FROM DUKESMAN2000:

“Don’t you dare compare disliking gays to racism. People don’t have a choice in what race they’ll be, but they do have a choice in their sexual appetite. Don’t get me wrong, both types of prejudices are wrong but are not on the same level. It’s like someone going into a store and shoplifts, is it the same as someone committing a quadruple homicide? They are both unlawful but on different levels.Timmy was wrong for saying that shit, but I understand where he is coming from. You know how many times John Amaechi must have patted him on the but during the course of his career?…..lmao. Tim must have reflected and felt funny…I understand!

There is also NO scientific evidence that homos are born, either. I don’t need science, all I need is what the Bible tells me. God does not make homos or straight people for that matter. Does God create serial killers and rapist? No…Babies are born with a “clean slate” and as that individual grows and develops his or her surroundings or life events shape what that person becomes, and that includes sexuality. Sexuality is a choice, my friend. Whether you choose to copulate with like genders, opposite genders or animals, it is your choice. So is abstinence!

So if you choose to be gay, that is your choice, I dont have a problem with it. But dont you ever try and tell me that’s the way you were born. And I will argue this point with anybody!”

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So lemme get this STRAIGHT…you’re stating that there is no scientific evidence that people are born gay, and then you turn around and talk about the bible like that is proof of anything? Ignorant. Did u know that in Exodus 21:7, it states that is okay to sell your daughter into slavery? In Exodus 35:2, it states that anyone working on the Sabbath should be executed. In Corinthians 11:14, it states that anyone with long hair (JESUS) “is a shame onto him.” In Corinthians 19:24, it states that it’s a sin for man to go near a woman when she’s on the rag. About how many of those rules do you agree with? Do you think selling your daughter into slavery is wrong? Because selling black people into slavery is considered morally wrong, (especially by black people), and yet you’re taking literal consideration from a book that encourages it’s followers to adhere to slavery and killing jewish people. That right there says it all. And if you believe he’s your god and he is unfalliable, you can’t just discard whatever rules you don’t like. That’s hypocrisy as it’s highest form. You’re getting your beliefs from a god who, according to the bible, killed the first born Egyptian children in Africa as one of the ten plagues. What a nice god killing babies like that.

Also, you can’t sit there and say being gay is a choice, when you aren’t gay. Really…how in the fuck would you know? That’s just as bad as these moron pshycologists claiming that some gay people have been turned heterosexual. Just because someone CLAIMS they were turned straight and never fuck the same sex again, that doesn’t mean that they’re not gay in their mind or still attracted to the same sex. And unless you have some sort of super powerful doorway to see within others’ minds, u seriously need to shut the fuck up, cuz u don’t know what ur talking about. People can’t help the way they are, the way they were born, and NO, it’s not a choice anymore than being black. Being an alocholic is a choice. Being a drug abuser is a choice. Being a doctor is a choice. Working at 7-11 is a choice. Being gay is NOT. You have absolutely no proof whatsoever to claim that people aren’t born gay, nor do you have any proof that what the bible is saying is true. And if you are not gay, then you definetly have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re making giant assumptions, which is probably easy for you when you’re taking the bible as being literal dictations. And only a black person would say that racial prejudice is worse than hating gays. Sorry but HATE IS HATE. That’s like saying the American slave traders are worse than the African people who sold their own people into slavery long before the Americans ever even showed up. It’s picking and choosing whatever conviently supports your argument. Go ahead and argue, but since you’re neither gay, nor a mind reader, nor a scientist, nor god, nothing you say means shit.

BTW, nowhere in the bible does it say shit about gay people or homos. That was added later when the bible’s text was *gasp* REVISED. That’s right. Not only was the bible written by a fucking committee, but as with most hypocritical morons like you, they later changed the passages to fit with the times. I guess they weren’t that important after all.

^ You dare question God’s methods? If you take the time to read the Bible, you would understand the reason why He let the firstborn Eygptian sons die.

BTW, it does say that a “man should NOT lay with another man”. But do not have anything against gay people. It is also that God that is allowing you to breathe right now.

^ In fact, let me stop myself right now. I don’t want to argue with you, because you have your opinion, and I have mine. So I’m gonna stop.

1NubianQueen said:
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They usually say those who try so hard to deny it are are normally caught up in that type of life style
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Um no, he could just feel that way about gay’s. I hate when people say things like this because your doing the exact same thing he did….and that give out assumptions. I don’t agee with him on alot of things, but I don’t agree with this comment^ either.

They usually say those who try so hard to deny it

^ of course I’m talking about this comment!

he’s just doing it for attention he needs something 2 put him back in the spotlight again

I wish black folks were as energetic at repairing the community as they are on subjects like this; thats the main reason Bush won the white house the second time he had all the black churches and the ministers in his pocket with the whole they are trying to make marriage legal issue Black folk you had betta wake up or go back to picking cotton

#232 I honeslty think this is a LOT more interesting than talking about Beyonce for 400 posts.

Oh how CONCEITED is he to think that every gay guy wants his sorry ass? Gay people like straight people have preferences too!! And oh yeah one thing….He is gay

Here’s my question: why is God even involved in this?

It would be a little more understandable introducing God and the Bible into this if Hardaway himself stated that his religious beliefs were the reason for his hatred of gays, but he didn’t say that. He gave no indication of where his hatred came from other than the fact that he hated them.

For all we know his religious beliefs have nothing to do with it. You don’t have to be a Christian to hate gay people. This debate isn’t even religious to begin with. It’s a social problem, and it’s only going to be resolved that way. Sorry, for some of you.

And besides, this is the same guy who threatened a cop’s life and tried to accuse the police of racial profiling because he got puled over driving over 100mph in a 40mph zone (and got off without a scratch, btw). I really don’t think whatever religious convictions this man may have plays any part in his life or the decisions he makes.

Don’t credit this guy by claiming his comments were thought out and involved any sort of religious conviction. This man is just an unintelligent bigot, plain and simple.

Couldn’t read everything. Just my two cents :

The difference between dislike and hate is that a dislike is an opinion (I don’t like oranges, I don’t like Akon’s music), but HATE is a strong negative EMOTION that leads to slurs and desire of DESTRUCTION/EXTERMINATION of what you hate.

I’m black, I COULD NOT CARE LESS IF A NON-BLACK DOESN’T LIKE THE COLOR OF MY SKIN. In fact, those people don’t define me and determine who I am and my worth. They don’t like it? Fine. As long as they don’t literally HATE me and use racial slurs or physically harm me and encourage others to physically harm or kill me, they don’t have to like me or get along with me. I do NOT have a problem with someone not liking me because I’m black, it’s THEIR LOSS not mine. Tell me I’m not smart or call me a gold digger because of my skin color, who gives a shit? You think I’m gonna lose sleep over someone who doesn’t like my skin or has issues with, say, my gender? You don’t validate me, or define me, or determine my worth.

But I have a problem with KKK and their propaganda that black people should die. I have a problem with KKKramer saying that 50 years from now “NIGGERS” would hang on trees. That’s not free speech that’s HATE message and/or propaganda.

Gay people don’t choose to be gay (have you even *decided* to fall in love with/be attracted to someone?) just like blacks don’t choose to be black. Tim doesn’t have to like gay people, in fact, gay people shouldn’t need any non-gay to validate them. Had he left it at “I don’t like gay people” I can sincerely say that I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But to imply that they shouldn’t be in the country or THE WORLD in the first place INDICATES that he has thoughts of EXTERMINATION that might one day lead to ACTIONS. That is not dislike that is HATE, and I have a problem with it.

Straight people trying to teach something to gays about their homosexuality is like white people trying to school you about the Black Experience, it’s ridiculous.

And Carrington, what you said is true :
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178. Carrington in Houston said:

People who do those things don’t HAVE to ask for acceptance, for the most part, it’s GIVEN…

You know how you have that uncle who brings his GIRLFRIEND to the family get togethers, while his WIFE is at home, and nobody says shit - he doesn’t HAVE to ask.

You know how you go in the barber shop and sell bootleg, translation STOLEN cd’s and EVERYBODY, gay and straight buys one - you don’t have to ASK for permission to bombard me with your SINFUL, stolen property, you just DO it.

You know how you go to the club and EVERYBODY in the crew is lookin for some pussy/fornication (even though they’re a) not married or b) MARRIED! - They don’t ask permisson, but it’s accepted by everyone in the group!

You know how you pick up a magazine and see a picture of Beyonce/Janet/Deelishus and you LUST after her… as a CHRISTIAN, (hypothetically) yo’uve invaded my space and belief systems when I can’t pay for my gas without seeing ass or tiddys… did anyone ASK me to do that? They dont HAVE to.

I’ll say again, it’s a double-standard that has put homosexuality at the top of the sin hirarchy, even though there are 10 COMMANDMENTS that we brush aside because what? THOSE apply to us, fuck that fact that I steal, fuck the fact that I fucked my brothers girl, fuck the fact that I’m married and fucking PERIOD, fuck the fact that I WANT to fuck my neighbors wife, FUCK the fact that I bear false witness…. how bout them punks!

LOL

this fool must of not seen what happened to the grey’s anatomy dude

fuck faggots preach brother tim hardaway

WAT A FUK U SERIOU?ACTUALLY U R THE ONE WWHO SHULD NT BE LOWED AM NOT GAY NOR HETERO BT IM SO SAD FOR U I HATE NO GAYS OR ANYONE WHO HAS DIFFRENT SEXUALITY THAN MINE COS ITS NONE OF MY BIZZ,U JUST WANT ATTTENTION?NO WONDER U RETIRED

God is LOVE, LOVE is God! Period CASE CLOSED….

The thing I mostly had a problem with is how IGNORANT and poorly he spoke. Ugh, first…he needs to attend some elloqution classes because is speech is God awful. So not only did he open up his mouth to preach hatred, he went on the air as a public black figure and gave one of the worst delivered stances ever. I was sitting there asking myself, why does he sound like his education stopped at the elementary school level. No sentence structure whatsoever. Just a mess. And yes people are entitled to their own opinion…but like my mom always told me…everyone has an opinion like everyone has an ASSHOLE, so basically what Im trying to say…nothing but SHIT came out of his mouth during that interview, ignorant bastard!

Wow these are the last days! what a world we live in when you can be slammed for saying I hate Gays but if someone stood up and said I hate JESUS no one would have to be sent to rehab for that- that would just be their “Personal opinion” first of all to those people saying that they are BORN GAY that is a LIE! that’s saying that God contradicted himself. It would be like him saying I despise homosexuality but I’m going to make gay people anyway (read about sodom and gomorrah in the bible and how that city was destroyed!) or him saying I dont like killing or stealing but I’m gonna to make some people that way WHY WOULD HE DO THAT! THINK PEOPLE!!! If you believe there is a God then do know that there is also a devil who obviously pollute minds. MOST gays do not have a spritual background so to them throwing some bible verses at them does not mean a thing because they may not believe in God or take his words seriuosly. YES there is NO SIN GREATER THAN THE NEXT, but the difference between other sins and homosexuality is homosexuals dont believe that they are sinning when you rape someone or kill someone you know what your doing is wrong (unless you are crazy inside your head!) why not the same for homosexuality when they all follow under the same catagory? I use to be homophobic but I have some friends who happen to be gay and my hate changed when it hit home they know where I stand on the subject but I don’t love them no less because I am in love with the PERSON not their lifestyle. I let God handle their situation because it’s not for me to deal with I AM NOT GOD! I agree with some of you on here don’t talk about how it’s wrong in God eyes when you are probably out having premarital sex or commiting adultery or doing God knows what because you have no right to judge if you are not living the bible to the T. That goes for me too.

THE WORLD IS A SAD PLACE TODAY. IT IS SUCH A SHAME TO SEE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD SUPPORTING PURE EVIL. HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG. THOSE OF YOU SAYING THAT IT IS RIGHT ARE BRINGING SOMETHING BAD OVER YOURSELF.

ATLEAST MY CHILDREN AND MY CHILDREN’S CHILDREN AND ETC. ALONG WITH MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST WILL KNOW THAT THIS IS WRONG AND SOMETHING THAT STEMS FROM THE DEVIL.

I just saw your comment @ Meatloaf just because you too are a in the closet fudge packer. Dont be mad @ me because your trifling brethren is not mature enough to handle this topic and from your post I can tell neither are you punk ass!

#11- Point: All homosexual men do not fancy all straight men’s pecker. It’s quite possible that this homosexual NBA player doesn’t give a damn what you look like naked.
Direction: Get a clue.

#15- Point: The bible does not condemn homosexuality as a orientation. The idea of homosexuality didn’t exist when the bible was written. Yes, homosexual sex was referred to, but this only appeared in Levitical laws for non-gentile Jews within the temple. Of course these laws also condemned the consumption of
shellfish, but who’s not scarfing down shrimp?
Direction: Get informed.

i agree with #2 HOWEVER… we live in a climate where our celebrities should refrain from EVERYTHING they feel… Everything felt shouldn’t be shared!

We are all created equal, and the choices we make determine who we are. At some point in our life, we decide to be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or reframe from sex all together. When do we make this choice? Maybe it when we are embryo’s, or is when we are born. Then again, it could be when we speak our first words; I could go on and on about when the choice is made. No matter what choice we have made, we are all equal.

The problem we all have with sexuality is all tied to what is considered equal in terms of the law. If your choice is to be a homosexual, then that’s your choice and you should be treated with respect. I for one don’t respect your choice and probably never will respect your choice, but I will always respect you for making that choice. Obviously I chosen to be heterosexual and that choice blinds me to view homosexuals as being equal to my sexuality, and my view will not change no matter what the law says. I will respect you, by not showing any hatred towards your sexuality, because it takes strength to make a choice that is viewed as incorrect in terms of the bible, the law, and the majority.

Tim Hardaway, chose to voice his opinion and exercise is right of free speech. In his case, he forgot about the restriction put on that right. He should have been aware of the legal issues with gay rights and the battle they are having with their equality to others. His phony apology will not make up for his disrespect to homosexuals.

#193 (Jim H):

You built and stated your case beautifully!! Notice, there’s not a whole lot of people responding to your post and the LOVE in which you stated it. Why? Because there is NO argument when a Christian is giving you the WORD, giving scientific and credible EVIDENCE for the Intelligent-set, not being judgmental and showing the LOVE of God, and being TRANSPARENT about the fact that no sin is higher or worse than any other.

I am a Christian and do not apologize for it anymore than a gay person will apologize for their decision to be gay. I’ve spoken about God on several topics and will clearly say in this one: I don’t agree with Homosexuality and make a stand for God’s natural way of doing things.

I chose God, b/c He shined a light on my sins, my way of thinking that led to the sins, and what I was doing. So, there’s no changing my mind or my heart about who God is to me.

However, I also say: “Respect begats Respect”. I can, and will, exhibit respect for my fellow man. But, that doesn’t mean I have to agree with or accept any decision a person has made for their lives.

Instead of tearing at each other’s beliefs, when are we going to let this discussion be open and give transparent dialogue about the topic? I’ve tried to listen to and understand the reasoning a gay/lesbian person gives for why they are the way they are, but it all comes back to a decision:

God and His way of doing things vs. YOU doing what YOU want to do without respect for the consequences down the line. There’s no gray area. This applies to ALL of us, not just one group of people.

All of us–Christians, Gays, or whomever– will have to give an account for our decisions. He said for us to choose Life or Death, Blessings or Cursings in Deuteronomy. Life & Death is built into every decision we make. There’s a lot of doubters on here who have no concept of how real the spiritual realm (God, Jesus, Satan, Heaven, Hell, Angels, and Demons) really is.

Bottom line: Babies, your souls are at stake and a lot of you are just talking what you’ve been taught: Political Correctness and the School of “Do what you want”. You are being deceived.

As an Ambassador for Christ, I care about what happens to you when you leave this earth. You say you believe in God. How can you not believe He’s not crying at the animosity with which some of you talk about him and the Bible? How can you not believe He doesn’t want you to truly see that you are being blinded by the Bling, the Celebrity life, the sexual freedom, and everything else so much that you can’t see the same rapper who put the bling in his video crying b/c he is empty, caught up in a life he thought was all that, and can’t feed his family; The celebrity who has wealth, but no love and is empty; The pregnancies, the disease, and the soul ties behind sexual freedom, and the mess going on behind closed doors–BECAUSE PEOPLE’S HEARTS AREN’T RIGHT–THEY’RE EMPTY–AND DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.

Ultimately, you’re going to do what you want to do (Life or Death), and I don’t condemn you for that. But, I do encourage you not to wait until Jesus comes back in order to believe. If you have questions, PM me and I will answer them honestly. I don’t claim to be a perfect Christian, but I am Committed and I am using the Word to be perfected.

In the end, every knee WILL bow and EVERY tongue WILL confess that Jesus is Lord. Love you Babies!

being gay is a sin so tim is only stating facts stop dissin the crossover king

Plain and simple:

God is love, but there are things that He hates too!

Don’t underestimate the power of God to change a gay person who reads CL.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior!

Marriage is an institution created by God to be intered into by a man and woman!

Homosexuality, adultry, stealing, lying = all sins

Only gays seek acceptance for their immorality!

A Godly person should not cope with unrighteousness!

The gays on CL have united and come out of their closets like never before! Damn!

There is no scientific basis for gay opinions about the way they were born!

There is scientific and religious evidence to prove that God did not create a man’s ass for another man penis!

Homophobia is no worst than Homocoalition or Homoterroism!

After God said, “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone”…He told the adultrous woman, “to go and sin no more”!

I’m no better than the worst person on this planet, but gays need to go and sin no more!

Most of the gays on CL have very limited and prescripted knowledge of the Bible!

There are gays on CL who struggle every day of their lives with the guilt and shame of their choices!

There are gays on CL who have become infected inspite of the guilt and warning…even some harsh warning!

Tim Hardaway may sound politically incorrect to some people, but he was led by his manhood!

Jesus was considered politically incorrect by the ruling class!

God’s word changed the hearts of millions of racist!

God’s word has the power to change the hearts of the most confused homosexual, theif or murderer!

Brian is not being totally honest if he says he doesn’t care about this topic!

Homosexuality can be unlearned just like it was learned!

Its not good for a bunch of men to be alone! hehe!

Without a clit, the sex ain’t $#!T! hehe!

Miss Jay Alexander is a Hot Ass Mess!

Queen Latifah and Missy Elliot are Hot Ass Messes!

As the number of gays increase on CL, this site will lose its mainstream popularity and become a slant!

#222Whatlove…

You missed my point. I even said the example was weak. Read what I said again and try to look pass the example I used and get deeper into the context.

Thx.

TANNA AKA NE-HO said: He talked about how in the Bible it says something about women who pray without their heads covered are shaming the Lord and should have their hair shaved off.

Christ Is Our Covering.

@ Dukesman2000

I am so happy to see another man who believes they are right, regardless of the truth around them. It is not a choice it is a life…If you are so sure it is a choice walk in the shoes a black gay person in this society. Why would anyone choose to be further marginalized? Tim Hardaway made ignorant hated-filled comments and based on your comments you do not seem very far behind…
My brother embace love not HATE
You’re Jamaican and that explains a great deal the culture accepts nothing homosexual, that is why there are popular songa about burning up gays…
Your Gay Jamaican sister

243. NIKKY,

That was a powerful message and warning you gave! I beg to differ with only your last point.

You said:

“I agree with some of you (gays) on here don’t talk about how it’s wrong in God eyes when you are probably out having premarital sex or commiting adultery or doing God knows what because you have no right to judge if you are not living the bible to the T.”

God uses ordinary people to do his work! And yes, even ministers and preachers are not perfect! All have sinned, but we still are the salt of the earth! So, where does that leave us! The void in your statement is in the word “probably”! You could have explained that we all are guilty of sin, but you would be making a general statement to prove a specific point! Gays admit their sin and immorality to Christians everyday and then they want us to accept it! They confess it everyday and continue in their sin! Therein lies the difference between the adulter and the homosexual! Both know what their doing is wrong, but one tries to hide or repent and the other tries to hide or gain accptance! You can’t judge what you don’t know! You can judge what you do know! That’s called righteous judgement…its in the word!

We think that Beyonce’ sleeps with JayZ, but you know what, I haven’t heard her or him say that they were having sex like Janet Jackson who tells it all! I know she’s a ho! When Pittyboy, Brian, mar315, TANNA AKA NE-HO and Antwanm nem say their gay, their telling me that they’re having premarital, immoral, illicit sex with other men!

If a woman came on CL and said that she lays down with men who are not her husband, what would be the difference between me calling her promiscuous or a hoe or a fornicator or a sinner?

So, don’t bite your tongue like Tim Hardaway after all the good points you made! This topic is about gay issues, not about your and my sinful thoughts and ways! You and I didn’t come on here asking for acceptance! I pray that we repent from our mess!

But hey, I don’t even know what you struggle with cause you haven’t confessed anything on CL! Maybe the gays should confess to God rather coming on CL trying to defend something they know is wrong!

Even the woman caught in adultry kept her mouth shut! They were prepared to cast stones and kill that woman! She wasn’t asking people to cope with her freakiness! God’s word is meant to kill the behavior, not the sinner! He told her to go, but the sin should stop!

I’m no better than the worst person on this planet, but gays need to go and sin no more!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! You are a mess.

253. Bee Bee, You are correct! I also explained to Neho that was Old Testament teaching! But, he’s just repeating something he heard on TV and he has limited understanding about what he said! Gays want to get into a argument about “litteral” versus “symbolic” Bible instructions! Then they can discredit the instructions that pertain to them!

@ 51. Saddamnyouall - Obviously, you are not aware that people have been lynched, burned, and made into lampshades because of the sexual orientation. Your sexual orientation knows no race.

For those of you that are taking the Bible at “face value” and being the reasoning behind your reasoning for why homosexuality is wrong - do you also prescribe to the “black makr” that was used to say that Blacks were inferior to Whites? You can’t use parts that suit you and ignore the rest. If we are all made in God’s or Goddesses’ image - then there must be room for all.

I have a question about gay ppl though. Why is there always one “manly” one with a “feminine” one? Why you rarely see two “lipstick lesbians” together or two “studs” together. Or two sissy men together and two thuggish men together? Seems like they know it should be a man and woman and they duplicate it in their own way. I’m not passing judgment on anyone. I just always noticed that.

Stop quoting the Bible regarding homosexuality (or, for most things for that matter).

Most of you do not know why you believe what you have been taught to believe, or who originally told you to believe it.

Anyone who knows anything about King James I of England (the guy who put the Bible together — “King James Version”) was a known HOMOSEXUAL. He put shit in the Bible and twisted and interpreted things to quash his own fears and guilt and other political aims.

Even wikipedia has this info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_England (under ‘Personal Relationships’): …”The love the King showed men was…conveyed as if he…thought them ladies…resemble in the effeminateness of their dressings…whorish looks and wanton gestures they exceeded any part of womankind…kissing them after so lascivious a mode in public.”

“Responding to deflect the growing criticism over his sexuality James adopted a severe stance towards sodomy using English law. His book on kingship…lists sodomy among those “horrible crimes which ye are bound in conscience never to forgive.”

The question of homosexuality is a social one, not religious / spiritual one. Keep the debate there.

As I have humbly suggested to many of my poor, ignorant bros and sis on this site, start READING! World history, religious history, or political science before you open your mouths on moral or social issues.

1. Stop quoting the Bible regarding homosexuality (or, for most things for that matter).

2. Most of you do not know why you believe what you have been taught to believe, or who originally told you to believe it.

3. Anyone who knows anything about King James I of England (the guy who put the Bible together — “King James Version”) was a known HOMOSEXUAL. He put shit in the Bible and twisted and interpreted things to quash his own fears and guilt and other political aims.

4. Even wikipedia has this info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_England (under ‘Personal Relationships’): …”The love the King showed men was…conveyed as if he…thought them ladies…resemble in the effeminateness of their dressings…whorish looks and wanton gestures they exceeded any part of womankind…kissing them after so lascivious a mode in public.”

“Responding to deflect the growing criticism over his sexuality James adopted a severe stance towards sodomy using English law. His book on kingship…lists sodomy among those “horrible crimes which ye are bound in conscience never to forgive.”

5. The question of homosexuality is a social one, not religious / spiritual one. Keep the debate there.

6. As I have humbly suggested to many of my poor, ignorant bros and sis on this site, start READING! World history, religious history, or political science before you open your mouths on moral or social issues.

254. Shani2sweet, Allow me to respond to your comments: Why would Dukeman want to walk in gay shoes to prove a point to you? That’s like asking Christ to yield to temptation, so He could feel the joy of sin!

And you asked, “Why would anyone choose to be further marginalized?” Cause the devil is a lie! That’s why!!! Why would Whitney walk from the red carpet to the crackhouse? Why did O.J. run from the limelight to a life of murder and shame?

We all wake up one morning and say, “WTF have I gotten myself into?” Women and men wake up in strange beds and when they sober up they pray to God that they’re not infected with HIV! Driving to the clinic, they say, God if you just let the results be negative, I’ll never get drunk again! And, some never make the same mistake again! But, others are weak…like the homosexual, and they keep going back and praying for the results! God is not a mock! The people parish for lack of knowledge!

So, I ask you why would anyone choose to be futher marginalized? “Iganant!!!” They can design an outfit or style hair or layout a 5 star Myspace page, but they refuse to listen to God’s word!

Gays should be immulating and thanking Dukesmann rather than trying to offend him! He and Judah are actually trying to help them! But, when some fish take the bait…they take hook, line and sinker!

Now, you’re asking Dukesmann to walk in they’re shoes??? No way!

262. windwalker1313,

I see a lot of double talk from you! hehe! God’s word is infalable…and yes it was written by imperfect men, but God was the Editor! You would be the biggest fool on this site and planet if you think that King James could out wit God to preserve his own “sexy” like P. Diddy did with Propicia!

The King James version had to match the original manuscripts! There is a vein of righteous in the word that man can’t manipulate! Blasphemey to the one who attribute to the spirit that which is of the devil! Be careful! You’re getting real crafty with your stans!

I suggest you stop calling yourself humble and ask for forgiveness! Its not humble to boast about all the world history, religious history, or political science that you’ve read! hehe! Busted! And, the next time you go to wikipedia, type in the search for, “be weary of many books”! You’ll be better equip on judgement day to understand your plight!

Someone forgot to tell King James that homosexuality was a social issue, because the Bible is clear on God’s stans!

Meatoaf:

“253. Bee Bee, You are correct! I also explained to Neho that was Old Testament teaching! But, he’s just repeating something he heard on TV and he has limited understanding about what he said! Gays want to get into a argument about “litteral” versus “symbolic” Bible instructions! Then they can discredit the instructions that pertain to them!”

I’ve done my best to ignore your foolishness in here, but I have to speak up on this. That passage he talks about is from the New Testament (I Corinthians) you damn dumbass. Go sit down somewhere, you haven’t contributed anything meaningful to this discussion. You type just to enjoy the click-clack of the keyboard.

Just Curious:
“I have a question about gay ppl though. Why is there always one “manly” one with a “feminine” one? Why you rarely see two “lipstick lesbians” together or two “studs” together. Or two sissy men together and two thuggish men together? Seems like they know it should be a man and woman and they duplicate it in their own way. I’m not passing judgment on anyone. I just always noticed that.”

I don’t know where you noticed that, because I’ve never really seen it. In most cases, actually, it’s usually like goes with like. You see more studly guys going for the other studly guys because they’re attracted to MEN, not sissies. And it’s usually sissies that go for the studly guys because they themselves are attracted to men and feel, in most cases incorrectly, that the more feminine they act the more attracted to them guys will be (it’s the societies concept of the “perfectly balnced heterosexual relationship” and some gays fall for it. The woman has to be dainty and meek for a man to want them, and some guys adopt those traits unconciously to attract men. There’s an interesting paper about the whole thing. Though, sometimes there are femme acting guys because, well, that’s just who they are). And that’s actually true for some guys, but it is FAR from being the majority.

You know what I recently had a conversation about this with one of my friends. I dont understand why people take such a strong stance on the subject of homosexuality. People say they dont like gay people or “hate” gay people but what is the reason behind it. YOU CANT CATCH IT!!!!! LOL. Some people say they would stop being friends with people if they found out that they were gay but I cant understand that at all. Thats like saying we can only be friends if you have sex with or just like a certain type of person and then we wonder why there are so many people on the DL. What really gets me is when people pull the GOD card using GOD to justify why they dont like it, saying GOD said it is wrong but those same people that use GOD as their excuse are breaking the other 9 comandments LOL!!!! Lets get real and start Loving each other. Nobody likes a hater!!!

249. Jqueen, I just read what you wrote! Right on!

I wish I had your eloquence! hehe!

#264, Please, bro.

1. “Lord was the Editor”? You must be kidding.

2. “KJV had to match the original manuscript”? Says who — he was the KING?

3. “Blasphemy to the spirit of the devil”? Omg.

4. I “ask for forgiveness”? From whom and for what? Using reason, logic, the human mind (what God gave me to navigate the waters of life on this planet). That is a dumb suggestion.

5. Yes, “be weary of many books.” Try the one you keep using to shape your ignorant and baseless political views.

6. People can be Christian, Muslim, Jew, or whatever. But, read about your beliefs BEFORE you believe them.

7. Your ignorance can kill you. But more importantly, as in the case of many oppressed and abused people throughout world history, YOUR ignorance may get SOMEONE ELSE killed or hurt.

8. Btw…the history, words, and actions of King James I are all over the place — not just on wikipedia. I just tried to save you the time of running to the library.

“Instead of tearing at each other’s beliefs, when are we going to let this discussion be open and give transparent dialogue about the topic? I’ve tried to listen to and understand the reasoning a gay/lesbian person gives for why they are the way they are, but it all comes back to a decision:

God and His way of doing things vs. YOU doing what YOU want to do without respect for the consequences down the line. There’s no gray area. This applies to ALL of us, not just one group of people. ”

But there’s the difference. You, being a heterosexual, can live your life according to God’s will and be perfectly happy. You can live, love, and marry and still be A-Ok with God, because what God wants for you doesn’t go against your basic human nature on fundamental levels.

When people ask homosexuals to make that decision, they’re asking them to deny a fundamental aspect of who they are. Homosexuality isn’t either/or. For most it isn’t just “ok, since I can’t be with men I’ll just go and get a wife”. Some do that, but it never mentally works that way, which is why the DL is such a huge issue now. Asking homosexuals to shuck their desires is basically asking them to deny a core of their being: their right to love who they want and be with who they want.

That’s not a decision anyone else has to make.

Okay, so I took someone’s advice from yesterday and when I woke up this morning I “chose” to no longer be gay and am now totally and completely STRAIGHT. *crickets chirping*

#265 pittyboi,

You do your best to ignore me, because my words cut like a knife! hehe! Head covering for women began in the Old Testament as a part of the Mosaic Laws! In the New Testament, Christ became the fulfillment of that law! You should concentrate more on getting understanding rather than trying to find a chink in my armour! Will someone please explain Old Testament teaching to pityful?

I’m giving you and BeeBee clerification and all you want to do is prove me wrong…on something…anything! Why is that? Oh, I know…I’ve proven you wrong on so many other occasions! Now, I suggest you start back to praying and stop defending your lies! Keep reading though…the homocoalitions is awefully quiet today?

BTW, why so much pain and suffering in your tone? I know its a bitter pill, but you don’t have to take it alone! Jesus is waiting to get involved and straighten out your life…style! Trust in Him because, as you can see, all the rest of your coalition has abondoned you! hehe! God won’t leave you!

OMT - You know my true test of meaningful contribution to this or any discussion is when others mirror my thoughts and when you start squeeling. That means I’m getting through! Now, just wait until the Lord decides to breathe on you!

“You do your best to ignore me, because my words cut like a knife! hehe! Head covering for women began in the Old Testament as a part of the Mosaic Laws! In the New Testament, Christ became the fulfillment of that law! You should concentrate more on getting understanding rather than trying to find a chink in my armour! Will someone please explain Old Testament teaching to pityful?”

Yeah, because YOU obviously can’t. So shut up, you’re only revealing your own ignorance. That passage is from the New Testament taught by a follower of Christ, so how exactly is it Old Testament teaching? Wait? Why am i asking you? Of Course you won’t know.

“I’m giving you and BeeBee clerification and all you want to do is prove me wrong…on something…anything! Why is that? Oh, I know…I’ve proven you wrong on so many other occasions! Now, I suggest you start back to praying and stop defending your lies! Keep reading though…the homocoalitions is awefully quiet today?”

I see a flaw in your logic. You’re not providing clarification if you’re being proved wrong, unless of course lies are clarification in your book. Your stupidity is baffling, Meatloaf, and you’ve never proven me wrong on anything. You’re a jester, hopping around claiming victories that were never yours, and everyone sees it.

“BTW, why so much pain and suffering in your tone? ”

My tone? Can you hear me now, Meatload?

“but you don’t have to take it alone! Jesus is waiting to get involved and straighten out your life…style! Trust in Him because, as you can see, all the rest of your coalition has abondoned you! hehe! God won’t leave you!”

Let God do his supposed work. You go back to hitting on simple underage girls (or boys) on the net. Save the preaching for a discussion where it’s appropriate and to people who have a much better command of the word than you do.

268. windwalker1313, you’re just being silly now! King James did not pull a fast one over on God and you know that! Don’t play with the spirit! The Bible is a Holy book and those who say its not are setting themselves up for more than just your minor repercutions! That’s big time blastphemey! God is Holy!

Pittyboy said: “since I can’t be with men I’ll just go and get a wife”. No one is asking you to do that! You act like sex with another is the core of your being! hehe! You better ask somebody! Your homosexuality has become more important to you than your soul! That’s what happens to crackheads! The crack becomes more important than life, family and God! You’d better get help! Christ’s died for our sins, not our right to continue with immorality! There is a standard of righteous! God is Holy!

WTF???? You’re getting a little desperate, pittyboi! Don’t forget, you’re the one who’s on the defense, not me! I’m on the offense! I don’t share in with you’re public display of immorality! I’m a man who only wants a woman! hehe!

Now, I guess its my duty to say goodbye and have a happy Holiday weekend! So, you won’t keep making up bogus accusations expecting a response from me! I’m leaving now for the All-Star weekend!

Pray and avoid other gay men!

#273, Poor Meatloaf, either you are trying to be funny, foolish, and coy.

….OR, you really are ignorant (nothing personal, you are what you are). You have not taken the time to study and challenge the core tenets of your religion, nor the reasons for your personal beliefs.

As such, your are easily misled. Fine by me! Foolish people make the lives of ‘aware and engaged’ people that much easier.

I am bored toying with you.

You are your own worst enemy. God luck out there!

Bye

#273, Poor Meatloaf, either you are trying to be funny, foolish, and coy.

….OR, you really are ignorant (nothing personal, you are what you are). You have not taken the time to study and challenge the core tenets of your religion, nor the reasons for your personal beliefs.

As such, your are easily misled. Fine by me! Foolish people make the lives of ‘aware and engaged’ people that much easier.

I am bored toying with you.

You are your own worst enemy. Good luck out there!

Bye

@ 217

You tell me to “shut up”. That doesn’t sound very “open-minded”. That doesn’t sound very “democratic”. You’re like a homosexual Nazi or something, lol. I love when I can get a demon like you riled up, which is becoming more consistent amongst you homos and lesbos, lol. You’re starting to go into an emotional rant brother and that’s not a good look for an “intellectual homosexual”. You’re always welcome to edify me if you can, lol. How’s that research on Septimius Severus going after I taught you about him? You and I both know that I can speak on a myriad of topics so please don’t waste your time trying to belittle me because you’re frustrated. We can debate worldly topics all day but it’s fruitless and it’s all so you can exalt yourself and have people tell you how smart you are. Why would I ask you for your opinion when the Most High has already given me the facts, I mean please. “The Bible is not enough…” Wow, you’re very bold and that statement encapsulates you in a nutshell. Typical vain homo. You’re very angry, lol. I might start charging you with copyright infringement if you keep copy and pasting my posts.

You hate when I bring up the scriptures because YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND them and it offends you. The Lord has blocked your understanding because you’re a homosexual(Isa 44:18). You’re smart enough to never try to go into the scriptures because you know I’ll rip your madness to shreds. You really think your opinion or another man or woman’s opinion matters huh? This shit is fun to me man. The prophecies read like ancient Greek to you so everything I say is a “conspiracy”, lmao. I feel sorry for you. No I don’t actually, lol. It starts and ends with the Lord’s Word (Isa 48:12), which like I’ve said, you cannot comprehend, and that bothers you, because you want to be on par with the Most High. So don’t ever think that you can insult me by saying that I relate everything to the Bible because everything exists in juxtaposition to the Lord’s Word. The scripture tells you that (II Tim 3:15-17).

Memo to the homosexuals: Everytime an issue on homosexuality comes up it will always become a biblical discussion, whether Tim Hardaway is a devout Christian or an atheist. The reason why the homosexuals hate when the Lord’s Word becomes a factor is because it adds legitimacy to the argument against that lifestyle. That’s why you see these homos foolishly trying to disprove the scriptures, lol. Did he “threaten a cops life” or did he allegedly threaten a cop’s life? No difference right, just throw the nigger in jail with the other straight black men you hate so they can come out as homos and love you right?

@225

The only solution for their problem is the return of Christ and their ultimate judgement. It’s not about anger or violence, it is what it is. This land that people love so much is the daughter of Babylon. A man or woman that is trying to serve the Most High would be a fool to think that something righteous can come from this land (Rev 18:2,3).

@226

You a clown, lol. There has always been slavery on planet earth and there will always be slavery (Psa 149:6-9, Isa 14:1-4, Rev 13:9,10, etc.) There would be no America (the country that allows you to frolic) without the enslavement of the “blacks” which was predicted in the scriptures (Deut 28:68). There are more slaves worldwide now than at any time in history. Like a normal homo(if you’re a homo), you either misquoted every scripture or took it completely out of context. The scripture says to sell your daughter as a “servant”. The Israelites had rules on how to treat their servants and their slaves. They weren’t chattel. It was usually done to pay off debts which is more just than throwing someone in prison for debt. After the debt was paid off you would get your child back. Every seven years the Hebrews would free their Hebrew servants regardless of whether the debts were paid or not (Deut 15:1-17, Jer 34:8,9). The white man takes your child for disciplining them and doesn’t give them back most of the damn time. The Israeiltites only enslaved the other nations not their own people(Lev 25:44-46, I Chron 22:2,3, etc.) Where’s Corinthians 19:24? Lol. That must be in Satan’s Bible. Who in their right mind would sleep with a woman on her menstrual cycle, lol (Lev 15:19-25) There’s a difference between the authors of the Bible (Psa 68:11, Jer 30:2, I Pet 1:21, etc.) and the translators. Obviously the Bible had to be translated in different languages because the Lord said that he would scatter Israel and they would speak the languages of their captors (Isa 28:11, Deut 32:26,27).

Cor 11:14 is not an indictment of Christ because Christ had an afro or he wore his hair in cornrows like the Israelites did during that time. It was talking about men who let their cornrows get too long and they considered that feminine. Sometimes the men and women would straighten their hair with what was known as a “crisping pin”(Isa 3:22) which was a hotcomb. That’s why Paul came back in I Tim 2:9 and spoke against “broided hair” which is hair weave. Black women were doing that from back then. You’re damn right the Lord killed the firstborn of the Egyptians. The Lord is the one who kills (Deut 32:39, I Sam 2:6, Isa 45:7, Psa 68:20, etc.). Get over it.

As far as where homosexuality gets condemned, try throughout the Bible. (Gen 19:1-28., Lev 18:22, 20:13, Deut 23:17, I Kings 15:11,12, 22:45,46, Rom 1:24-27, 32, Jude 1:7, etc.). The scripture speaks against a man even being “effeminate” much less a homosexual (I Cor 6:9). I’m telling you, you brothers and sisters better arm yourself with this Word because it’s no joke how these people are trying to force their ways on others. The Homo Gestapo.

@261 Windtalker

Brother, I think you’re the one that needs to do better research. The lie that King James was a homosexual was one, in a series of concerted attempts and plots by the Catholic Church to defame his good name. The lie was started by Anthony Weldon because King James kicked him out of his court. Get your shit straight brother(no pun intended)

“. You’re always welcome to edify me if you can, lol. How’s that research on Septimius Severus going after I taught you about him? You and I both know that I can speak on a myriad of topics so please don’t waste your time trying to belittle me because you’re frustrated. We can debate worldly topics all day but it’s fruitless and it’s all so you can exalt yourself and have people tell you how smart you are. Why would I ask you for your opinion when the Most High has already given me the facts, I mean please. “The Bible is not enough…” Wow, you’re very bold and that statement encapsulates you in a nutshell. Typical vain homo. You’re very angry, lol. I might start charging you with copyright infringement if you keep copy and pasting my posts.”

LOL–and it’s not a good look that you’re starting to sound just like meatoaf. Was that boasting I detected in your posts? Oh, I think it was.

You haven’t taught me a damn thing. I could have debated you on Septimius Severus my freshman year of high school, so get that shit out of here. I think that was the same discussion where you posted an eroded statue and tried to claim they were trying to chip the blackness of its face when the same erosion was apparent on every part of the statue in no particular pattern, including it’s clothing. AND the very same discussion where you posted a screen shot from a movie in order to prove your “intelligent” point. Judah, you know your way around the English language and the bible. But in an intellectual and secular (oh, there’s that evil word), you have proven time and time again that you don’t have a leg to stand on. You’ve proven your ignorance in science as well as politics, and of course you can cover it up with your typical “I rely on the Word and that’s all I need” excuse but the truth of the matter is, that excuse only holds sway with people foolish enough to be pulled in by it; it definitely has no sway on people with knowledge of the word AND world, and especially those who don’t believe in the “word” to begin with.

You’re a small bag of tricks Judah, and with every discussion that fact become apparent.

So, as I said, I’m done with you until you can debate to social aspects of this discussion, because that’s all I’m concerning myself with (and it sure as hell isn’t due to any fear of you). Judah, you couldn’t ruffle my feathers on a good day.

Oh, and…

“Did he “threaten a cops life” or did he allegedly threaten a cop’s life? ”

Why don’t you look it up? Maybe you’re good at that much…

Cosign #178, #213, #219, #220/221, #226, #236/237, #254

#217 - Tell ‘em dawg.

#218 - The very idea of putting “God” and “hate” in the same sentence is just ridiculous. Hate is a human quality that God doesn’t even know exists. “Sin” is a fabrication of institutionlized religion to control the weak minded masses and take money from fools who believe they need to be forgiven. There is no such thing as sin people. This is what “go and sin no more” means. The only way a human could possibly “sin no more” would be if there is no such thing as sin. Think about it. Jesus’ message was of love, forgiveness and atonement. Atonement and forgiveness are tools to lead us to the truth of there not being any “sin.” The message is to LOVE one another beyond what we believe to be sin. Sin is a fabrication of the mind and the idea that we are separate from God. We are not and can never be separate from Him.

#226 - Preach ON! I’ve tried to school some of these blind fools on the Bible but their minds seem to be too vacant and tractable to even do their own research.

#239 - *sigh* You are in my prayers.

#241 - Yes, yes, YES! Thank you!

#243 - Although your post is somewhat contradictory and hypocritical, at least you seem to realize it! If God does indeed “hate” homos than why did he create them is like asking if God does indeed “hate” sinners than why are ANY of us here?

MEATLOAF you’re obviously without sin. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No really, aren’t you the Second Coming? I knew there was a perfect man walking on earth somewhere but who knew he could be found right here on CL!?!?!

#260 - I can’t agree with you more. For whatever reason hypocrites (i.e. MEATLOAF, JUDAH & DUKESMAN2000) like to use homosexuals and homosexuality as scapegoats to distract themselves from their own guilt for having “sinned.” Somehow their “sins” aren’t to be looked at or examined or talked about. They’d rather disparage homos to make themselves feel better about not being capable of being “sinless,” thus believing that they’re going to hell. It’s all just too ridiculous.

The truth is that if you really believe in the Bible you can’t help but be confused and afraid because the Bible is full of contradictions and vengeance, starting with Genesis. How is it that Adam and Eve populated the planet? That would automatically involve incest. Adam and Eve had kids. Okay, so where did everyone else come from? SOMEbody SOMEwhere had to have sex with their own brother/sister/mother/father for the rest of us to have gotten here here if the Bible is accurate.

#278, You are wrong. I will have no more discussion with you on the point.

#278, Meatloaf. You are wrong. I have read that bit of info as well.

That argument, itself was put forward by the later church to address many of the inconsistencies in King James’ life with many of the points in the Bible.

I will have no more discussion with you on the point. We will not agree on historical, political, or religious points. Nothing personal.

@Judah,
I will admit I happen to agree with you.
This country is definetely on a spiral going to hell. Why do people have to accept homosexuality? Why are people demonized when stating their own opinions. I mean gays shouldnt give a rats azz what Tim hardaway thinks its not like he is going to ban a bunch of straight guys and go lynching gays in the midnight hour. Trust me he spoke his mind on what alot of people seem to think. Although hate is a very strong word and yes he came across ignorant but that is how he feels. Brotha man shouldve kept it real and not retract his view.
I feel like this as long as he is not inflicting harm on gays or whatever he should have a right to his opinion and in case you havent noticed this is America where he has a right to say dumb shytt all day long.
Personally I dont have a problem with gays but I dont surround myself with the lifestyle either. I consider the act unnatural and we all know its an unnatural act that has been here since the dawn of man and it wont go anywhere either. People shouldnt get their panties in a bunch because they dont approve of what others are doing. Be concerned where you livelihood is threatened or family is threatened.

Okay I understand his dislike for gay people, but to HATE them is just rediculous. HOWEVER, I know if I was in the League and I had to share a locker room with a gay or lesbian person I would be very uncomfortable. People say thats ignorant because the fact that someone is gay doesnt automatically make them attracted to all males/females, BUT they still prefer the same sex, which ultimately is like having a Man in the dressing room with females undressing. Just becasue he’s a man doesnt make him attracted to ALL of the females in the locker room, however he still has to LOOK at them that way in order to know he’s not attracted to them. I would deffinately be bothered by it, but then again that $12 million dollar salary might make me get over it pretty damn quick!

CAN I JUST SAY THAT THOSE OF YOU THAT DON’T BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. “WHEN U SEE A MAN WITH ANOTHER MAN KISSING, DOES THIS FEEL NATURAL TO U?”

I HAVE ASKED MANY NON-BELIEVERS THIS QUESTION AND THEY ALL SAY NO. AND IT FEELS DISGUSTING TO THEM. PLEASE ANSWER HONESTLY!

KIND REGARDS.

Don’t tell me that I sound like that dude, please, lol. I better examine myself. I notice that alot of these so-called Christians still cannot relate the Old Testament to the New Testament and it shows. Women covering their heads is not in the Old Testament, ANYWHERE, so please stop with that misinformed bullshit. When Paul told women to cover their heads, he meant it literally. The women had stopped dressing humbly and started acting whorish because of influence from the Roman Empire (sound familiar). It wasn’t about Christ being no damn covering, that’s a lie and it’s blasphemy and I challenge anyone to prove that with scripture. People say that because they want to act righteous and still walk around with low-rider jeans and no draws on, lol. You can’t pick and choose which laws to keep and which to not keep. That’s why these gainsayers say, “well what about this law or that law…” and they’re right. If Christ is the “fulfillment” of the law as some Christians interpret it, then stop telling the homos that they can’t be homos. Christ called himself the fulfillment because he was the fulfillment of the prophecies of a savior for Israel.

Brother why you always talkin’ about how you’re not scared of me, lol. I’d hope you wouldn’t be scared of another man. I don’t know where you’re from, but where I’m from people that always say they’re not scared are usually the most scared. You have plenty of fear. You fear that this Word is precise and on point and all that contrived intelligentsia you’ve accumulated will amount to nothing. You’re scared to admit that you’re an atheist because you plan to sit on that fence that separates God’s Word and man’s word, which is the last trump card you think you have and you want to be able to fall on the side of whoever wins the confrontation. Damn frontrunner, lol. It bothers you that a negro like me, that is supposed to be ignorant and angry, can intellectualize my hate. You wish I was like these black men out here that can’t understand the spirit that the Most High has on them and go out to destroy my own community. I asked you to edify me and you couldn’t, lol. Instead you call God’s Word irrelevant. You’re like a bad teacher that blames the students when your lessons don’t hold up. Your science doesn’t hold up, it’s theoretical. Your history doesn’t hold up, it’s fabricated. I’m a “big bag of tricks” but when asked what you’re ultimate plan is, you intellectuals always bitch up. You could never teach me because you could never handle my questions. I’m ignorant on politics right; so give me a list of politicians that have helped black people and taught them the truth. Educate me. An intellectual conversation to you is one that allows you to share “opinions” and convince yourself that it matters when it doesn’t. You can’t serve the Most High because you’re not humble enough to obey him and his Word.

Brother look, I’ll leave the Septimius Severus shit alone but you and I both know that if you did hear of him, you damn sure didn’t know that he was black, which the white man has admitted (for whatever reason). There are many other Roman emperors that were black but the white man won’t admit those. I could debate you on the Romans right now and leave you where I found you but the white man’s version of history bores me as much as it excites you. It’s so transparently skewed. Everything is Greece, Rome, and the Nazis on the History Channel. I know, it’s not the white man that lies on the history, it’s negroes like me right? Why would they still, to this day, make biblical movies and show the Egyptians and Israelites as caucasian when they were, and still are, negroes. Edify me on that please. Please provide the link for the Tim Hardaway speeding story. Could not find it, thanks.

@281
KONFUSD

What a perfect name for a damn idiot. You said that hate is something God doesn’t know exists. What the fuck is your stupid ass talkin’ about. The Most High created everything and knows everything. If he didn’t know hate, he wouldn’t be the Most High. Unless you’re talking about the God of your mind (Satan).
The scripture tells you what sin is if you read it (I John 3:4).

I feel embarassed even responding to you because your stupidity is so stupendous and your knowledge so infinitesimal that it’s like speaking to an infant. Your what the scriptures call a vain jangler (ITim 1:6,7). You have no idea what the Hell you’re talking about and you should really stop before the Lord addresses you. Let’s cut to the damn chase though; you a homo? If so, do you. There aren’t any contradictions in the Bible, just unlearned or idiotic readers and interpreters.

I never said that I was sinless. It’s a sin to say some shit like that (Job 9:20, Prov 20:9, I John 1:10, etc.). I’m humble enough to except when I’m at fault in the eyes of the Most High. I don’t have to sit here and concoct some bullshit about how there’s no such thing as sin like a coward.

The only valid part of your post was when you asked those questions which are good questions. Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman. Gen 1:26,27 tells you that the Lord created mankind in multiplicity. Later on her chose Adam and then Eve because Adam was anointed to iniate that holy bloodline or seedline (Matt 1:1-16). That’s why the Most High brought him into Eden which is the land between the Nile and the Euphrates to “till the ground” (Gen 2:5-8), not no damn Ethiopia like they claim Eden was at. The proof that there is no way that they could’ve been the “first two people” is who the hell was Cain afraid was gonna find him and kill him (Gen 4:14,15) and who the hell is his wife (Gen 4:17). Stop being a prophet of Satan and spreading your nonsense and confusion. By your own admission you’re confused so shut the hell up and allow yourself to be taught.

“Brother why you always talkin’ about how you’re not scared of me, lol. I’d hope you wouldn’t be scared of another man. I don’t know where you’re from, but where I’m from people that always say they’re not scared are usually the most scared. You have plenty of fear. You fear that this Word is precise and on point and all that contrived intelligentsia you’ve accumulated will amount to nothing. You’re scared to admit that you’re an atheist because you plan to sit on that fence that separates God’s Word and man’s word, which is the last trump card you think you have and you want to be able to fall on the side of whoever wins the confrontation. Damn frontrunner, lol. ”

Everything I just quoted is pointless and has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. You’re going to have to do better than filler, Judah.

And for your curiosity: for the final time no I’m not an atheist. By your definition an atheist is anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your specific brand of Christianity and has to gall to argue you about it. That’s all I’m going to say on it because, again, my spirituality isn’t what’s on trial here. I have my opinions, and where they come from is of no consequence to you, so stop asking.

“It bothers you that a negro like me, that is supposed to be ignorant and angry, can intellectualize my hate. You wish I was like these black men out here that can’t understand the spirit that the Most High has on them and go out to destroy my own community. ”

There you go again with more of that boasting, as if you’re the only intelligent black man I’ve ever come across. Nigga please. Get off of whatever high horse you’re riding, this is a simple discussion worth only in its weight in entertainment, as they all have been. At no point have you ever challenged my core beliefs in what I know (and I’m pretty sure you could say the same about me), or my perception of other people. The simple fact of the matter is black men like you are a dime a dozen. You aren’t the first I’ve encountered and you won’t be the last. Work out what you’re “supposed to be” with yourself. It seems like you enter into any discussion with the idea that you’re some sort of unique entity, always bolstering your arguments and assessments of others with “bet you didn’t think I could do this”…whew, that’s an ego if I’ve ever seen one.

“I asked you to edify me and you couldn’t, lol.”

I didn’t try to. lol
You’re too busy trying to goad me into a debate in your comfort zone, you still have touched on the social aspect of this topic other than your usual conjecture and “I don’t need anything other than the bible” cop-outs.

“Your science doesn’t hold up, it’s theoretical. Your history doesn’t hold up, it’s fabricated.”

And in the case of this discussion, your religion doesn’t hold up, because it’s face based. You’re in the same boat man, arguing something that, at the end of the day, comes from a book that’s just as heavily debated as anything else. You’re no more in the know than the philosophers you like to trash.

“I’m ignorant on politics right; so give me a list of politicians that have helped black people and taught them the truth. Educate me.”

Again, with your irrelevance. What does politicians helping black people have to do with Tim Hardaway being an idiot? Just more clamoring for something to say. Judah, you’re just one big tangent. I would like to to debate you on the social aspect of Tim’s actions. That is, after all, the point. If you don’t want to, fine. But just admit it instead of turning Tim Hardways actions into some stretched example of the White Man oppressing us black folks.

“Brother look, I’ll leave the Septimius Severus shit alone but you and I both know that if you did hear of him, you damn sure didn’t know that he was black, which the white man has admitted (for whatever reason). There are many other Roman emperors that were black but the white man won’t admit those.”

Wrong again (as usual, these days). Maybe I should credit it to the fact that I attended a pretty liberal school in Los Angeles, but you’ve revealed no big secrets to me. You’re so intent on the idea of “opening my eyes” that you haven’t noticed that my eyes are already open and that I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH YOU. Try again. Care to assume any other aspects of my life? What kind of diapers I wore a baby? My favorite color? Subject? You seem to know everything else about me.

i agree wit tim too. i wouldnt wanna be in a lockeroom wit a fag. i dont wanna look over my shoulder and think this dude lookin at my ass or sumtin so all you bitches get off dis man back cuz i feel dat boy on that. the dude likes dick and why would i wanna be in a lockeroom wit a dude who might possibly look at my dick.cmon now i feel ya tim. i bet he was going home tellin his gay boody budy about all the dicks he seen in the locker room.lol

THIS IS TO TANA. YOUR NOT BORN GAY, YOU CHOOSE TO BE GAY, FOR EX: YOU DONT CHOOSE TO BE BLACK OR WHITE, YOUR BORN BLACK OR WHITE. YOU CHOOSE IF YOU LIKE DICK OR PUSSY. THATS SOMETHING YOU DECIDE AND IF A GAY PERSON SAYS THAT SHIT THEIR LYIN THEY GAY AZZ OFF.LMAO…

I lol’d when I heard this. He probably loves lesbians though and probably thinks that vaginal is “cleaner” than anal sex ..lol well get this…there is bacteria in vaginas lol and penises..

You know I hate these types of comparisons but being gay is like being black, it really is. Rewind forty or so years and you’d hear “I hate black people”. Like blacks, gays are minorites. The definitions may be different but the positions and circumstances they (gays/blacks) are pretty much the same. :/ just my stance.

I dont agree with the “gay” lifestyle either nor the lifestyle of having children by sixty different fathers who dont pay child support….typical behavior of black folk.

Also you should know that not every gay person is turned on by every man with shit stained underwear and his penis. Seriously..I treat people with respect I’m fine with everyone as long as my personal space is respected…that goes for everyone gay or st8. I should know I have gay friends.

Some of you on here need to grow up, because you’re showing your ignorance.

How can you compare homosexuality to stealing, killing, or raping?

You don’t choose your sexual orientation, but you can choose to hurt someone.

It’s funny in this day and age that we let serial killers and rapists go without any remorse, but a gay person we’re ready to shun.

It’s pathetic.

And Pittbboi, you told the truth!

lol stop chucking and jiving Amoney with your black ass..go sell drugs or have a baby or something..I mean, thats what black men are good for anyway…

There are for videos on Youtube of Tim Hardaway Naked in the locker room.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wH8wItdJb6g

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I know I’m late, lol. What I don’t understand is that you accuse me of “filler” and yet all I was doing was addressing your “points” (I use that term very lightly), lol. I never asked where you were from, nor do I care. I addressed the politicians and science because you accused me of being un(or mis)informed on both. Maybe you get as bored with your own tired shit as I do and forget what you post, lol. Something tells me that there are plenty of men that “open your eyes”, lol. Pretty damn wide. As far as diapers, something tells me that you still have to wear diapers right now due to those same men.

It’s no fun to debate with you anymore. You’ve taken a defensive posture in all of our recent verbal confrontations, as if you’re scared that if you try to throw a haymaker, you’ll miss and get knocked the hell out. You accuse me of filler and yet you go on a strange diatribe in a fruitless attempt to lower my confidence, lol (Heb 10:35). That’s what people are really mad about; that Tim Hardaway, this NIGGER, had the nerve to say what he said. Like I’ve said before, people have an extreme issue with heterosexual black men with confidence. It seems to be a combination of, “who does this nigger think he is” with, “we’ve got to stop this nigger before he gets other black men to believe that they’re more than what we tell them they are..”. I see it mostly from many black women, gay black men, and of course, the caucasians. Extreme fright.

“Nigga please”…lol, don’t try to get hood now. Weren’t you one of those simple negroes I saw on that “Paul Mooney” post campaigning to “ban the ‘N’ Word”, lmao. So much for that huh. You’re so uncomfortable with yourself that you try to switch from “hood” to “scholar” to “sassy homo, cool with the black chics”, lol. Gotta exorcise them demons negro.

What is with all this social aspect bullshit. Why would I deal in social aspects when this is Satan’s world, lol. I’m not trying to repair this shit. When are you gonna get it through them dreads, your and my opinions don’t matter. Allegedly, Americans want the war to stop but it has continued and not only that, it has escalated. This is why democracy is the perfect system to keep oppressed people oppressed. It makes them think that they have a chance to change things from within the system when they don’t. It gives (spiritually) poor people a false sense of hope. You black intellectuals (i.e. you, this cat Windwalker, and a couple of other people), ya’ll kill em with that social implications stuff. Like the white man gives a damn about ya’ll’s opinion or will alter his game plan if negroes disagree with him. There is no way to justify hate for homosexuality, or any wickedness whatsoever really, without being rooted in the Lord’s Word. That’s why when you encounter people that detest your lifestyle on general principles you try to wear them down through peer pressure and your own skewed sense of logic, philosophy, and reality. The Bible adds validity, legitimacy, and most importantly a reference point for morality. The Bible is the proverbial “RAID” for you pseudo-negro-intellectual-homosexual roaches, and that’s why you scatter like the vermin that you are when the scriptures get sprayed on your asses, lol. If the last thing between you “intellectual” black people and eternal happiness is the burden of the Bible, then systematically disprove it. If my “religion doesn’t hold up because it’s face-based” then show me in the scriptures where the Bible contradicts itself. You can’t do it. You won’t even try to do it with a negro like me. To show you how wicked ya’ll are though, you all will challenge cats that you think you can beat (i.e.RumpRoast, Dukesman, etc.) but when asked to disprove the Bible to someone who KNOWS it, you can’t do it. II Tim 2:15,16

Wow, you must have worked really hard on that, Judah.

It’s no fun to debate with you because ANY debate with you will always end up being about the same thing. The white man and “look at how many scriptures I can inaccurately reference to make it look like I actually have something to say.” The proof was with your entire post (including the fact that the majority of your first paragraph was mainly quips on my sexuality). I corrected Meatloaf and Dukesman on scripture because they were making basic errors (and in Meatloaf’s case bragging about it like he actually knew something–in his typical annoying fashion). I refuse to allow a debate with you degenerate into a discussion of scripture because it’ll always lead to us writing essays on the same damn irrelevant-to-the-topic-at-hand subject, nobody getting anywhere. I just don’t have the time for it, and I honestly don’t know how you do. You know where I stand on scripture: I know where you stand. Until such a time one of us has some major spiritual breakthrough I just don’t see the point. But trust, it’s not out of fear of anything you have to say: or did you forget about that Patti Labelle topic? I can go post for post, link for link, and we just won’t get anywhere. You, however, have proven that you’re not comfortable with any other form of debate (”did he ‘allegedly’ threaten a cop’s life”–lol, childish and ignorant to the fact that he’s still an idiot who got off either way). Seriously, we could have a discussion about Bozo The Clown and you’d find a way to get into a biblical discussion about how white men were created by God to oppress the righteous black race. Bloody hell, you’re tiring.

Oh, and you still haven’t proven that you know anything about politics and science relative to this discussion. You sure are adept at beating around the bush, though.

““Nigga please”…lol, don’t try to get hood now.”

And if you can’t tell when someone’s so obviously mocking you, you’re not as smart as I thought. Maybe the reason you’re such a flat person is because you don’t believe that someone can have multiple facets to their personality (your own seems to be missing that one, vital component). Me going from “sassy” to “scholar” has nothing to do with being uncomfortable with myself, and quite frankly it takes an idiot like meatload to come to such a conclusion. But I know you’re smarter than that. Hmm, let me flip the script on you: YOU can’t understand how a “sassy”, “cool with the black chicks” faggot actually has the gall to debate with you. Go ahead, wait with “baited breath” for more of my opinions that don’t matter.

Tim Hardaway being a “nigger” has nothing to do with his comments. Tim Hardaway made those comments on his own, like the idiot he was. What does the white man have to do with that? There hasn’t, in recent times, been a white man (or ANY man) with a brain cell count low enough to make those kinds of comments so publicly, and whenever one did he was just as quickly strung up (prove otherwise). So this isn’t even a case of Tim Hardaway being unfairly treated. This isn’t white supremacy; this isn’t white conspiracy; this is Tim Hardaway just happening to be three things: dumb, homophobic, and black. Black people are capable of being idiots, Judah, or do you just refuse to see that? Not every action made by a black person in the media is perfectly planned out, confident, intelligent and rational. Don’t credit Tim Hardaway with any ounce of intelligence, because he’s proved on several occasions that, outside of the court, he’s as dumb as a cracked brick.

Legally, he had the right to make those comments. But don’t for a second try to rationalize what he said or claim that there was any ounce of intelligence, “black values” or spiritual conviction is his words. You may be able to intellectualize your hate but he sure as hell couldn’t. And whether or not the scale is tipped against him because of his race (which it’s not), isn’t relevant because it doesn’t change the fact that what he said was STILL unwarranted, unsubstantiated hate speech presented with about as much eloquence as a caveman. And legally, companies are allowed to remove their endorsements. Simple as that. It’s the way the world works.

And where was his “confidence” at when he “apologized”? You don’t have a point outside of the same pseudo-intellectual, “white men hate us and here’s a bible verse to prove it” crap. Just admit it and move on with your life.

(That, Judah, is how you properly debate a topic while staying ON topic. Quite impressive, ain’t it?)

“The Bible adds validity, legitimacy, and most importantly a reference point for morality.”

Not to those who:

a) Don’t believe in the Bible.
b) Those who don’t follow your interpretation of it (which is exactly what it is. YOUR interpretation, whether you like to admit that or not. Judah, you didn’t write it).
c) EVERY OTHER CULTURE whose points of morality aren’t based on Christian scripture. Judah, that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen you type.

You can’t deny science, because its laws are evident quite clearly in the world around us. Not so much with scripture (or ANY religion, for that matter). That’s you burden to bare when you enter into any debate with the word as your weapon. In some cases it just won’t hold up it’s relevance, no matter how hard you try to force it to. This topic is a perfect example.

SO IF SCIENCE IS YOUR BASIS THEN THAT AGAIN PROVES THAT NO ONE ISBORN GAY. THERE IS NO GAY GENE. IDIOT!

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“SO IF SCIENCE IS YOUR BASIS THEN THAT AGAIN PROVES THAT NO ONE ISBORN GAY. THERE IS NO GAY GENE. IDIOT!”

Wow, this post is dumb for so many reasons. Chanti, you should be ashamed of yourself. I’ll ignore the bevy of syntactical errors and go straight for your logic.

1)They haven’t *found* the gay gene. There is yet no evidence to conclude that one does not exist. There have been several studies, however, that show that a gay gene IS possible (family histories have largely contributed to this idea).

2)There have been recognized factors that COULD contribute to a person’s sexuality being predetermined in the womb that have very little to do with genetics.

3)If you read any of my previous posts you would notice I stated that it’s very possible sexuality is something that could be partially determined through the environmental conditions present at important developmental stages of a child, which is mostly infancy. Certain groups of scientists believe that it is a combination of environment and genetics, or some mysterious third party that has yet to be discovered–there are really a lot of theories based on more conclusive evidence than “THERE IS NO GAY GENE! IDIOT!” Wow, it must have taken you a while to come up with that.

Do us all a favor and go to school: garner for yourself a better intellectual understanding than the lack you so clearly presented in your various comments in this discussion. Maybe you’ll become a better asset for society and your own personal growth.

The again, SOMEBODY has to deliver the pizzas…

Be sure of this: If John Amaechi would have announced his homosexual lifestyle before he retired, he would have got the $#!T beat out of him…everynight! I see he was closeted long enough to get out before he cowardly announced his lifestyle! Another example of the “choices” made by gays! He waited until he was clear and then he went after the booksell, tell-all and money!

I strongly suggest that you gay men go back and study what has been written in this topic for you! Pay special attention to the things that Judah, JQUEEN and Dukesmann wrote! Don’t just read it…study it!!!

And, don’t try to overcome your situation on your own! You can’t do it alone! The sin of the flesh requires a High Power to be delivered! Pray with sincerity! Kneel down before God and tell Him that you are ready to stop! He knows your pain and He’s ready to deliver you! And, once you’re delivered, reach back and help someone else to break free!

Also, go back and read the story of Job! Remember, he had a hedge around him until God removed the hedge and permitted satin to put his hands on Job and inflict his flesh…short of taking his life! The flesh is the final battle ground! When a man sins against his own flesh, he denies the very temple that God dwells in! God can’t dwell in an unholy place! And, you’re in the final stage when God turns you over to the sin of the flesh!!! Sin of the flesh is worst than the sin of the heart or mind! Sin of the fleah include things like: suicide, adultry, murder and rape! Sin of the heart would be like: racism, unrighteousness and judgement! BTW - calling the gay lifestyle an act of sin is righteous judgement!

Bill Clinton and Kobe got caught in adultry and they repented! A gay man gets caught in adultry and he continues until he’s dead! Straight women ought to speak up! The gay lifestyle is an obession, not a birth right!

OMT - After you pray, turn it over to God and get deliverence, don’t forget to thank God! The word of thanks completes the process! You can also say thanks to the people who took time to write to you on CL, answering your questions and trying to guide you! I’m sure they expect nothing in return, but its nice to give thanks even if they are just the messengers!