when did it become a crime to practice freedom of speach? our beloved president doesn’t agree with homosexuality. thats how he won the southern vote..promising to keep same sex marriages illegal..if Tim or anyone else doesn’t like gays..then thats that persons opinion. we all have prejudices..we all prejudge..based on life..give it a break..why can’t he express hisself..leave him alone.

I don’t like racist remarks, or homophobic remarks but I must say that EVEN if it is wrong and you shouldn’t say or feel that way don’t be a b-tch and let people pressure you and make you renig and say what you don’t really mean or feel. Think what you wanna think but sh-t stand your ground.

THIS IS REALLY SAD! I HAVE TO SAY THAT AS A BLACK, EDUCATED, GAY MALE THESE COMMENTS R A DISGRACE!!! FOR THOSE OF YOU ON HERE THAT FEEL AS THOUGH ONE CHOOSES TO BE GAY, U R SADLY MISTAKEN!! WE ARE BORN GAY JUST AS R BORN STRAIGHT AND WE DO NOT CHOOSE THIS LIFESTYLE!! AND FOR THE RECORD, JUST BECAUSE I AM GAY, DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WANT TO SUCK EVERY PENIUS THAT I SEE!!!! WHEN R U SO CALLED STRAIGHT MEN GOING TO REALIZE THAT? I HAVE MANY STRAIGHT MALE FRIENDS AND THEY R COMPLETLY COMFORTABLE AROUND ME AND DO NOT FEEL LIKE I AM GOING TO COME TO THEM N ANY WAY. IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT IF A SO CALLED STRAIGHT MAN IS UNCOMFORTABLE BEING AROUND A GAY GUY OR THEY ARE CONSTANTY MAKING REMARKS SUCH AS MR. DUNCAN, THEN THAT MEANS THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING FOUND OUT THEMSELVES!!! MY LIFE IS HEALTHY AND HAPPY AND I HAVE WONDERFUL FRIENDS, FAMILY AND GOD CHIDREN WHO ALL KNOW I AM GAY, THAT I HAVE BEEN IN A RELATIONSHIP SINCE I WAS 19 (I AM NOW 28) AND THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT GOD MADE ME! SO PLEASE STOP SAYING THE GAY “LIFESTYLE” BECAUSE IT IMPLIES THAT THIS IS A CHOICE AND IT IS NOT. WE (GAY PEOPLE) DON’T SAY THE STRAIGHT LIFESTYE, DO WE? AND #73 IT IS REALL SAD THAT U R MISSING OUT ON YOUR BROTHERS LIFE BECAUSE OF YOUR BELIEFS… I THANK GOD THAT MY FAMILY IS THERE 4 ME AND U NEED 2 B THERE 4 UR BRO BECAUSE 2MORROW IS NOT PROMISED AND IT MAY B 2 LATE AND IF SOMETHING WERE 2 HAPPEN 2 UR BRO, THEN WHAT WOULD U DO? JUST A THOUGHT.

@146

The world is full of hypocrites and nobody can change nobody’s mind. Just learn to co exsist without the hatred. I love people! People love me and nobody enjoys being icolated from society because of other sexual preference. I guess I am just saying no matter your view treat people as you would like to be treated. And to all a good night!

#151

Why wasn’t anyone saying that about Kramer?

There’s a difference between just speaking your mind, and hate speech. What Tim Hardaway said was an example of hate speech. Almost implying that homosexuals shouldn’t even be in the country.

People have the legal right to say what they want, but that doesn’t excuse them from the public reaction to it. I think he apologized to because nowadays the public doesn’t take too kindly to bigots, at least out in the open. He has the right to hate homosexuals, and companies have the right to pull their endorsements. Simple as that.

Brian, I believe this is the first time that you and some of the others have spoken up! Don’t pretend to care less, because you read and hinge on every word! Keep it real and it will! Saying that you hate gays and trying to have no conscious is a sign of weakness not strength! A man will stand his ground!!!

But, some of you have never learned to be a man! Manhood is taught just like being a gentleman and civil! Why is it that you guys want to justify your action by bringing up other sins in the bible. Two men sleeping together is and will always be adultry!

You can’t be married in God’s eye! That’s not meant to sound harsh…its the truth! Brian, I think you can take a better position than that of a nitty wit! Or, are you playing the witty nit? Whichever, its not a good look while Pittyboy and others are fighting for the lives on here! They’re lost in bitterness and wilderness…you can’t be far behind.

Soon Concreteloop will be a gay channel! lol Y’all are trippin to call Hardaway gay looking! First of all, that’s hand with the homo sign is superimposed! He has on a jersey and looks like he’s been sweating. Thirdly, he is happily married last time I checked, and lastly, he says that he hates gays! Not the fake hate like Brian does in bafoon, but he really does not want to post up to a gay guard!

And, who gives a damn about what David Stern says? Who would take his word over the word of God?

Men who were never taught to be men like jasszyfe, who’s father was military and never there! He was raised by his mother!

This debate can’t be solved until some of you fess up and admit your abuse or neglect! Then, what Judah and others are saying will make sense!

developing…

My ONE point here today is this; I don’t like Tuna… so I don’t eat it (but I’m not afraid that I’ll become one)

I don’t like sardines… so I don’t eat them

I don’t like people who make excuses… so I don’t make them

I don’t like asking people for things… so I don’t ask.

And now that I’m done with that, I’ll simply say this… “You don’t like “fa ggots”??…. then don’t BECOME one. (I’m concerned that you honestly believe that a gay woman or man can somehow affect YOU… if the gay man ain’t fukkin you… how does YOUR life change?)

I don’t care for a lot of things that gay people do… but I don’t care for many of the things that my STRAIGHT brothers and sisters do.

OJ Simpson is STRAIGHT
R Kelly is STRAIGHT
The DC Sniper was STRAIGHT
George Bush is STRAIGHT
Flava Flav is STRAIGHT

And y’all worried about what GAY people bring to YOUR table? NOTHIN if you don’t invite him to sit down.

End trans.

It’s interesting how most people who believe being gay is a choice, are not gay. Yet most people who are gay will tell you it is not a choice.

And for all of you folks out there who are saying there is nothing wrong with him stating his opinion, the next time a politician, celebrity, etc., OPENLY says he hates Black people, admits he is a racist, and he wishes Black people were not in this country or in the world, I certainly hope you view THAT as simply him stating his opinion. It’s easy for black people to treat such situations as “no big deal/he has a right to”, when it’s not about us.

Martin Luther King said, “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. Well, I’m saying Hate speach against minorities anywhere is a threat to minorities everywhere. Tim Hardaway’s words should not be taken lightly soley based upon, “well that’s his opinion and he has a right to say it”. Folks this is bigger than simply that. It’s time for many of our people to wake up.

Everyone is entitled to their opionions. This was Tim’s opinion and belief. So what? Now, he said it in a mean way but it is what was on his heart.

I do not agree with the gay life. I also have a very good friend that is gay yet he knows how I feel. I cannot and will not accept his lifestyle because we are friends.

I am way more fearful of God than man!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, being gay is a chosen lifestyle. I do believe that many people may have an attraction to the same sex. It may be mild or strong. BUT the choice is their own.

The question is: Do I pursue these feelings or not? No one is forced to be gay. Being black is who you are on conception. Being gay is making a choice.

Oh, just because the man don’t like gays don’t mean he is repressing gay desires. Maybe he just don’t like gays. Novel idea, huh?

I HAVE TO CORRECT MY #153 STATEMET. I MEANT MR. HARDAWAY, NOT DUNCAN. LOL! SORRY…..

I got a question for you “CHA CHA”/#159…

What does, “I will not ACCEPT his lifestyle” mean? What puts you in a place where you assume that your “acceptance” is warranted OR validation in the first place? That’s an arrogant assed statement if I’ve ever heard of one.

You sound to be a Christian/God-fearing man/woman (and I don’t know which) but with that said, my question to YOU is… should your “gay” friend not be accepting of YOUR life choices?

Are YOU married and were you a virgin when you married, if you’re single… are you a virgin, afterall, that same God you fear looks down upon fornication… do you cheat, have you ever cheated, do you hold your “friends” who DO cheat/fornicate/steal (including bootlegging) to the same standard to which you hold your gay friend?

Do you curse? Have you ever stolen anything from work, when you come to concreteloop to GOSSIP, doesn’t that SAME bible that you speak of say that?

When you read a story here on Concreteloop and then repeat it to one of your friends, what are you doing? MY bible says, “Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20).

When you repeat something you heard from someone else, or share a story where you’re not 100% certain the facts are correct, or even share information about another person that will only bring them harm and not good, you are bearing false witness against them. Since the second greatest commandment is “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you would be breaking that one as well by gossiping. Would you gossip about yourself to others? If not, then why commit that act against your neighbor?

So #160, if a person finds himself ONLY attracted to the same sex, he is not attracted to anyone of the opposite sex ever at anytime, he falls in love with someone of the same sex, (sorry to be graphic) but even as a kid growing up even all of his “wet” dreams were about the same sex, all of his crushes in school were of the same sex, even his first crush at 5 years old was someone of the same sex, you are saying just as long as he doesn’t have sex with someone of the same sex he is not gay?

If that is what you are saying how does one make himself attracted to the opposite sex? Please explain how to do that?

*note* also include in that, he prayed every night for years that it would go away.

um my dad was a BIG part of my life. He left the army before i was born so wtf are yall talkin bout? See there yall go again, always trying to tell people something about themselves and how they are when u dont know a DAMN thing about them. That is what ur problem is, you think you know everything and instead of listening and learning, you block out and hide under your close minded views. No I was not only raised by my mother, and NO i did not choose to be gay….deal with it!

And in closing it is what it is. Tim has the right to speak his mind, and we concrete loopers have the right to speak ours. If I dont like something im gonna speak on it, just like i didnt like when kkkramer said nigger, and when the presidential candidate said obama was the first clean and attractive black man in politics. Freedom of speach is a two way street ladies, get with the program.

Y’all kill me getting “righteous” as it relates to somebody else. And for those who say that being gay is a CHOICE… how would YOU know if you’ve never been gay? Were the options open to you and you CHOSE heterosexuality… or was there never even the slightest chance that another d#ck/P@ssy could “excite” you… if you KNOW that homosexuality is a CHOICE then that means that you speak from EXPERIENCE and that you were attracted to men AND women and then CHOSE one over the other.

As far as the use of the word “hate”. The Most High says to hate the evil and love the good (Amos 5:15). King Solomon says that there is a time to love and a time to hate (Ecc 3:8). King David says that he hates with a perfect hatred the workers of iniquity (Psa 139:21,22). Christ said to serve him, we’ll have to hate our mothers and fathers (Luke 14:26). Saint Paul says that the Most High loved Jacob and hated Esau (Rom 9:13 quoted from Mal 1:2-4). It’s not an emotional hate, it’s a hate due to knowledge. It’s not a matter of whether the Bible has hate, it’s whether you choose to believe in it or not. Anyone who says that they have no hate is a liar. A man just knows how to control his hate and all his other emotions. The powers that be have tried (successfully) to turn Christ and the Most High into some soft, effeminate, Santa Claus-like figures.

@139

What makes my opinion or “factoids” irrelevant? Why, because I’m not an “enlightened” homosexual like you, lol. You probably hate straight black men like most of these other “peaceful people”, lol. I don’t respect people that hide their hate. Keep that shit 100% real. Most of the “great enlightenment thinkers of the late 1700’s through the mid 1800’s were homos too (your heroes)and they hated blacks as well. If I was using the knowledge that the Lord gave me to co-sign homosexuality, you’d be my biggest fan. You’d say, “Judah give me another scripture”, lol. You claim to believe in the Most High and the Bible but I’ve never read anything that you’ve posted that didn’t have to do with the white man’s philosophy or science.

I never said I was chosen. I’m just a man, I can’t determine that. I said “the Lord’s chosen”. I’ll take that as a compliment though because you’re really saying that you think I’m one of the chosen. It’s easy to tell who the chosen are because they don’t shuck and jive in the Lord’s Word. When people use certain scriptures as a crutch or tell you, “that was for back then” or directly refute a scripture you know they’re dealing with Satan. The same people that try and tell you what a scripture doesn’t mean but can never tell you what it does mean, or those that tell you the “Old Testament is done away with” but still quote from it when it suits them, lol. They know who they are. For example I had a debate with a group of mormons around my way and they claimed to be the Lord’s chosen but they didn’t know whether certain books were in the Old or New Testament and the more I dug into their spirit, their racism started to come out. All that “love” is a facade until the white man see that you know who he is, then the kid gloves come off, lol. Christ said to come through the strait gate.

Your buddy talked about your god, the white man in #142…did he still “make your day”, lol.

In post #163, I forgot to mention all of this happened before he had sex for the first time at 20 years of age.

Oh and if you think just because the fool is married that he is 100% straight then I would like to direct you to exibit A: Elston John exibit B: That mayor that came out a couple of yrs ago, and exibit C: Every closeted or DL man that has a wifey in the day, and a dude at night.

Who really cares?? There are far more important things going on in this world today other than what a celebrity (or ex celeb) said was his opinion. I’m tired of hearing about gay peoples’ issues. Every time you turn around a gay rights group is mad at this or that, or I have to see that mess on a TV show.

And who mad gay men the ultimate fashionista?? Just b/c your a gay man, doesn’t mean you know what fashion is!!

“What makes my opinion or “factoids” irrelevant? Why, because I’m not an “enlightened” homosexual like you,”

Your factoids are irrelevant because I don’t think ancient civilizations leaving behind written records has anything to do with Tim Hardaway being a dumb ass. Simple as that, and don’t try complicate any further in an attempt to introduce more irrelevance. Judah, you know I couldn’t care less about your philosophy or belief in the word, so save it. You’re simply not going to change my mind with it, just as I’m not going to change yours. So come with something else or drop it.

“You claim to believe in the Most High and the Bible but I’ve never read anything that you’ve posted that didn’t have to do with the white man’s philosophy or science.”

My spirituality isn’t the issue here. But I might as well point out that in several discussions you have not held back from quoting the opinions of the white men who agreed with you (the few there were ,anyway). Don’t pretend like half your belief system is borrowed from the white man, or are we going to get into another ridiculous debate where you try to claim that every person and culture of any historic significance was black? Get that shit out of here.

“I never said I was chosen. I’m just a man, I can’t determine that. I said “the Lord’s chosen”. I’ll take that as a compliment though because you’re really saying that you think I’m one of the chosen. ”

LOL–Judah, you should know by now what I think you are.

“They know who they are. For example I had a debate with a group of mormons around my way and they claimed to be the Lord’s chosen but they didn’t know whether certain books were in the Old or New Testament and the more I dug into their spirit, their racism started to come out.”

OMG!! A RACIST MORMOM!?!? How could such a thing exist!? Of all people I thought it was the MORMON who was the bastion of racial and sexual equality and forward thinking. Judah, how courageous of you to expose their true nature.

153. mar315 said: “JUST BECAUSE I AM GAY, DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WANT TO SUCK EVERY PENIUS THAT I SEE!!!!”

lol! Are you saying that you don’t want to suck every one, but just certain ones? hehe! You sick!!!

This is like a convention! All the crazy gays are coming out of the closet at once! What happened! Did y’all feel guilty leaving Pittyboy out there all by himself?

When one of you zealots come out of the closet looking like Ms. Jay Alexander, you discrace the human race…especially the black race!

And, when did y’all discover that you were born queer? What age was that? Who told you to say that! Stop trying to rethink your condition and just change it! Rather than embarrasing your family and friends, why don’t you just give up having immoral sex? Spare your fathers and uncles!

And, to you sisters who defend gay men, could it be that a gay man relieves women of the condition where her desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee? I’m just asking the question? lol

171 Posts and Counting!!! Do I hear 200 coming down in the stretch?

OMT - Opinions are not like assholes! Opinions can go both ways, but assholes were meant to go one way only…$#!TT!N out! lol

@ Meatloaf…

Understand one thing before you allow your ignorance to cloud your vision. Just because someone points out the double-standards of “homosexual” hate, doesn’t make them homosexuals.

In the bible that CARRINGTON owns, it is no more a sin to cheat on your wife, steal from your job, tell a lie, etc than it is to be a homosexual, in fact, in the bible that I read… all of those EXCEPT homosexuality are considered His COMMANDMENTS!!

Very strong words however he is entitled to his opinion. I think he may have had a personal experience with gay ppl which was very negative and thats how he formed his views. I know alot of ppl in the world and in the NBA are gay but the lifestyle isnt correct politically or spiritually.

charrington in huston,

Yes, its all sin, but I don’t see anyone asking for acceptance to cheat on their wife or steal! Only gays ask for acceptance to commit sin!

Carrington in Houston..chiiillle for once you and I agree! Let’s do lunch:)

People who do those things don’t HAVE to ask for acceptance, for the most part, it’s GIVEN…

You know how you have that uncle who brings his GIRLFRIEND to the family get togethers, while his WIFE is at home, and nobody says shit - he doesn’t HAVE to ask.

You know how you go in the barber shop and sell bootleg, translation STOLEN cd’s and EVERYBODY, gay and straight buys one - you don’t have to ASK for permission to bombard me with your SINFUL, stolen property, you just DO it.

You know how you go to the club and EVERYBODY in the crew is lookin for some pussy/fornication (even though they’re a) not married or b) MARRIED! - They don’t ask permisson, but it’s accepted by everyone in the group!

You know how you pick up a magazine and see a picture of Beyonce/Janet/Deelishus and you LUST after her… as a CHRISTIAN, (hypothetically) yo’uve invaded my space and belief systems when I can’t pay for my gas without seeing ass or tiddys… did anyone ASK me to do that? They dont HAVE to.

I’ll say again, it’s a double-standard that has put homosexuality at the top of the sin hirarchy, even though there are 10 COMMANDMENTS that we brush aside because what? THOSE apply to us, fuck that fact that I steal, fuck the fact that I fucked my brothers girl, fuck the fact that I’m married and fucking PERIOD, fuck the fact that I WANT to fuck my neighbors wife, FUCK the fact that I bear false witness…. how bout them punks!

LOL

178: Imma give you a standing ovation bravo negro bravo!

Evertything that Tim said is soo stupid. First, you can not look at a person and tell they are Gay. Just because a man is a sissy or feminine does not mean he is Gay. Just because a man is a thug does not mean he is straight. I have dated married men and men with children; and most only have kids so their boyz won’t call them Gay. That makes you wonder why so many men have kids and don’t care or give a darn about them. Many of the so called straight men in the shower with Tim are probably Gay, looking at his dumb butt; literally!!

Just his opinion? So what if he was white saying he hated black people? Would that be “just his opinion” then? I doubt it.

Some of ya’ll are WORSE than Hardagay!!! I guess hate is still alive in the black community. I bet there’s a number of you who would fly off the handle if he was white saying he hated blacks. There is no difference. Maybe if u truly were a victim of another’s hate, u wouldn’t be saying, “Oh I don’t hate them, but I don’t condone they’re actions.” Shut the hell up! Why is it that the only peeps who complain about gay men are ugly, busted-ass black men? No seriously. You put a gay man in their locker room, and that raggedy nigga is the LAST clown they’d be looking at. It’s a miracle that a woman would even be interested, let alone a man. Some of you actin’ like every gay person you meet wants to fuck you, which is bullshit. I hope that every fool in here gets a taste of racism so they know what’s it like to be the victim of hate. I can’t say I’m suprised though. Like that whole T.R. Knight/I-GAY-ah Washington drama, Concrete Loop once again shows an indifference to gay people, almost like it’s okay to hate them. People are outraged over Washington’s comments, but according to CL, it’s racist. Angel gotta opinion on every other stupid post, but for Hardagay, she got nothing to say. Now people are outraged at him, so I suppose it’s a racial issue now? I don’t think so…Hardagay is an ugly, broke-ass has-been that no gay man would even dare give a second look. As are the fat bitches and eNiggas in here thinking every gay person wants their trollin’ ass, dream on. Ya’ll need to worry about your own mess and quit worryin’ about gays. You got your own shit to tend to.

PITTBBOI SAID:

#151

Why wasn’t anyone saying that about Kramer?

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THANK YOU!!!

I am so disappointed that people here are claiming “Freedom of Speech” and “Right to an Opinion” and all that bullshit. WTF??? Why didn’t anyone say that about KKKramer? If a white man said “I hate all Blacks, I am a racist” or “all niggers should leave the country” would y’all be saying he has a right to his opinion??? No, we would be mad as all hell. Hate speech is hate speech, period.

And get off of using the Bible to defend your hate. We are all God’s children and none of us has the right to judge anyone else, only GOD can. Last time I checked there were other sins in the Bible, why do people choose to focus on homosexuality like it’s the worst thing in the world? Why can’t people be this passionate about adulterers and murderers? The Bible states those are sins too.

@181
Folks kill me with that only “in the black” community crap. Ignorance, racism, bigoty, ghettoism, gossip and all the other crap is not ONLY in the black community. Its in the human race community so kill that. Its like someone said earlier, white folk just know how to conceal their crap!

Oh but I agree with everything else u said Fumero.

#19, #21 #29, #36, #38, #46, #48, #53, #55, #56, #57, #62, #65, #79, #86, #95, #96, #107, #112, #115, #124, #130, #153, #157 I couldn’t have said it better myself!

#22 Yes, we have gay ministers because, ummm, THERE ARE LOTS OF GAY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD TOO!

#26 & #52 - LMAO!

#51 & #64 - Ummm, yeah, the gay struggle is a lot like the Black struggle whether you like it or not. Black folks don’t own the patent on oppression. I am Black and gay so I think I have a good grasp on both struggles.

#69 - So, when is your coming out day?

#110 - Think about what you’re asking when you ask, “Why does society make us accept gays?” First off, no one is “making” anyone accept us. Second, we’re HUMAN! Whether you agree with our lifestyle or not, we’re still human and deserve equal rights as all humans do.

#117 - Let’s not forget that there are plenty o’ straight men that like to pack the shit of females!

I actually think that a lot of homophobia from straight men comes from the knowledge that there is obviously physical pleasure that can be derived from sex with another man and that knowledge easily threatens the masculinity or manhood of those who are insecure with theirs.

Judah, Dukesman and Meatloaf - Wow you guys are just retarded, huh? So, Dukes, are you saying that before the age of 10 you weren’t interested in females, meaning you were interested in males? Judah, I don’t like what Hardaway said, and he is obviously a homophobe, however as a Black gay MAN, I would certainly come to his aid, defend him and march for his rights if he were unjustly arrested or violently killed by a bigot, just like I have marched for the rights of gay people. And “the Lord’s chosen?” Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that the Lord is a bigot like you and picks and chooses who He loves? I can’t believe that God would choose you as one of his own, at least not the God that I know. That’s just nuts! God can not be personified with limited human traits such as hate and discrimination. He is beyond personification. GOD LOVES US ALL DESPITE OUR SHORTCOMINGS OR SO CALLED SINS! Meatloaf, you’re comments about abuse and neglect suggest that there aren’t straight men out there who were abused and neglected or molested. Abuse, neglect and molestation have nothing to do with the way you are born. And not all of us are born equal or with a “clean slate.” There are thousands of babies born every day with illnesses or disabilities. I was born gay. Period. I knew from as far back as I can remember that I was attracted to boys and learned the hard way that what I felt wasn’t the “norm” and wasn’t readily tolerated or accepted.

As far as the Bible is concerned, not everyone believes in it or God so it’s really an invalid tool to use in an argument against homosexuality. I also find it interesting how one of the most famous sayings in the Bible is something like “let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” If we all lived by the Bible, most of us, gay, straight or bi, would be dead because we’d be stoned to death in a public square somewhere for being adulterous, lying, stealing, cheating, murdering, etc. And lest we forget that according to the Bible, even THINKING about a sin is the same as committing the sin in action anyway! So all you Bible thumping hypocrites need to BACK OFF!!! You should be happy He hasn’t struck your ignorant, hypocritical asses down with a bolt of lightening already for all the dirt you’ve done and all the hate you’re spreading in His name!

That concludes this week’s sermon…lol…

Ignorance is bliss for fools. Everyone should know that.

Jasszyfe I like your way o’ thinking woman.

So,
would you like those who are attracted to the same sex to start dating the opposite sex (thus, add to the DL community)…

or be out and open, then have no love, (safe) sex, & affection for the rest of my life (is that possible? because most of us can go a year without any kind of affection; much less 60 or 70 years!) and mind you, im still a virgin and 20.

or should i just kill myself, because i wasn’t made like you? This is why i go to bed with anxiety attacks every night, because i’m really scared just to live my life knowing i’ll never be happy, no matter what choice i make..how can anyone live in fear of being hated and isolated, in fear of going to hell, expected to live without any love or affection? Should i have to feel so scared!

Preach LABLKMAN72! Preach it my brova *waves hands in the air b4 falling out* Now ya’ll come cover me with a sheet and fan my sweat lmao!

You guys are wrong for the “Official Homophobic Membership Card” LMAO…..But that was dumb on Tim’s part, he know that the homosexual/lesbian/tranny community will pull the Johnny Cochran Card faster than you can say, “Gay.”

being homophobic means that you are scared of gays, having a “phobia” which means you are scared of something is different from hating something. If anything Tim is a gay basher. And not liking gays is not like being a racist, it isn’t a sin to be a particular race, but it is one to be homosexual. ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE.

he said what alot of people really feel, however hate is such a strong word.but to each, his own. in reality, tim really doesn’t know how to talk in public, he uses slang when he talks. i think he needs to take some public speaking classes, and realize that he is not talking to his homeboy, but to the world. he is really going to need some great p.r. reps. after watching the matthhew shepherd case on tv i learned that everyone deserves respect. you may not agree with it, but on some degree you must respect that person personal preference.

What the Bible says about Homosexuality

Contender Ministries

With the schism in the Anglican communion, the Constitutional amendment in the United States to define marriage as between a man and a woman, and in light of various ‘human rights’ laws around the world that vilify those who speak against homosexuality, more Christians are asking what the Christian position towards homosexuality should be. While only a tiny percentage of people are homosexual, the gay lifestyle is becoming mainstream – at least in some circles and in the media. Let’s examine what the Bible says about homosexuality, and clear up a few myths in the process.

First, let’s start with some fundamental groundwork. Some people, uneducated in scripture, are under the mistaken impression that all forms of sexuality are sinful according to the Bible. With this misconception, they readily disregard anything the Bible might say with regards to sexuality, choosing instead to side with their sexual desires. What they don’t understand is that they are completely wrong. Sex is a creation of God, who pronounced all His creation “good!” Sexuality is not sinful. It is a wonderful part of God’s plan.

God put a limit on sex, though. Yes, a limit – only one. There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of sex. The only caveat to the enjoyment of sex is this: sex is meant to be enjoyed in the context of marriage – not outside of it. Unfortunately, these days we must be specific. Sex is to be enjoyed within the context of a marriage between a man and a woman. That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Hebrew 13:4 says, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” All sexual sins (i.e. promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) are sins because they do not conform to the limit of sex being a marital activity. Now of course some of you will point out the list of sexual activity prohibited by the Mosaic laws, but let’s not address those issues of the law from which Paul said we are now free. Instead, let’s stick to those ancient commands that endure eternal. To that end, the above-mentioned single rule is how we are to judge sexual morality.

The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were the first recorded in the Bible to face punishment for their sexual perversion. In Genesis chapter 19, we find two angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom. In verse four, we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have sex with them.” The pro-homosexual revisionist argues that the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the residents wanted to commit an act of rape. That the rape would have been homosexual is not an issue, according to their argument. However, Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their sexual perversion. Their sin was not simply one of violence (rape) but of sexual immorality (homosexuality). As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosexuality as “an abomination.”

Contrary to the opinions of some, the Old Testament is not the only place in the Bible that condemns homosexuality. We previously mentioned Hebrews 13:4, where Paul exhorted us to honor the marriage bed and keep it pure. In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” are those men who engage in unnatural sexual relations with other men – homosexuals. That is also how the NASB, the NKJV, and the NIV translate that verse. Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosexuality.

Having established that homosexuality is a sin, we must now face that we live in increasingly pro-homosexual societies. The media and the schools have become mouthpieces for the gay subculture, and are working hard to marginalize those of us who take a moral, biblical stance on the issue. School sex education programs based on the curriculum developed by SIECUS champion homosexuality as being normal and healthy, while encouraging teenagers to ignore the values of their parents if their parents feel homosexuality is wrong. “Gay” television shows are popping up on networks like Bravo and on other networks as well.

In many nations, current and existing laws are including slurs against homosexuality in the definition of hate crimes. In fact, some in Canada have found themselves in legal trouble for reading the first chapter of Romans over the airwaves. This is a pattern that is sweeping the Western world, and I predict we’ll see similar legislation in the United States within the next few years. While the Canadian Parliament claims that a religious exemption in their recent hate speech bill will protect speech of a religious nature, in practice Canadians have already been prosecuted by human rights tribunals for things as simple as listing the same Bible verses above in a newspaper advertisement.

Even the church today is not immune to the mainstreaming of immorality. The Anglican Communion, including the Episcopal Church in the United States is suffering a rift because of the appointment of an openly homosexual bishop. This rift is widened because some of its leaders have deemed it appropriate to perform homosexual marriages. The Methodist Church has allowed openly homosexual ministers to retain their positions. Let me make this clear: I do not oppose allowing homosexuals to attend church. In fact, I think that’s where they should be. However, we must not condone sinful immorality by allowing our clergy to practice it openly. Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin. If they were repentant, they would no longer identify themselves as homosexual. Just as no church would allow their minister to engage in an ongoing adulterous affair and retain his position, so we must not allow homosexual ministers to retain their positions of leadership.

Homosexual advocates will contend that homosexuality is natural, and some will point to homosexual activity within some animal species as evidence. However, it’s not hard to figure out that homosexuality is decidedly unnatural. My wife and I used to have a couple of pendant necklaces. Each of us had half of a pendant on our necklace. When we put our two halves together, the zigzag pattern meshed together flawlessly to create a single, whole pendant (which, by the way, bore the words of Genesis 2:24). God made men and women different, both emotionally and physically. Physically, we were created to fit together anatomically much like our pendant. Our parts just match up! Remember the child’s game of matching the round peg into the round hole, the square peg into the square hole, etc.? The homosexual is trying to force two pegs together, in blatant disregard for God’s natural design! The argument above also falls flat on its face when you consider that some animal species also eat their young. I don’t think we can extrapolate that into an acceptable practice for human beings.

These same homosexual advocates will claim that homosexuality is genetic. NOT TRUE! Nobody is ‘born homosexual.’ In 1993, Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute claimed to have found a genetic link to homosexuality. Yet in 1999, the results of an intensive study by the University of Western Ontario found that Hamer was in error. The fact is that after all the attempts to show a genetic cause for homosexuality, no such genetic cause has been found. A British psychologist has had enormous success in providing “reorientation” therapy to homosexuals who want to change. This is not a surgery or a medical treatment, but it is effective. How could it be effective if the cause of homosexuality is physical? Well, it couldn’t be. Homosexuality is a choice, not a genetic predisposition.

Also untrue is the label applied to those who don’t approve of homosexuality. “Homophobe” has been applied to anyone speaking negatively of homosexuality or of homosexuals. But in 2002, a study by the University of Arkansas was publicized that showed that term to be inaccurate. While a phobia is a fear, researchers found that those termed “homophobic” exhibited no traces of fear. The study subjects’ reactions ranged from disapproval to disgust, but none showed any fear.

God’s laws were handed down for our benefit. HIV and AIDS, while no longer exclusive to homosexuals, are still much more rampant and spreading more quickly among the gay community (at least in the western nations). Our children are at risk as well. While GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network) will tell your seventh-grader during a school assembly that heterosexual men molest more children than homosexual men do, they are not telling the whole story. That statistic is only true because homosexuals make up less than 5% of the population. Statistically though, a homosexual man is 10 to 20 times more likely than a heterosexual man to sexually abuse a minor.

A few “Christians” have hurt the cause of morality by acting out violently and/or hatefully against homosexuals. When Matthew Shepherd was killed for being homosexual,* a Baptist congregation gathered outside the courthouse during his killers’ trial. They held up banners that stated how many days Shepherd had been in hell, and used some disgusting names to describe him. They seemed to be happy that he had been brutally murdered. Hate is not the answer to anything. Every one of us is sinful, yet every one of us is loved by God. Jesus did not celebrate the death of Matthew Shepherd, and neither should we. “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” is how the saying goes, and that applies to homosexuals as well.

With that said, we must not be afraid to stand up and champion the cause of morality. Some will call us bigots and homophobes for our belief that homosexuality is a sin, but we cannot let name-calling soften our beliefs in God’s moral code. The pro-homosexual movement can only marginalize us if we allow ourselves to be marginalized. There are two ways we can do that: a) we exhibit hate toward homosexuals rather than love, or b) we remain silent. We must proudly champion God’s love toward the homosexual without condoning his or her behavior. Let His love shine through us, and may we all be examples of the morality God desires.

meatloaf, the honest truth is, I really don’t care though. LOL. you talking about being gay (something you know absolutely NOTHING about) means absolutely nothing to me, for the simple fact that you know NOTHING about it, because you’ve never experienced it before.

but like I said, no one’s mind is going to be changed by this discussion! your typing is pointless. because opinions are like cellphones, everyone’s got one. so trying to argue people down is pointless.

I could really care less about whether you think it’s a sign of weakness or strength, I’m not here to prove anything to you or anyone else, and that’s pretty much my opinion on EVERYTHING, not just this.

As usual, this is some good reading. But why keep debating an issue in which the opposing viewer will NEVER change their views? Accept it and move on. Do you love reading what you write that much?

When this topic comes up it’s never about saying what you feel and moving on to the next thread or being open to the opposing viewpoint. It’s always about getting somebody to cheer you on and co-sign. But some good points nontheless so carry on. This battle has raged for thousands of years and I’m sure it will rage for a million more.

thanks, #195. that’s all I was getting at. LOL.

Okay Tim Hardaway is an idiot. Um, does he really know how many GAY ball players there are? John Amaechi is the only brave one to admit it. Tim doesn’t realize how many closet teammates he may have. Does he really think that he would be raped by a gay teammate? Not everyone who is gay is going to “jump your bones”. Yeah, it’s a lifestyle alot of us don’t understand but damn educate yourself. You don’t have to like it but practice some CHRISTAIN LIKE LOVE. Let GOD decide what’s right and wrong. If your not GOD then you can’t pass jugdement. HOLLA!!!!!

Haven’t people learned anything from Isiah Washington (and I love that man). Keep comments of ignorance to yourself especially if your in the public! Like mama says “…if you can’t say anything nice, SHUT THE HELL UP!

@ LABLKMAN72…

Just from the question you asked tells me that you a complete fool. My grandmother told me once, “Dont argue with an idiot because they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you from experience.” You’re statement does not warrant an answer.

He’s A Fucking Bdummy [/End Thread]

So? Who cares? who the hell is he anywayz? next….

Somebody done pounced on that ass! He sounds bitter as hell.

Oh damn, I was wondering why this post got so HUGE. I shoulda known its b/c it got all religious up in here.
This Tim guy shoulda kept his trap shut. Didn’t he get the memo? Being a Black anti-gay is equivalent to being an anti-semite these days.
For all we know he’s probably a homo himself, as venomous as his hateful words were- Just likely in denial with his big ass.
And before any homosexuals attack me, I do believe MOST were born that way.
*waiting for the dummy-darts to fly into my ass*

He was just speaking his mind. I guess he apologized because he knew what was coming.

WAIT!!!!!! HOLD DA HELL UP! SUM OF U PPL NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ON EARTH U SAYIN!!!! SOME OF U R ACTUALLY TRYIN TO COMPARE BEING GAY TO RACISM. WHAT HELL NO!! THAT IS VERY OFFENSIVE!!! I AM BLACK, I WAS BORN THAT WAY AND I STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN HARDSHIPS BECAUSE OF THAT. RACISM IS STILL ALIVE! ESPECIALLY IN LONDON, ENGLAND. ANYWAYZ. U R NOT BORN GAY. ABND SECONDLY IT IS WRONG, VULGAR, VILE, DISGUSTING AND PLAIN NASTY FOR PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX TO SHARE SEXUAL RELATIONS AND HAVE SEXUAl FEELINGS 4 ONE ANOTHER.

I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH HOW DIS MAN WENT ABOUT SAYIN WHAT HE SAID . BUT I DO AGREE WITH HIS PASSION TO STOP THIS MADNESS. HOMOSEXUALITY IS WHAT IS DISGUSTING! THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFER FROM THIS ARE THE VICTIMS AND NEED HELP, NOT TO BE ATTACKED. BUT EVERYONE DON’T BE BRAINWASHED BY THE WORLD TODAY INTO THINKING ITS OK. LIKE THE BIBLE SAID. IN THE END OF DAYS THE WORLD WILL BECOME CORRUPT! AND IT HAS THEY ARE EVEN TRYING TO POISON THE MIND OF CHILDREN WITH THIS HOMO. RUBBISH. IT NEEDS TO STOP!!!

This is just my opinion. But as Brothers and Sisters if it is one word we should truly understand is.. TOLERANCE!!! Peace.

AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO PROPER OPINION ON THIS MATTER. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION OF WHICH CAN U PLEASE ANSWER HONESTLY ” WHAT DO U FIRST THINK WHEN U SEE A MAN AND ANOTHER MAN KISSING?” BE HONEST.

Wooow i just read like almost all of these posts…

Being gay is not a choice! why would you pick to be gay? so you can be hated by soo many people and talked down by so many people? That is not something someone would want. You can not say being gay is a choice…. When you were young did you choose which one you wanted to be attracted to? Go do an experiment when you wake up tommorrow choose to be gay and see how it gos…. hit up this comment section and explain all….HOLLA!

When Kramer spoke his peace, I supported his honesty. People came at me but they didn’t realize that honesty goes both ways. I like people that keep it real because at least then you know where you stand.

@170
Negro, I’m not trying to change your mind. I’m not lookin’ for converts, lol. You homosexuals are so sensitive and vain that you swear that people are totally obsessed about you having sex with someone of the same gender when they speak out against homosexuality. When I see homos or lesbians, I could care less. The Lord says it’s wicked, so it’s wicked. Simple as that. You could sit on a nuclear missile for all I care. Do you.

You’re still giving credit to the white man for things that the Most High is responsible for. I think that you’re far more obsessed with color than I could ever be. I don’t read “white books” or “black books”. I read books that corroborate the scriptures and history in the Bible in the spirit of truth. I’m the one that told you certain authors were caucasian because I know how a simple nigga like you thinks, “it came from the white man so it must true…”. Every book I have only has varying degrees of the truth but only the Bible has the complete Truth (Ecc 12:12-14, John 17:17). These whites have our historical records in their vaults and museums in America and Europe so of course they have more access to the truth. The Lord said that these other races would use archaeology to verify the scriptures (Psa 85:11, Jer 16:19, etc.). Some of the biggest liars and charlatans are these black authors that claim that we’re Egyptian or whatever (Jer 5:31). The Lord inspires a man to write a truthful piece of literature, not a “white man”, lol. I get my knowledge from the Most High, not a “white man”. That’s why when (or if) you read the Bible, it probably looks like hieroglyphics because you’re waiting for the “Great White Man” to give you the ultimate breakdown of the scriptures and you’re too conceited for the Lord to use you as a vessel. A series of questions for you: If the Lord was a black man, would you still want to go to heaven? When did the white man invent air and water? Did he rest on the 6th day or the 7th? When did he decide to make the earth round? Lol. As far as who was black in history, I could really get your panties bunched up if I started to list the notable men of history who were of our nation and were “whitewashed” but I’ll save that for another time. The Lord said that the white man would take many of the great men of history and make them white for his mind control and propaganda (Job 9:24). In 400 years, he might say that Michael Jordan was a caucasian.

You should be a mormon, lol. Ya’ll both believe the same things. No seriously I’ve noticed that they tend to run to the black communities in New York but I never see them in the white neighborhoods. Strange to me. Then again, maybe not so strange.

I think you think I am exactly what I said I think you think I am but you’ll never acknowledge that, lmao.

@185

Brother please go somewhere and sit ya ass down. Don’t speak to me about the Most High or the scriptures. All that mankind knows or will know about the Most High is in the Bible, not in your ridiculous doctrine (Isa 8:20, 34:16). That’s why the Lord said, I AM THAT I AM (Ex 3:14). He didn’t say, “I am whatever you want me to be.” The Most High dictates to us how we should act, we don’t give the Lord the traits that we want him to have. Who are we to tell the Lord a damn thing (Isa 40:13-17). The vanity and pride of you homos will be your downfall (Prov 16:18). If you knew the scriptures you either wouldn’t be a homosexual or you would be quiet and not try to use the Most High to justify your bullshit.

@207

A sign of the times sis. Obviously it’s disgusting but what can you do? The Lord will take care of it.

Ewww! I think British people are just VULGAR, VILE, DISGUSTING AND PLAIN NASTY PEOPLE. I HATE Brits and I think they should be stopped! LOL!

DUKESMAN - I’m going to take your grandmother’s advice and not even bother arguing with your (bigoted, hateful, confused, Bible thumping, hypocritical) foolish ass.

#193 - Once again, not everyone believes in God, so it’s plain old folly to condemn homosexuals based on YOUR INTERPRETATION of sin and the Bible, a text that was written and edited by man. God never held a pen to paper people.

Didn’t any of you pay attention in history or relgious studies? Don’t you know that the Bible has been edited over centuries to suit the political/socio-economical needs of priests who were very much in power over the masses back in the day? There was a version of the Bible that was distributed to priests and clergymen that included secret and anciet esoteric information and practices (some of these esoteric principles are hinted at in Revelations and even in the 23rd Psalm) and then there was a version of the Bible that was distributed to the common man that was void of these secrets. Don’t you know that there are a number of texts (Gnostic Gospels) that were not even included in the Bible for various political reasons? Instead they were found hidden in a cave somewhere in the Middle East in 1949. What I find sad is that so many people are just blind followers. They don’t bother to research or question; they simply fall in line like cattle and follow whatever they’re spoon fed because they’ve been terrorized by fear (God is vengeful and you’ll burn in hell for your sins…what a bunch of malarky) to do what they’re told. It’s sad really. NEWS FLASH: Organized religion is nothing more than a tool to control the weak-minded masses who can’t think for themselves. I’ve learned to know God on my own and I know that He could never hate or condemn me because God is LOVE and is not mocked, meaning He can’t be hate AND love.

Until Jesus Christ himself comes down off of his cloud and tells me that I’m going to hell for loving another man, I will happily be gay knowing that I am LOVED and ADORED by God who lives within my every breath. I have a feeling though that he’ll sooner come down off of his cloud and condemn all you HATERS for spreading ignorance and fear in His name before he condemns me for loving! Besides, if there is a hell I’m sure I’ll see ALL OF YOU there! I’ll be the one giving brain to Satan in exchange for air conditioning so I don’t have to roast like the rest of you fools. LOL!

@162 Carrinton…
It’s not arrogance to state the truth. My friend knew before he even outed himself how I felt. When he did tell me, my beliefs didn’t change nor my view of him because I love him dearly. He doesn’t have to accept my non-acceptance of his lifestyle. Our relationship is not based on his or my own sexual pref. He struggles with his homosexuality alot and it’s not because of acceptance because all his friends and most of his fam accept it. It’s an internal struggle because he is a Christian and knows what the Bible says about homosexuality.

Okay, on to your barrage of questions. To answer it in a nutshell, I sin every day either in word, deed or thought. That is because I am a sinful being. I break commandments left and right without even knowing it sometimes. Yet, when I do and even when I don’t know I have because I sin everyday, I confess it as such. I am a sinner saved by grace. My sins were atoned for on Calvary. What did I do to deserve it? Squat! Now, does that mean I can keep sinning because God will forgive me? Paul made that arguement. No. As I grow closer to God, I’m renewed on the inside EVERYDAY and move SLOWLY closer to being more Christ-like. I cannot be perfect in this world, but I will be in the world to come (new Heaven, new Earth). God is not a fool and shouldn’t be played for one. I’m not going to keep committing the same sin and feel good about it.

Biblically speaking…
Everything you mentioned was a sin and no one sin is greater than the other…very true.

Now, read 1 Corin 6:9. That is not an exhaustive list but the major types of moral sin of the unsaved. Now, while believers can and do commit these same sins, they don’t characterize them as an unbroken life pattern. When they do, it demonstrates that the person is not in God’s kingdom. True believers who do sin, resent the sin and try to gain victory over it and not continue to indulge in it hoping the rules will change.

Look, this is God’s law. If you believe in God, then you should understand. God planned for male-female relationships and this is a sexual perversion in His eyes. Also, homosexuality is not stated in the 10 Commandments but it is clearly stated in the Bible..Lv 18:22, 20:13, Rom. 1:26,27, etc.

I don’t justify ANY of my sins and I don’t have a parade about them either. Don’t pick and choose what you are going to take from the Bible but take it ALL as a whole. Scripture ALWAYS backs scripture. God will never change His rules.

Man look at all this scripture! And I thought bible study was Wednesdays. Its beautiful to see you niggas know how to read, let alone read your bible. You know there are some illiterate mofo’s up in here. But where the hell is all these scriptures when some nigga is beating up or cheating on his pregnant girlfriend? Or when some woman is ass out on the cover of a magazine? I didn’t bother reading every post, but I do know its pointless to back up Brother Hardaway with scripture. One of the fundamental teachings in the bible is love. Love your neighbor, love your enemy. What Brother Hardaway said was hateful, no matter what way you look it. You can disagree with someone’s lifestyle, but according to God, you don’t have the right to hate anybody. Real Talk niggas, speak on it.

He sounds very stupid. Very very stupid. Very stupid.

kind

Sorry but you can justify, make excuses for, sugar-coat it but being gay ain’t right and it’s a CHOICE. I’m a little worried about the powerful Pro-gay consensus in this county, trying to make almost every vice acceptable, soon molesting kids will be “Ok” because people are “born that way”. (Ever heard of NAMBLA?) You can’t PROCREATE being gay. Ya’ll like to say, “no sin is greater than the other” but what makes the difference is if you REALIZE your mistakes and REPENT. One of my best friends was a gay Cop I was stationed with overseas in the Airforce, but I am under no illusions as to what’s going to happen to him in the next life. The only upside to all these gay Blk men running around is more straight chicks for me.

At VelvetJ,

I’m not sure whether you were being sincere and candid in your question or dousing me with sarcasm, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and respond on the assumption you were not trying to be funny.

Okay, all I can say to you is that every deed starts somewhere in the mind. If you constantly let something simmer and stew in your mind, it will eventually manifest itself into an action. You’ve heard, “an idle mind is the devil’s workshop”, right? That’s for real. For me personally, if I think too much on something (good or bad), each day I find myself drawing closer to actually doing it because each day the desire is given attention, grows stronger and preoccupies my every thought. I then start to justify doing it and eventually do it (not all the bad stuff-lol!). On the bad things, I hadn’t actually commited the act, but I was still sinning with the thoughts. The act just brought more sin and rougher consequenses.

If you were having all these thoughts since childhood, I can see how they could grow into you actually acting on them. Were you gay before you committed the act? I don’t know but the thoughts were sinful and the act was just added sin.

As far as praying for deliverence, there are no limits on God although we all put them on Him. Again, speaking for myself, I’ll give you an example. It’s lame but you’ll get my point. I LOVE horror movies! I used to read scary books, watch movies, go on websites, the whole nine yards. At some point, it dawned on me as I grew closer to God that what I was pulling into my mind through my eyes was not what God would want me to be viewing. So, I got rid of my books and vowed never to watch scary movies. I prayed for help to keep the vow. Well, I guess I expected God to magically take the desire away and all would be good. IT DOESN”T WORK THAT WAY. I’d see movie trailers and fight the desire. Now, when I’d go to the movies to see something else, and a scary movie was playing at the same time, I went on my desire for the scary movie because I never allowed God in to start helping me. I’d feel bad afterwards but even when I was in the theater feeling bad about it, I chose to go. Then, the whole process would start over…Lord, help me not to go to these movies, rent videos, watch them on tv, etc. Then, as I thought more about them, I justified seeing them.

That was too long and lame to make a point but I hope you got it. God never put me at the theaters, made me rent the movie, etc. I put myself into the situations because that is what I secretly wanted and God knew that. His voice is only as loud as you allow it and He does not force His will on us. If you keep allowing yourself and satan to supress His voice, it will go away and you’ll give in everytime.

I still watch the movies and don’t feel too bad about it. Why? I’ve justified it so watching them doesn’t seem too bad. I feel in my spirit that I shouldn’t watch but I do. It’s a lame struggle but I’m fighting between what I know to be right and actually doing it. Do I ask God for help? No. I feel ashamed because I feel like I’m playing games with God so I just don’t ask and keep watching the movies. It doesn’t seem so bad then. Am I sinning? Big time!

The above was my candor and I think many can put their own sin into my story and understand. If you want God to help you, He will but you have to really want His help. Do you really want His help?

If this is still a struggle for you, check out lovewonout.com.

“You’re still giving credit to the white man for things that the Most High is responsible for. I think that you’re far more obsessed with color than I could ever be. I don’t read “white books” or “black books”. I read books that corroborate the scriptures and history in the Bible in the spirit of truth. I’m the one that told you certain authors were caucasian because I know how a simple nigga like you thinks, “it came from the white man so it must true…”. Every book I have only has varying degrees of the truth but only the Bible has the complete Truth (Ecc 12:12-14, John 17:17). These whites have our historical records in their vaults and museums in America and Europe so of course they have more access to the truth. The Lord said that these other races would use archaeology to verify the scriptures (Psa 85:11, Jer 16:19, etc.). Some of the biggest liars and charlatans are these black authors that claim that we’re Egyptian or whatever (Jer 5:31). The Lord inspires a man to write a truthful piece of literature, not a “white man”, lol. I get my knowledge from the Most High, not a “white man”. That’s why when (or if) you read the Bible, it probably looks like hieroglyphics because you’re waiting for the “Great White Man” to give you the ultimate breakdown of the scriptures and you’re too conceited for the Lord to use you as a vessel. A series of questions for you: If the Lord was a black man, would you still want to go to heaven? When did the white man invent air and water? Did he rest on the 6th day or the 7th? When did he decide to make the earth round? Lol. As far as who was black in history, I could really get your panties bunched up if I started to list the notable men of history who were of our nation and were “whitewashed” but I’ll save that for another time. The Lord said that the white man would take many of the great men of history and make them white for his mind control and propaganda (Job 9:24). In 400 years, he might say that Michael Jordan was a caucasian.”

Oh shut up, Judah. You’re just one big ego with fingers.

Nothing you said has anything to do with the topic at hand. This argument wasn’t about color until you made it that way. Go back to the first page where you write an essay about your typical white conspiracy BS and then tell me I’m more about color than you’ll ever be. Your cyclical, conspiracy-based debating is childish at best because whenever anyone has something to say to you you find a way to steer it towards the bible and color, because if it was anything else you’d just have nothing to write about (your sentence-long posts in this topic is proof that you have nothing of worth to say. Bet you’re happy that you get to quote a few bible verses now, huh?). Grow up, Judah. You can say what you want about me no matter how false you know it is because you fail to acknowledge the truth: in the world of intellectual debate the bible is all you have, and in most cases that is not enough. Judah, you’re just one big pile of irrelevance.

Save your questions for someone dumb enough to answer them.

I’m done. Let me know when you have something to say that’s actually on topic, because I refuse to argue your screwed version religion, or give you the satisfaction of thinking that you managed to steer the conversation to something you know a little bit about.

First of all Tim Hardaway my have been Harsh in using the word hate. But let’s look at it God hates the Homesexual act not the Individual so we must educate people in that area . Being Gay is a choice and can never be compared to being Black. Homosexuality is a Choice and this is the real argument. Because I have never seen a man and woman have to come out of the closet.

# 193 You are not paying attention.

It is not that people accept or reject various readings of the Bible etc. The point is many do not subscribe to the Bible (and its teachings) at all. Your comments would only have merit if someone actually followed and believed in the Bible to begin with, which is not the case.

In essence, the Bible is a great work of literature– much like Homer’s Iliad and the Odyssey– that can be interpreted and read in many lights. However, you must remember it is nothing more than a collection of fables. No validity whatsoever.

@ #218

How do you know homosexuality is a choice when you yourself are not gay? Who gave you this divine power to know this?

I’m a straight girl and I cannot recall the moment I chose to like men, so what gives heteros any right to claim homosexuality is a choice when we haven’t the SLIGHTEST idea what it is like to be gay?

I think the very idea that homosexuality is NOT a choice scares the hell out of some people.

“Now, when I’d go to the movies to see something else, and a scary movie was playing at the same time, I went on my desire for the scary movie because I never allowed God in to start helping me. I’d feel bad afterwards but even when I was in the theater feeling bad about it, I chose to go.”

ChaCha…Please don’t compare the desire to feel the love and affection of a human being to your desire to see horror flicks..thats an atrocious comparison; that’s two way out completely different desires! You can LIVE without seeing horror flicks..It’s mighty had for a human being to live and be satisfied without the love, affection, advise, motivation, and body warmth of another human

mighty hard* and yep, that was certainly a ridiculous comparison

people who are gay can not help that they are gay, this has long been proven…..i have no problem with gays, they are just like U and I…..stop being ignorant and accept people as who they are… I stongly agree with #7

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SO ADAMANT AGAINST THE GAY COMMUNITY, PLEASE LIST SOME REASONABLE SOLUTIONS FOR THEIR “PROBLEM”…AND A LIFE OF ABSTINENCE AND NO RELATIONSHIPS (NO SUPPORT, NO LOVE, NO PHYSICAL TOUCH) IS NOT PRACTICAL TO ASK OF ANYBODY OTHER THAN MONKS WHO LIVE IN CAVES, AND EVERYONE CANNOT BENEFIT FROM A PRAYER (GOD DOESN’T MAKE EVERYONE’S DREAMS COME TURE) SO THAT’S ALSO NOT PRACTICAL, SO PLEASE

WHAT ARE YOUR SOLUTIONS?