however long, 1 month or 12 months. A true relationship shouldn’t & isn’t based on sex, the person your with should respect that, if he respects you. Sex is just a part of a relationship. And if you’re not in a relationship, your playing russian roulette with your health. AIDS is spreading rapidly fast through out the African community more so than any other race & even more than the gay community. It’s just crazy not to show some kind of restraint and caution.

#141 you admit you lack self control so thats why you wouldnt have a woman on Alicia’s caliber. And thats ONE reason to get to know people. If you lack self control, thats not good for a relationship.

AND TO aLL YOU peeps bringing Chuuuch up. It isnt about that. Its about sharing intimate moments with a person you respect and care for. I have studied religion extensively and I am NOT a Christian, but I am a spiritual person and respect myself to get to know a brother before I open wide. And to the guys who say it doesnt matter…thats cool that just tells me you are on a different level. If you have no self control I have no interest in you anyway. If you cant control yourself sexually, can you control gambling, drinking, drugs. You learn things about folks over time, especially their hygeine and if they are carrying a DEADLY DISEASE.

That’s a very good thing to do and I’m glad she said that so young teenage girls out here can see they don’t have to rush but speaking realistically he may have waited a year but that nigga was fucking somebody! May not have been her but he was hitting something in the meantime you better believe that!

So go Alicia haha don’t let the smooth taste fool ya bitch that nigga was waiting but he was laying in somebody’s stuff while she’s out banging on them damn keys!

#141 you better find Jesus! You can get mad at that all you want call me every name in the book but times is hard out here and especially with Bush in office you better act like you know and find JESUS! I may cut up sometimes but I know what’s up there ain’t no way you can live in GOD’S world and have the nerve to say you aren’t a Christian but yet you are spritiual I’m scared to say spiritual in what way but I could care less if it ain’t for God it ain’t right ! Just a closer walk with thee…..grant it Jesus if you please! Daily walking close with thee let it be, dear Lord, let it be! Got me singing on this dag on board!

That’s good stuff:)

Yea, she waited a year for intercourse but I know she had to give up the oral!

He waited….. and so what ,that doesn’t mean a damn thing, he probably was getting his needs met elsewhere. However now what he waited a year now what, what does that prove besides the fact that he really wanted some. It doesnt prove that he wasn’t or wont be unfaithful in the near future.She should have kept that dim witted comment to herself. Come on ms. Keys you’ve got the beauty show that you’ve got the brains and use your common sense.

I would love to hear “Omen” comment on this one.

OK, Just food for thought ladies and gents. Here’s a What if: He gets the skins after faithfully waiting a year and then he finds out that it’s horrible. So he tries like five more times and it still sucks. Should he dump her or work on her since she made him wait that damn long in the first place?

damn i guess loving the woman has nothing to do with anything these days does it?it’s funny,i hope none of you people claim to love God.you sit here and talk about how waiting a full year is absolutely ridiculous yet God expects both MEN as well as women to WAIT until marriage.well that’s why all your sorry asses are afflicted with diseases and dying of HIV,because your priorities are completely screwed.i pray none of you people who are so disgustingly ignorant have children to spread your foolishness.and another thing,just because some of you men are sorry and not even worthy of being called an animal,doesn’t mean that all men are dogs lead by his lust.luckily for me i know plenty of good righteous men who stayed with one woman and waited until marriage,and you women who don’t think you’re worth that and that it’s natural for a man to be a whore are shameful.

Everyone head over to yahoo.com/music, Beyonce’s RTA is now available!Judge for yourselves…I love it!

Why is Alicia getting praise for holding out for a YEAR? She’s almost sending out the wrong message, that if any girl waits a year for a guy she can smash all she wants. She should have played smart and waited for marriage, or just not have said anything at all.

And to Meat Loaf, you need to practice what you preach instead of spouting off on people you don’t even know. If you were even TRYING to be even the most Christ-like you would have gone by the old saying, “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” Regardless of what the sin is. You’re rude and inconsiderate and I think you could use those bible verses yourself! Oh yeah, no offense but how old are you again? I’m most likely younger than you, but I act with way more tolerance for a grown man like you.

Say it isn’t so Pitguy?

I visited St.Tropez this summer and everyone had those speedos on and skimpy shorts and my friend says “It’s sick that a man can look at another mans hairy azz and get turned on.” I think meatloaf is justified I don’t agree with everything he says actually pretty much nothing he says but homosexuality is unacceptable. Pitguy women can have sympathy for you but your asinine. If I could I would invent that gadget from Men in Black and erase your thoughts, personality and everything about you and make you straight.

I am going to have to agree fully with #121, but nontheless I cannot believe that some of you are dogging Alicia for this. It’s commendable. My only problem with it, is that I don’t trust men. While I do make them wait a while, at some point many women give in because they simply don’t trust their man.

It’s so hard being XY. If we give in to fast we are not “wifey/wife” material and if we wait too long we’re at risk at losing you to the “fast” girls. Guys act like their the only ones with a sex drive. Girls want to have sex just as badly as you do, but unlike you we have to live up to moral standards that men created. Plus most girls can’t have sex with a guy after only one date and feel good about it the next day. We’re just wired differently I guess.

A Close Associate of Mine, Minister John Gray, Is a 30 year old Black Male Virgin.

He just published a book on how to maintain one’s virginity…….
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The first release from the MANNAGOD PRESS/EMG publishing imprint “Dirty Little Secret: The Hidden Sex Life of a Virgin” by John Gray is now available for pre-order. This prolific piece of work explores the true meaning of Holiness as it relates to God’s view of sexuality. Encompassing personal testimonies and powerful Biblical revelations, Gray’s debut, reaching bookstores in NOVEMBER, is destined to minister to millions.

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Peace

she coulda done a lot better… dude’s ugly, she should have waited another year.

but hey… i respect her for her decision, very strong. a lot of these cum-dumpsters out here could learn a thing or two from ms. keys.

That’s why she is so classy. Other rump shaking, rolling on the floor hookers in the industry need to take note. You don’t have to give up your goods to keep a man around. You are the “WOMAN” A. Keys!!!!

Man, I was diggin on Mr. O (he looking fyione!) until he showed he was a homo-hater. I guess women are more tolerant of homosexality then man. So sad we can’t all live on this earth without fear of somebody wanting to “invent that gadget from Men in Black and erase your thoughts, personality and everything about you and make you straight”. Isn’t that like how the Isrealites thought about the Palestinians and the Jews the Christians and the Shiite Muslims the Sunni Muslims, etc..?

Yeah, thats some great attitude to have. Seak out and destroy anybody you don’t like or whos lifestyle you disagree with. THat’ll make the world a much safer and better place to live. It’s so progressive and it’s such a great plan that that now I can’t even carry perfume on the damn plane! It’s what I’ve always wanted! Thanks seekers and destroyers. I certinly appreciate your open-mindeness.

““It’s sick that a man can look at another mans hairy azz and get turned on.” ”

-To justify his own feelings of arousal and call it a sickness….you’re right that is pretty damn sick of your friend.

If you go to many islands anywhere in this world. Not all men wear trunks from waist to knee. Most Euro beaches have men walkin around in speedos or nude. I would suspect that many of them aren’t gay, but for another man to take a GANDER and make this blanket assumption and go on a long diatribe about the sins of homosexuality, would lead me to wonder.

In DC with the largest population of downloaders, thats the first sign that I peep. Particularly when any violent words are associated along with a backward fascination with “irregular sex”.

just my .02 cents US dollars.

Steph

Not all men are like this. Just a simple sentence on that’s not for me etc would do for many evolved straight men. Again…on and on and on about graphic stuff is un called for and telling to me.

A man secure in his orientation doesn’t have the time to get into details about what bothers HIM about being gay. Its not him.

Its a turn off to most women because we’ve all heard about how ironic that whole long diatribe really is.

#33, I couldn’t agree more. Making someone wait only to give it up before marriage is not all that praise-worthy. I really do like her music still and who knows, he could have really been that into her that he waited. It still ain’t marriage!

#375 - Yeah girl. I agree. If you don’t like it say I don’t float that way but to deliberately think of ways to anihalate somebidy is scary to me. What if somebody felt that way about my people who are a mix of British, Chinese & Jamaicans? I’d be scared to walk outside. I think the people that go into the most details be the ones that think about it the most. So if its on your mind that much that says something about you (undercover brother perhaps). Not accusing Mr. O of that but I’m just saying it could be possible.

Whoever said Alicia is a HOE needs to eat a dick and leave the girl alone.

“There’s a lot more that makes a woman besides her chastity - we also have brains. I rather judge a woman on how she uses her mind.”
thank you #333

…and im wondering myself how this turned into a christian forum
but as with everything else in life once you drag religion into it
it turns nasty

whether u wait a yr or a month, u know if that man respects u the min. he approaches u.. REAL TALK..and sex is a 2 way street..niggas who fuck women on the 1st date are whores/animals…niggas who fuck 3/4 diff. women in a week are whores/animals..i would never date a guy who has sslept w/more women that he can count..no whores allowed is my rule of thumb!!women need 2 start thinking more like men…oh,and y did she tell her business like that?

co sign with #381
and thats what ive been saying throughout most of this blog

and AGAIN im not saying just fuck every mofo you meet or fuck around like the world is ending tomorrow and you need that last orgasm

I think religeon got placed into the discussion because people tend to associate morals with religeon. The two are not always correlated with one another but that’s just how most people think.

Also I do not think it’s fair to put race and sexual orientation in the same boat. No one chooses their race, but you do choose your lifestyle.

Why is disagreeing with ones lifestyle a form of hate? All people have prejudices accept it why do people harp on issues that will always be. I’m sure that pitguy isn’t going to stop being a deviant because I think his behavior is intolerable. I do not see how my disdainment towards all homosexuals not just gay men encapsulates who I am. Although this has nothing to do with Alicia please explain this to me.

PS- I travel often and its safe to say that most metro, exotic, foreign places are haven’s for gay people. It is culture shock if you never witnessed it. How about Ibiza, men openly attempt to chat you up its very blatant. Unfortunately this is how stereotypes are formed with that said what I find detestable and enjoy have nothing to do with how I interact with people or live my life.

I find it interesting that most accusations here are overly general and suppositional a free thinker can explain his beliefs and opinions.

Just like my man Eddie Murphy said, if you’re starving, and somebody throws you a cracker, that’s gonna be the best cracker of your life. Going off like it’s a Ritz or something. But after a year you might realize you just got some regular old Saltines. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have waited, but sooner or later, one of them is gonna realize all they got was some regular old Saltines.

Mr. O, your entitled to disagree but you took it to the next level by saying you wanted to wipe his thoughts out and MAKE him straight (pittboy). What kind a shit is that? Now you talkin out both sides of ya mouth cause on one hand you talking about being a free thinker and then you talk about wipin out the gay population. Now, SOME people on here don’t think I get on everybody cause they think I just have it out for them but Ima have to say you soundin a little 2faced right about now too. what happened to all that live and let live stuff you was preachin up top? That don’t apply to homos? What happened to “Indeed, this new awareness could change everything we thought we think about everything we think we like. In short if people realized that your beliefs whether positive or negative mainly affect you and only you can close your eyelids shit would go a lot smoother”. So life can’t go smooth for homos? Just asking?

I think Alicia Keys is a beautiful girl but, that’s where it ends. HER MUSIC SUCKS. The only hit she had was a rewrite of an old tune. She can play the piano though.

Wow! I’ll just do the math, because the level of confussion has become too widespread and collective!

Man + Woman = Marriage!

Pityboy + Brian = Homophobia!

Alicia + one year = hoe!

Im_Not_Her + words = fake azz!

Alicia + Herself = Athiest

1 Kerry + 1 Alicia = 2 hoes!

I have to agree with Ginger’s comments - especially #121! But there are some things that were said that have been absolutely absurd!

“All these young girls giving up everything so fast…and then end up in dysfunctional relationships.”

“He’s not going to respect you or marry you if you give it up. Why is that so hard to understand?”

“If I’m not smashin’ a girl within the first 30 minutes of meeting her, somethings wrong.

Are you kidding me? If I choose to give it up in 30 minutes, nigga, please! Don’t think that you were SOOOO smooth that you talked me into it. Any woman who has sex with you (no matter how soon) did it BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO!!! When will you immature guys get it?? If I chose to give it up the 1st night or make him wait a year, that certainly has NO bearing on the type of relationship we will have. I have had HEALTHY LONG TERM relationships with men whom I have slept with on the 1st night. My decision to have sex with those men did not change their perception of me. They STILL respected me. Mature Men (notice I said Mature) can develop a relationship with a woman whether they hit it the 1st night or a year later. Believe me; a man knows if a woman respects herself - no matter when she gives it up! And I have had several men who proposed to me! I chose not to be married, because I am not ready for that commitment.

That’s wonderful that Alicia chose to wait, but everyone does not have that same approach & really, what does it prove? She has will power - that’s it. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with her respecting herself more than I respect my self simply because I choose to have consensual sex when I want! Since when does waiting to have sex = a woman respects herself more???

“the 12 Apostles” You can’t feel slighted by them! Come on! They ate and slept together…not like that pittbboi! How could a woman follow Jesus at that time and why would she want to. Every move He made was to liberate women! He told the woman caught in adultry to “go and sin no more!” Like I said Ginger, you’ve been freed, but you don’t know how to be free! Not God’s fault! That’s on you!

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Meatloaf, get help. You’re contradicting your own self, now. First, you ask how and why a woman could follow Jesus, then you say every step he took was to liberate women (and it wasn’t just women, it was EVERYONE). So which one is it? Because surely women WOULD want to follow their liberator.

And for the record, I don’t feel slighted by the 12 Apostles. I feel slighted by the church, which has altered the Bible in so many immoral ways that it is no longer the Word of God, and that’s why I reject it. Think about it: God is perfect, so why would his book be rife with contradictions?

Lastly, there was in fact at least one female apostle. Her name was Mary Magadalene. The church got caught in a BOLD-FACED LIE that they had perpetrated for CENTURIES when the Gnostic gospels were discovered, disproving the church’s assertion that she was a whore. Many people still believe that, but church officials now admit that she wasn’t a whore. Why would they lie like that? Hmmmmm. . .

You tell me.

#389 where were you yesterday when i had these bytches on my back? LOL

respect to everyone who has their own opinions but
obviously you, Ginger, I
…are on a whole different level

So she’s a positive bi-sexual role model for girls . Give me a break ! What do you really know about anybody in the music industry . They are the fakest people on the planet . Plus she like to flip flop . Last year was the year of the lick . Now this year is the Dick .

Do the year rule apply to him buying gifts,trips,whips until he’s sure about her! I mean every women you spend on don’t give a shit about you . Go duch the whole year !

Dbadness, do you not have unpleasant thoughts? Have you never had a coworker that you disliked? Have you ever heard the saying what you don’t know you don’t know doesn’t bother you, it bothers the rest of us!! I think thats a hilarious comment but a free thinker prays to lose his desires and he’s responsible so his thoughts don’t segue into reality. I think thats called responsibility. A mature adult never shows his cards he always has his (pokerface) on I will admit that my disdainment for homosexuals is irresponsible and immature but I would never voice it in public. I have other dislikes also. I hate when women leave the door open when they are going to the bathroom, uncool >>> I almost digressed I have a responsiblity to keep my opinions at home. In short My thoughts are mine, and I don’t impose them on anyone. This is a forum where ignorant, spontaneous, thoughts should run rampant do you not agree??

What pitguy does is his business I just think its gross. It doesn’t affect me. I’m going to lunch they are having a special on Kobe beef normally they give you those small slivers but its half off so I’m going to go indulge I may have a cocktail or two also. It’s a nice day I am thinkng Tanqueray and tonic.

PS- I don’t know exactly know what talkiing out of the side of your mouth means, I tried to respond based on the context of your post but if I’m wrong my apologies.

#356

**applauding** That’s SUCH an excellent point. Because you are exactly right; guys would be tripping over themselves to call the girl a “golddigging hoe” if she said the EXACT same thing they said. Fucking idiots.

#361

Are you serious? “How can someone live in GOD’s world, and not be a Christian”? I don’t know what kind of sheltered existence you may live, but are you aware that ALL the major religions call their primary deity “God”? It’s hardly a term unique to Christianity (y’all borrowed it from pagan religions, FYI). So one could EASILY live in “God’s world” and not be a Christian. In fact, well over half of the Earth’s population does just that.

@ Meatloaf:

You are the definition of an idiot. “You wouldn’t let crackheads sell crack in church or molesters molest in church. . .” I think that is the most insipid analogy I’ve ever heard! You wouldn’t let anyone do anything sinful in church, and that includes fornication, homosexual or otherwise. (Not that I think fornicating is at all sinful, but I know the church sure does).

Do you understand what logic is? I don’t even know why I asked that, because it’s clear that you don’t.

Also, Pitbboi is making you look real stupid (not that that’s remotely difficult). So, he’s openly homosexual AND waaaaaayyy smarter than you. That must sting, especially considering that he’s brave enough to be comfortable with his sexuality, while you’re so deep in the closet you’re finding Christmas presents (thanks, Diane from “Family Guy”!).

Again, seek help, because you need to come to terms with your sexuality.

“To thine own self be true”

Nah, we cool, Mr.O. I got you. Enjoy that expensive ass piece of Japanese beef and hit that Tanqueray HARD! LOL>

Thanks, Nix! I think Im_Not_Her, Ms_Mac1, warrior princess and Steph can join me, you and Ambrosial68 on the whole.notha.level.

And we can spit on that moron Meatloaf from up there. Hooray!!

Ginger, I know this horse is about beat to death but just out of pure curiosity, why do you think fornication is not sinful? Just curious. Honestly.

if this little tidbit of info is correct, then I commend Mr. Brothers for waiting a YEAR to get the goodies, because most dudes I know don’t even want to wait a day. I don’t know any man who has that much character and self- control. Nothing is wrong with waiting, I think the man will respect you more if you don’t spread your legs after tellin him what your name is. Every guy knows that if a girl is so eager to give it up right away, then she will give it up to anyone. Furthermore when and who you decide to have sex with or (in some cases) lose your virginity to is a personal decision. Everyone is different, but I think men admire the women that have a bit more self control.

#398 CMEEZ,

I’ll answer that for you!

Ginger been doing it herself for so long that its her way of life! She’s a “Humpin” kinda girl! And, she’s a black feminist, who are not represented by the women’s rights movement! Only used by them! Oh yeah, and she’s a athiest or JW who has turned her back on Jesus and made up her own spirituality like Alicia has done!

Mr. O,

Be careful when you start apologizing and making concession for these tricks just because they call you handsome or fine, just to flatter you! You don’t know them and probably you will never know them, so go slow with the bonding and taking sides on CL. There are a lot of feminist, athiest and lesbos on here who will turn on you like a snake if you don’t accept their causes!

Ginger, #390

I’ll only correct one of your lies at a time…Look at #311 where I asked you how could a woman follow Jesus AT THAT TIME? You left off “at that time in your accusation #390 to make it seem like a contridiction! Shame on you!

During the period when Jesus was on earth, He and the 12 were sleeping on the ground and bathing in rivers? Then, you bring up Mary Magadalene who became an apostilette after He rose.

So, now that I see your craft, I’m getting a “Jehovah Witness” vibe from you! Are you JW? My guess is, you hate your parents and have very little superficial contact with them and other family members!

#399 “Everyone is different, but I think men admire the women that have a bit more self control. ”

did you take a survey?
cause i did…I asked a few males
and basically they stated they would have the same respect (or admiration as you put it LOL) for a woman who would sleep with them after a week that they would for someone who held out for 5 months or a year
the thing that would bother them and have them lose respect for a woman is if she was having sex with other men as well…no surprise there…

Ginger I feel ya. Waaayyyy too many girls/women are giving it up too easy too soon for what? a popcorn and movie, $20 dinner at Cheesecake Factory, just b/c he told you you’re the most prettiest girl/woman he has ever seen.

Women should realize that they are priceless jewels and their cookie is worth the wait. Most women just don’t understand how good their pussy is and how much men depend on it? It’s our duty to make these men wait and do dog tricks to earn it. What will a woman have to give if she’s all used up?

#402 “Waaayyyy too many girls/women are giving it up too easy too soon for what? a popcorn and movie, $20 dinner at Cheesecake Factory, just b/c he told you you’re the most prettiest girl/woman he has ever seen. ”

SOUNDS PERSONAL
sorry u had to give up pussy for a meal….ROTF

and R.I.F. Reading is Fundamental
Ginger is actually saying the opposite of your post…

i think its so sad that you think your pussy is the only priceless jewel you have to offer a man

I find it strange that Alicia Keys found the need to say that she waited 1 year to have sex with this dude. If she really respected her body she wouldn’t divulge any information at all about her sex life. You know what else is even stranger though? Why is it that when a black man has a strong opinion he gets vilified? Lol. “You must be a homosexual if you’re against homosexuality”, lmao. There seems to be this unspoken partnership between many black women and homosexuals where they protect each other, but I haven’t quite figured it out yet. Maybe Meatloaf or Mr.O can help me out, lol.

Thanks, Nix! I think Im_Not_Her, Ms_Mac1, warrior princess and Steph can join me, you and Ambrosial68 on the whole.notha.level. And we can spit on that moron Meatloaf from up there. Hooray!!

Ooh, I got a shout out!! Word 2 Big Bird, lol. Oh and CL fam, I’m sorry I made all ya’ll post bold print by not closing the tag…LOL

Well if ladies have got other priceless jewels to offer a man, how about letting them get to spend time on that first, than just giving up the coochie. Seems like a lot of ladies don’t care how many men get up in it, the less amount of time you wait, the more men you’ll sleep with. The less time you spend getting to know someone and head straight to the bed, the more you’re likely to find yourself in a situation of FALSE intimacy. Men can wait.

x.romantique.x

Judah

I’m not sure either, but I know that gay men and their sympathizers both have low self-esteem! Maybe these women feel empowered by weak, girly men! A man they can tell to, “shut up bitch” and not have to worry about getting the $#!t slapped out of them! hehe! Let me say OMT - I don’t mind a woman standing by my side, but I’ll be damned if Imma let her get all up in my face! heee!

NIX, That was priceless! lol

Ethopian Princes should go and talk to Eve on the other blog!

YO! he was like 25 and she ws 14. Wait a year!! He banged a 15 year old girl.

@ Cmeez:

I don’t subscribe to the Christian (or Muslim or Jewish) attitudes about sex. Quite frankly, I find them very bizarre.

Sex is totally natural, feels good in a way that nothing else does, elevates the mood, and can make babies.

What of those things is wrong or sinful? Is it the nudity? The moaning and groaning? Allowing oneself to feel pleasure?

I honestly don’t get it.

@ Meatloaf:

Please try to keep in mind that YOU DON’T KNOW ME!!! So do yourself a favor and stop trying to answer questions for me, because you just make yourself look even MORE foolish (quite a formidable task, considering).

Ok, your post is disjointed (as usual), so explain yourself.

Why is it that you don’t feel that a woman could have followed Jesus AT THAT TIME? Because they were sleeping on the ground and bathing in rivers?

If so, that still doesn’t explain why a woman couldn’t have followed Jesus AT THAT TIME. Most women are perfectly capable of sleeping on the ground and bathing in a river, especially if it would allow them to follow their savior and liberator.

So, what are you talking about?

Also, if you read my post, I referred to the Gnostic gospels, which disproved that Mary Magdalene became an apostle after the resurrection. The gospel makes it very clear that she followed Jesus (and, indeed, was his favorite apostle) before the resurrection.

So, again, what are you talking about?

Oh, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christians too, genius. So they follow the Bible. And if you have any comprehension skills at all, you’d have gathered that I don’t believe the Bible to be the Word of God (I said as much in my last post).

Also, Jehovah’s Witnesses are much more devout than your average Christian. Their views on sex are even more extreme, and most of them actually practice what they preach.

@ Judah:

If a man says he doesn’t agree with the practice of homosexuality, that’s perfectly fine.

BUT, these guys (Meatloaf especially) go out of their way and bend over backwards to express hatred towards homosexuals.

Ask yourself, why? How does SOMEONE ELSE being a homosexual affect you? Indeed, doesn’t that leave more women for you to choose from as a heterosexual male?

It’s telling. Closeted homosexuals are irked by out-of-the-closet gays because it reminds them that they themselves are too cowardly to be true to themselves. That feeling of self-loathing manifests itself as outward aggression towards gays.

I have two brothers and a boyfriend. When any of them have to interact with a homosexual (especially a flamer), they are definitely uneasy, and will probably make a snide comment or two after the fact.

What they DON’T do is obsess about it all day, and the day after, and the day after that. Have you read this entire thread? Have you noticed how obsessed Meatloaf is with Pitbboi (how could you not?)?

And its not just this thread. Whenever he and Pitbboi post in the same thread, he starts up. Its pretty damn suspicious.

BTW, Meatloaf, if you are so against “deviant” sexual practices, make sure you NEVER let your girlfriend give you a BJ, NEVER go down on her, and definitely no anal. Because those are “deviant” sexual practices, too. Just because you’re doing it with a woman doesn’t mean it isn’t “deviant”. So just straight penile-vaginal sex for you.

Wait, what am I talking about? You’re gayer than Liberace!

Its official! GINGER is this months H.A.M! hehe!

LOL…y’all REALLY believe that??! Yea right she made him wait a year…bologne. Strictly PR.

@ Nix, oops my bad, I didn’t take time to read all of her (Ginger’s) post. I only read the last two statements.

Anyhoo, I never said that my pussy was my only priceless jewel. “Women should realize that THEY (women) are priceless jewels and their cookie(pussy) is worth the wait”
Obviously, you may want to practice what you preach “R.I.F.” or maybe “C.I.F” (Comprehension Is Fundamental)

“Waaayyyy too many girls/women are giving it up too easy too soon for what? a popcorn and movie, $20 dinner at Cheesecake Factory, just b/c he told you you’re the most prettiest girl/woman he has ever seen. ”…..actually babygirl, I do take it personal when I hear this comment come out of a black woman’s mouth. Well, I see I touched a soft spot with you on this comment and you had no choice but to feel guilt and reverse the game and use it against me. Nice try though!

Oh okay Ginger.

I never assumed that you subscribed to a particular religeon but I must have missed the part about you not believing the bible as God’s word. I thought that you trusted the text but just not the interpretation of it.

I guess I just wonder where you get your sense of morals & standards from. Christians believe the bible to be God’s instruction on how to live…and Im assuming the same for Muslim’s and the Holy Koran and so on…

So I guess in short if you believe in a higher power, I just wonder how he/she communicates his expectations to you? Or does it come from within? If so what about people whose within is evil and they think it’s perfectly okay to molest children or murder.

I am really not trying to start no shyt on here, I am just really curious about your belief system.

By the way, Jehovah Witnesse’s are the only people who recognize themselves as Christians. Catholics & Protestant christians consider them to be cults. They don’t believe in the Trinity. No Trinity, no Christianity.

Meatloaf

Tsk Tsk Tsk don’t push it daddy.

@ nix

DUH! Of course a male WITH NO MORALS is going to Tell you it doesn’t matter when you give it up… I don’t know what kind of men you’re dealing with.

hey ethiopian wutever…
you have the audactity to say I cannot comprehend when you just admitted to only reading the last 2 lines of her blog before making your comment…
you sound like an azzz
dont get mad at me because you agreed with someone that was saying the opposite of you

also FYI
you didnt touch shyt because your happy meal comment does not apply to me…only TO YOU which is why you thought enough to write it

#412 Ethiopian Princess

I love hearing you say, “my pussy”! So much better than, “my vigina”! Go Gurl! You must have a good one…you spake so personable! I get chills everytime I re-read it: “I never said that my pussy was my only priceless jewel.”

Ginger,

See Ginger, a real lady doesn’t want to sleep on the dirty ground and bath her pussy in the Jordan river! As a woman, you don’t know your place! Such a shame, because I thought black women realized the trick played on them by the feminist movement! You stumble in the dark!

Ne - im dealing with ur baby daddy

IF you are sweetie,
More power to you cause he’s a sorry ass nigga and guess what?.. His heart beats everyday against the tattoo with my name on it.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
no wonder you’re so bitter
see let people talk and they tell ya everythang!

well then it shouldnt surprise you if i am
considering you did say men with no morales
at least you know ur baby daddy very well

I think that’s great because I agree with her! There are too many dudes around only trying to get sex from you…

I think she made a really smart decision because by the time a year comes, you know the real deal about the person and what they really want.

#421 Jonelle said:

“…by the time a year comes, you know the real deal about the person and what they really want.”

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What he really wants is the pussy! That is the real deal! He would have wanted it more if she would had said, “let’s get married first!”

Nothing wrong with dudes trying to get sex…That’s what God intended!

She didn’t need a year to figure Kerry out! She knew him right from the start!

BITTER…
Cute little girl you are so funny.

I am in a very satisfying (no sex) relationship, since november 2005.

Keep giving your tail up girl somebody will marry you. I will not be responding to you anymore…
I pity you!

hell i kno this aint none of my bizz but # 423 u might not be bitter from having a sorry ass baby daddy but your bitter cuz your in a sex free relationship. sister that aint the way to go you gotta release some bitterness and anger through sex you have what we call build up. and nix aint nothing wrong with having a whole heap of sex, sex is life and everyone should have it everyone

For the record:
Sexual frustration does not equal bitterness.
I posted a lil of my bizness so you have everday.

^right to comment on what I wrote.

so you admitt that you had sexual frustration

thank you 424!
my sentiments exactly

@ Ne
YOU pity ME?
LMAO
why?
you dont even KNOW me
you saw my comments on one post and now you think you know me well enough to pity me
GET A DAMN LIFE!
STAT

THE BeStest thing Smokin Sonny said:
hell i kno this aint none of my bizz but # 423 u might not be bitter from having a sorry ass baby daddy but your bitter cuz your in a sex free relationship. sister that aint the way to go you gotta release some bitterness and anger through sex you have what we call build up.
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nope… just correcting you Sex free relationship doesn’t make one bitter. If you ever practiced this you would know that SEX isn’t everything!

Ginger said:
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Thanks, Nix! I think Im_Not_Her, Ms_Mac1, warrior princess and Steph can join me, you and Ambrosial68 on the whole.notha.level.

And we can spit on that moron Meatloaf from up there. Hooray!!

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I’ll be there. I say one of needs to start a blog called wholenothalevel.com….it just needs to be able to filter for homophobic trolls, people who have a hard time with subject verb agreement, and common sense.

^^one of us

429 your right i would no nothing about that

@ Meatloaf #417:

Ok, I guess it’s about time to stick a fork in you, cuz your ass is DONE!

That is the weakest argument you’ve put forth yet (and THAT’S sayin something).

So, let me get this straight: A “real lady” wouldn’t want to follow her lord, savior and liberator making an unprecedented appearance on Earth because she is too pretty and delicate to sleep on the ground? THAT’S your contention? Seriously?

Like black_gurl30, you’re making this too easy for me. I can’t even be bothered with you anymore, because I’m a woman who likes a challenge, and you’re not one.

Before I dismiss you, let me disabuse you of one last thing:

I, in fact, DO know my place. Like I told Nix, it’s on that whole.notha.level that you don’t know anything about. And right now, I’m looking down from it, pitying you as you bask in your ignorance.

@ Cmeez:

Darling, I have no problem with you asking questions.

That Meatloaf idiot just brings out my fierce inner bitch, because he’s so proud of his narrow view of the world and tries to force it on others. Repping Christianity HARD, but doesn’t hesitate to judge people.

And, correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Jesus say something about judging people? (I’m being facetious, I KNOW what the Bible says about judging others. Apparently, Meatloaf does NOT, but he’s such a righteous, devout “Christian”. Interesting.)

In answer to your question as to where I derive my sense of morality: It’s truly hard to say. I suppose it was instilled by my mom as a child, and developed by me through my own experiences.

My personal governing philosophies are: 1) Helping the less fortunate and 2) Endlessly questing for knowledge and the truth.

I believe that’s what life is all about. Not adhering to a rigid belief system that demands that you despise all the things that make you human.

Don’t you find it odd that all the big three religions propagate hate, as opposed to love? Intolerance, as opposed to tolerance? Judgment, as opposed to understanding? War, as opposed to peace?

I’m not trying to offend you, but, quite frankly, I can’t see how any conscientious, thinking person could follow any of the major religions today.

I believe that Jesus Christ lived, and that he was a wonderfully positive influence on mankind. Unfortunately, his message (as well as Muhammed’s and Moses’ and other prophets) gets lost because its mixed in with contradictory religious messages.

I believe that it is easier to hate than to love, because love can break your heart, but hate is an emotional replacement for fear (an emotion common to all sentient beings).

So people embrace hate more readily, especially if they feel that their hate is sanctioned by God (which it isn’t). And that is why the world is in the condition that it’s in today. All in the name of God.

Regarding murderers and molesters, I don’t think anyone is born evil; we’re all born innocent. When is the last time you saw a baby or small child doing something evil?

I believe that most people are products of their environment. As they come up, they experience or witness violence and abuse, and that warps their psyches, which, in turn, warps their reality.

Do you think the fact that most murderers come from violent and abusive households is a mere coincidence?

Besides, most of the killing throughout mankind’s history stemmed and still does stem from religious violence. People killing righteously, in the name of God. And they don’t even think they’re doing anything wrong; in fact, they think they’re doing God’s work. To me, that makes it worse than anything your average serial killer does.

But I would like you to answer the question in my first post. What is it about sex that the church thinks is oh-so-sinful?

ginger its never that serious i aint even take time to read that book you just wrote

@ Cmeez:

I just read over my post and I sound a tad sarcastic. I didn’t intend it that way. I guess I’m still stewing over that idiot Meatloaf.

I know I shouldn’t let him get to me, but it really upsets me that someone could be that stupid and still think they’re right. And a brotha at that!

But I WOULD like you to please tell me, if you have any idea, what is so offensive to the church about sex?

#434 That’s fine cuz I wasn’t talking to you anyway. But you really SHOULD read books, ya might fuck around and learn something.

Im_Not_Her: That’s what’s up! But if we filter out people with grammar problems, it’ll just be us talking. Wait a sec, that’s probably a good thing!

hoe dont start with me cuz i promise you wont win theres no droping knowledge on me so you could try that approach on the next person imma listen to who ever the hell i want..and i did fuck around and learn something i learned hoes come and all kinds and packages u got outside hoes and internet hoes far as im concerned your probaly both u skee bag hoe

Nix babygirl,

I’m gonna let you chill b/c you are a little too worked up over my opinions….Two fingers with a split down the middle(peace)!

Back to the topic at hand, I’m proud of A.Keys.

@Meatloaf…Thank You Big Daddy, unfortunately, I have to calm down on the language, the man maybe monitoring the system, you get the picture.

GINGER,

lol, ROTFLMAO, You a cold piece of work! You need medication and professional help! Will one of you women please talk to this she-man! Get off my blog!

hehe!

That was a nice post that I read all of. As you know we don’t always agree, but your points are solid. There are some unfortunately with a cookie cuter approach to ANY ideology. Deviation requires a certain amount of intelligence and courage.

There’s a host of irony going on from the 700 club representitives, early I read a straight diss on one poster complimenting another. In the same vain, the self-professed and judgemental Christian doesn’t ascribe to premarital sex but mysteriously ended up pregnant and unmarried.

And how a hand full of bible thumpers (including a choir director and a deacon) curiously wind up on a gossip blog, that gets unsensored and raunchy on its best days, I will will never know. I suppose the flesh is weak.

Miss Tee said it best. Theres a special place in “hell” for many of them, and sadly some of them are living it right on earth in their very own illusions.

As for our resident- homophobic- closeded- homosexual troll who also working on a record deal in his spare time-uses the bible for a variety of reasons. He hasn’t the faintest idea how relationships work gay or otherwise, so he quotes scripture. I mean he can barely relate to any of us-even in discourse. Social misfits must have some crutch. Some use tv, others use a computer, he uses the bible.

@437
Wow was it that necessary for you to get that vulgar… and you called me bitter!

Good for her but that waiting isn’t always good b/c a man might get in there and say to himself. Damn! That’s all?

lol NE she ticked me off i had to get bitter

maybe YOU need some…lol.
I’ll give you a pass, get some tonight!

lol imma go get some

get a **”bang bang” in there for me too, I’m trying to stay strong**

lol just give out im telling you it’s worth it you only got one life do it big dont hold back

^^lol
On the real though wrap it up!

i always do well most of the time lol

440 was to Ginger

okay pimpin.
We don’t want to be babysitting on concreteloop!

OH stop it Alicia. You are a homo. Kerry is a homo. He has never even smelled your cootie cat. You need to stop lying to the peoples. Closets are for clothes.

wow, this is some mess. I leave this topic for a day and all this pops off.

Anywa, thanks Ginger (And everyone) for reppin’ for me. it’s nice to know that there are some people out there in the world that doesn’t view the world so narrowly, and understands that not everyone is just like them.

My approach differs from yours Meatloaf. You’re more blatant which is fine but some people need tough love others need to be spoken to differently. I’m not going to tell you ow to speak/write to others though. I wasn’t apologizing just elaborating. I realize that you are older than I am but one thing I’ve learned if you feel strongly about something and want people to respect your opinion you should express yourself differently and respect others pov. Its foolish to tamp others down and not at least hear them out. With that being said I think most of this is funny. Its a logical fallacy that something being natural in your world justifies it. I just think its no point in explaining yourself if no one cares its more important to be effective. Judah, homosexuals always do that because you disagree or make fun of them, you have issues its bullshit. Hecklers will always heckle. Don’t worry its all in fun you know who you are at the end of the day.

Judah:

It’s not that black men with strong opinions are vilified, necessarily. It’s just that certain black males (not naming any names) don’t know how to state those opinions eloquently, a fewer still know how to eloquently state their opinions and then back them up provocative facts, not lies and beliefs that nobody but themselves take seriously. It’s one thing for a black man to say, “look, this is what I think, this is WHY I think that, and it’s ok if you don’t agree with me”. But too many black folk go around acting a coon and expecting people to listen to their bullshit.

I hope she made him wait..they met when she was still a teenager, and the guy has a babymomma and stuff. i guess AK wanted to be certain before giving it up… good 4 her.

Lola, I never said that CL needed to delete all negative comments just stop people from using certain terms on his like the n-word and Bi… and just the plain ignorant talk that people seems to have on here.#351 you have some serious issues!

–hands Ginger a golden crown–

CO-SIGNS TO THE 10TH POWER! lol

I agree that others shouldn’t judge others. But it’s a little ridiculous, when people start blaming wars and world violence on faith. War is man made, and it is idiotic world leaders who use faith and religion, wrongly to justify violence when we all know it’s about money, and not Christianity or Islam, etc. Just like it would be wrong of Christians or whoever to judge others, it’s a little ridiculous to insinuate that we are just followers of some organised religion. Anyone that has read the Bible or Koran, would not suggest that these faiths consist of followers following doctrine robotically.

x.romantique.x

Okay, um…it sounds good, but if she gave it up after 3 days, would she go run and tell the media? Hells no.

And oh yeah…MOST people put on their best face during the first year of a relationship. It isn’t until AFTER that, the truth starts coming out. So once again, what did she gain by making him wait a year? He still has potential to be a dog.

LOL@ PINKY

And oh yeah…MOST people put on their best face during the first year of a relationship. It isn’t until AFTER that, the truth starts coming out. So once again, what did she gain by making him wait a year? He still has potential to be a dog.
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Ain’t that the damn truth!!!

For the record; when I asked about the homos and some black women, that was a rhetorical question. Lol. Stevie Wonder can see why they stick up for each other. Thanks anyway.

@ #430, im_not_her, I’m just curious. Who are you talking about when you say ^^one of us? I think I know who the homophobic trolls are but who are the people who have a hard time with subject verb agreement, and common sense?

#459:

I think you missed my point just a little. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having faith in God at all, and I don’t think faith in God is destroying the world. I don’t think I ever even used the word “faith” in any of my posts.

I think the problem is that people have way too much faith in, NOT God, but their religious leaders, and those leaders use that faith to their advantage, just like you said.

#439:

Now, what exactly did I say to you to promote that little temper tantrum? I simply told you I wasn’t talking to you (which I wasn’t; my comments were specifically directed at Cmeez and Meatloaf), but since you seemed so proud of the fact that you don’t take time out to read books, I just let you know that reading things can help make you smart (and you’re in sore need of at least some semblance of intellect).

Did that make you feel emasculated? Is it that this dialogue is over your head (which is why you haven’t contributed anything of value)? Or is it just time for the little man’s nap?

Do you notice how I don’t have to resort to nasty name-calling, even though you felt the need to go that route with me? Do you call your mom a “hoe” when she says something you don’t like? Probably so, because clearly you have no home-training. Now go sit in the corner somewhere.

My bad, those remarks directed to #439 in my last post were actually to the little ignoramus at #437.

#439 is what will have to pass as Meatloaf’s concession speech, since he could never admit that a (gasp) woman just took his ass to school.

And thank you warrior-princess! Now, let’s go up on our whole.notha.level and laugh at all the poor saps below (and don’t feel bad for laughing; we tried to raise them up, but apparently they like it down there).

Sorry for the consecutive posts people, just one more thing.

I directed this question at Cmeez at first, but he seems to have abandoned our little convo, so I’ll pose the question at-large:

Can anyone tell me what exactly is sinful about sex? Does anyone actually know?

@ Ginger

I think it basically comes down to this. If you are a “christian” then you are a follower of Christ and thus Jesus refers to you as “the body of Christ” aka “the church”. Now here is a little side bar. To some people on here who have such a bitterness (IMO) towards christians and like to generalize all christians as judgemental guess what? If you believe in Jesus Christ as your personal savior, YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN! It doesn’t matter if you go to church, you dont go to church, if you curse/dont curse, you fornicate or you don’t fornicate…you are still a christian and called to spread the truth! So just because you don’t go to church or don’t get into “religeon”…you are not off the hook! You are still called to the same responsibility as a church goer, period–if you accept Christ. So if I go to church and still curse, and dont go to church and still fornicate, both of us are equally wrong and equally hyprocritical! And atleast one of us is atleast TRYING to get it together. And how does being a christian automatically prevent you from sinning??? I dont understand that. Non-christians and (even some christians) love to say how judgemental someone is, but they do the VERY SAME THING! Oh she’s a christian what is she doing on the gossip blog. What??? I think some people just have warped idea’s of what christianity is truly about. It’s not about going to church 6 days a week, getting married, having kids, eating dinner, going to bed and then finally dying. Well atleast that’s not what my walk is about. I like movies and music just like everyone else…no I dont get into porn and I’m not really into explicit rap, but I dont sit around listening to gospel all day either. I am a real person who lives in a real world just like you. And to be honest this particular blog is about more than entertainment…yeah it may start off about entertainment but it then leads to significant subject matter that needs to be addressed (i.e. pre-marital sex, race relations, and even politics, etc.) Should christians be banned from taking part of these discussions, too because they believe that Christ is the Savior. Please. As a matter of fact, it would seem (to me) that any religeon would call you to a certain standard of “holiness” so if that’s the case, unless you are an atheist, you dont have no business on here either. Do you think your “god” would approve???

Sorry Ginger had to get that out! Okay so, if you are a believer in Christ then you believe that the Bible, is the Word of God, and your personal guidelines as to how God expects you to live. So plain and simple, if the bible says no sex before marriage, then that’s what it is. I dont always like the rule, heck I dont always follow it but I do make an honest effort and hopefully one day with the Lord’s help I will make it to marriage–sex free. Plus I really feel that God forbids certain things for a reason. Not because he is a mean God but because He wants to protect us. He wants to protect us from: STD’s, unwanted pregnancies, having to make decisions regarding abortion, children growing up in single parent households, and getting our feelings crushed when the person we have shared ourselves with decides to leave. True a husband/wife can cheat or still leave you but I believe if we would do things His way we would be so much more blessed.

As far a children being born innocent, I have to disagree with that. Yes, children are innocent to certain degree because they dont know anything…but we were all born in sin…passed down from Adam & Eve. Just like there have been murderers who came from bad childhoods, there have been murderers (even children) who had perfectly “good” normal childhoods. So where did that come from??? Trust and believe Satan’s biggest trick is to make you think that he doesn’t exist…

So I hope that answers your questions…I know people get tired of hearing about church and religeon on seeminly non-related topics but what can I say…Not perfect, definitely not the perfect Christian, but hopefully growing each day….Holla…

Good essay CMEEZ! I wish you would have explained sin to the homos too!

Anyhow, let me take a shot at Gingers question…what is sinful about sex?:

Female dogs (bitches) go into heat and give it up until they get stuck together with the male dog and someone pours hot water on their azzes and his “jimmie” shriks! This goes on and on as long as the bitch is in heat! God doesn’t want humans to behave like dogs!

Now, do you get it, Ginger? Sometimes all you have to do is look at nature to understand life!

Meatloaf, you iz a sick puppy (pun intendid). LMAO

Cmeez,

Thank You for your INTELLIGENT Post (Post # 468).

Well Written ! Excellant Points !!

Thank you !!

You make us “Christians” proud.

Peace

CMEEZ I have to say thank you for blessing this page with the holy spirit of the living GOD. To often people try to hide behind wordly ways to justify their sins for their own selfish reasons. GOD bless you for your efforts to enlighten the masses.

GOD’s word doesn’t waver. You can’t argue with TRUTH. He gave us all plenty of examples to go by in The Bible to help prevent mistakes, sexual and etc….. People need to wake up and seek understanding. Nothing is new in this world, and the wise learn from the mistakes of others. You’ll be blessed for your efforts to be like Jesus. Just try

@ Cmeez:

Ok, that’s about what I thought. So it’s the church’s version of “Because I said so.”

I don’t know about you, but when my parents resorted to that when I started asking “too many” questions, I recognized it for what it was: a cop-out (not to say that I didn’t take the cue and shut-up).

I just think that, if you say something is so, then you should be able to explain why something is so. So if the Bible says that sex is a sin, then why can’t the Bible explain exactly what is sinful about it?

Lastly, its interesting that you bring up original sin. I believe the primary function of the “original sin” concept is to give the church a rationale for beginning its indoctrination of people while they are young, impressionable, and incapable of critical thought.

This way, by the time they are adults, they are fervent believers who will never question the Bible or the church, and refuse to listen when someone presents them with possible alternatives to the church’s explanation of, say, the origin of the universe. Or the nature of man. Or any of life’s great mysteries.

And all this is not in the interest of saving your soul. It’s in the interest of lining their own pockets, and boy do they ever! Have you ever been to the Vatican? The halls are lined with gold, LITERALLY. There are priceless works of art all over the place. And all paid for with money taken (mostly) from the poor. Jesus would be appalled, because he preached the EXACT opposite of what the church does.

Power corrupts, and the church is mankind’s most powerful institution, and it has been corrupt from day one. And, sadly, they keep good and honest people like yourself from seeking and possible finding the real truth, because they convince you that they are the only ones who can lead you to it.

@Cmeez,

You can explain to Ginger until you’re white in the face and she’s still not going to understand! The dark can’t comperhend the light anymore than a lier comprehending the truth! That’s why I keep it plain to these zealots!

Now, she’s trying to say that the church has kept you from “seeking and possible finding the real truth.” Like she knows the truth! She’s too guilty to even admit what her brand of religion is!

But hey, if you want to keep trying to explain to her, that’s your time! I just believe that she and pityboy have been given over to their mess and somethings are just beyond written words.

It will take prayer and fasting! Have you done that? Are you willing to pray and fast for Ginger? If not, you’re just wasting good essays! She needs the highest form of intercessory…prayer and fasting!

It sounds like she had some issues asking her parents “too many questions”, so you might include that relationship in the prayer! She bring her parents up more than once! And, I wouldn’t respond to Ginger’s little querry about “sex is sin”! Come on Ginger, you’re an adult! Don’t play games! You know what’s right and wrong, just like satin did!

Ginger, who cares about the gold in the Vaticans? When I hear people talking about the church ripping poor people off, I know what’s coming next! Selfishness! What happens to the church is God’s business, not mans! If God lets the church rip poor people off, why are so many lives being saved?

And Ginger, Jesus is appalled at doubt and envy, which you seem to have a lot of! You preach: The church is corrupt! The bible contradicts itself! Parents don’t listen! The Vatican should sell its art!

You talk like you know great mysteries, but you’re sitting there pouting about the gold in the Vatican! Why are you on CL if you have all the answers?

Good luck Cmeez, as you try to explain every single point to her, but I’ll just say, “Get thee behind me Ginger”. Jesus knew that the Pharasee were asking questions to try and trap Him!

“What exactly is sinful about sex”? Trick question from a trick!

Ginger: (Last try Meatloaf :))

You are making unfair comparisons and generalizations. First of all you need to distinguish between the church and the Church—aka the Body of Christ. The church is where you go on Sunday or wherever it is that you have been where you’ve come in contact with unconscientious, hypocritical people, who blindly give away their money, so the preacher can build big churches and ride around in expensive cars, etc. Then there is the Church (aka the body of church) who believe that Jesus is simultaneously one with God and the Son of God, add the Holy Spirit to that and you have the Trinity. We believe that Christ came, died, and rose for our sins and if we accept, believe, and have a relationship with Him we will have eternal life in heaven. We believe that the bible is the Word of God which is filled with his promises to us and his guidelines for us. If you read it you might get a history lesson, too. The Church knows that we can’t explain everything, and we also know that we don’t have to. The Church also knows that we don’t have to go on some “quest” for truth, because God already gave it to us! Its right here, a free gift. It’s up to you to accept it.

You also cannot completely compare your parents to God. First of all your parents are not God. God is omnipresent. He is the past, present, and future. So it’s some things that He can see that we can’t. Just like your parents knew when they told you “Because I said so…” that you may have been too young to really understand. And furthermore, they are your parents, the ones that gave you life, and a roof over your head, so they don’t HAVE to explain anything to you. Same thing with God. He made this world and everything in it so who are we to question Him about anything??? Last, the bible doesn’t have to explain every single detail about life. If that were so then there would be no reason for faith and an actual relationship with God. Furthermore, the Lord gave us common sense. I just gave you a list of reasons why we should not engage in premarital sex—if you choose to reject them because God didn’t specifically list those things in the bible or because he didn’t personally call you on your cell and tell you then that’s on you.

I think what this really comes down to is our beliefs about the bible and its origin. If like me, you believe that the bible is God’s word then the writing is on the wall. If you don’t believe that, then we might as well end the conversation because it’s not going to get anywhere. How can we compare apples and oranges when we can’t even agree that they are both fruit?

However since you have apparently found the “real truth” then could you explain to me what that is???

“In answer to your question as to where I derive my sense of morality: It’s truly hard to say. I suppose it was instilled by my mom as a child, and developed by me through my own experiences.”

Okay so what if you were raised by someone and grew up in a society where incest and child molestation were perfectly acceptable??? Does that mean that now these two things are okay? Sorry, but your theories have to many loopholes…I would leave all of that seeking and finding of knowledge to things such as: traveling, experiencing new things, learning about different cultures, languages, musical instruments, or whatever does it for you. Life has a lot of unanswered questions that we will never understand until we get to the other side, but one thing that I can be sure of is God, His Word, and my salvation. I pray that you too will one day experience the same peace. In fact, not only do I pray that I challenge you to give Jesus a try. Of course, I know you would never admit to it on this site, but if there comes a time when you get weary in your “Endlessly questing for knowledge and the truth” Just humble yourself before the Lord and admit that you are a sinner (like the rest of us) and you want to get to know Him and real Truth. If you are genuine, I guarantee results that you could never imagine. Don’t worry about church, hypocrites, and blinding giving your money away to the preacher. The Lord will deal with all of those things in His time. All you have to do is focus on YOUR personal relationship with Christ. And THAT is what Christianity is about. Until then I will be praying for you….

P.S. I reread you post and I don’t think I ever really answered your original question. You asked what does the church have against sex??? Well to answer (briefly)…all of the Church members that I know absolutely love sex and think it’s great: “nudity, moaning, groaning, and pleasure” included. We are just in agreement with God that we should wait until we are married.

@ CMEEZ - you said:
Plus I really feel that God forbids certain things for a reason. Not because he is a mean God but because He wants to protect us. He wants to protect us from: STD’s, unwanted pregnancies, having to make decisions regarding abortion, children growing up in single parent households, and getting our feelings crushed when the person we have shared ourselves with decides to leave.
this may hold true for today but what about just 20 years ago when most of the things you mentioned weren’t even an issue…what was God’s intentions then? also i dont really see your answer to Ginger’s original question…

@meatloaf

i have no beef (no pun intended) with you but have been reading your posts and will say this
how can you critize homosexuality when catholic preists are the biggest butt f****** around
YEAH I SAID IT

Wow. I’ve stayed away from this post for a few days now thinking it would die down. But I see it hasn’t. Nonetheless, with all jokes aside, all of you, especially Cmeez, Ginger, Meatloaf & Nix, have done a tremendous job of explaining your points of views. Sometimes it came across a little crass, sometimes mixed with humor, sometimes just outright vulgar and sarcastic, but you all have stated your cause clearly and concisely.

Why I am I even pointing this out? Because I really appreciate the dialogue. We get a little crazy here on the Loop at times and we get caught up in discussing silly, unimportant things. And that’s cool because we need a balance of fun and seriousness. But it’s mad refreshing to see that we can dialogue intelligently when we need to. The fact that you guys can even communicate like this is the bomb. That’s my word.

Nobody is going to chage anyone else’s mind here and I know that’s not the goal. But be grateful for the power of speech and feel proud that you can reach somebody through your words. Some young person on here seeks guidance, whether you know it or not. And your exchange is giving them a LOT of food for thought, good or bad.

I appreciate ya’ll and I hope ya’ll can finally agree to disgaree so we can get back to hating/loving on Beyonce and the rest of these tired celebrities. :0)

One!

Thanks Ms_MAC1 and whoever else cared to listen. Im going to make this my last post on this topic because you are right, we can’t change people and I think we’ve all said just about everything that could be said on the topic.

Last thing though @ Nix:

You may want to consider researching the history of those reasons that I listed as to why God tells us not to fornicate. You will find that most, if not all of those issues, have been around waaaaaay longer than 20 years. Some possibly since the beginning of time. Everything else you mentioned can be answered by rereading the posts.

Have a great day CL…

Well said MS_MAC1, well said.

I can honestly say that I have laughed, I’ve gotten angry, but most importantly, I’ve learned a lot from ALL your discussions!

I applaud you all, regardless of who thinks whose theory is right or wrong. You guys really got me to thinking, and I for one appreciate that. I sat back and read with an open mind and realized that you all are some pretty fucking articulate ass people.

Now that’s a good look!

#476 NIX asked:

“how can you critize homosexuality when catholic preists are the biggest butt f****** around
YEAH I SAID IT ”

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First of all, they are not the biggest! Pityboy and his buddies are Grand Prize Winners! Catholic priests are no slouches when it come to molestation! I spoke against it many times!

Here’s the deal: Catholisism is a religon in error with its practice of celibacy and abstenance! They can’t practice what they preach! Most religions have some errors, but the Catholic priest are institutional and notorious when it comes to alter boys.

God calls men to be priest, but the Catholic rules say that he must not marry or have sex! Those who don’t molest young boys, either sleep with each other, jerk off, or frequent the nuns sleeping quarters. I’ve heard stories of babies aborted and buried in back of the nuns courtyard!

It’s the rules of the Catholic church that causes the problem…not anything that God ordained! God made women for man! He said be fruitful and multiply!

In short, I hate those child-molesters with the same passion as any other man-on-man madness! But, I know that not all of them do it and I know they are trying to change the rules! Fewer priest would rape boys if they could marry!

I still don’t call Catholics a cult like the JWs…I just consider them a bible based church with major flaws! I fault the good priest for covering up the rapes!

My position against homos is consitent!

CMEEZ,

I hope you don’t leave this blog, because you’re getting an A+ for the Semister grade!

a year? sounds like a long time. I agree with number 1. great example for younger children/adults. maybe not a year but…

I hope the sex was all that considering both of them waited that loooooooooooong.

i don’t think i could wait that long..

LOOK AT THEM MOTHAFUCKAS WRITING DISSERTATIONS. ALICIA KEYS AINT BONING NONE YALL. KERRY AINT BONING NONE OF YALL. NONE OF YALL ARE GOD SO LET HIM DO HIS JOB. A SIN IS A SIN IS A MOTHERFUCKING SIN. EVERYBODY IN THIS BITCH LIED AT LEAST ONCE IN THEIR LIVES ITS NO DIFFERENT FROM FORNICATION ITS A SIN TOO. ALL YALL DROOLING OVER MARRIED MALE AND FEMALE CELEBRITIES ON THIS VERY SITE ARE SINNING TOO. ALL YALL TOUCHING YOURSELVES ARE FUCKING SINNING TOO. IM ALL FOR WAITING UNTIL MARRIAGE BUT DECISIONS AND CHOICES ARE PERSONAL. IM NOT RUNNING HER LIFE. YOU ARE NOT RUNNING HERS EITHER. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? THE GIRL WAITED AT LEAST A YEAR IN THIS WORLD OF LUST AND TEMPTATIONS FOR ONE MAN AND ISNT FUCKING AROUND WITH 20 DIFFERENT GUYS LIKE A RABBIT. SHE IS NOT A SLUT. SO YALL NEED TO CHILL SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SUCK A GOOD ONE.

ONE!!!

^^^^ Wow, you said a sin is a sin but turned around and said shes not a slut because she waited a year? If a sin is a sin waiting a year doesnt make her any different from a woman who waited 5 minutes. She still fucked him without a ring. No disrespect just confused by what you said.

^^^^ Wow, you said a sin is a sin but turned around and said shes not a slut because she waited a year? If a sin is a sin waiting a year doesnt make her any different from a woman who waited 5 minutes. She still fucked him without a ring. No disrespect just confused by what you said.

^^ A SLUT IS SOMEONE THAT FUCKS AROUND MALE OR FEMALE. A FORNICATOR IS SOMEONE WHO HAS SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. ALL SLUTS ARE FORNICATORS. ALL FORNICATORS ARE NOT SLUTS. BOTH ARE SINNERS. SHE DID NOT FUCK AROUND SO SHE IS NOT. SHE IS A SINNER WHO IS COMMITTED TO ONE MAN, KERRY IS A SINNER TOO COMMITTED TO ONE WOMAN. FORNICATORS AND SINNERS YES, BUT SLUTS NO BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF A SLUT IS SOMEONE WHO FUCKS AROUND. UNLESS YOU SEEN THEM FUCKING AROUND YOU CANT CALL THEM SLUTS.

To wait a year and find out the sex was trash.what a tragedy. And why a even year why cant it be 10 months or 8 months and three weeks.She just happen to feel it was the right time after 365 days.sounds like a control thing to me

I see we’re still living in a very judgemental, extremely machist and partriarcal society.

This woman waited a year because SHE WANTED TO.

She made the choice to GIVE IT to him after a year because, guess what everyone? SHE WANTED TO.

If SHE doesn’t have a problem with it why even complain? If HE doesn’t have a problem with it, why even complain? If HE didn’t respect her he would NOT have been with her all these years.

These people calling this girl a slut as if she’s f*cking everything with a d*ck, yall are nothing but some “hollier than thou” “I’m higher and above all of you” type of miserable people with SERIOUS delusions of grandeur. Alicia is grown enough to make her own decisions and do what SHE WANTS TO.

Furthermore, if GOD had a problem with it, would she be the amazing and successful artist she is today? Would she prosper and have such a positive impact in this world? FIRST album - 10 million sold, that’s HISTORY. Second album, still selling, 9 mil, no sophomore jinx. If GOD doesn’t have a problem with it, WHY THE HECK do you still discuss her choices?

Another thing, ever crossed your CLOSED minds that MAYBE, just - MAYBE Alicia doesn’t care about being married? MAYBE she doesn’t EVEN believe in marriage? MAYBE she has already been proposed by her man but is not ready yet? It’s really a man-made mentality to think that ALL WOMEN want to be married and their entire world and actions revolves around “trapping a man”.

Last, just because she’s not a virgin before marriage doesn’t men HE WILL NOT marry her. Some of y’all are 50 years late. That argument is totally ridiculous. In fact, non-virgins get that ring too, and A LOT of 45-year-old virgins have YET to find a man to marry them. Nas and Kelis anyone?

And I’m a churchgoer but I’ll be DAMNED if I called anybody all names in a book for the simple fact that they don’t see life and spirituality the way I see it.

None of yall run her life. None of y’all KNOW her life, and why she made the decision that she made. God obviously blesses that woman on a daily, so she must be doing something right.

You people are so damn judgemental its sickening.

And at the end of the day, gay people aren’t harming anyone with their sexual orientation. They’re humans like YOU and I and they are not beneath ANYONE OF YOU. I don’t care how many times you go to church and how many Bible scriptures you know by heart, YOU ARE NOT GOD.

You may not agree with homosexuality, doesn’t mean you have to bash it and despise gay people.

You may not agree with premarit