“When people ask homosexuals to make that decision, they’re asking them to deny a fundamental aspect of who they are. Homosexuality isn’t either/or. For most it isn’t just “ok, since I can’t be with men I’ll just go and get a wife”. Some do that, but it never mentally works that way, which is why the DL is such a huge issue now. Asking homosexuals to shuck their desires is basically asking them to deny a core of their being: their right to love who they want and be with who they want.

That’s not a decision anyone else has to make. ”

Pittboi:

That’s where you are wrong. My basic human nature was that of a Sinner. I was born into sin through no fault of our own–just like you. My attitudes, actions, thought processes, and decision-making continued to be that of a sinner even as I was growing up and brought up in the church.

I still operated in what I was taught in society, by the media, by my parents, friends—UNTIL my eyes were opened when someone took the time to explain the LOVE of God for us, the battle for control of my soul, my spirit, and my body, how Satan uses the power of suggestion to create doubt and unbelief, as well as, confusion, rebellion, and all sorts of other feelings “to blind the minds of them that believe not”.

Once I decided to get born again, I began a journey that, to this day, challenges the core of the initial learned behaviors I gained while growing up. As human beings, you and I are no different–EXCEPT in who we are allowing to control our SPIRIT, which is the part not being acknowledged by you. If you listen closely, the core of the gay/lesbian argument always alludes to allowing your “feelings” to govern your life. THAT is where a lot of people miss it.

FLESH IS FLESH. It doesn’t care who’s rubbing it suggestively or sexually–it’s gonna feel something. But, after that, you have a decision to make. Are you going to yield to the flesh b/c you liked how it felt? Or are you going to yield to what you know to be the TRUTH–that weird feeling that rang warning bells? You didn’t get hit on? Okay, desires begin with a thought. You may not have been touched, but when you looked at a dude, you may have found him attractive and allowed your thought life to run unchecked and it eventually manifested itself physically, b/c you thought about it all the time–NOTHING JUST HAPPENS. Homosexual or Heterosexual: It’s the same process. Desire begins with a thought. When is anyone going to admit that there’s a big LUST problem in our country? Sex and perversion is served on a platter 24/7. A lot of it is designed to trap you in your mind. Satan gets a lot of people, especially the “intelligent” folks through their minds. I know, Pittboi, b/c when it came to building an argument. I used to sound a lot like you when arguing for something I truly believed.

When I chose to get born again, my core beliefs were challenged. I started looking at my heart and my life honestly and judged myself based on the Word. Most of the people trashing the Word are doing it b/c they saw who they really were, when they read the Scriptures, and didn’t like having the light shined on their ugliness. So, guess what, they run b/c they don’t want to be accountable and acknowledge the fact that THEY have chosen to be who and where they are in life.

The spirit of God in me constantly wars against “my human and natural feelings and desires”. But, I use the LIVING Word of God to help me in getting rid of those old desires and old way of thinking. I had to retrain myself to think in line with God’s way of doing things.

Pittboi, I could be right where you are, in my thinking, today. I was tried, as a young girl, by another girl. My flesh responded to that sexual touch, but my mind and spirit rose up and sounded alarms to my brain that: THIS IS WRONG!!!! GET OUT!!! As children and teenagers, we are all more vulnerable to be influenced in many ways. Thank God, that even growing up in a family that had its share of happiness and dysfunction, my parents put me in church and it planted seeds that I would later come back to.

You’ve said that you were brought up in the church and still read the Word. Well, when are you going to realize that Satan is not just going to roll over and allow this Word to minister to your heart? When are you going to think about the fact that, maybe just maybe, he put people in your path to reinforce the “feelings” you felt as a youngster and who encouraged you to go with your “feelings” and the belief that you don’t need anyone to make you “deny a fundamental aspect of who you are”?

However, when are you also going to believe that, on the other hand, God is also sending people in your path, like me, to lovingly tell you: “Pittboi, HE loves you in where you are. But, the sin has to stop. Have the courage to question your choices and try looking for Him again.”

Pittboi, you seem like a nice person. And while I’m not gonna knock who and where you are right now, I am also not going to participate in the enabling sympathies that the gay/lesbian movement seems to be pushing for in its advocacy for legitimacy. However, I am challenging you to question your decision. I am challenging you to be willing to acknowledge that, with all your intelligence, you’re still limited by what you can see and that’s not enough. Because, one day: “EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!”

If you have any questions, or want to PM me, feel free. I’m available.

“I began a journey that, to this day, challenges the core of the initial learned behaviors I gained while growing up.”

Nope, this is where we differ.

Homosexuality isn’t a learned behavior. Most other sins are.

I think you’re missing my point because it falls outside of the realm of “you’re doing this and this is bad so just stop”. Asking a homosexual to stop being gay is like asking someone to live the rest of their life hopping on one leg. Sure, you could do it, and you would always be tempted to use your other leg, and eventually you get used to it. But this doesn’t change the fact that you were born to walk on two legs.

And frankly, your message of denying all of your feelings is the biggest battle I have with my own Christianity. I grew up in the church, listening to all of this. Trust me, sister, nothing you’ve said/suggested to me is at all new, I’ve been there and heard it and tried it. And like just about every other religious homosexual I had that period of my life where everyday I hated myself for my “feelings”. These were the worst years of my life–the silence, the crying from the fear of thinking that no matter what I did, I was doomed to an eternity of hellfire, all for my “feelings”. Worrying my family because they know something’s wrong, but I’m too afraid to tell them because of fear of what they’d say. Then one day, in church actually, I just had had enough. Similar to that tried and true message of leaving your burdens on the cross, that’s what I did with my feelings. I prayed to God right there in church, and told him I didn’t know what he wanted of my life, or what was right for me, but I was going to leave my burdens on the cross, and I asked him to order my footsteps, and show me where I should go.

That was years ago. And whether or not you like it, I’m much more comfortable in my own skin, as a homosexual, than I’ve ever been. God didn’t lead me to a life of heterosexuality, God placed people in my life who made me feel comfortable with who I was, and how I could function in my life as well as my spirituality. And my own spirituality and faith in God has grown. The devil is everywhere, and no offense, but that also means the church. I honestly feel that it was the Satan, and not God, who every day for all those years made me feel guilty and ashamed and doomed for my feelings, because I know in my heart that if that had continued any longer, I most likely would have turned from Christianity completely or something much worse.

You may not agree, JQueen, and I’m not asking you to: My life and relationship with God is between God and me. So I like to keep my own spirituality out of these discussions and focus on the problem at hand. We’re all humans in this world. We’re all citizens of this country. As promised by the constitution, we’re all supposed to be treated equally. This isn’t a religious matter, and religion isn’t going to solve it. It’ll just make muddy the issues and keep us from the actual crux of the issue.

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Wat Hardaway said was dumb…y say something if You just gone turn around and apologize for it…and it doesn’t really seem like he means it…Ive experienced homosexuality myself…an I personally say there is nothin wrong wit it…its a part of life…he needs to get over it…beacause nowadays…7 out of every 10 Americans are gay…even bisexual…so GET THE HELL OVER IT HARDAWAY…an how can you be so childish as to say it so strongly…hate is such a strong ass word…as far as the ppl may know he’s probably gay his dam self…yes i said it…he’s a gay ass nigga

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