bill
shhhhh how do you know i get my bootlegs on the ave
lol

in all fairness i would be ok with it
its not like the govt dont sneak into my pockets now
BEFORE I EVEN GET MY DAMN CHECK
at least as an artist i would see advance money
but anyway to my understanding the record companies are the biggest crooks out there so i can buy beyonces cd’s or janets cd’s but their real money comes in from concerts, endorsements, etc…

im pretty some people are natural entrepreneurs but lets face it the real reason most put out their own clothing lines, shoes, perfumes etc…
is mo money mo money mo money
and if they were getting sufficient funds from just selling albums alone they wouldnt be bothered

It’s said that you think people with disabilities is just some other shyt that just shows what kind of person you are.

NOT SOME OTHER SHYT YOUR BRINGING UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO POINT
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IGNORANCE AT ITS BEST

MY SISTER IS NOT SOME OTHE SHIT NEITHER ARE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND THE OTHER THINGS I MENTIONED.

Everybody in Brooklyn cops cd/dvd bootlegs off the ave…

Heck People drive in from Jersey to copy Gucci off the Ave..
Those African’s are Legendary and real NICE with their prices (3 DVD’s for $20) !!!

WHy the hell would you want to buy those cds anyway?

The music industry does not make as much money as the movie industry regardless or not if their cds leaked or not.

A rapper was talking about on tv, that is why they have to do other things like, concerts shows etc.

Because even if you go Diamond you still have to pay for the videos, manager etc. Whereas an Actor can get paid 10-20 million for a role.

AISH AND SHERRY ..you guys are really ignorant..YOU DONT ADRRESS THE POINTS I MAKE YOU JUST TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT..

I NEVER MENTIONED THAT THE ACTRESS SHOULD BE AMERICAN AND BASICALLY I SAID THE OTHER SHYT DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE..YOU KEEP BRINGING UP OTHER SHYT.

I SWEAR DEBATING WITH YOU IS LIKE DEBATING WITH BUSH

do u even UNDERSTAND MY POINT?

I could’ve sworn I said I am in a Black theatre class and I know of the struggles, but they are not the only ones. hmmmmm maybe you can’t read.

GOTTA LOVE BROOKLYN!

me - BLACK ACTRESSES HAVE STRUGGLED

YOU- WELL WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

ME - IM TALKING ABOUT THE POST HERE, NOT ANOTHER ISSUE,THE FACT THAT THEIR HAS BEEN A HISTORY OF THIS AND IN THE PAST IT HAS BEEN A MAJOR PROBLEM AND STRUGGLE.

YOU - OTHER RACES HAVE STRUGGLED.

CMON STOP JUMPING TO OTHER ISSUES BECAUSE YOU CANT ARGUE WITH THE FACT THAT THIS WAS AND IS AN ISSUE FOR MINORITY ACTORS AND ACTRESSES

YEAH SHERRY BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MY POINT?????

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE STRUGGLE BUT THE POST IS NOT ABOUT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES OR OTHER ISSUES..AND MY POINT WAS NOT EITHER…DUDE ARE YOU BUSH’S DAUGHTER?

You have some nerve when you are not even adressing the other SHYt as you call it, and none of the sutff that you are bringing up is relevant to the convo either we are talking abot this role and this movie and actors , but you are bringing up STUFF that happened a long time ago.

ANd if you say it is relevant to the topic

then I think that gays , overweight and all the othir things Shelly mentioned is relevant too.

Point Blank I ‘m not about to sit up here and argue with you becasue you think that EVERYthing is racist and I am not going to try and FORCE my ideas on you.

Becasue I don’t see anything wrong with her playing a character who is not fully Black anyway and who gave her her blessings.

NOw that is the issue. You keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago. Yes Blacks have struggles along with a whole lot of other people , but in THIS CASE I don’t see what the big deal is.

@ Bill—do I sense sarcasm? Lol

Anywho—yes, in about every area that counts (even if previous blogs) I do agree with you that we pretty much agree to disagree…normally if I can understand where someone is coming from, then I can pretty much respect their postion, but since I can’t (w/ u in this topic) then I can’t. (or maybe I wont, but I think of myself as pretty fair-minded)

@PittBBoi—I thought AJ sucked in Girl Interrupted as well (yet, I Liked the movie—just a little weird) and in a few other dramas, I also thought she sucked (these are ALL of which I saw her in)….nuthing about those performances was stellar…so, to me, she is a stunt double with a movie career….also, I was agreeing WITH you on the coloring thing….i mean, ppl do it all the time in Tanning booths all the time.

***This whole scenario reminds me of the Ice Cube produced show Black/White on ABC Family Channel…where the families switched races…I thought that was hella wrong on BOTH sides of the equation—and VERY stereotypical…***

I think instead of focusing on the past the ONLy thing would be relevant is talking about this PARTICULAR movie not about other struggles or the struggles of 10-20 years ago.

SO IMO NONE OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TOPIC AT HAND

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

AISHA AND SHERRY ..IF YOU CANT SEE THAT BLACK ACTESSES STRUGGLED TO GET ROLES IN THE PAST AND WE STILL STRUGGLE TODAY THEN IM WASTING MY ENERGY ON IGNORANCE.

THE PAST DOES AFFECT US ….IN THE PAST WHITE ACTRESSES WERE CAST AS BLACK WOMEN CONSTANTLY AND BLACK WOMEN COULD NOT GET WORK……

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THIS POST!!!!!!!!!

I don’t see anything wrong with it. If Marianne is okay with it then that is HER being portrayed and NOT us.

Point Blank I ‘m not about to sit up here and argue with you becasue you think that EVERYthing is racist and I am not going to try and FORCE my ideas on you.

Becasue I don’t see anything wrong with her playing a character who is not fully Black anyway and who gave her her blessings.

NOw that is the issue. You keep bringing up stuff that happened years ago. Yes Blacks have struggles along with a whole lot of other people , but in THIS CASE I don’t see what the big deal is.

THIS IS WHAT I SAID AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID

AISHA AND SHERRY ..IF YOU CANT SEE THAT BLACK ACTESSES STRUGGLED TO GET ROLES IN THE PAST AND WE STILL STRUGGLE TODAY THEN IM WASTING MY ENERGY ON IGNORANCE.

THE PAST DOES AFFECT US ….IN THE PAST WHITE ACTRESSES WERE CAST AS BLACK WOMEN CONSTANTLY AND BLACK WOMEN COULD NOT GET WORK……

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THIS POST!!!!!!!!!

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AS YOU CAN SEE IA CKNOWLEDGE BLACKS STRUGGLING IN THE PAST , but she keeps bringing it up and refuse to acknowledge the situation at hand with THIS MOVIE AND THIS ROLE>LMAO

TOO TOTS you should write MAriane a letter and express your opinions, you are a little to hyped on the internet over people you don’t even know.

Frankly in THIS movie and THIS situation , I don’t see the big deal.

Mariane Pearl (born Mariane van Neyenhoff)

Mariane is of Afro-Cuban and Dutch ancestry, and was raised in Paris, France. She is a freelance journalist who met Daniel Pearl while he was on assignment in Paris; they married in August 1999. They lived in Bombay, India, where he was the Wall Street Journal’s South Asia bureau chief, later traveling to Karachi, Pakistan to cover aspects of the war on terrorism.

Thankx Wikipedia.

So… what does African American actresses have to do with a FRENCH woman and a WHITE man?

Proves the point that some people’s arguements are truly baseless. The only thing AMERICAN about the production is Brad and Angie.

“Well, she’s Afro- Cubano. There should be a BLACK person playing her…”

If that was the case then Dorthy Dandridge could have been played by a Nigerian and see how many black people would be quick to say “Hell No” or like Whitney would say “Hell to the Naw… they need to go purify in the river and rethink them thoughts!!!”

Not saying that black women don’t need more positive roles in the industry, because I loathe Gabrielle Union’s role in Nip/Tuck, but fight the battle where it needs to be fought. Like a discussion on GABRIELLE UNION’s role in NIP/TUCK. Now she really set us back so decades… “You gotta buy me off from masta’s so I can belong to you another f’ing WHITE MAN!!!”

This is definitely blown out of proportion and why is the topic changing to a history of America…ummm that really doesn’t have much to do with this post.

Anyway, I’m not interested in seeing this movie.

wHAT IS SO DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ROLE?

ANGELINA IS A WHITE WOMAN , PLAYING A MIXED RACE CHARACTER

WHAT ELSE HAVE I SAID WAS RACIST? I DONT THINK EVERYTHING IS RACIST. THE FACT IS WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. I AM AN ACTRESS, MY MOTHER IS AN ACTRESS, MY GRANDMOTHER WAS AN ACTRESS. THIS HITS CLOSE TO HOME. I HAVE FRIENDS WHO COULD HAVE PLAYED THE PART.

I AM WELL CULTURED AND EDUCATED AND KNOW THAT IM TIRED OF SEEING WHITE ACTORS WITH PAINTED BLACK FACES AND AFRO WIGS

HAutia someone already posted that.

Should White Actors Be Allowed To Play Characters Of Other Races?

Mounting local ordinances in Britain barring white actors from wearing dark makeup in order to portray characters from other ethnic groups have resulted in the cancellation of the musical South Pacific in Rotherham, touching off an angry debate over such bans, the British Guardian newspaper reports. The ban applies to performances in all public buildings, including schools. A similar ordinance in another city prevented actors playing slaves in Showboat from wearing dark makeup last August. Mark Pemberton, chief executive of the National Operatic and Dramatics Association (NODA), told the newspaper that such regulations were an over-the-top reaction and that in many areas non-white actors to portray such roles simply are unavailable. He warned that the result is that such classics as West Side Story will simply not be produced any longer. However Topher Campbell, of London’s Talawa black theater group commented, “It is fundamentally racist to have white actors ‘blacking up’ for black parts. That belongs to the 19th century.”

It’s VERY obvious…as I stated that It DOESNT MATTER A FLYING HELL WHAT THE LADY WANTED….SHE IS NOT DISHING OUT ANY CASH AND IT IS VERY NAIIVE FOR PPL TO SUGGEST THAT SHE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH AJ OR JA (ha ha, they are complete opposites!) BEING CAST TO PLAY HER….IT WAS PRODUCTION/CASTING’S DECISION….IF SHE WANTED HER STORY TO BE TOLD—friends w/ Brangelina or not—IT WAS GOING TO BE PRODUCTION’S WAY OR NO WAY!!!!!!!!!

Also, enough with this “blind-casting” mumbo jumbo….the term means that a character has no physical affiliation to live up to: I.E.: Grey’s Anatomy….I dont see Isaiah Washington all made-up in white make-up nor do you see Patrick Dempsey all blackened-up….Kate Walsh doesnt have tape around her eyelids to portray an Asian and Sandra Oh hasn’t had her eyelids surgically implanted or her hair died blonde so that she can be a white woman!!!!!!

So for ppl who say that you should “believe tha character” no matter who plays it…looks at the dynamics of G.A. (there may be better examples, but this is the first to come up in my mind.) Do you not believe that IW is a head surgeon b/c he is Blk..or that KW is a good resident b/c she is blonde???? Blind-casting means that you get ppl who can portray the life/role of the character….and that the CHARACTER does not (INITALLY, anyways) have an associated RACE!!!! Thanx!

I’m sick of us saying that EVRYTHING is racist some things are,but this isn’t do anyof you know what Racist mean. uummm I don’t think so. A Mixed woman playing another mixed woman with the other mixed woman’s blessing is not Racist.

If you guys didn’t know ANgelina is mixed and part FRENCH and Iroqius.

Halle Berry is playing a white woman in an upcoming movie. Will the African American community get upset about that? I think not. DOUBLE STANDARD.

Please excuse the above typos, etc…. (for my last post)

Too Tots is hypocrtitcal bringing up other shyt that doesn’t have anything to do with this movie.

MISSINFROMER

There is a difference she did not cast AJ., BUT SHE GAVE HER HER BLESSING, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON”T DO THAT.

FOr example, RagingBull, the real person did not give his blessings.

The original WIlly Wonka the Author of the book did not like it or give his blessings

MISSINFORMER there are a lot of people who don’t give their blessings , but she did. sure she did not cast her, but she gave her blessings.

#327…I am upset about that! It makes no Dayum sense…y??? Okay, so she is half-white—-that doesnt make her white just as sure as her being half-black makes her all black! I have no double-standard here…..it would have been fine if this were not a biopic and Halle were portraying a character who went through all of this….but this is a real woman…I’m sure just the same that she “gave her blessing” to Halle, but what alternative did she have? Money talks!

There are equally talented WHITE Actresses that could have played this woman (Michelle Pheifer—chick from Dangerous Minds)—-y choose a woman who CLEARLY does not even Look white? When ppl start doing strange things like this, it makes me worry for the future Hollywood….what, now is everyone going to be depicting another race? This is B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

ANGELINA JOLIE IS NOT MIXED SHE IS WHITE WITH A LIL INDIAN AS MOST AMERICANS HAVE A LLIL INDIAN BLOOD

#329 & 330—I clearly see your points….However, mine may not be as clear as I would like it to be… and I am not sure how to word it right now, so I will think of it and then re-post. At least I can conjure up this: It doesn’t, in the least bit seem coincidental to me that at first, Brad’s former wife was supposed to play this role, and now, Angelina Jolie (his live-in girlfriend) is filming for the part…I jsutthink she gave her blessing to Brad, he is the common denominator.

Hautia:

That isn’t Gabrielle Union in Nip/Tuck. That’s Sanaa Lathan.

And I personally think she’s acting her ass off on that show. Just because she’s playing a slut doesn’t mean she’s “setting black people back”.

And Too Tots, honey, it’s really hard to believe you when you say you’re educated when you type in all caps.

Why is it that, when someone says mixed-race, all you can see is the black? I swear, black people are the only ones who do that, nowadays. This French woman does NOT have to appease our American sensibilities. She may not have had a say-so in the casting, but the fact that she has gone on record saying she’s glad Angelina is playing the role is enough.

Too Tot, you can be so offensive.

Angelina Jolie is not “white with a lil indian”

She’s is 1/4 indian. Believe it or not that’s a lot. That means one of her granparents is full indian. That means she can trace her roots. and considering a lot of traits skip a generation, I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets a lot of her looks from that grandparent.

http://www.cinemovies.fr/...s/d/daniel_pearl_couv.jpg

here’s the cover of the woman’s book.

Yes, she sure does look black as tar, don’t she…

Totots Angelina is French, Canadian , Native American and German ( we don’t use the word INDIAN anymore)

If that ain’t mixed I don’t know what is.

For someone who claims to be so educated you should know that INDIAN is an offensive term for Native Americans.

LOL @ Pittbboi—She looks gorgeous on that cover!!!!

#334 I’m sorry Sanaa, and I wouldn’t like if a White woman would have played that role and that’s just me being a female. But her being BLACK should make her aware as how we are present in roles today, like Player’s Club, a movie I couldn’t stand to sit through and didn’t.

Then Lisa Raye and other want to have a forum about our role in the industry, but you choose to iniate your big screen career in those particular roles. Don’t develope morals now.

The script could have easily been about a Woman more less Black one coming into power and marrying out of … LOVE, but then again that’s not good drama, I guess.

Let’s just AGREE to DISAGREE.

Her exotic good looks may derive from her mixed ancestry which is Czech, French-Canadian, Iroquois and English.

This is from IMDB NOT WIKIPEDIA( WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS ACCURATE CUZ ANYONE CAN CHANGE IT)

A MIXED PERSON CAN BE ENGLISH AND FRENCH. SO ANGELINA IS A MIXED WOMAN PLAYING ANOTHER MIXED WOMAN>

And why do ppl keep saying that this woman is “half French”—it is not a race, it is an ethnicity—-you are either all or None….same w/ Hispanic, German, Indonesian, etc…..you can be Wht and German/Native American….or half Blk, half white and Hispanic & French….u can pretty much be anything you want to be and say it how you feel…but in all correctness, you CANNOT be part French! Ethnicities are all or none you can have more than one but not less that a whole! but hey that’s just IMHO

Excuse the typos

WHoare you talking about? Mariane is from FRANCE so her NAtionality is French and she is WHOLE FRENCH cuz she aint’ AMERICAN.

341:

I think people are pointing out the fact that she’s French because, well, France is another country and SOME people *cough*too tots*cough* seem to think the black experience is the same no matter where you’re from. And that isn’t the case at all. ESPECIALLY when you look as white as Mariane Pearl does. I have white friends who didn’t even know she was part black at all until I mentioned this mess.

Not pointing people out but I have to disagree. There is no racial divide in France in terms of “Oh, that’s a black Frenchmen”. They are known as an open community.

“French” is a nationality, and not a specific ethnicity.”

Thankx Wikipedia.

That is in their constitution. Lord do I wish it was in ours.

Pittbboi—thanx! Now, I see. And, I fully agree with you that the Black experience is not the same all over the world…I took German for 4 years and I learned that Afro-Germans and blacks/African Americans lead different lives (and are even treated differently when in Germany)…so I can fully understand your POV.

#343—I was talking about ppl who are saying that Angelina and Marriene are “part French”…PS: even is French weren’t her Nationality, she’d still be French if she had French heritage—so they are different.

That’s exactly the point I think people are trying to make, Hautia.

Okay, sometimes I have to break it down so I’LL understand it.

Thank you for telling me I have the general concensus.

#345….read the disclaimer….Wikipedia is NOT by any means a validated source of Information….if it were then many ppl are effing up their Constitution….

IE: I have several White Friends who claim the following:

race: white/caucasian
Ethnicity: French
Nationality: American

***They have grandparents who were born and raised in France. but neither their parents nor they were raised in France, however, it is a part of their heritage. Maybe you are correct though, but saying that you have European Ancestry (ethnicity) is just as vague as African….where from? what part of Africa? What country?***

So, I cannot change my mind about French being BOTH ethnicity and a nationality….I’m just stubborn in this manner….

Just like some Jewish ppl believe that if you believe in Jesus Christ, you are NOT Jewish—because they think that Jewish is a RELIGION

While other Jeweish ppl feel that Jewish is an Ethnicity and a RACE!

***Plz excuse all typos!

PITTBOI I DIDNOT SAY THE BLACK EXPERIENCE IS THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT STILL AMAZES ME HOW WHAT I SAY IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT ….

GEESH

Me again…Surprise, surprise!

#345….read the disclaimer….Wikipedia is NOT by any means a validated source of Information….if it were then many ppl are effing up their Constitution….

IE: I have several White Friends who claim the following:

race: white/caucasian
Ethnicity: French
Nationality: American

***They have grandparents who were born and raised in France. but neither their parents nor they were raised in France, however, it is a part of their heritage. Maybe you are correct though, but saying that you have European Ancestry (ethnicity) is just as vague as African….where from? what part of Africa? What country?***

So, I cannot change my mind about French being BOTH ethnicity and a nationality….I’m just stubborn in this manner….

Just like some Jewish ppl believe that if you believe in Jesus Christ, you are NOT Jewish—because they think that Jewish is a RELIGION

While other Jeweish ppl feel that Jewish is an Ethnicity and a RACE!

***Plz excuse all typos!

SHOULD A WHITE WOMAN PLAY A BLACK ACTRESS ..CONSIDERING THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE…

IN MANY COUNTRIES NOT JUST AMERICA!!!!

WHY do other races put on black faces when playing us but when we play the part we dont paint a white face or slant our eyes?

Hollywood shuffle: with white men calling the shots, Black women have no reel power
Essence, March, 1997 by Isabel Wilerson
A willowy actress the color of earth is making her way through the golden dream set of a Hollywood premiere. She has just had her big break, starring in a docudrama about starlets trying to make it in the big time. And this is the celebration, the glorious bath of hugs and backslaps and half-jealous exclamations of “Dahling, you were fabulous!” The woman in question has the cheekbones of an African sculpture and the full goddess lips that some blondes in Hollywood pay a whole lot of money for. She is trying to get her bearings when a White agent pulls her aside to give her some advice. “Listen,” he says, convinced it’s for her own good. “You’re obviously the most talented girl up there. But you’re not going to work in this town. You’re a nigger Black, and in this town, we like the Vanessa Williams type.”

This is what actually happened to Tyra Ferrell, who, after that unwanted advice 13 years ago, went on to a solid acting career, playing the single mother who loses her son in Boyz N the Hood, the proper love interest of a White storekeeper in Jungle Fever, the glamorous owner of the beauty shop in Poetic Justice and the wife opposite Wesley Snipes in White Men Can’t Jump, among other roles. If the world were a different place, today she would probably be a Black Susan Sarandon to Angela Bassett’s, say, Meryl Streep. But the world–and Hollywood, according to more than a dozen Black actresses and directors interviewed about their experiences–has yet to figure out what to make of Black women and how to present full and accurate portrayals on-screen. And it has less to do with the Tyra-versus-Vanessa, dark-versus-light craziness the small-minded agent alluded to than with what Hollywood will do with either one of them.

Hollywood is a complicated machine that sends the rest of America an image of itself through the eyes of the White men who run the place. And for Black women, that historically has meant being cast at the margins as either caretaker to the White characters or as a sassy bit of exotica. It is a measure of Hollywood’s narrow vision of Black women’s roles that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has nominated only 14 Black women out of nearly 700 nominations for best actress and best supporting actress in the 70 years since the first Oscar was awarded for the 1927-23 film season. Only two Black women have actually won and never as leading ladies–Hattie McDaniel for her role as Mammy in Gone With the Wind and Whoopi Goldberg as the screwball psychic in Ghost. Ultimately, both were rewarded for playing caretakers tending to the needs of the White lead characters.

Just as race relations are more muddled and contradictory in the 1990’s, with Blacks present in virtually every aspect of American life but few in control of very much–and most still struggling to survive–so is the big Hollywood mirror. Clearly we’ve come a long way from the days when Black characters were summarily edited out of movies in southern theaters or when the best role a Black woman could get was being maid to Miss Scarlett. On its face, the past year or so was a time to celebrate: Waiting to Exhale opened number one at the box office and made more than $65 million, thanks in part to the legions of Black women who went two and three times to make sure it did well. It was a Black woman (Whoopi Goldberg again) who presided over last year’s Oscars. And a whole new class of young Black actresses seemed to be everywhere in major roles, from Theresa Randle in Girl 6 to Vanessa Williams in Eraser to Halle Berry in The Rich Man’s Wife to Queen Latifah, Vivica Fox and Jada Pinkett in Set It Off.

“Black women historically have been presented as either subhuman or superhuman. says Dianne Houston, the first Black woman nominated for an Oscar in directing for her short film Tuesday Morning Ride. “Now we are starting to emerge as simply human, and that’s a wonderful thing.”

At the same time, there’s another bittersweet reality. Last year no Black actors or actresses were nominated for an Oscar during a time with perhaps more major roles for African-Americans than in recent memory. The post-Exhale explosion of sista movies many Black actresses hoped for hasn’t materialized. Some say the Hollywood powers-that-be still dismiss the success of Exhale as a fluke. But, more disturbing, some of the most talented Black actresses say that no matter how strong a part they get, one thing does not seem to lead to another like it does for talented White actresses. Because, old-timers say, the world according to Hollywood starts with the White hero (Schwarzenegger, Cruise, Harrison Ford, take your pick) and adds everybody else like interchangeable Lego pieces.

“Hollywood has perfected the formula of the White male hero with the White girlfriend and the Black male mentor or sidekick with no visible love life,” says veteran TV actress Ellen Holly author of the recent memoir One Life. “You see Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman in Seven, or Harrison Ford and James Earl Jones in Clear and Present Danger. You see the White hero making millions, positioned against a young White female nobody they can hire for spit and a Black celibate sidekick. Where is the Black woman in this? Scrambling.”

cARE TO READ THE REST HERES THE LINK:
http://www.findarticles.c...64/is_n11_v27/ai_19136206

And for Black women, that historically has meant being cast at the margins as either caretaker to the White characters or as a sassy bit of exotica. It is a measure of Hollywood’s narrow vision of Black women’s roles that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has nominated only 14 Black women out of nearly 700 nominations for best actress and best supporting actress in the 70 years since the first Oscar was awarded for the 1927-23 film season. Only two Black women have actually won and never as leading ladies–Hattie McDaniel for her role as Mammy in Gone With the Wind and Whoopi Goldberg as the screwball psychic in Ghost. Ultimately, both were rewarded for playing caretakers tending to the needs of the White lead characters.

aND NOW HALLE

Loretta Devine is mulling this over in front of a plate of chicken and dumplings at an L.A. restaurant. “For us, we always have to start over,” she says. Just the day before she had auditioned for a role she did not think she would get. She has a master’s in fine arts from Brandeis, and after 20 years in the business, after Broadway and even after Exhale, she still has to go out for casting calls and wonder if “she’ll get it.” She is taller and thinner than you expect, and not easily recognizable at first because of the braids hanging down her shoulders and because, in her eminent practicality, she is driving a Ford Contour, which it’s hard to imagine somebody recently in a major motion picture driving. In her baby-powder voice, she explains the reality: “You may have been a star in the show, and the next month you’re auditioning with the people who were extras. And it can be embarrassing if you’re not ready for it.”

Too Tot! I like ur research and the way you logically (which I cant seem to do here) think! Wat’s ur AIM SN again???!! —Very interesting articles…thank you!

Should a MIXed woman play another Mixed woman . YEs.

Since the end of the Second World War, France has become an ethnically diverse country. Today, approximately five percent of the French population is non-European and non-white. This does not approach the number of non-white citizens in the United States (roughly 15-25%, depending on how Latinos are classified). Nevertheless, it amounts to at least three million people, and has forced the issues of ethnic diversity onto the French policy agenda. France has developed an approach to dealing with ethnic problems that stands in contrast to that of many advanced, industrialized countries. Unlike the United States, Britain, or even the Netherlands, France maintains a “color-blind” model of public policy. This means that it targets virtually no policies directly at racial or ethnic groups. Instead, it uses geographic or class criteria to address issues of social inequalities. It has, however, developed an extensive anti-racist policy repertoire since the early 1970s. Until recently, French policies focused primarily on issues of hate speech—going much further than their American counterparts-and relatively less on issues of discrimination in jobs, housing, and in provision of goods and services.

http://www.brookings.edu/fp/cusf/analysis/race.htm

Sorry I took so long I was looking for a credible source you can rely on. I KNEW from personal experience because my father took me and they thought me silly to say I’m AFRICAN American. For the record, I think Wikipedia is a wonderful tool.

Thanks Hautia Wikipedia is great , but the their are a lot of BSers on there too a lot of time people don’t site their sources, like I could go on their and say Mariane is half latino.

Also I’m not saying that there is no racism in France. I’m not saying it would be nice to say I’m american like my white friend. I love my heritage and believe you me I can trace back and I pride myself because I know where I actually come from, but if I’m African American, what is my white friend because he doesn’t go “Well, I’m caucasian American.”

I’m just saying if we identified as one nation, maybe it would release “some” tension between the race.

I think tootots ifailing to realize or don’t want to admit that both of these women are mixed.

THERE NOT THE SAME MIX..

So its preferable to you if a woman mixed with black and korean is played by a latin and white woman …hey there both mixed so whats the big deal…

What I think you fail to realize is that has nothing to do with the point i am trying to make. Once again another person wants to take what I said out of context and not address the real ISSUE..

OK so Angelina is 1/4 Indian…..

WTF are her Afro roots….

Remember John Voight is her dad and her mom is supposedly 1/2 native american

WOW HERE IS AN ACTUAL ARTICLE ON THE DEBATE

http://www.mixedmediawatc...gs-is-not-like-the-other/

http://www.mixedmediawatc...gs-is-not-like-the-other/

GREAT COMMENT:
I disagree about it just being an issue of there being few roles for women of color. The film is about real life, a moment in history. If a film of the assasination of JFK were filmed with Denzel Washington as Bobby Kennedy or Lee Harvey Oswald would that be okay?

Similarly, if Nancy Reagan thought it was important to get a wide audience to see a biographical film about her husband’s first years in office and she wanted a popular older actor to play Ron, do you think it would be reasonable if Morgan Freeman played the role?

Regardless of what Ms Pearl thinks, when someone is creating a film about a real life moment, they should try to bring as much truth to the project as possible. Race matters in the U.S. If someone decides to make an interracial couple single race(d?), then that takes away a lot about their relationship. Lots of people say race doesn’t matter in a relationship, but they’re kidding themselves. It plays out in subtle and sometimes direct ways. Skirting the issue does a disservice to everyone.

Posted 17 Jul 2006 at 12:55 pm ¶

I disagree about it just being an issue of there being few roles for women of color. The film is about real life, a moment in history. If a film of the assasination of JFK were filmed with Denzel Washington as Bobby Kennedy or Lee Harvey Oswald would that be okay?

Similarly, if Nancy Reagan thought it was important to get a wide audience to see a biographical film about her husband’s first years in office and she wanted a popular older actor to play Ron, do you think it would be reasonable if Morgan Freeman played the role?

Regardless of what Ms Pearl thinks, when someone is creating a film about a real life moment, they should try to bring as much truth to the project as possible. Race matters in the U.S. If someone decides to make an interracial couple single race(d?), then that takes away a lot about their relationship. Lots of people say race doesn’t matter in a relationship, but they’re kidding themselves. It plays out in subtle and sometimes direct ways. Skirting the issue does a disservice to everyone.

Posted 17 Jul 2006 at 12:55 pm ¶

I suppose there are times when I think race blind casting is fine, but it seems to me that White people are usually the ones chosen in these race blind casting cases. There are exceptions–Rosie Perez in White Men Can’t Jump would be one.

However, it seems to me if we are representing a real person it would be nice to find someone who resembles them, which means the vast majority of the time the person is going to be from the same race.

I also wonder if the people casting this were uncomfortable with the idea of portraying an interracial relationship. This case is pretty pathetic.

Also, the whole notion that Angelina Jolie is mixed race. Oh, please. If your going to use that loose criteria-somewhere way back in their ancestry somebody was Indian–then I’m mixed too. We can’t say that it doesn’t matter that I was raised as a White person, look like a White person, and receive all of the privileges of a White person. I understand that there are White looking mixed race people, but there is a difference between living as a White person and looking like a White person.

You know I don’t have a problem with this. When Brad and Angelina adopted a black child that comes from a family destroyed by aids,not for publicity, a la Maddonna, but out of love and a big heart, so her and Brad earned more than a few get out of jail cards with me.A lot of us aren’t doing that, black or white, so a big “whatever” to those who want to diss her on this, many white celebrites wouldn’t even think of playing a black/multi cutural woman any way in fear of it hurting their image. Her name will pull in more viewers and get an important message across and that’s what it’s all about information correct?

What exactly is living like a white person?

and i wouldn’t call having a NATIVE AMERICAN GRANDPARENT waay back in your acestry.

IT IS NATIVE AMERICAN AN D NOT INDIAN YALL ARE SOOO IGNORANT.

Living as a white person ie the priveleges of being white in a racist society.

Wow since a white woman brings in more money , why not casts all white women in black roles?

Heck Jodi Foster brings in more money than Angela Bassett. So now its all about the benjamins

Tracy Ellis Ross or whatever her name is could have played this role

Too Tot, your comparisons are…stupid. Will you please move on to something else?

This isn’t the same as having Denzel Washington play a Kennedy on screen. That would be a matter of an OBVIOUSLY BLACK actor playing the role of an OBVIOUSLY WHITE person. People need to stop throwing those comparisons into this argument. It’s not the same.
Angelina Jolie is playing the part of a woman is bi-racial and looks mostly white.

“Regardless of what Ms Pearl thinks, when someone is creating a film about a real life moment, they should try to bring as much truth to the project as possible. Race matters in the U.S.”

Wrong for two reasons. One: it isn’t about how true the “making” of the film is to the actual events and people. It’s about how true the film ITSELF is to those events…which is why they darkened Jolie and gave her curly hair. Sometimes you can’t be as true as possible. I mean, if we’re going to take it there, where the Afro-Cuban and DUTCH female actress (from France) that could have played her? Face it, you’re just upset that the actress chosen wasn’t black, because all your arguments can be turned against you.

Two: Why should Mariane Pearl give a damn about the race dynamic in the US? The woman is from France.

“If someone decides to make an interracial couple single race(d?), then that takes away a lot about their relationship. Lots of people say race doesn’t matter in a relationship, but they’re kidding themselves. ”

Not only can this argument not stand on its own two feet, it doesn’t even belong in this topic. The point of this movie isn’t how Mariane and Daniel Pearl overcame the obstacles associated with interracial coupling. This is a story about the death of her husband. Her race doesn’t matter. It’s not the focal point of the film.

So just because her race isnt the focal point it is ok to cast white women over black actresses

ANGELINA JOLIE IS OBVIOUSLY WHITE

“Two: Why should Mariane Pearl give a damn about the race dynamic in the US? The woman is from France.”

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That IS A SAD STATEMENT…

I AM IN THE US AND I CARE ABOUT THE GENOCIDE IN AFRICA
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY DOESNT MEAN WE SHOULDNT CARE

id feel a way if this woman was black but she isnt, she is mixed, half italian or white i dunno. angelina’s lips are bigger than hers and her skin aint that much different in shade so she can almost look mixed, it aint like they paintin her black, shit