They usually say those who try so hard to deny it are are normally caught up in that type of life style.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion!

This is getting a little out of hane. I do respect his opinion b/c after all we are all entitled to our own. But hate is such a powerful word. Is he doing this to get attention or does he really hate gay people? How could you hate people?

WOW… WTF?

i dont hate them i jus dont agree wit wat they do

i feel sorry for him, he is ignorant. like #1 said he probably is trying to hide something

hatin gay pple is like being a racist. i dont hate them i jus dont agree wit wat they do

I don’t like the gay lifestyle either. I won’t hang out with a dude once I realize he’s gay. I’ll say hello to him, be cordial to him, but won’t chill with him. Nope.

I dislike a lot of things but I would never tell anyone Its 2007 Hardaway get a life and keep comments like that to yourself because words like that might get you a beat down someone needs a reality check

Oh yeah…he is sooooooooooo gay!

@ #1NUBIANQUEEN, WTF??? Who are “THEY” that keeps saying things to you? They say!!! I’m tired of hearing people saying, “They say”! WTF are you talking about…other gays like yourself?

Tim spoke his mind and now he’s trying to retract because of “Homoterroist”! Why would he want to dress and shower in a locker with another dude who’s fancying his pecker for disdane reasons? Just because you’re a lesbian, don’t start laying more bogus foundations! Y’all need to quit it! lol

Whateva…he meant what he said. Tim probably is homosexual…

I heard that crap on the news this morning, he sounded sooooooo ignorant.

I heard the broadcast last night… He sounded really ignorant, at BEST… Someone must’ve have told him to go back and apologize for that ‘ish. Its like, Dag! In my opinion, I say who you prefer to put the damned WOOD to should have no Bering’s on your skills as an athlete. Some str8 guys act like if a gay guy even smiles or speaks to them like any regular person would, they’re gonna get Cooties or something…”ewwwwwww, he smiled at me…I’m tellin’ my mommy”, lolol. Seriously tho, Like…WTF? Get a grip…Anyhoo.. I’m glad Tim went back and cleared things up…lol Yea RIGHT - A little too late perhaps, Timmy Boy??

Meatloaf where the hell u been?

/off topic

I don’t think that you should hate anybody, but it’s quite funny how the world is running away from the teachings of the bible. It’s like your butt will get damn near shot for saying anything against gay people, (well in hollyweird anyway) it’s like people would rather please the world. I believe that its wrong but it’s their business.

^^**must’ve told him**^^

Why do celebrities make comments and later take them back? If that’s how he feels fine. That just shows his ignorance but don’t go back and say you didn’t mean it when you really did. People in the spotlight need to watch their words.

Wow, hate is such a strong word…

IT DONT MATTER TO ME..I KNO MY SEXUALITY AND IM COMFORTABLE BEING AROUND A GAY MALE OR FEMALE..IT DOESNT BOTHER ME..AND USUALLY IF ONE IS GAY, THEY ARENT GOING TO TRY AND PURSUE ANYTHING WITH ANOTHER WHOM THEY KNO IS NOT GAY. SO WHAT HE SAID ABOUT BEING UNCOMFRTABLE IN THE LOCKERROOM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS SAYING BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE GAY B-BALL PLAYER IS PROBBABLY NOT LOOKIN THERE WAY ANYWAY

co-sign w/quietstorm… If you feel the need to appologize for what you say, then why say it in the first place?

i think everyone has a type including gays and lesbians!!-and people need to realize somtimes people are being nice not hitting on you-but i guess if u have had a bad experience you will never get over it? i guess “they” are all the same- lustfully lookinat you?-that crazy-WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

I was thinking the same thing #17, dont say something and then come back and retract it just because it’ll make people feel better. If that’s how you feel then oh well…everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And yes the world is slowy running away from religious teachings…we even have gay ministers?! what’s up with that? But to each his/her own…the only ones who has to pay for their sins are themselves.

I was on the phone with my girl when I heard that interview on yesterday and the first thing I said was, “He’ll be apologizing tomorrow, I ASSURE you! He won’t MEAN it, but he will DEFINITELY apologize because David Stern don’t play that shit AND it’s gonna cost him some money!”

My girl was like, “Nah, he said that shit with too much conviction, he ain’t apologizing for that.”

My response: “Call me in the morning and I’ll read his apology to you.”

I won.

I agree 17 and 20, if you gonna say some heavy words like that, then stick by it.

Freedom of speech, people dont have to like what he says or agree with it, but he is entitled to say whatever he wants.

He’s so ugly. What a waste of oxygen.

What in the name of Isiah Washington is he doing!!!!!
Free speech is only free speech when you’re not offending anyone.

honestly tho if your in a locker room concerned with who’s lookin at your body then your the one thats gay.

Whoever said hating gay people is like being racist, that true it’s called homophobia but then you said you don’t agree with how they live. Would you be offended by someone saying “I’m not racist I just don’t agree with how black people live” because it’s the same thing.

a lot of men are “homophobic” but that is something he should have kept to himself…

Just becuz someone is gay does not mean that they like all males or all females that they see. I mean gay people do have standards. its not like you jump on the first thing that comes your way lol. So about that in the locker room stuff I dont buy it. If I want someone I dont have to sneak to look at them to get them. Its plenty of people in this world. No one should have to sneak looks gay or straight.

What he said was real ignorant. Its 2007 people, just let people do they thing.

Just becuz someone is gay does not mean that they like all males or all females that they see. I mean gay people do have standards. its not like you jump on the first thing that comes your way lol. So about that in the locker room stuff I dont buy it. If I want someone I dont have to sneak to look at them to get them. Its plenty of people in this world. No one should have to sneak looks gay or straight.

What he said was real ignorant. Its 2007 people, just let people do they thing. …..

In this day and age, with Kramer’s racist tirade a few months back, and the continued attitudes towards Gay people, this country really has a long way to go. It is no secret that within the African American community, homophobia lives. People like Hardaway, Kanye West and others African American’s who have openingly come out and condem Gay people is nothing new. It’s just magnified 50X, because these people are celebrities. With that being said, it does not give them the right to tear another human being down. Celebrities, Athletes alike, all have a moral and social contribution in what they say and do, because we buy their products and the media that they put out, with that being said, there really needs to be more emphasis on tolerance and ignorance. No one can judge Gay people but God! We should not buy into the racial hatred and tolerance, no matter what your social/economical status is!

yall are messed up just because hes gay, they are people just like u and me dumb idiots

In this day and age, with Kramer’s racist tirade a few months back, and the continued attitudes towards Gay people, this country really has a long way to go. It is no secret that within the African American community, homophobia lives. People like Hardaway, Kanye West and others African American’s who have openingly come out and condem Gay people is nothing new. It’s just magnified 50X, because these people are celebrities. With that being said, it does not give them the right to tear another human being down. Celebrities, Athletes alike, all have a moral and social contribution in what they say and do, because we buy their products and the media that they put out, with that being said, there really needs to be more emphasis on tolerance and ignorance. No one can judge Gay people but God! We should not buy into the racial hatred and tolerance, no matter what your social/economical status is! Buying into this hatred, just perpetuates and breeds more hatred! It’s just wrong! I am not for or against Gay’s, it is just a matter of doing what is right as far as we are all human beings and we all want to be treated with the same respect, regardless of race, color,religion or sexual oreintation.

That is truly sad what he said and what some of these posters are saying. I guess if it’s ok for him to say he hates gay people and he worries about them looking at him in the locker room on the radio then some racist white man has the right to say he hates black people and worries about them stealing from him on a radio show, right? I mean, it is freedom of speech, right?

Not cool man.

EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION, BUT WHAT HE SAID WAS STR8 UP IGNORANT. NOT EVERY GAY MAN IS CHECKING U OUT IN THE LOCKER ROOM.

IT’S STUPID TO HATE ANYONE, BECAUSE WHOEVER U HATE WILL END UP BEING IN UR LIFE SOMEHOW.

JUST CUZ HE SAID SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THAT, ONE OF HIS KIDS GONNA END UP BEING GAY.

I have lots of lesbian friends…they’re the best to hang out with. I can go to a lesbian bar and there’s no fear of getting hit on because it’s obvious that I’m straight. I’m just there to have a good time with my girls. I don’t think anyone is checking me out that way.

Someone’s sexual preference should not affect how he/she is treated in the workplace or out of the workplace. And for a peer to come out with such ugly hate speech, it’s really offense. Tim Hardaway is entitled to his opinion but to be as ugly as he was when he spewed that nonsense was unacceptable. All he is doing in encouraging hate towards gays and lesbians…

Angel,

I’m here and I’m good! I left you a note on Brian McKnights page! I had to chill a minute, because these women be stalkin me! They don’t know I have only one Boo on Concreteloop!

You been kickin some ass girl! Doing big things! Keep it up! Oprah’s has you in her top five! And, keep that A- average in school!

To # 15: Whoever said the Bible was some authority that we should take not of?

Now, just because someone has a little bit of celebrity does not meant that they are also enlightened, couth, or articulate.

If you do not care for gay people that is fine. However, you do not have the right to verbally assault that group in a public space. That is completely inappropriate.

What is about gay people that makes him act so enraged and passionate and up-in-arms about the issue? Just do you.

I agree with the earlier post, if you are secure in your own personal sexuality you shouldn’t be worried about somebody else. My grandmother use to say that the first hen that cackled laid the egg - sounds like tim hardaway has a few eggs in his closet.

This dude was SO adamant and passionate about his comments. I feel that he may be one of the ones still “IN DA CLOSET!”

Why else would you go over the top in the manner he did. Your sexual preference has absolutely NOTHING to do with the sport!

He can miss me with the apology because it’s not from the heart! He’s done with anyway so who cares about his opinion!

He may have apologized but he meant that shit regardless!

HE’S HUMAN…NEXT

It’s Hilarious That most homophobe’s won’t stand a chance with Fly gay Guy anyway..I have alotta gay friends that are sexy as hell and Stay fly..Not feminine and have great jobs..And they would Laugh at this fool thinkin that they are tryna get wit him..PUHLEAAAZE..don’t flatter your self

He’s just mad that he wasn’t being checked out in the locker room…guess he’s upset that he doesn’t meet John Amaechi’s high standards. Loser.

IT KILLS ME THAT PEOPLE WHO HATE GAY PEOPLE DON’T REALIZE THAT THEIR HATE IS JUST A BIG A SIN AS THEY FEEL THE HOMOSEXUALITY IS

Its funny how the world tries to justify hate with the bible. The bible says a lot of things. One of the more important points in the bible is to love your neighbor. If you feel its wrong…..Yes, thats your business..But many things are wrong!

Example: Gluttony

Example: I hate fat b!tches and they going to hell cause THE BIBLE STATES…..GLUTTONY IS A SIN….

A LOT OF YALL WILL BE FUCKED UP!

The next thing you know, they’ll be sending his behind to rehab like they did IW.

I am so sick of gay people trying to make thier struggle into something like the black civil rights struggle. It is insulting to every person who gave thier lives in that struggle! And all these other races come over to the U.S. with no respect for black people…and if it wasn’t for us them white folks would be lynching thier asses!

#51 let me guess..you think being gay is a choice, right?

What he says is a contridiction, cause the actions the NBA or any Professional team take is so gay that it should just be a requirement, such as showering in the same shower room with 11 others, riding on a confind bus for numerous hours with others of the same sex, not really manly or str8. Then lets not forget about all the emotions and excitement that they display with game winning shots and buzzer beaters. That all to me SCREAM gay, so what or who is to determain what is legally gay or not.

Tim Hardaway is probably gay as hell.

Come on out the closet, Tim!

Wow, black male celebs sure are talking out their asses these days.

I don’t care if he feels this way because of his “good Christian values” or whatever excuse people are coming up for him. What came out of his mouth was blind, ignorant hate, and no “sorry” is going to cut it. He’s caught out there now, and whatever he loses from his statements is probably deserved.

What if was he said was directed at Jewish people, or Asian people, or white people, or any other group? Nobody would think it was cool. But since it’s just gay people (the people guilty of the ONLY sin preached against in the bible) oh, then it’s ok–he’s just human. Hell no to that. It’s THIS kind of hate that came out of his mouth that is responsible for the countless gay people bashed and/or killed for doing nothing more than minding their own damn business and being themselves. And no matter what religion or creed you are, it isn’t right. Keep your hate to yourselves and learn how to cope, because in this country EVERYONE has the right to freedom and the pursuit of happiness (at least they should).

Words like these would be unacceptable if they were aimed at any other group of people. It’s unfortunate that homosexuals still fall into the loop hole.

“…I don’t hate black people, I just don’t agree with what they do like steal cars or whatever…”

Is pretty much the racial equivalent to what a lot of you posters are saying about gay people.

We as black people should be careful about doing to others what was done to us. Don’t forget, part of the reason our people were enslaved was because someone used the Bible to justify it by saying God cursed us.

We are all entitled to our opinons but this is bigger than just having a controversial opionion. This was plain ignorance if no other reason than the public forum he used to spew his opinion.

With the NBA cancelling his appearances at the All Star Weedend event, maybe he will be reminded of what it feels like to be in a minority group who is hated or discriminated against.

That’s stupid. Although I don’t agree with their lifestyle I would NEVER disrespect them like that. That’s wrong.

@ Afrobabe…

Don’t you dare compare disliking gays to racism. People don’t have a choice in what race they’ll be, but they do have a choice in their sexual appetite. Don’t get me wrong, both types of prejudices are wrong but are not on the same level. It’s like someone going into a store and shoplifts, is it the same as someone committing a quadruple homicide? They are both unlawful but on different levels.

Timmy was wrong for saying that shit, but I understand where he is coming from. You know how many times John Amaechi must have patted him on the but during the course of his career?…..lmao. Tim must have reflected and felt funny…I understand!

Preach!!! @ 49, 55 and 57

Did anyone happen to catch The Real World last night? They touched on the subject of Christianity and homosexuality. Davis, the gay cast member, brought up a good point as some of you posters have. The Bible says a lot of things are wrong and sinful yet many people pick and choose which points to believe in as they see fit. He talked about how in the Bible it says something about women who pray without their heads covered are shaming the Lord and should have their hair shaved off. I’m almost 100% sure that not even 10% of women cover their heads before praying. But of course, in this society we think this is silly and don’t take it seriously because that’s the way people felt many years ago. And what about premarital sex? This is also a sin. But I guess it’s “not as big” a sin as being gay, right? My point is, if someone is going to use the Bible to justify their hate then they should be following the Bible to the letter because who are they to pick and choose what is right and wrong in the Bible.

He needs to sit down and shutup. I watched some of his NBA career and he always looked suspect to me.

I didn’t hear the interview in particular, but his interviews after games……..he always sounded sweet himself…….and his voluptous ass ain’t help it none either.

I would have thought he would be the one coming out of the closet later in life before anyone.

“Don’t you dare compare disliking gays to racism. People don’t have a choice in what race they’ll be, but they do have a choice in their sexual appetite. ”

Oh, we do have a choice? That’s news to me. And what gives you the authority to make a statement that goes against every ounce of scientific and psychological research? I’d definitely like to know.

Me being gay was about as much of a choice as it was for my skin being black.

How can you speak about something with such hate and then in a few hours apologize for what you said.

You were either a fool when you said it, or a fool when you apologized for saying it - either way, you are a fool.

You don’t have to condone the behavior, but his statements were just ignorant, especially if he believed that there were no gay men on his teams through high school, college and the NBA.

Guess he’ll get a room beside Isaiah Washington at the rehab.

59. dukesman2000 said:
“Don’t you dare compare disliking gays to racism. People don’t have a choice in what race they’ll be, but they do have a choice in their sexual appetite. Don’t get me wrong, both types of prejudices are wrong but are not on the same level. It’s like someone going into a store and shoplifts, is it the same as someone committing a quadruple homicide? They are both unlawful but on different levels.”

Now that’s what’s up…took the words right out my mouth!

I have to Cosign with #60. It kills me how people pick out what they want to in the Bible for their own agenda. There are many scriptures in the Bible such as the #60 that are classified as sin but people “overlook” them. And speaking for myself as a black gay man, I didnt choose to be gay. Why would I choose to be gay knowing I could be discriminated against (I haventt been..nock on wood), gay-bash ( havent been..knock on wood) and hear homophobic comments such as what Mr. Hardaway has spewed.

Whats funny is that Im not so much mad at men like Tim Hardaway for saying such comments or having such attitude towards homosexuals (everyone is entitled to their own opinion) Im more annoyed that they not only perpetrate the stereotype of “angry black man” but they dont own up to their comments.
Sorry that is a punk (pun intended) move. Man Up Mr. Hardaway and claim your homophobia. If u are homophobic, be homophobic. U said the comments with such conviction, and U mean to tell me you had a change in a heart about such an issue in 24 hour time frame. Get the hell out of here with that!

@ Pittbboi

There is also NO scientific evidence that homos are born, either. I don’t need science, all I need is what the Bible tells me. God does not make homos or straight people for that matter. Does God create serial killers and rapist? No…Babies are born with a “clean slate” and as that individual grows and develops his or her surroundings or life events shape what that person becomes, and that includes sexuality. Sexuality is a choice, my friend. Whether you choose to copulate with like genders, opposite genders or animals, it is your choice. So is abstinence!

So if you choose to be gay, that is your choice, I dont have a problem with it. But dont you ever try and tell me that’s the way you were born. And I will argue this point with anybody!

(About to get me some popcorn and a ringside seat) I think this post is about to get interesting!

So duke exactly when did you decide to be heterosexual? Honestly when did you say hmmmmm I could like men or i could like women…I think i will choose women? Did your dick’s erections respond to men and women equally until a point in your life where u decided to like women? If thats what happened then u need to give us your secrets cause I’m sure MANY gay men would like to have your abilities.

Nigga please, gay men didnt choose to be gay they were born that way…..however they can choose to act on those urges or not to. Its not a sin to be gay its a sin to act on it.

@49

No disrepect brother, but if you’re going to try to breakdown the Bible, know what you’re talking about. The scripture defines who your neighbor is in both the Old and New Testaments as well as defining all other things. You wouldn’t go before the white man in his court and say, “you’re just a man and the constitution was written by men”. You would bow your head down like a good negro and accept your sentence and judgement. Give the Lord and his Word the same fear, love, and respect.

I guess that Tim Hardaway didn’t learn from the Isaiah Washington situation. He should know by now that black men’s opinions are not welcome on any subject other than hip hop or basketball. He should’ve just said “no comment”. If he was going to say it, then he should’ve stuck to his guns because the fact of the matter is that 80% of people in general (and 90% of blacks in particular) in this society are stupid as hell and have no moral foundation. Society doesn’t accept apologies from black males. It will just delay your penalty, lol. Freedom of speech is like the Big Bang, a THEORY not a fact. He’s going to be heavily affected by this because other black men will not stand with him out of fear and stupidity, most black women love homosexuals and the white man, and the white man can’t wait for a negro male to give him a reason to slowly destroy his career.

If you challenge the core tenets of this society, you have to be well-versed enough in your beliefs to back them up when challenged, especially as a black man. In 2007, you can’t just say some crazy shit like, “I hate gays” unless you can really corroborate it with some type of spiritual and intellectual foundation. This is a Homosexual Revolution that we’re in the midst of and negroes better recognize that shit and think accordingly. The times, this world, and these people are too wicked to try to trade emotional thoughts with them. If you do get emotional with them, most of these “open-minded” people will try to get violent because they have no spiritual base.

You know what’s really funny about that “homophobic card” that the sister superimposed into his hand. They might really start makin’ cats carry that shit if you get too rebellious, lmao. Black men (and the sisters that pay attention) really need to analyze this shit and see what’s happening around them. These current events are not about “accepting everybody”, it’s about viewing the white man as god and his law as god’s word. That’s why people can’t stand when you quote the Bible but will stand at attention when the Constitution is being read. That’s also why they label you when you don’t succumb to the peer pressure that these cowards try to inflict you with. This shit is not a game and it’s very apparent that black people (especially black men) need to return to worshipping the Most High in the spirit of truth as opposed to worshipping these idols and the white man.

One thing that confuses me is, if sexuality is no one’s business but that person’s, then why do some black women get so angry when they get a DL negro for? He doesn’t have to tell you he’s bisexual, it’s “his business” remember, lol. It should only become both of your business if he marries you or gives you HIV or AIDS.

Cosign with #68 Somebody finally gets it

#66
Then argue it with me.

I love it when I get into these arguments with people the first thing they do is liken homosexuality to killers and rapists, as if there’s any actually correlation. Wrong.

The scientific debate at this point isn’t whether or not homosexuality is a choice (that was ruled out by the scientific community at large decades ago, so you’re technically already wrong). The debate is whether or not homosexuality is a genetic issue–as some research on the genetic make-up of humans and some animals suggests, (so you’re wrong on this count, too)–or if homosexuality is caused by environmental influences present during important developmental stages of a child (infancy).

The go-betweeners like to suggest that the true answer lies somewhere in the middle of both arguments, and as time goes on that may be the case, because there’s evidence piling up on both sides (though more so on the genetic front).

I’m in the middle of writing a paper, so I won’t post the list of links I have on the subject. However, I will I really need to. But I think I’ve gotten the point across.

The point is, there was no “choice” made. And abstinence isn’t a cure. By telling someone to be abstinent, you’re telling them that they should live the rest of their lives only being a fraction of who they truly are, and how barbaric is that?

Usually when a person is homophobic, they are trying to hid something themselves. It is usually that person who is hitting somebodys door at 4:00 in the morning when they think no one is looking… LOL

I don’t think he said anything that most straight men don’t think. I agree that he probably should have kept his true feelings to himself though because our world today is so PC. My brother is gay and I find his whole lifestyle pretty disgusting. I have never met any of his boyfriends, nor do I want to. I love my brother, but the less I know, the better. He feels hurt sometimes because I never attend his gatherings or hang out with him when he’s with his friends, but I have zero interest in gay bars or being around a bunch of homosexuals. I feel a little betrayed now because its like I don’t even recognize him since he came out of the closet. I don’t care who slams me for my comments, but I won’t apologize for my personal feelings.

@ Jasszyfe

You are obviously disillusioned but I will humor you. I realized that I was interested in women at around age 10 or maybe earlier. Being Jamaican, I dont think I could have had it any other way..even if I wanted to. Not to say that that aren’t any gay men in Jam Rock but life is really difficult for them.

@ #68, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what I’ve been trying to tell people for the longest.

I’m a straight female but I have lots of gay male friends and it annoys me to no end how some people don’t understand how a gay person did not choose to be gay. They didn’t choose to be gay no more than I chose to be straight.

Yes because anyone with a different opinion is dilusioned. Anyway I find it funny how you still didnt answer my question. When did you CHOOSE to like women? When did you have the ability to decide you prefered vagina’s over penises? Im not asking you when did you start liking women Im asking you when did you CHOOSE cause honestly I doubt you were able to make a decision on what you were attracted to. I knew i liked dudes when i was in preschool and never did I have the ability to change those feelings and point them towards women. I would literally wish to be straight when I would blow out the candles for my birthday…so for you to be able to choose all willy nilly makes YOU seem dilusional.

Brothers really need to empower themselves with the scriptures so that when they make strong statements, they can back them up. These people that try to run into the Bible and pull scriptures don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. They’re trying to mix this world and “American lifestyle” with the Word of the Lord and that’s like oil and vinegar.

Judah in response to your question:

“One thing that confuses me is, if sexuality is no one’s business but that person’s, then why do some black women get so angry when they get a DL negro for? He doesn’t have to tell you he’s bisexual, it’s “his business” remember, lol. It should only become both of your business if he marries you or gives you HIV or AIDS.”

The issue for DL men isn’t his sexuality, the issue is that he is not being honest about who he is, and mostly because of many of the things that you mention in your initial post.

The issue is further complicated by the fact that his dishonesty could be deadly - because if he is not being honest open about who he is, then he is not likely being honest and open about protecting himself.

The whole thing with people on the DL is that they are not being hoenst about who they are and what they are doing. Bisexual men and DL men, are not necessarily the same. Bisexual men, tell you that they are bisexual. DL men, usually live a lifestyle that suggests that they are “all man” and “hate gays”, when they are having relationships with other men.

Most women are angry because the man is not being honest, and that dishonesty could prove to be fatal.

ya’ll kill me with these bible comments.

seriously, if that’s the case, then women shouldn’t be wearing pants, NONE of you should have tattoos or piercings, none of you should be having sex before marriage, taking drugs, eating like you’ve never seen food before, staring at yourselfs in the mirror all the time (vanity, for retarded people who don’t know the 7 deadly sins), shoplifting (because I know some of you negros steal from the mall) and women, when you’re on your periods, you should be in tints away from everyone else.

that kills me. people are always so quick to throw the bible in someone’s face. all sins are equal, none is worse than another.

okay tim hardaway is a IGNARAMOUS!! You dont have to like a person’s lifestyle and may not like gay people but com’on hate is going to far. There is too much of that as it is. Whats the matter Timmy scared being around a gay man will expose who you are. You know what they say “they know their own kind”. If you were secure in your sexuality and your manhood then so what if a team member was gay. As long as he didnt disrespect you in anyway it shouldnt even bother you. Sounds to me like you may be hiding in the closet Bruh

st8 blk men do tend 2 lean towards d homophobic side, 2 be real. Black folks generally ain’t brougt up 2 be so open 2 that ish. we may bash him becuz thats what is POlitically Correct, but d ever day guy hangin with his boys probably say worse stuff than that. He was just airing his opinion, agree or dis agree, apologize or not, it’s d way he feels about it.

I hate gay people too.

“Scientific and psychological research” WTF??? The science of bull$#!Tology! The majority of gays say they had no choice until you find out they were raped, abused or neglected! Little boys raised by their mommas! They love to sit down when they piss, cause that’s how momma does it! hehe!

I don’t remember Martin Luther King saying, “I have a dream that little straight boys and little gays boys can join together and sing that old negro spiritual, Free at last, Free at last, thank God, Almighty, I’m Free at last!

I don’t hate Michael Jackson, but I hate what he does and I will never learn to cope with what he does to children! I don’t hate people, but I hate what gays do to each other and to children and what they do against the family!

TANNA AKA NE-HO, Tim did not pick and chose what sin he wanted to speak out against! John Amaechi raised the issue and volunteered that $#!T! I’m sure if Kobe would have said, “I’m an adulter, every married man in the NBA would have spoke against him to distance themselves from him. But, he didn’t do that, Kobe tried to keep his mess in the “closet”, which is exactly what Amaechi should have done! Why do y’all insist on going public with your immoraility?

And, you need to understand the context of “something about” a woman covering her head before coming into the presence of God! You really don’t know what your debating! You’re refering to Old Testament! In the New Testament, women and men are to pray without ceasing! So, Beyonce’ would never be able to uncover her head. Some Countries like Iran still require women to cover their heads…its the law! BTW - a gay man would be beheaded in Iran! If he does it, it keeps his mouth shut with an equally as conservative “partner”.

If the Bible argument makes you feel guilty about your gayism…then its doing exactly what it intends to do! Most people refer to the Bible teaching about gay sin, so you’ll know that its nothing personal…just Jesus speaking! Maybe Tim should have said, “God hates homosexuality!”

And, how can you be “almost 100% sure”? lol You fatherless children are like watered-down punch! The road to recovery is not seeking acceptance from others! Why should I sugar coat this topic with you when I feel that your very soul lies in the balance?

And, so what if he tries to retract his statement to save his endorsements! Damage control is a part of life! How Tim feels is without a doubt, but its not the same as Kramer calling nigers! Hardaway may be wrong for discribing his feeling as hate, but his debate on this issue is solid! This is a war against principle, not people!

The WNBA is plagued with gay women and when you look up in the stands, the audience is like a zoo with short-haired women wearing wife-beaters and jeans. The WNBA is a cess pool! Tim is just saying that he wouldn’t want to see the NBA fall victim to the gay world like the fashion, WNBA and many more industries in coorprate America! When gay numbers grow, straight people put distance between them! However, gays will not prevail!

I think basically, he/we should govern the words that come out of his mouth. As stated earlier he must have been under some type of rock when Isiah Washingdumb made the same mistake of putting his foot in his mouth without checking his socks first. LOL This world does have a hell of a long way to go. Anyhow hate is such a strong word to use to describe something or someone, someone should stake his house out for a week, and see whose knocking (or for that matter) letting theirselves in a 2-3 a.m. BOOTYCALL HOURS!

@71

Brother we’ve danced this dance numerous times before so spare me the white man’s false sciences and doctrines. Some of it is on point and some of it is contrived. The scientific community is as split on the origins of man and sexuality as the democratic and republican parties allegedly are on the war in Iraq. You can pull that hypothalamus gland shit with someone else. (I Tim 6:20)

Ok first of all meatloaf i live with both my dad and my mom! My dad was in the army and is homophobic himself. So how did I…who had was never raped molested whateva!….who played on the baseball team as a kid, and had many straight black friends become gay? Yeah I think you need to get your head out of your ass and THINK! If not having a dad makes people gay then 2/3 of black men are pole smokers lol!

ROFL DEAD.

STOP COMPARING HOMOSEXUALITY WITH RACISM. Hating people is flat out wrong. Not approving someone’s actions is acceptable. Just because homosexuals deserve to be treated with respect, kindness, and love as human beings does not mean that everyone must accept homosexuality as an appropriate action. The counter argument is just as ridiculous….if you say Christians must now accept homosexuality as a good thing when the Bible clearly speaks against it. Now all of a sudden you are discriminating against someone’s religion. As far as racism, this is a hate against a person because of their ethnicity. This is not a hate on someone’s actions.

@pittbboi

If you believe that shit…then I got a bridge to sell you.

You said:

“By telling someone to be abstinent, you’re telling them that they should live the rest of their lives only being a fraction of who they truly are, and how barbaric is that?”

So you’re saying that if someone abstains from sex he or she is only living “half a life?”

I dont agree with you, because I think the Tibetan Monks are living very fulfulling lives. Also, Gandhi and Mother Theresa both have lived very fulfulling lives.

See, you crave the flesh so much that you think if you’re not fucking somebody or something, you’re not living.

Like Martin Luther King Jr. said: “Our scientific power has exceeded our spiritual power - we have guided missiles and misguided men.”

I rest my case…..

Ok then duke why dont you get on all this younguns here who are having premarital sex? Im sure they are at risk of eternal damnation just as much as the next fag. Oh and does anyone else find it funny that people like meatloaf who claim are the epitome of masculinity are on GOSSIP blogs? I mean damn what straight dude gossips about beyonce’s lacefront or ciara’s fashion mishaps lol!

this guy just wants to be noticed, he aint doing nothing with his life, so lets just say something controvsial so I can get into a magazine.

“you aint got no skillz”

gay people suck.

Heres what I dont understand when such a topic comes around. What is the homosexual lifestyle? Is it going to clubs? (Dont heterosexuals go to nightclubs?) Or is it the whole fornication thing that constitutes the “lifestyle”? What if you are gay and dont frequent nightclubs like that or fornicate? Does that mean I still have a lifestyle? If that is the case, that says a lot about my “lifestyle”, since I think mine is pretty humdrum (get up, go to work, go back home)

@Brian

There are no “seven deadly sins”, so please try again. I guess you take it anymore, lol. Men and women can wear earrings, noserings and jewelry, but they cannot get tattooes.

what a tool! who the hell cares what people do behind closed doors?! i sure don’t. let them be happy. everyone deserves to experience love in their life and if it happens to be with someone of the same sex, so what? why is it anyone’s business to preach and judge to anybody’s lifestyle? worry about your damn self and what the hell you need to do to get your life right.

this should be an interesting post. i’m talking beyonce post numbers (don’t yell at me cuz i brought her name up!). there are many ignorant people out there in the world and TOO MANY on concrete loop. open your minds people. it’s 2007. GET OVER IT!

I think people just need a “other” to make them feel better about their sins. People are always making gays the ultimite sin, yet they dont realize that each sin is considered equal. And then these dudes wanna say that gays should hide in the closet and keep it private….ummm last time i heard niggas dont be hidin their premarital sex lives from the public. Hell some men even brag about infidelity and cheatin and shit. Why should we shame ourselves when yall worship niggas that rap about fuckin 30 broads, or killin niggas? And jamaican artists (no offense) got some nerve tombout gays when they sing about premartal sex and murdering gays….niggas please upgrade ya minds!

LOL @ Brian.

Anyway I wanna add that this debate is like beating a dead horse. This has been discussed on here so many times and it’s obvious no ones minds have changed.

My final words: it’s called EQUAL RIGHTS and everyone deserves that.

As a straight black man, I have no problems hanging around gay men. 90% of them could care less about me because they like GAY MEN! As a religious man, I dont agree with their lifestyle, but its not mine, so I could care less. I don’t believe in abortion, but that doesn’t make me a democrat. I am saddened that we are talking about people as if they are not whole because they have a different lifestyle other than our own. To Tim Hardaway, he needs to focus on his ignorance, this is a prime example why they need to make athletes earn an education instead of wallowing in their own ignorance.

“@71

Brother we’ve danced this dance numerous times before so spare me the white man’s false sciences and doctrines. Some of it is on point and some of it is contrived. The scientific community is as split on the origins of man and sexuality as the democratic and republican parties allegedly are on the war in Iraq. You can pull that hypothalamus gland shit with someone else. (I Tim 6:20)”

That post wasn’t even directed to you, Judah, so give me a break. I know to enter into a debate with you would be entering a ring where the opponent gets to pick and choose which facts best suits his ends, and what’s “contrived drivel created by the white devil”. Oh, and the scientific community is a lot more on track with the origins of both and man and sexuality than you think, Judah–but of course you’re not trying to hear that. Save your bible verses for a church that needs it. I don’t even need to touch that book to get at you on this.

#89
“I dont agree with you, because I think the Tibetan Monks are living very fulfulling lives. Also, Gandhi and Mother Theresa both have lived very fulfulling lives.”

Oh please, if you’ve got a bridge to sell me I’ve got a prayer rag to sell you.

The OBVIOUS difference in the scenarios you mentioned is that Tibetan Monks and Mother Teresa made the choice to abstain from all pleasures of the flesh in order to best serve the Lord as THEY saw fit. They didn’t do it because people convinced them they were going to hell otherwise. If this is the only way to live a fulfilling life then why aren’t you packing to go live in the mountains with those monks, yourself? Put your dick on lock-down and put on a cowl. The picture you painted is an extreme and you know it.
“See, you crave the flesh so much that you think if you’re not fucking somebody or something, you’re not living.”

And the bullshit keeps on rolling. Sex is only a small facet of it. When people direct homosexuals to abstain they aren’t just talking about sex, they’re talking about giving up the idea of ever having a loving and monogamous relationship with who THEY want to be with in order to appease society’s concept of the norm. So you would be ok if a gay man abstained from sex, but still involved himself in a loving relationship with another man? I sincerely doubt it. You are demanding homosexuals curtail the desire to be with and love who they want–a basic human desire. Not just fucking.

Don’t rest your case. You never had one.

#94, I was clearly joking. I could give two fucks less about this topic, honestly, because no one is right, no one is wrong. everyone has their own opinion and all of this arguing is really pointless. no one is going to change anyone’s mind. all of you are going to get frustrated (clearly : look at all the essays that have been written in this comment section) and get your panties in a twist.

so I’m just making fun of all you.

@ jasszyfe

Whew…I dont know why I keep on doing this. Ok the topic hear is not about who is at risk of eternal damnation. The topic is about nature vs nurture, ok. If someone chooses (the operative word here) to go have premarital sex, that’s his or her own decision. Let who is without sin cast the first stone. What I am debating is choice…..

I see you have a problem comprehending this….

Someone above said “I don’t hate people, but I hate what gays do to each other and to children and what they do against the family!”

Wow, since when did gay people become pedophiles? Gay men like other gay men, not little children. That was an extremely ignorant thing to say.

@99

Are they on track? The white man can’t even decide whether the solar system has 8 planets or 9, lmao. Go ‘head with that bullshit. He said that the earth was deteriorating of its own accord 4 years ago and now “mankind is destroying the planet”, lol. Or is it him?

WTF? Why is it that every other supposed straight guy gets so caught up on a gay guy looking at them or checking them out? I mean what makes him think that he’s so hot that a gay man wouldn’t be able to help himself and just had to stare at his d*ck in the shower or just had to have “evil gay fantasies” about his monkey ass? Also, does he really honestly believe that there isn’t a gay player on his team already who just hasn’t come out? Does he honestly believe that he hasn’t showered with a gay player already? His comments say more about him than he realizes. Obviously homosexuality is an issue that’s on his mind way more than he’s comfortable with admitting.

ANYONE who hates another person for any lame reason like being Black, White, Asian, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Asexual, etc. is an ignorant bigot and needs his/her head examined. Period. WE’RE ALL HUMAN, ALL CHILDREN OF THE SAME EARTH AND ALL BLEED RED. There is no reason for such ignorant bigotrty. One day people will realize that gay is just as natural as the sun, is not immoral and is not condemned by God. Until then we gay people will have to keep educating and tolerating ignorant monkey ass haters, yes haters, like Tim Hardaway.

He’s so full of crap. If anything, he probably made a pass at John and got turned down. In the Black community, it used to be an accepted standard that Black men would go out of their way to condem such homophobic behavior as Hardaway did, but know people are wising up.

Not only does he that cries the loudest has the most to conceal, he that desperately tries to retract such statements isn’t a real man. It’s one thing to state your opinion, but do do it with such ignorance, carelessness and viciousness and then retract it is another. To be 40 years old he sounded like a complete fool to the interview when he asked him to clarify. I can’t wait for the backlash to hit his ass. What a loser.

P.S. The Bible also states it’s a time and place for everything. A time to speak and a time to keep your damn mouth closed.

Hunny i think you have a problem with comprehending what you are saying. U never once showed me how sexualiy is a choice. The only thing you’ve told me was when you started liking girls, not once did u say how you came about choosing them. I can see this convo is going nowhere because you like to avoid things, but for the sake of being a good person I will give you another chance. Exactly when and how did you choose you liked women instead of men or what have you? How were you able to choose what you fantasized about, and what got your penis hard?

Do you honestly think people can control what they are attracted to? Could you CHOOSE to be attraced to an ugly female if you wanted to? Of course the answer is no…but apparently when it comes to gay people we have the special ability choose what we like sexually.

EXCUSE ME! The Bible is not a valid defense for any beliefs. So that is bad advice.

You cannot say, “This is what I believe” and then go pull up some sanctified scripture to validate your claims. Reason being the Bible does not have universal or absolute authority. Now if you want to preface your statement with something like “Well I am a devout Bible thumping Jesus Freak and in the Word it says…,” - well that is allowed.

However, you cannot- in the contemporary- use the Bible as justification and expect to be taken seriously. Get over it.

I’m confused as hell, so you guys are saying that if a woman goes into a fertility clinic and chooses the charateristics of her future child, she can choose for her child to be gay???? I didnt know that was a sex…Lol. I have nothing against gay people, but this sounds effing crazy!!!!! The bible issues…whatever…the choice of being gay is just that….A DAMN CHOICE!!!!

@78

Sis, you are extremely intelligent but let’s cut to the chase. Many, many black women in this society love gay men and they get their just deserts.

Why in the world is it a big deal??? is he not allowed to speak his mind or let his opinion be known??? They are millions of things that we all don’t like. I didn’t like Beyonce’s dress at the grammy’s should I be punshed for saying that??? He’s allowed to say whatever he wants to say. Why is it when it comes talking about gays that it’s not the American Way??? Why does a society make us accept gays?? society hasn’t even accepted blacks 100% yet and we’ve been here longer? People wake up say what you feel and say whats on your mind of course they are going to be people that don’t agree and that’s ok because we live in a diverse culture. Now the brotha is out of a job because he voiced his opinion. Thats crazy.

Change of subject: Hey Brian any new music posts coming down the pike?? LOL

Meatloaf you cannot equate gay with pedophilia. Who is even to say MJ is gay? Pedophile- probably. Gay- who knows.

Your comments allude that a direct correlation relationship exists b/w the two. That is not true or proper. That correlation is about as sound as the correlation b/w the brain development and Blacks that surfaced in the early 1900s.

I am dumbfounded at how limited some of you are.

i had a gay homeboy in highschool.I mean dude was cool,however I didnt kick it with him outside of school,but I would speak if we crossed paths.He was’nt like in drag or anything.Just a cool dude.If you are comfortable with who you are then it does’nt matter.

@99

“Are they on track? The white man can’t even decide whether the solar system has 8 planets or 9, lmao. Go ‘head with that bullshit. He said that the earth was deteriorating of its own accord 4 years ago and now “mankind is destroying the planet”, lol. Or is it him?
”

Don’t confuse debate with a lack of knowledge. And scientific ambiguity in one field doesn’t always apply to everything.

I could easily point out that the bible is still a heavily debated text, but it would be pointless and in fact turn me into you: relying on the irrelevant to make my point.

There will ALWAYS be naysayers. There will ALWAYS be some form of confusion in just about everything. In some cases, it is majority and opinion and the theory that has the most evidence supporting it that must be relied upon. As it stands now, homosexuality is not a choice, and most current debate is centered on just what THAT means. Not whether or not it’s true. Deal with it.

You people are so stupid… I don’t agree wit they lifestyle. It’s not a lifestyle that you choose to begin wit!

I know ya’ll all had that kid or seen that little boy in church who was a little bit more feminine than the other boys or that little girl that liked to hang with the boys a little more than the average girl.

I believe people are born who they are! No one teaches a CHILD to act that way. Any of ya’ll that’s known someone in the neighborhood, know that alot of those kids grow up the same way. People are who they are. They didn’t pick, or decide to one day be gay! You people are just as ignorant as this dude. GET SOME GAY FRIENDS! Matter of fact, Get some friends outside of just being black shit!

To me the ignorance is not so much in what he said, but more so the response that I have been reading. So what if he does not like you? He does not have to. You can say that his words were ignorant, they may have been. But they were his words. Not yours. His thoughts. You cannot tell a person they are wrong for their thought. Most people conclude their feelings from past experiences. So a better question is what exactly happened to him to make him feel like this? You dont know his experiences just like he does not know yours, so before you condemn him for his God-Given right to think and speak freely, find out why he says what he says. People want to be listened to, but do not want to listen. You have one mouth and two ears for a reason. I am not saying do not stand up for what you believe in, but if that is his belief then let that be. Let him deal with his own issues on his own. At the end of the day he is the one who has to sleep with himself. I do not think he is a closet homo, I just think he had a bad expereince that relates to homosexuality. My thought is if you are truly comfortable in your skin, then you would not even entertain him. I would never justify my heterosexualty to anyone who asked. Because I do not care what anyone thinks.

As far as your sexuality being your business, that is true. However, that beast takes a whole other turn when deception (the DL man) is involved. Take note.

first of all my opinion is my opinion. if i believe in the bible then let me do me. no sin is greater than the other, and i’m not saying that i don’t sin because i do, like right now for example when i say fuck off, if you don’t like what i said ignore it. i’m not trying to change the fact that some men like packing shit. i could care less about that, or about anybody else on this site. like someone said earlier only god can judge. because i won’t be sitting around waiting to curse someone out online, like so many punk bitches do, (yes, i’m working on my temper) fuck any one who has something to say about my OPINION in advance. good day.

Dude come on now, u cant tell me that blacks arent treated with kid gloves when it comes peoples opinions. Kramer, the twin nazi girls, and that guy running for president ALL got backlash for being ignorant. The only difference between racist whites in the industry and homophobic blacks, is that the whites know how to keep their hate on the low.

#116 I can absolutely tell someone that their thoughts are bsted and often. No Apologies, in your face, getting you told. That’s me.

If you step to me with some ignorance then I have to do the necessary thing and enlightn you.

As a gay black man I wasnt offended by his comments at all… and actually respect his honesty and the right to his opinion.

Knowing his views I will just make the choice not to support him or anything he endorses. And I am happy to see David Stern has took the stand to say the NBA doesn’t support his views.

It amazes me that homophobic men assume just because someone is gay they are looking or desiring every man. It doesn’t work that way.

If you would have read…most of the gay folks on this site dont even care about old dude not liking gay people. Most of us are responding to folks who like to make gay people superhuman by saying we can choose our attractions and such.

Where’s Azure or Bill at….some intelligent upstanding brothers and sisters that stand for something. Maybe ya’ll can tell me if I’m going off or not. I see alot of “Christian” negroes that are conformed or half-stepping. Christ said that he’s gonna spit you out if you’re lukewarm.

You know what’s really funny, that these homosexuals are so “confident and secure” but they get so offended when someone says anything against their lifestyle. No one said, “let’s kill gays and lesbians”. That’s how you know they want to change people’s thoughts, not their actions. The same “black” homos that talk about how “it’s not that serious” when black men get killed or falsely arrested are ready to march on the White House with rainbow army boots on, lol.

@ 69

The point is everyone is so concerned with others faults when its all the same….in reference to the bible. No, I am not well versed as to every quote in the bible, but it is funny how those with there own demons like to focus on others. Whether it’s right or wrong is not the argument. How it’s affecting your situation and why you feel so strongly against something that no one is imposing on you is a better question.

I FEEL WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS LIKES AND DISLIKES BUT TO DWELL ON SOMETHING THAT ISN’T DIRECTLY AFFECTING YOU ECONOMICALLY OR YOUR IMMEDIATE HOUSEHOLD IS POINTLESS.

I would really like to see these outspoken people’s view on something that really has an impact on there livelyhood.

They probably don’t have one because most people like that are shallow and lack intelligence on more intellectual subjects. NOT, DO YOU LIKE GAYS….

Boy, what a dumbass. I knew he’d apologize. If not, I don’t know what he’s doing for a living now, but he’d have fucked himself out of a significant sector of society.
How do we as black people find the energy to discriminate against anyone. We haven’t gotten our forty acres and a mule yet. It’s such a waste of time and energy.
We Vegas firts got going, the mobster Bugsy Siegel wanted Lena Horne to perform at his hotel, loved her music. But, he had her bed sheets burned. To top it off, he was a jew. He was hated more by the racist whites than we were. Jews were making huge financial inroads, they were pariahs. What kind of logic was he using.
God will be the final arbiter for anyone who is wrong, it’s not our place to judge. Live and let live, they are people just like the rest of us.

Hardaway is looking mad gay himself, why would you say that stuff out loud when you are a celebrity? Keep it to yo self! But everyone needs to realize that a lot of black people are homaphobic.

Preach 123 lol! And Judah, I could care less if you dont approve of me gettin F*cked by some hot zesty mens, but dont tell me how my mind works and how I chose my “lifestyle” when you dont know me. Im not a submissive person so if someone says something about Im gonna speak on it….just like you would if someone said they didnt approve of you wearing “urban” cloths, or having sex before your married.

Compton for the first time we see eye to eye…old boy just got that “how u doin” look goin on. He got gay eye lol.

#55 and #57 PREACH ON!!!! You took the words out my mouth.

#126

LOL

“And Judah, I could care less if you dont approve of me gettin F*cked by some hot zesty mens,”

LOL–that right there made my day…

#123 It is always in the best of interest for people with conviction and intellect to take on struggles that are not uniquely their own. My interests and that of someone facing adversity are mutually aligned.

A few years ago when migrate strawberry pickers boycotted Whole Foods for unjust treatment I acted out as I regular shop there and demanded change. Yet, I am not a migrant strawberry picker, but I am sensitive to their claims.

When A&F offended countless Asian Americans with a series of offensive and humor-gone-awry shirts I was there. Yet, I am not Asian American, but will not stand for assault as humor.

As women in Central America and Southern Asia are trafficked into prostitution. I protest. Yet, I am not a woman or of either ethnicity, but believe that no one should be forced into sex work against their own will.

And when Blacks were headed for the North many of them received a helping hand from kind White American souls- and I thank them. Because while the tedious journey to freedom is not my direct struggle it was the path of my fore fathers/mothers as I am African American. Do you see my point?

What would have happened to my ancestors if those willing people (many of whom happened to be White) chose not to help because that struggle was not their own?

Sometimes these marginalized groups have no political platform on which to stand and have their grievances heard. It is at these times that people should rally around a cause and create a dent in the social sphere in which we live (even if you fee you are not “economically” affected- as you so callously put it).

BOTTOM LINE IS NO SIN IS GREATER THAN THE OTHER AND DON’T IT’S REALLY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO BASH GAYS CUZ IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO CONDONE THEIR OWN SINS..AND THE IGNORANCE AND HATE ON HERE SHOWS WHY THIS WHOLE DL THING EXISTS AND IS KILLING OUR PEOPLE….AND NO I AM NOT GAY OR CONDONE IT…IM JUS SPEAKING FAST….”ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD” SOURCE: THE BIBLE

THANK YOU # 131!! NOW, CAN Y’ALL ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!?

@126

Negro when did I say anything about you, lol. I don’t give a damn what or who you’re doing. Honestly brother, I don’t know you from a piece of shit and you seem to have about as much value.

@114
The Bible is only heavily debated because the people that filter the knowledge of the Bible are not the Lord’s chosen. You probably believe it when they tell you that all these ancient cultures had no written records too, huh?

Yeah right nigga u needs to stop flirtin wit a nigga an let me be! Just cause im gay dont mean i give up the goodies to any old negro. Now hop off an get ya here GET!

And you need to stop acting like gay negroes are puting gay rights over black rights. Personally I could care less about gays being married, and i dont consider ellen or rosie o donald my sheros! Like i said u need to stop stayin on peoples jocks and do you. Most gay black men HATE feminen gays who fight for gay rights so how the funk u gon say black gays put gay b4 black?

I must admit that Meatloaf had a point on the WNBA. OMG! It’s almost like it’s a requirement or right of passage to get selected to a team to be GAY! But if you watch the high school, college and pro female basketball games being lesbian is the MAJORITY not the minority. Even the coaching staff as well.

What’s up with that? Can someone shed some light on that then since folx are debating.

I wish Tim had said what he had to say to Vibe or XXL, but saying it to a white man on the radio, hew will happily send that to whomever will listen. He gets notoriety out of Tim’s honesty. I do not agree with Tim, I think some people just like to listen to themselves and get caught up in a moment, because “hate” is a strong word, I do not dislike homosexuals and I do not just tolerate them. I tolerate caucasians!!! Anyways, being gay and also a professional athlete is NOTHING people. Who gives a damn, as long as you can hoop, run fast, or tackle, it does not matter. People need to get off that stuff. It makes no sense that this is a big deal. journalists should not even be asking those questions. It makes me wonder, if there is a “current” player out there who is gay or DL, he is truly not going to say anything. He will have to compress it, and I believe that will affect some people mentally! Really people need to get lives, are professional athletes not humans, I mean I know they are sometimes above the law, but damn, they are made of the same stuff we are! I’m out thanks for reading…..

I guess most women who like sports are gay? I mean I wouldnt expect straight men to be lining down the block to attend fashion shows and to watch project runway, so u cant expect straight women to the majority in B ballin.

#133

There you go again with your irrelevant factoids, Judah. As though the debate over the bible is any more acceptable. What makes you anymore “chosen” than those others who filter the Lord’s word? Pure conjecture. Just admit that you have nothing else to say and drop it.

109. JUDAH said:
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@78

Sis, you are extremely intelligent but let’s cut to the chase. Many, many black women in this society love gay men and they get their just deserts.
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Judah -

maybe so, but in that case, those men are not down low, they have identified themselves as gay and the women have made a choice to accept that.

You question was why do women get upset with men on the DL, and again, it is not about the sexuality, it is about the deception.

@130

Respectfully, I don’t see your point. lol… Your speaking of people who have been mistreated or are in a struggle of some sort. Standing up for these people is a noble thing to do and I applaud your conviction. However, what battle (a person who just doesn’t aggree with gays) are they fighting? There is no victim in this case just a bunch of hypocrites that like to spue hateful comments. So how are you standing up for the “the hetero world”? Answer: Your not! You’re simply offering your opinion on gays! Which is your right, but pointless to convey!

Why not preach on something like black on black crime or how to bring each other up as black people? Something that does in fact affect your livelyhood.

U know i dont even think i commented on the topic at hand lol. I agree with 137 in that white people are just lookin to get contraversy and like the uncle tom he is, tim just shucked and jived his way into the white mans trap. I know people are gonna say that we shouldnt be silencing our opinions of certain things, but if you want to make it you need to learn the game. Just like I. Washington, this fool just dont know how to stfu. He is a BASKETBALL player, not a political figure. He should have just said he was there to talk basketball and left it at that.

Now he ended up lookin like a bumblin fool cause he wanted to “speak his mind”. And dont act like it was his opinion and that he can say whatever he wants cause obviously his apology tells me otherwise.

I am not going to come down of Tim Hardaway 100%. I do think using the word “hate” was uncalled for.
The bottom line is that in life, everyone is not going to accept you, and they don’t have to. Whether it’s because you’re gay, you’re a female, you’re black, you’re handicapped, you’r fat, etc…that is just a harsh reality of life!!! We all experience discrimination!!Face the facts..I’m not saying it is ok, but the is just the way it is.

141: cosign infinetly

Oddly I cosign with 143 as well!

My point is directly related- or in response- to 123’s comment about not taking on issues that are not immediate to us. I think that’s anti-intellectual. I was not directly referring to gay people and their respective rights (or lack thereof), but rather the short-sighted nature of the comment in and of itself.

However, if I wanted to, I could make a case that gays are a very marginalized group and culturally, verbally and even physically assaulted because they are gay. That struggle is both real and apparent, but that was not the intention of that post. Yet, Hardaway’s comment illustrates a painful sort of reality that exists in America (specifically amongst Black Americans) that perpetuates cycles that lead to discrimination (verbal or otherwise) against gays.

LMAO @134

What’s “get ya here get”, like some 1940’s ebonics? Negro go ‘head with that shit(no pun intended). Hopefully you repent before Christ comes back, if not, I really don’t care. Somebody has to be put to death.

I do believe that some people are born with that homosexual spirit, but only to show the Lord’s chosen how not to behave (Prov 16:4). That’s why there’s no need to get frustrated, angry, or violent because all these things happen to fulfill prophecy. Any time in ancient Israel that the Israelites were dealing with the Most High, they removed “the sodomites” out of the land (I Kings 15:11,12, I Kings 22:45,46, etc.). This is a wicked society so the homosexuality is going to multiply, simple as that.

Post #’s 60, 62, 65, 68, 71, and 75–YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, I COULDN’T AGREE MORE. (

86. jasszyfe, it sounds like you were neglected!!! Next!!!

I think it’s always a bitch-ass move to give your honest opinion on something and then turn around and apologize for what you’ve said after the fact. If you have the balls to say it, have the balls to stand behind it — unless you truly didn’t mean what you said in the first place. But if that’s how you feel, stick with it. Damn, the man got your purse strings tied like that? Not a good look Tim. Maybe YOU should have waited until YOU retired to make that statement. Then it would actually mean something (at least to you and the millions who heard it).

when did it become a crime to practice freedom of speach? our beloved president doesn’t agree with homosexuality. thats how he won the southern vote..promising to keep same sex marriages illegal..if Tim or anyone else doesn’t like gays..then thats that persons opinion. we all have prejudices..we all prejudge..based on life..give it a break..why can’t he express hisself..leave him alone.

I don’t like racist remarks, or homophobic remarks but I must say that EVEN if it is wrong and you shouldn’t say or feel that way don’t be a b-tch and let people pressure you and make you renig and say what you don’t really mean or feel. Think what you wanna think but sh-t stand your ground.

THIS IS REALLY SAD! I HAVE TO SAY THAT AS A BLACK, EDUCATED, GAY MALE THESE COMMENTS R A DISGRACE!!! FOR THOSE OF YOU ON HERE THAT FEEL AS THOUGH ONE CHOOSES TO BE GAY, U R SADLY MISTAKEN!! WE ARE BORN GAY JUST AS R BORN STRAIGHT AND WE DO NOT CHOOSE THIS LIFESTYLE!! AND FOR THE RECORD, JUST BECAUSE I AM GAY, DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WANT TO SUCK EVERY PENIUS THAT I SEE!!!! WHEN R U SO CALLED STRAIGHT MEN GOING TO REALIZE THAT? I HAVE MANY STRAIGHT MALE FRIENDS AND THEY R COMPLETLY COMFORTABLE AROUND ME AND DO NOT FEEL LIKE I AM GOING TO COME TO THEM N ANY WAY. IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT IF A SO CALLED STRAIGHT MAN IS UNCOMFORTABLE BEING AROUND A GAY GUY OR THEY ARE CONSTANTY MAKING REMARKS SUCH AS MR. DUNCAN, THEN THAT MEANS THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING FOUND OUT THEMSELVES!!! MY LIFE IS HEALTHY AND HAPPY AND I HAVE WONDERFUL FRIENDS, FAMILY AND GOD CHIDREN WHO ALL KNOW I AM GAY, THAT I HAVE BEEN IN A RELATIONSHIP SINCE I WAS 19 (I AM NOW 28) AND THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT GOD MADE ME! SO PLEASE STOP SAYING THE GAY “LIFESTYLE” BECAUSE IT IMPLIES THAT THIS IS A CHOICE AND IT IS NOT. WE (GAY PEOPLE) DON’T SAY THE STRAIGHT LIFESTYE, DO WE? AND #73 IT IS REALL SAD THAT U R MISSING OUT ON YOUR BROTHERS LIFE BECAUSE OF YOUR BELIEFS… I THANK GOD THAT MY FAMILY IS THERE 4 ME AND U NEED 2 B THERE 4 UR BRO BECAUSE 2MORROW IS NOT PROMISED AND IT MAY B 2 LATE AND IF SOMETHING WERE 2 HAPPEN 2 UR BRO, THEN WHAT WOULD U DO? JUST A THOUGHT.

@146

The world is full of hypocrites and nobody can change nobody’s mind. Just learn to co exsist without the hatred. I love people! People love me and nobody enjoys being icolated from society because of other sexual preference. I guess I am just saying no matter your view treat people as you would like to be treated. And to all a good night!

#151

Why wasn’t anyone saying that about Kramer?

There’s a difference between just speaking your mind, and hate speech. What Tim Hardaway said was an example of hate speech. Almost implying that homosexuals shouldn’t even be in the country.

People have the legal right to say what they want, but that doesn’t excuse them from the public reaction to it. I think he apologized to because nowadays the public doesn’t take too kindly to bigots, at least out in the open. He has the right to hate homosexuals, and companies have the right to pull their endorsements. Simple as that.

Brian, I believe this is the first time that you and some of the others have spoken up! Don’t pretend to care less, because you read and hinge on every word! Keep it real and it will! Saying that you hate gays and trying to have no conscious is a sign of weakness not strength! A man will stand his ground!!!

But, some of you have never learned to be a man! Manhood is taught just like being a gentleman and civil! Why is it that you guys want to justify your action by bringing up other sins in the bible. Two men sleeping together is and will always be adultry!

You can’t be married in God’s eye! That’s not meant to sound harsh…its the truth! Brian, I think you can take a better position than that of a nitty wit! Or, are you playing the witty nit? Whichever, its not a good look while Pittyboy and others are fighting for the lives on here! They’re lost in bitterness and wilderness…you can’t be far behind.

Soon Concreteloop will be a gay channel! lol Y’all are trippin to call Hardaway gay looking! First of all, that’s hand with the homo sign is superimposed! He has on a jersey and looks like he’s been sweating. Thirdly, he is happily married last time I checked, and lastly, he says that he hates gays! Not the fake hate like Brian does in bafoon, but he really does not want to post up to a gay guard!

And, who gives a damn about what David Stern says? Who would take his word over the word of God?

Men who were never taught to be men like jasszyfe, who’s father was military and never there! He was raised by his mother!

This debate can’t be solved until some of you fess up and admit your abuse or neglect! Then, what Judah and others are saying will make sense!

developing…

My ONE point here today is this; I don’t like Tuna… so I don’t eat it (but I’m not afraid that I’ll become one)

I don’t like sardines… so I don’t eat them

I don’t like people who make excuses… so I don’t make them

I don’t like asking people for things… so I don’t ask.

And now that I’m done with that, I’ll simply say this… “You don’t like “fa ggots”??…. then don’t BECOME one. (I’m concerned that you honestly believe that a gay woman or man can somehow affect YOU… if the gay man ain’t fukkin you… how does YOUR life change?)

I don’t care for a lot of things that gay people do… but I don’t care for many of the things that my STRAIGHT brothers and sisters do.

OJ Simpson is STRAIGHT
R Kelly is STRAIGHT
The DC Sniper was STRAIGHT
George Bush is STRAIGHT
Flava Flav is STRAIGHT

And y’all worried about what GAY people bring to YOUR table? NOTHIN if you don’t invite him to sit down.

End trans.

It’s interesting how most people who believe being gay is a choice, are not gay. Yet most people who are gay will tell you it is not a choice.

And for all of you folks out there who are saying there is nothing wrong with him stating his opinion, the next time a politician, celebrity, etc., OPENLY says he hates Black people, admits he is a racist, and he wishes Black people were not in this country or in the world, I certainly hope you view THAT as simply him stating his opinion. It’s easy for black people to treat such situations as “no big deal/he has a right to”, when it’s not about us.

Martin Luther King said, “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. Well, I’m saying Hate speach against minorities anywhere is a threat to minorities everywhere. Tim Hardaway’s words should not be taken lightly soley based upon, “well that’s his opinion and he has a right to say it”. Folks this is bigger than simply that. It’s time for many of our people to wake up.

Everyone is entitled to their opionions. This was Tim’s opinion and belief. So what? Now, he said it in a mean way but it is what was on his heart.

I do not agree with the gay life. I also have a very good friend that is gay yet he knows how I feel. I cannot and will not accept his lifestyle because we are friends.

I am way more fearful of God than man!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, being gay is a chosen lifestyle. I do believe that many people may have an attraction to the same sex. It may be mild or strong. BUT the choice is their own.

The question is: Do I pursue these feelings or not? No one is forced to be gay. Being black is who you are on conception. Being gay is making a choice.

Oh, just because the man don’t like gays don’t mean he is repressing gay desires. Maybe he just don’t like gays. Novel idea, huh?

I HAVE TO CORRECT MY #153 STATEMET. I MEANT MR. HARDAWAY, NOT DUNCAN. LOL! SORRY…..

I got a question for you “CHA CHA”/#159…

What does, “I will not ACCEPT his lifestyle” mean? What puts you in a place where you assume that your “acceptance” is warranted OR validation in the first place? That’s an arrogant assed statement if I’ve ever heard of one.

You sound to be a Christian/God-fearing man/woman (and I don’t know which) but with that said, my question to YOU is… should your “gay” friend not be accepting of YOUR life choices?

Are YOU married and were you a virgin when you married, if you’re single… are you a virgin, afterall, that same God you fear looks down upon fornication… do you cheat, have you ever cheated, do you hold your “friends” who DO cheat/fornicate/steal (including bootlegging) to the same standard to which you hold your gay friend?

Do you curse? Have you ever stolen anything from work, when you come to concreteloop to GOSSIP, doesn’t that SAME bible that you speak of say that?

When you read a story here on Concreteloop and then repeat it to one of your friends, what are you doing? MY bible says, “Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20).

When you repeat something you heard from someone else, or share a story where you’re not 100% certain the facts are correct, or even share information about another person that will only bring them harm and not good, you are bearing false witness against them. Since the second greatest commandment is “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you would be breaking that one as well by gossiping. Would you gossip about yourself to others? If not, then why commit that act against your neighbor?

So #160, if a person finds himself ONLY attracted to the same sex, he is not attracted to anyone of the opposite sex ever at anytime, he falls in love with someone of the same sex, (sorry to be graphic) but even as a kid growing up even all of his “wet” dreams were about the same sex, all of his crushes in school were of the same sex, even his first crush at 5 years old was someone of the same sex, you are saying just as long as he doesn’t have sex with someone of the same sex he is not gay?

If that is what you are saying how does one make himself attracted to the opposite sex? Please explain how to do that?

*note* also include in that, he prayed every night for years that it would go away.

um my dad was a BIG part of my life. He left the army before i was born so wtf are yall talkin bout? See there yall go again, always trying to tell people something about themselves and how they are when u dont know a DAMN thing about them. That is what ur problem is, you think you know everything and instead of listening and learning, you block out and hide under your close minded views. No I was not only raised by my mother, and NO i did not choose to be gay….deal with it!

And in closing it is what it is. Tim has the right to speak his mind, and we concrete loopers have the right to speak ours. If I dont like something im gonna speak on it, just like i didnt like when kkkramer said nigger, and when the presidential candidate said obama was the first clean and attractive black man in politics. Freedom of speach is a two way street ladies, get with the program.

Y’all kill me getting “righteous” as it relates to somebody else. And for those who say that being gay is a CHOICE… how would YOU know if you’ve never been gay? Were the options open to you and you CHOSE heterosexuality… or was there never even the slightest chance that another d#ck/P@ssy could “excite” you… if you KNOW that homosexuality is a CHOICE then that means that you speak from EXPERIENCE and that you were attracted to men AND women and then CHOSE one over the other.

As far as the use of the word “hate”. The Most High says to hate the evil and love the good (Amos 5:15). King Solomon says that there is a time to love and a time to hate (Ecc 3:8). King David says that he hates with a perfect hatred the workers of iniquity (Psa 139:21,22). Christ said to serve him, we’ll have to hate our mothers and fathers (Luke 14:26). Saint Paul says that the Most High loved Jacob and hated Esau (Rom 9:13 quoted from Mal 1:2-4). It’s not an emotional hate, it’s a hate due to knowledge. It’s not a matter of whether the Bible has hate, it’s whether you choose to believe in it or not. Anyone who says that they have no hate is a liar. A man just knows how to control his hate and all his other emotions. The powers that be have tried (successfully) to turn Christ and the Most High into some soft, effeminate, Santa Claus-like figures.

@139

What makes my opinion or “factoids” irrelevant? Why, because I’m not an “enlightened” homosexual like you, lol. You probably hate straight black men like most of these other “peaceful people”, lol. I don’t respect people that hide their hate. Keep that shit 100% real. Most of the “great enlightenment thinkers of the late 1700’s through the mid 1800’s were homos too (your heroes)and they hated blacks as well. If I was using the knowledge that the Lord gave me to co-sign homosexuality, you’d be my biggest fan. You’d say, “Judah give me another scripture”, lol. You claim to believe in the Most High and the Bible but I’ve never read anything that you’ve posted that didn’t have to do with the white man’s philosophy or science.

I never said I was chosen. I’m just a man, I can’t determine that. I said “the Lord’s chosen”. I’ll take that as a compliment though because you’re really saying that you think I’m one of the chosen. It’s easy to tell who the chosen are because they don’t shuck and jive in the Lord’s Word. When people use certain scriptures as a crutch or tell you, “that was for back then” or directly refute a scripture you know they’re dealing with Satan. The same people that try and tell you what a scripture doesn’t mean but can never tell you what it does mean, or those that tell you the “Old Testament is done away with” but still quote from it when it suits them, lol. They know who they are. For example I had a debate with a group of mormons around my way and they claimed to be the Lord’s chosen but they didn’t know whether certain books were in the Old or New Testament and the more I dug into their spirit, their racism started to come out. All that “love” is a facade until the white man see that you know who he is, then the kid gloves come off, lol. Christ said to come through the strait gate.

Your buddy talked about your god, the white man in #142…did he still “make your day”, lol.

In post #163, I forgot to mention all of this happened before he had sex for the first time at 20 years of age.

Oh and if you think just because the fool is married that he is 100% straight then I would like to direct you to exibit A: Elston John exibit B: That mayor that came out a couple of yrs ago, and exibit C: Every closeted or DL man that has a wifey in the day, and a dude at night.

Who really cares?? There are far more important things going on in this world today other than what a celebrity (or ex celeb) said was his opinion. I’m tired of hearing about gay peoples’ issues. Every time you turn around a gay rights group is mad at this or that, or I have to see that mess on a TV show.

And who mad gay men the ultimate fashionista?? Just b/c your a gay man, doesn’t mean you know what fashion is!!

“What makes my opinion or “factoids” irrelevant? Why, because I’m not an “enlightened” homosexual like you,”

Your factoids are irrelevant because I don’t think ancient civilizations leaving behind written records has anything to do with Tim Hardaway being a dumb ass. Simple as that, and don’t try complicate any further in an attempt to introduce more irrelevance. Judah, you know I couldn’t care less about your philosophy or belief in the word, so save it. You’re simply not going to change my mind with it, just as I’m not going to change yours. So come with something else or drop it.

“You claim to believe in the Most High and the Bible but I’ve never read anything that you’ve posted that didn’t have to do with the white man’s philosophy or science.”

My spirituality isn’t the issue here. But I might as well point out that in several discussions you have not held back from quoting the opinions of the white men who agreed with you (the few there were ,anyway). Don’t pretend like half your belief system is borrowed from the white man, or are we going to get into another ridiculous debate where you try to claim that every person and culture of any historic significance was black? Get that shit out of here.

“I never said I was chosen. I’m just a man, I can’t determine that. I said “the Lord’s chosen”. I’ll take that as a compliment though because you’re really saying that you think I’m one of the chosen. ”

LOL–Judah, you should know by now what I think you are.

“They know who they are. For example I had a debate with a group of mormons around my way and they claimed to be the Lord’s chosen but they didn’t know whether certain books were in the Old or New Testament and the more I dug into their spirit, their racism started to come out.”

OMG!! A RACIST MORMOM!?!? How could such a thing exist!? Of all people I thought it was the MORMON who was the bastion of racial and sexual equality and forward thinking. Judah, how courageous of you to expose their true nature.

153. mar315 said: “JUST BECAUSE I AM GAY, DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WANT TO SUCK EVERY PENIUS THAT I SEE!!!!”

lol! Are you saying that you don’t want to suck every one, but just certain ones? hehe! You sick!!!

This is like a convention! All the crazy gays are coming out of the closet at once! What happened! Did y’all feel guilty leaving Pittyboy out there all by himself?

When one of you zealots come out of the closet looking like Ms. Jay Alexander, you discrace the human race…especially the black race!

And, when did y’all discover that you were born queer? What age was that? Who told you to say that! Stop trying to rethink your condition and just change it! Rather than embarrasing your family and friends, why don’t you just give up having immoral sex? Spare your fathers and uncles!

And, to you sisters who defend gay men, could it be that a gay man relieves women of the condition where her desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee? I’m just asking the question? lol

171 Posts and Counting!!! Do I hear 200 coming down in the stretch?

OMT - Opinions are not like assholes! Opinions can go both ways, but assholes were meant to go one way only…$#!TT!N out! lol

@ Meatloaf…

Understand one thing before you allow your ignorance to cloud your vision. Just because someone points out the double-standards of “homosexual” hate, doesn’t make them homosexuals.

In the bible that CARRINGTON owns, it is no more a sin to cheat on your wife, steal from your job, tell a lie, etc than it is to be a homosexual, in fact, in the bible that I read… all of those EXCEPT homosexuality are considered His COMMANDMENTS!!

Very strong words however he is entitled to his opinion. I think he may have had a personal experience with gay ppl which was very negative and thats how he formed his views. I know alot of ppl in the world and in the NBA are gay but the lifestyle isnt correct politically or spiritually.

charrington in huston,

Yes, its all sin, but I don’t see anyone asking for acceptance to cheat on their wife or steal! Only gays ask for acceptance to commit sin!

Carrington in Houston..chiiillle for once you and I agree! Let’s do lunch:)

People who do those things don’t HAVE to ask for acceptance, for the most part, it’s GIVEN…

You know how you have that uncle who brings his GIRLFRIEND to the family get togethers, while his WIFE is at home, and nobody says shit - he doesn’t HAVE to ask.

You know how you go in the barber shop and sell bootleg, translation STOLEN cd’s and EVERYBODY, gay and straight buys one - you don’t have to ASK for permission to bombard me with your SINFUL, stolen property, you just DO it.

You know how you go to the club and EVERYBODY in the crew is lookin for some pussy/fornication (even though they’re a) not married or b) MARRIED! - They don’t ask permisson, but it’s accepted by everyone in the group!

You know how you pick up a magazine and see a picture of Beyonce/Janet/Deelishus and you LUST after her… as a CHRISTIAN, (hypothetically) yo’uve invaded my space and belief systems when I can’t pay for my gas without seeing ass or tiddys… did anyone ASK me to do that? They dont HAVE to.

I’ll say again, it’s a double-standard that has put homosexuality at the top of the sin hirarchy, even though there are 10 COMMANDMENTS that we brush aside because what? THOSE apply to us, fuck that fact that I steal, fuck the fact that I fucked my brothers girl, fuck the fact that I’m married and fucking PERIOD, fuck the fact that I WANT to fuck my neighbors wife, FUCK the fact that I bear false witness…. how bout them punks!

LOL

178: Imma give you a standing ovation bravo negro bravo!

Evertything that Tim said is soo stupid. First, you can not look at a person and tell they are Gay. Just because a man is a sissy or feminine does not mean he is Gay. Just because a man is a thug does not mean he is straight. I have dated married men and men with children; and most only have kids so their boyz won’t call them Gay. That makes you wonder why so many men have kids and don’t care or give a darn about them. Many of the so called straight men in the shower with Tim are probably Gay, looking at his dumb butt; literally!!

Just his opinion? So what if he was white saying he hated black people? Would that be “just his opinion” then? I doubt it.

Some of ya’ll are WORSE than Hardagay!!! I guess hate is still alive in the black community. I bet there’s a number of you who would fly off the handle if he was white saying he hated blacks. There is no difference. Maybe if u truly were a victim of another’s hate, u wouldn’t be saying, “Oh I don’t hate them, but I don’t condone they’re actions.” Shut the hell up! Why is it that the only peeps who complain about gay men are ugly, busted-ass black men? No seriously. You put a gay man in their locker room, and that raggedy nigga is the LAST clown they’d be looking at. It’s a miracle that a woman would even be interested, let alone a man. Some of you actin’ like every gay person you meet wants to fuck you, which is bullshit. I hope that every fool in here gets a taste of racism so they know what’s it like to be the victim of hate. I can’t say I’m suprised though. Like that whole T.R. Knight/I-GAY-ah Washington drama, Concrete Loop once again shows an indifference to gay people, almost like it’s okay to hate them. People are outraged over Washington’s comments, but according to CL, it’s racist. Angel gotta opinion on every other stupid post, but for Hardagay, she got nothing to say. Now people are outraged at him, so I suppose it’s a racial issue now? I don’t think so…Hardagay is an ugly, broke-ass has-been that no gay man would even dare give a second look. As are the fat bitches and eNiggas in here thinking every gay person wants their trollin’ ass, dream on. Ya’ll need to worry about your own mess and quit worryin’ about gays. You got your own shit to tend to.

PITTBBOI SAID:

#151

Why wasn’t anyone saying that about Kramer?

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THANK YOU!!!

I am so disappointed that people here are claiming “Freedom of Speech” and “Right to an Opinion” and all that bullshit. WTF??? Why didn’t anyone say that about KKKramer? If a white man said “I hate all Blacks, I am a racist” or “all niggers should leave the country” would y’all be saying he has a right to his opinion??? No, we would be mad as all hell. Hate speech is hate speech, period.

And get off of using the Bible to defend your hate. We are all God’s children and none of us has the right to judge anyone else, only GOD can. Last time I checked there were other sins in the Bible, why do people choose to focus on homosexuality like it’s the worst thing in the world? Why can’t people be this passionate about adulterers and murderers? The Bible states those are sins too.

@181
Folks kill me with that only “in the black” community crap. Ignorance, racism, bigoty, ghettoism, gossip and all the other crap is not ONLY in the black community. Its in the human race community so kill that. Its like someone said earlier, white folk just know how to conceal their crap!

Oh but I agree with everything else u said Fumero.

#19, #21 #29, #36, #38, #46, #48, #53, #55, #56, #57, #62, #65, #79, #86, #95, #96, #107, #112, #115, #124, #130, #153, #157 I couldn’t have said it better myself!

#22 Yes, we have gay ministers because, ummm, THERE ARE LOTS OF GAY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD TOO!

#26 & #52 - LMAO!

#51 & #64 - Ummm, yeah, the gay struggle is a lot like the Black struggle whether you like it or not. Black folks don’t own the patent on oppression. I am Black and gay so I think I have a good grasp on both struggles.

#69 - So, when is your coming out day?

#110 - Think about what you’re asking when you ask, “Why does society make us accept gays?” First off, no one is “making” anyone accept us. Second, we’re HUMAN! Whether you agree with our lifestyle or not, we’re still human and deserve equal rights as all humans do.

#117 - Let’s not forget that there are plenty o’ straight men that like to pack the shit of females!

I actually think that a lot of homophobia from straight men comes from the knowledge that there is obviously physical pleasure that can be derived from sex with another man and that knowledge easily threatens the masculinity or manhood of those who are insecure with theirs.

Judah, Dukesman and Meatloaf - Wow you guys are just retarded, huh? So, Dukes, are you saying that before the age of 10 you weren’t interested in females, meaning you were interested in males? Judah, I don’t like what Hardaway said, and he is obviously a homophobe, however as a Black gay MAN, I would certainly come to his aid, defend him and march for his rights if he were unjustly arrested or violently killed by a bigot, just like I have marched for the rights of gay people. And “the Lord’s chosen?” Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that the Lord is a bigot like you and picks and chooses who He loves? I can’t believe that God would choose you as one of his own, at least not the God that I know. That’s just nuts! God can not be personified with limited human traits such as hate and discrimination. He is beyond personification. GOD LOVES US ALL DESPITE OUR SHORTCOMINGS OR SO CALLED SINS! Meatloaf, you’re comments about abuse and neglect suggest that there aren’t straight men out there who were abused and neglected or molested. Abuse, neglect and molestation have nothing to do with the way you are born. And not all of us are born equal or with a “clean slate.” There are thousands of babies born every day with illnesses or disabilities. I was born gay. Period. I knew from as far back as I can remember that I was attracted to boys and learned the hard way that what I felt wasn’t the “norm” and wasn’t readily tolerated or accepted.

As far as the Bible is concerned, not everyone believes in it or God so it’s really an invalid tool to use in an argument against homosexuality. I also find it interesting how one of the most famous sayings in the Bible is something like “let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” If we all lived by the Bible, most of us, gay, straight or bi, would be dead because we’d be stoned to death in a public square somewhere for being adulterous, lying, stealing, cheating, murdering, etc. And lest we forget that according to the Bible, even THINKING about a sin is the same as committing the sin in action anyway! So all you Bible thumping hypocrites need to BACK OFF!!! You should be happy He hasn’t struck your ignorant, hypocritical asses down with a bolt of lightening already for all the dirt you’ve done and all the hate you’re spreading in His name!

That concludes this week’s sermon…lol…

Ignorance is bliss for fools. Everyone should know that.

Jasszyfe I like your way o’ thinking woman.

So,
would you like those who are attracted to the same sex to start dating the opposite sex (thus, add to the DL community)…

or be out and open, then have no love, (safe) sex, & affection for the rest of my life (is that possible? because most of us can go a year without any kind of affection; much less 60 or 70 years!) and mind you, im still a virgin and 20.

or should i just kill myself, because i wasn’t made like you? This is why i go to bed with anxiety attacks every night, because i’m really scared just to live my life knowing i’ll never be happy, no matter what choice i make..how can anyone live in fear of being hated and isolated, in fear of going to hell, expected to live without any love or affection? Should i have to feel so scared!

Preach LABLKMAN72! Preach it my brova *waves hands in the air b4 falling out* Now ya’ll come cover me with a sheet and fan my sweat lmao!

You guys are wrong for the “Official Homophobic Membership Card” LMAO…..But that was dumb on Tim’s part, he know that the homosexual/lesbian/tranny community will pull the Johnny Cochran Card faster than you can say, “Gay.”

being homophobic means that you are scared of gays, having a “phobia” which means you are scared of something is different from hating something. If anything Tim is a gay basher. And not liking gays is not like being a racist, it isn’t a sin to be a particular race, but it is one to be homosexual. ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE.

he said what alot of people really feel, however hate is such a strong word.but to each, his own. in reality, tim really doesn’t know how to talk in public, he uses slang when he talks. i think he needs to take some public speaking classes, and realize that he is not talking to his homeboy, but to the world. he is really going to need some great p.r. reps. after watching the matthhew shepherd case on tv i learned that everyone deserves respect. you may not agree with it, but on some degree you must respect that person personal preference.

What the Bible says about Homosexuality

Contender Ministries

With the schism in the Anglican communion, the Constitutional amendment in the United States to define marriage as between a man and a woman, and in light of various ‘human rights’ laws around the world that vilify those who speak against homosexuality, more Christians are asking what the Christian position towards homosexuality should be. While only a tiny percentage of people are homosexual, the gay lifestyle is becoming mainstream – at least in some circles and in the media. Let’s examine what the Bible says about homosexuality, and clear up a few myths in the process.

First, let’s start with some fundamental groundwork. Some people, uneducated in scripture, are under the mistaken impression that all forms of sexuality are sinful according to the Bible. With this misconception, they readily disregard anything the Bible might say with regards to sexuality, choosing instead to side with their sexual desires. What they don’t understand is that they are completely wrong. Sex is a creation of God, who pronounced all His creation “good!” Sexuality is not sinful. It is a wonderful part of God’s plan.

God put a limit on sex, though. Yes, a limit – only one. There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of sex. The only caveat to the enjoyment of sex is this: sex is meant to be enjoyed in the context of marriage – not outside of it. Unfortunately, these days we must be specific. Sex is to be enjoyed within the context of a marriage between a man and a woman. That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Hebrew 13:4 says, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” All sexual sins (i.e. promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) are sins because they do not conform to the limit of sex being a marital activity. Now of course some of you will point out the list of sexual activity prohibited by the Mosaic laws, but let’s not address those issues of the law from which Paul said we are now free. Instead, let’s stick to those ancient commands that endure eternal. To that end, the above-mentioned single rule is how we are to judge sexual morality.

The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were the first recorded in the Bible to face punishment for their sexual perversion. In Genesis chapter 19, we find two angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom. In verse four, we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have sex with them.” The pro-homosexual revisionist argues that the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the residents wanted to commit an act of rape. That the rape would have been homosexual is not an issue, according to their argument. However, Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their sexual perversion. Their sin was not simply one of violence (rape) but of sexual immorality (homosexuality). As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosexuality as “an abomination.”

Contrary to the opinions of some, the Old Testament is not the only place in the Bible that condemns homosexuality. We previously mentioned Hebrews 13:4, where Paul exhorted us to honor the marriage bed and keep it pure. In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” are those men who engage in unnatural sexual relations with other men – homosexuals. That is also how the NASB, the NKJV, and the NIV translate that verse. Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosexuality.

Having established that homosexuality is a sin, we must now face that we live in increasingly pro-homosexual societies. The media and the schools have become mouthpieces for the gay subculture, and are working hard to marginalize those of us who take a moral, biblical stance on the issue. School sex education programs based on the curriculum developed by SIECUS champion homosexuality as being normal and healthy, while encouraging teenagers to ignore the values of their parents if their parents feel homosexuality is wrong. “Gay” television shows are popping up on networks like Bravo and on other networks as well.

In many nations, current and existing laws are including slurs against homosexuality in the definition of hate crimes. In fact, some in Canada have found themselves in legal trouble for reading the first chapter of Romans over the airwaves. This is a pattern that is sweeping the Western world, and I predict we’ll see similar legislation in the United States within the next few years. While the Canadian Parliament claims that a religious exemption in their recent hate speech bill will protect speech of a religious nature, in practice Canadians have already been prosecuted by human rights tribunals for things as simple as listing the same Bible verses above in a newspaper advertisement.

Even the church today is not immune to the mainstreaming of immorality. The Anglican Communion, including the Episcopal Church in the United States is suffering a rift because of the appointment of an openly homosexual bishop. This rift is widened because some of its leaders have deemed it appropriate to perform homosexual marriages. The Methodist Church has allowed openly homosexual ministers to retain their positions. Let me make this clear: I do not oppose allowing homosexuals to attend church. In fact, I think that’s where they should be. However, we must not condone sinful immorality by allowing our clergy to practice it openly. Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin. If they were repentant, they would no longer identify themselves as homosexual. Just as no church would allow their minister to engage in an ongoing adulterous affair and retain his position, so we must not allow homosexual ministers to retain their positions of leadership.

Homosexual advocates will contend that homosexuality is natural, and some will point to homosexual activity within some animal species as evidence. However, it’s not hard to figure out that homosexuality is decidedly unnatural. My wife and I used to have a couple of pendant necklaces. Each of us had half of a pendant on our necklace. When we put our two halves together, the zigzag pattern meshed together flawlessly to create a single, whole pendant (which, by the way, bore the words of Genesis 2:24). God made men and women different, both emotionally and physically. Physically, we were created to fit together anatomically much like our pendant. Our parts just match up! Remember the child’s game of matching the round peg into the round hole, the square peg into the square hole, etc.? The homosexual is trying to force two pegs together, in blatant disregard for God’s natural design! The argument above also falls flat on its face when you consider that some animal species also eat their young. I don’t think we can extrapolate that into an acceptable practice for human beings.

These same homosexual advocates will claim that homosexuality is genetic. NOT TRUE! Nobody is ‘born homosexual.’ In 1993, Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute claimed to have found a genetic link to homosexuality. Yet in 1999, the results of an intensive study by the University of Western Ontario found that Hamer was in error. The fact is that after all the attempts to show a genetic cause for homosexuality, no such genetic cause has been found. A British psychologist has had enormous success in providing “reorientation” therapy to homosexuals who want to change. This is not a surgery or a medical treatment, but it is effective. How could it be effective if the cause of homosexuality is physical? Well, it couldn’t be. Homosexuality is a choice, not a genetic predisposition.

Also untrue is the label applied to those who don’t approve of homosexuality. “Homophobe” has been applied to anyone speaking negatively of homosexuality or of homosexuals. But in 2002, a study by the University of Arkansas was publicized that showed that term to be inaccurate. While a phobia is a fear, researchers found that those termed “homophobic” exhibited no traces of fear. The study subjects’ reactions ranged from disapproval to disgust, but none showed any fear.

God’s laws were handed down for our benefit. HIV and AIDS, while no longer exclusive to homosexuals, are still much more rampant and spreading more quickly among the gay community (at least in the western nations). Our children are at risk as well. While GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network) will tell your seventh-grader during a school assembly that heterosexual men molest more children than homosexual men do, they are not telling the whole story. That statistic is only true because homosexuals make up less than 5% of the population. Statistically though, a homosexual man is 10 to 20 times more likely than a heterosexual man to sexually abuse a minor.

A few “Christians” have hurt the cause of morality by acting out violently and/or hatefully against homosexuals. When Matthew Shepherd was killed for being homosexual,* a Baptist congregation gathered outside the courthouse during his killers’ trial. They held up banners that stated how many days Shepherd had been in hell, and used some disgusting names to describe him. They seemed to be happy that he had been brutally murdered. Hate is not the answer to anything. Every one of us is sinful, yet every one of us is loved by God. Jesus did not celebrate the death of Matthew Shepherd, and neither should we. “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” is how the saying goes, and that applies to homosexuals as well.

With that said, we must not be afraid to stand up and champion the cause of morality. Some will call us bigots and homophobes for our belief that homosexuality is a sin, but we cannot let name-calling soften our beliefs in God’s moral code. The pro-homosexual movement can only marginalize us if we allow ourselves to be marginalized. There are two ways we can do that: a) we exhibit hate toward homosexuals rather than love, or b) we remain silent. We must proudly champion God’s love toward the homosexual without condoning his or her behavior. Let His love shine through us, and may we all be examples of the morality God desires.

meatloaf, the honest truth is, I really don’t care though. LOL. you talking about being gay (something you know absolutely NOTHING about) means absolutely nothing to me, for the simple fact that you know NOTHING about it, because you’ve never experienced it before.

but like I said, no one’s mind is going to be changed by this discussion! your typing is pointless. because opinions are like cellphones, everyone’s got one. so trying to argue people down is pointless.

I could really care less about whether you think it’s a sign of weakness or strength, I’m not here to prove anything to you or anyone else, and that’s pretty much my opinion on EVERYTHING, not just this.

As usual, this is some good reading. But why keep debating an issue in which the opposing viewer will NEVER change their views? Accept it and move on. Do you love reading what you write that much?

When this topic comes up it’s never about saying what you feel and moving on to the next thread or being open to the opposing viewpoint. It’s always about getting somebody to cheer you on and co-sign. But some good points nontheless so carry on. This battle has raged for thousands of years and I’m sure it will rage for a million more.

thanks, #195. that’s all I was getting at. LOL.

Okay Tim Hardaway is an idiot. Um, does he really know how many GAY ball players there are? John Amaechi is the only brave one to admit it. Tim doesn’t realize how many closet teammates he may have. Does he really think that he would be raped by a gay teammate? Not everyone who is gay is going to “jump your bones”. Yeah, it’s a lifestyle alot of us don’t understand but damn educate yourself. You don’t have to like it but practice some CHRISTAIN LIKE LOVE. Let GOD decide what’s right and wrong. If your not GOD then you can’t pass jugdement. HOLLA!!!!!

Haven’t people learned anything from Isiah Washington (and I love that man). Keep comments of ignorance to yourself especially if your in the public! Like mama says “…if you can’t say anything nice, SHUT THE HELL UP!

@ LABLKMAN72…

Just from the question you asked tells me that you a complete fool. My grandmother told me once, “Dont argue with an idiot because they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you from experience.” You’re statement does not warrant an answer.

He’s A Fucking Bdummy [/End Thread]

So? Who cares? who the hell is he anywayz? next….

Somebody done pounced on that ass! He sounds bitter as hell.

Oh damn, I was wondering why this post got so HUGE. I shoulda known its b/c it got all religious up in here.
This Tim guy shoulda kept his trap shut. Didn’t he get the memo? Being a Black anti-gay is equivalent to being an anti-semite these days.
For all we know he’s probably a homo himself, as venomous as his hateful words were- Just likely in denial with his big ass.
And before any homosexuals attack me, I do believe MOST were born that way.
*waiting for the dummy-darts to fly into my ass*

He was just speaking his mind. I guess he apologized because he knew what was coming.

WAIT!!!!!! HOLD DA HELL UP! SUM OF U PPL NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ON EARTH U SAYIN!!!! SOME OF U R ACTUALLY TRYIN TO COMPARE BEING GAY TO RACISM. WHAT HELL NO!! THAT IS VERY OFFENSIVE!!! I AM BLACK, I WAS BORN THAT WAY AND I STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN HARDSHIPS BECAUSE OF THAT. RACISM IS STILL ALIVE! ESPECIALLY IN LONDON, ENGLAND. ANYWAYZ. U R NOT BORN GAY. ABND SECONDLY IT IS WRONG, VULGAR, VILE, DISGUSTING AND PLAIN NASTY FOR PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX TO SHARE SEXUAL RELATIONS AND HAVE SEXUAl FEELINGS 4 ONE ANOTHER.

I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH HOW DIS MAN WENT ABOUT SAYIN WHAT HE SAID . BUT I DO AGREE WITH HIS PASSION TO STOP THIS MADNESS. HOMOSEXUALITY IS WHAT IS DISGUSTING! THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFER FROM THIS ARE THE VICTIMS AND NEED HELP, NOT TO BE ATTACKED. BUT EVERYONE DON’T BE BRAINWASHED BY THE WORLD TODAY INTO THINKING ITS OK. LIKE THE BIBLE SAID. IN THE END OF DAYS THE WORLD WILL BECOME CORRUPT! AND IT HAS THEY ARE EVEN TRYING TO POISON THE MIND OF CHILDREN WITH THIS HOMO. RUBBISH. IT NEEDS TO STOP!!!

This is just my opinion. But as Brothers and Sisters if it is one word we should truly understand is.. TOLERANCE!!! Peace.

AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO PROPER OPINION ON THIS MATTER. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION OF WHICH CAN U PLEASE ANSWER HONESTLY ” WHAT DO U FIRST THINK WHEN U SEE A MAN AND ANOTHER MAN KISSING?” BE HONEST.

Wooow i just read like almost all of these posts…

Being gay is not a choice! why would you pick to be gay? so you can be hated by soo many people and talked down by so many people? That is not something someone would want. You can not say being gay is a choice…. When you were young did you choose which one you wanted to be attracted to? Go do an experiment when you wake up tommorrow choose to be gay and see how it gos…. hit up this comment section and explain all….HOLLA!

When Kramer spoke his peace, I supported his honesty. People came at me but they didn’t realize that honesty goes both ways. I like people that keep it real because at least then you know where you stand.

@170
Negro, I’m not trying to change your mind. I’m not lookin’ for converts, lol. You homosexuals are so sensitive and vain that you swear that people are totally obsessed about you having sex with someone of the same gender when they speak out against homosexuality. When I see homos or lesbians, I could care less. The Lord says it’s wicked, so it’s wicked. Simple as that. You could sit on a nuclear missile for all I care. Do you.

You’re still giving credit to the white man for things that the Most High is responsible for. I think that you’re far more obsessed with color than I could ever be. I don’t read “white books” or “black books”. I read books that corroborate the scriptures and history in the Bible in the spirit of truth. I’m the one that told you certain authors were caucasian because I know how a simple nigga like you thinks, “it came from the white man so it must true…”. Every book I have only has varying degrees of the truth but only the Bible has the complete Truth (Ecc 12:12-14, John 17:17). These whites have our historical records in their vaults and museums in America and Europe so of course they have more access to the truth. The Lord said that these other races would use archaeology to verify the scriptures (Psa 85:11, Jer 16:19, etc.). Some of the biggest liars and charlatans are these black authors that claim that we’re Egyptian or whatever (Jer 5:31). The Lord inspires a man to write a truthful piece of literature, not a “white man”, lol. I get my knowledge from the Most High, not a “white man”. That’s why when (or if) you read the Bible, it probably looks like hieroglyphics because you’re waiting for the “Great White Man” to give you the ultimate breakdown of the scriptures and you’re too conceited for the Lord to use you as a vessel. A series of questions for you: If the Lord was a black man, would you still want to go to heaven? When did the white man invent air and water? Did he rest on the 6th day or the 7th? When did he decide to make the earth round? Lol. As far as who was black in history, I could really get your panties bunched up if I started to list the notable men of history who were of our nation and were “whitewashed” but I’ll save that for another time. The Lord said that the white man would take many of the great men of history and make them white for his mind control and propaganda (Job 9:24). In 400 years, he might say that Michael Jordan was a caucasian.

You should be a mormon, lol. Ya’ll both believe the same things. No seriously I’ve noticed that they tend to run to the black communities in New York but I never see them in the white neighborhoods. Strange to me. Then again, maybe not so strange.

I think you think I am exactly what I said I think you think I am but you’ll never acknowledge that, lmao.

@185

Brother please go somewhere and sit ya ass down. Don’t speak to me about the Most High or the scriptures. All that mankind knows or will know about the Most High is in the Bible, not in your ridiculous doctrine (Isa 8:20, 34:16). That’s why the Lord said, I AM THAT I AM (Ex 3:14). He didn’t say, “I am whatever you want me to be.” The Most High dictates to us how we should act, we don’t give the Lord the traits that we want him to have. Who are we to tell the Lord a damn thing (Isa 40:13-17). The vanity and pride of you homos will be your downfall (Prov 16:18). If you knew the scriptures you either wouldn’t be a homosexual or you would be quiet and not try to use the Most High to justify your bullshit.

@207

A sign of the times sis. Obviously it’s disgusting but what can you do? The Lord will take care of it.

Ewww! I think British people are just VULGAR, VILE, DISGUSTING AND PLAIN NASTY PEOPLE. I HATE Brits and I think they should be stopped! LOL!

DUKESMAN - I’m going to take your grandmother’s advice and not even bother arguing with your (bigoted, hateful, confused, Bible thumping, hypocritical) foolish ass.

#193 - Once again, not everyone believes in God, so it’s plain old folly to condemn homosexuals based on YOUR INTERPRETATION of sin and the Bible, a text that was written and edited by man. God never held a pen to paper people.

Didn’t any of you pay attention in history or relgious studies? Don’t you know that the Bible has been edited over centuries to suit the political/socio-economical needs of priests who were very much in power over the masses back in the day? There was a version of the Bible that was distributed to priests and clergymen that included secret and anciet esoteric information and practices (some of these esoteric principles are hinted at in Revelations and even in the 23rd Psalm) and then there was a version of the Bible that was distributed to the common man that was void of these secrets. Don’t you know that there are a number of texts (Gnostic Gospels) that were not even included in the Bible for various political reasons? Instead they were found hidden in a cave somewhere in the Middle East in 1949. What I find sad is that so many people are just blind followers. They don’t bother to research or question; they simply fall in line like cattle and follow whatever they’re spoon fed because they’ve been terrorized by fear (God is vengeful and you’ll burn in hell for your sins…what a bunch of malarky) to do what they’re told. It’s sad really. NEWS FLASH: Organized religion is nothing more than a tool to control the weak-minded masses who can’t think for themselves. I’ve learned to know God on my own and I know that He could never hate or condemn me because God is LOVE and is not mocked, meaning He can’t be hate AND love.

Until Jesus Christ himself comes down off of his cloud and tells me that I’m going to hell for loving another man, I will happily be gay knowing that I am LOVED and ADORED by God who lives within my every breath. I have a feeling though that he’ll sooner come down off of his cloud and condemn all you HATERS for spreading ignorance and fear in His name before he condemns me for loving! Besides, if there is a hell I’m sure I’ll see ALL OF YOU there! I’ll be the one giving brain to Satan in exchange for air conditioning so I don’t have to roast like the rest of you fools. LOL!

@162 Carrinton…
It’s not arrogance to state the truth. My friend knew before he even outed himself how I felt. When he did tell me, my beliefs didn’t change nor my view of him because I love him dearly. He doesn’t have to accept my non-acceptance of his lifestyle. Our relationship is not based on his or my own sexual pref. He struggles with his homosexuality alot and it’s not because of acceptance because all his friends and most of his fam accept it. It’s an internal struggle because he is a Christian and knows what the Bible says about homosexuality.

Okay, on to your barrage of questions. To answer it in a nutshell, I sin every day either in word, deed or thought. That is because I am a sinful being. I break commandments left and right without even knowing it sometimes. Yet, when I do and even when I don’t know I have because I sin everyday, I confess it as such. I am a sinner saved by grace. My sins were atoned for on Calvary. What did I do to deserve it? Squat! Now, does that mean I can keep sinning because God will forgive me? Paul made that arguement. No. As I grow closer to God, I’m renewed on the inside EVERYDAY and move SLOWLY closer to being more Christ-like. I cannot be perfect in this world, but I will be in the world to come (new Heaven, new Earth). God is not a fool and shouldn’t be played for one. I’m not going to keep committing the same sin and feel good about it.

Biblically speaking…
Everything you mentioned was a sin and no one sin is greater than the other…very true.

Now, read 1 Corin 6:9. That is not an exhaustive list but the major types of moral sin of the unsaved. Now, while believers can and do commit these same sins, they don’t characterize them as an unbroken life pattern. When they do, it demonstrates that the person is not in God’s kingdom. True believers who do sin, resent the sin and try to gain victory over it and not continue to indulge in it hoping the rules will change.

Look, this is God’s law. If you believe in God, then you should understand. God planned for male-female relationships and this is a sexual perversion in His eyes. Also, homosexuality is not stated in the 10 Commandments but it is clearly stated in the Bible..Lv 18:22, 20:13, Rom. 1:26,27, etc.

I don’t justify ANY of my sins and I don’t have a parade about them either. Don’t pick and choose what you are going to take from the Bible but take it ALL as a whole. Scripture ALWAYS backs scripture. God will never change His rules.

Man look at all this scripture! And I thought bible study was Wednesdays. Its beautiful to see you niggas know how to read, let alone read your bible. You know there are some illiterate mofo’s up in here. But where the hell is all these scriptures when some nigga is beating up or cheating on his pregnant girlfriend? Or when some woman is ass out on the cover of a magazine? I didn’t bother reading every post, but I do know its pointless to back up Brother Hardaway with scripture. One of the fundamental teachings in the bible is love. Love your neighbor, love your enemy. What Brother Hardaway said was hateful, no matter what way you look it. You can disagree with someone’s lifestyle, but according to God, you don’t have the right to hate anybody. Real Talk niggas, speak on it.

He sounds very stupid. Very very stupid. Very stupid.

kind

Sorry but you can justify, make excuses for, sugar-coat it but being gay ain’t right and it’s a CHOICE. I’m a little worried about the powerful Pro-gay consensus in this county, trying to make almost every vice acceptable, soon molesting kids will be “Ok” because people are “born that way”. (Ever heard of NAMBLA?) You can’t PROCREATE being gay. Ya’ll like to say, “no sin is greater than the other” but what makes the difference is if you REALIZE your mistakes and REPENT. One of my best friends was a gay Cop I was stationed with overseas in the Airforce, but I am under no illusions as to what’s going to happen to him in the next life. The only upside to all these gay Blk men running around is more straight chicks for me.

At VelvetJ,

I’m not sure whether you were being sincere and candid in your question or dousing me with sarcasm, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and respond on the assumption you were not trying to be funny.

Okay, all I can say to you is that every deed starts somewhere in the mind. If you constantly let something simmer and stew in your mind, it will eventually manifest itself into an action. You’ve heard, “an idle mind is the devil’s workshop”, right? That’s for real. For me personally, if I think too much on something (good or bad), each day I find myself drawing closer to actually doing it because each day the desire is given attention, grows stronger and preoccupies my every thought. I then start to justify doing it and eventually do it (not all the bad stuff-lol!). On the bad things, I hadn’t actually commited the act, but I was still sinning with the thoughts. The act just brought more sin and rougher consequenses.

If you were having all these thoughts since childhood, I can see how they could grow into you actually acting on them. Were you gay before you committed the act? I don’t know but the thoughts were sinful and the act was just added sin.

As far as praying for deliverence, there are no limits on God although we all put them on Him. Again, speaking for myself, I’ll give you an example. It’s lame but you’ll get my point. I LOVE horror movies! I used to read scary books, watch movies, go on websites, the whole nine yards. At some point, it dawned on me as I grew closer to God that what I was pulling into my mind through my eyes was not what God would want me to be viewing. So, I got rid of my books and vowed never to watch scary movies. I prayed for help to keep the vow. Well, I guess I expected God to magically take the desire away and all would be good. IT DOESN”T WORK THAT WAY. I’d see movie trailers and fight the desire. Now, when I’d go to the movies to see something else, and a scary movie was playing at the same time, I went on my desire for the scary movie because I never allowed God in to start helping me. I’d feel bad afterwards but even when I was in the theater feeling bad about it, I chose to go. Then, the whole process would start over…Lord, help me not to go to these movies, rent videos, watch them on tv, etc. Then, as I thought more about them, I justified seeing them.

That was too long and lame to make a point but I hope you got it. God never put me at the theaters, made me rent the movie, etc. I put myself into the situations because that is what I secretly wanted and God knew that. His voice is only as loud as you allow it and He does not force His will on us. If you keep allowing yourself and satan to supress His voice, it will go away and you’ll give in everytime.

I still watch the movies and don’t feel too bad about it. Why? I’ve justified it so watching them doesn’t seem too bad. I feel in my spirit that I shouldn’t watch but I do. It’s a lame struggle but I’m fighting between what I know to be right and actually doing it. Do I ask God for help? No. I feel ashamed because I feel like I’m playing games with God so I just don’t ask and keep watching the movies. It doesn’t seem so bad then. Am I sinning? Big time!

The above was my candor and I think many can put their own sin into my story and understand. If you want God to help you, He will but you have to really want His help. Do you really want His help?

If this is still a struggle for you, check out lovewonout.com.

“You’re still giving credit to the white man for things that the Most High is responsible for. I think that you’re far more obsessed with color than I could ever be. I don’t read “white books” or “black books”. I read books that corroborate the scriptures and history in the Bible in the spirit of truth. I’m the one that told you certain authors were caucasian because I know how a simple nigga like you thinks, “it came from the white man so it must true…”. Every book I have only has varying degrees of the truth but only the Bible has the complete Truth (Ecc 12:12-14, John 17:17). These whites have our historical records in their vaults and museums in America and Europe so of course they have more access to the truth. The Lord said that these other races would use archaeology to verify the scriptures (Psa 85:11, Jer 16:19, etc.). Some of the biggest liars and charlatans are these black authors that claim that we’re Egyptian or whatever (Jer 5:31). The Lord inspires a man to write a truthful piece of literature, not a “white man”, lol. I get my knowledge from the Most High, not a “white man”. That’s why when (or if) you read the Bible, it probably looks like hieroglyphics because you’re waiting for the “Great White Man” to give you the ultimate breakdown of the scriptures and you’re too conceited for the Lord to use you as a vessel. A series of questions for you: If the Lord was a black man, would you still want to go to heaven? When did the white man invent air and water? Did he rest on the 6th day or the 7th? When did he decide to make the earth round? Lol. As far as who was black in history, I could really get your panties bunched up if I started to list the notable men of history who were of our nation and were “whitewashed” but I’ll save that for another time. The Lord said that the white man would take many of the great men of history and make them white for his mind control and propaganda (Job 9:24). In 400 years, he might say that Michael Jordan was a caucasian.”

Oh shut up, Judah. You’re just one big ego with fingers.

Nothing you said has anything to do with the topic at hand. This argument wasn’t about color until you made it that way. Go back to the first page where you write an essay about your typical white conspiracy BS and then tell me I’m more about color than you’ll ever be. Your cyclical, conspiracy-based debating is childish at best because whenever anyone has something to say to you you find a way to steer it towards the bible and color, because if it was anything else you’d just have nothing to write about (your sentence-long posts in this topic is proof that you have nothing of worth to say. Bet you’re happy that you get to quote a few bible verses now, huh?). Grow up, Judah. You can say what you want about me no matter how false you know it is because you fail to acknowledge the truth: in the world of intellectual debate the bible is all you have, and in most cases that is not enough. Judah, you’re just one big pile of irrelevance.

Save your questions for someone dumb enough to answer them.

I’m done. Let me know when you have something to say that’s actually on topic, because I refuse to argue your screwed version religion, or give you the satisfaction of thinking that you managed to steer the conversation to something you know a little bit about.

First of all Tim Hardaway my have been Harsh in using the word hate. But let’s look at it God hates the Homesexual act not the Individual so we must educate people in that area . Being Gay is a choice and can never be compared to being Black. Homosexuality is a Choice and this is the real argument. Because I have never seen a man and woman have to come out of the closet.

# 193 You are not paying attention.

It is not that people accept or reject various readings of the Bible etc. The point is many do not subscribe to the Bible (and its teachings) at all. Your comments would only have merit if someone actually followed and believed in the Bible to begin with, which is not the case.

In essence, the Bible is a great work of literature– much like Homer’s Iliad and the Odyssey– that can be interpreted and read in many lights. However, you must remember it is nothing more than a collection of fables. No validity whatsoever.

@ #218

How do you know homosexuality is a choice when you yourself are not gay? Who gave you this divine power to know this?

I’m a straight girl and I cannot recall the moment I chose to like men, so what gives heteros any right to claim homosexuality is a choice when we haven’t the SLIGHTEST idea what it is like to be gay?

I think the very idea that homosexuality is NOT a choice scares the hell out of some people.

“Now, when I’d go to the movies to see something else, and a scary movie was playing at the same time, I went on my desire for the scary movie because I never allowed God in to start helping me. I’d feel bad afterwards but even when I was in the theater feeling bad about it, I chose to go.”

ChaCha…Please don’t compare the desire to feel the love and affection of a human being to your desire to see horror flicks..thats an atrocious comparison; that’s two way out completely different desires! You can LIVE without seeing horror flicks..It’s mighty had for a human being to live and be satisfied without the love, affection, advise, motivation, and body warmth of another human

mighty hard* and yep, that was certainly a ridiculous comparison

people who are gay can not help that they are gay, this has long been proven…..i have no problem with gays, they are just like U and I…..stop being ignorant and accept people as who they are… I stongly agree with #7

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SO ADAMANT AGAINST THE GAY COMMUNITY, PLEASE LIST SOME REASONABLE SOLUTIONS FOR THEIR “PROBLEM”…AND A LIFE OF ABSTINENCE AND NO RELATIONSHIPS (NO SUPPORT, NO LOVE, NO PHYSICAL TOUCH) IS NOT PRACTICAL TO ASK OF ANYBODY OTHER THAN MONKS WHO LIVE IN CAVES, AND EVERYONE CANNOT BENEFIT FROM A PRAYER (GOD DOESN’T MAKE EVERYONE’S DREAMS COME TURE) SO THAT’S ALSO NOT PRACTICAL, SO PLEASE

WHAT ARE YOUR SOLUTIONS?

FROM DUKESMAN2000:

“Don’t you dare compare disliking gays to racism. People don’t have a choice in what race they’ll be, but they do have a choice in their sexual appetite. Don’t get me wrong, both types of prejudices are wrong but are not on the same level. It’s like someone going into a store and shoplifts, is it the same as someone committing a quadruple homicide? They are both unlawful but on different levels.Timmy was wrong for saying that shit, but I understand where he is coming from. You know how many times John Amaechi must have patted him on the but during the course of his career?…..lmao. Tim must have reflected and felt funny…I understand!

There is also NO scientific evidence that homos are born, either. I don’t need science, all I need is what the Bible tells me. God does not make homos or straight people for that matter. Does God create serial killers and rapist? No…Babies are born with a “clean slate” and as that individual grows and develops his or her surroundings or life events shape what that person becomes, and that includes sexuality. Sexuality is a choice, my friend. Whether you choose to copulate with like genders, opposite genders or animals, it is your choice. So is abstinence!

So if you choose to be gay, that is your choice, I dont have a problem with it. But dont you ever try and tell me that’s the way you were born. And I will argue this point with anybody!”

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So lemme get this STRAIGHT…you’re stating that there is no scientific evidence that people are born gay, and then you turn around and talk about the bible like that is proof of anything? Ignorant. Did u know that in Exodus 21:7, it states that is okay to sell your daughter into slavery? In Exodus 35:2, it states that anyone working on the Sabbath should be executed. In Corinthians 11:14, it states that anyone with long hair (JESUS) “is a shame onto him.” In Corinthians 19:24, it states that it’s a sin for man to go near a woman when she’s on the rag. About how many of those rules do you agree with? Do you think selling your daughter into slavery is wrong? Because selling black people into slavery is considered morally wrong, (especially by black people), and yet you’re taking literal consideration from a book that encourages it’s followers to adhere to slavery and killing jewish people. That right there says it all. And if you believe he’s your god and he is unfalliable, you can’t just discard whatever rules you don’t like. That’s hypocrisy as it’s highest form. You’re getting your beliefs from a god who, according to the bible, killed the first born Egyptian children in Africa as one of the ten plagues. What a nice god killing babies like that.

Also, you can’t sit there and say being gay is a choice, when you aren’t gay. Really…how in the fuck would you know? That’s just as bad as these moron pshycologists claiming that some gay people have been turned heterosexual. Just because someone CLAIMS they were turned straight and never fuck the same sex again, that doesn’t mean that they’re not gay in their mind or still attracted to the same sex. And unless you have some sort of super powerful doorway to see within others’ minds, u seriously need to shut the fuck up, cuz u don’t know what ur talking about. People can’t help the way they are, the way they were born, and NO, it’s not a choice anymore than being black. Being an alocholic is a choice. Being a drug abuser is a choice. Being a doctor is a choice. Working at 7-11 is a choice. Being gay is NOT. You have absolutely no proof whatsoever to claim that people aren’t born gay, nor do you have any proof that what the bible is saying is true. And if you are not gay, then you definetly have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re making giant assumptions, which is probably easy for you when you’re taking the bible as being literal dictations. And only a black person would say that racial prejudice is worse than hating gays. Sorry but HATE IS HATE. That’s like saying the American slave traders are worse than the African people who sold their own people into slavery long before the Americans ever even showed up. It’s picking and choosing whatever conviently supports your argument. Go ahead and argue, but since you’re neither gay, nor a mind reader, nor a scientist, nor god, nothing you say means shit.

BTW, nowhere in the bible does it say shit about gay people or homos. That was added later when the bible’s text was *gasp* REVISED. That’s right. Not only was the bible written by a fucking committee, but as with most hypocritical morons like you, they later changed the passages to fit with the times. I guess they weren’t that important after all.

^ You dare question God’s methods? If you take the time to read the Bible, you would understand the reason why He let the firstborn Eygptian sons die.

BTW, it does say that a “man should NOT lay with another man”. But do not have anything against gay people. It is also that God that is allowing you to breathe right now.

^ In fact, let me stop myself right now. I don’t want to argue with you, because you have your opinion, and I have mine. So I’m gonna stop.

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They usually say those who try so hard to deny it are are normally caught up in that type of life style
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Um no, he could just feel that way about gay’s. I hate when people say things like this because your doing the exact same thing he did….and that give out assumptions. I don’t agee with him on alot of things, but I don’t agree with this comment^ either.

They usually say those who try so hard to deny it

^ of course I’m talking about this comment!

he’s just doing it for attention he needs something 2 put him back in the spotlight again

I wish black folks were as energetic at repairing the community as they are on subjects like this; thats the main reason Bush won the white house the second time he had all the black churches and the ministers in his pocket with the whole they are trying to make marriage legal issue Black folk you had betta wake up or go back to picking cotton

#232 I honeslty think this is a LOT more interesting than talking about Beyonce for 400 posts.

Oh how CONCEITED is he to think that every gay guy wants his sorry ass? Gay people like straight people have preferences too!! And oh yeah one thing….He is gay

Here’s my question: why is God even involved in this?

It would be a little more understandable introducing God and the Bible into this if Hardaway himself stated that his religious beliefs were the reason for his hatred of gays, but he didn’t say that. He gave no indication of where his hatred came from other than the fact that he hated them.

For all we know his religious beliefs have nothing to do with it. You don’t have to be a Christian to hate gay people. This debate isn’t even religious to begin with. It’s a social problem, and it’s only going to be resolved that way. Sorry, for some of you.

And besides, this is the same guy who threatened a cop’s life and tried to accuse the police of racial profiling because he got puled over driving over 100mph in a 40mph zone (and got off without a scratch, btw). I really don’t think whatever religious convictions this man may have plays any part in his life or the decisions he makes.

Don’t credit this guy by claiming his comments were thought out and involved any sort of religious conviction. This man is just an unintelligent bigot, plain and simple.

Couldn’t read everything. Just my two cents :

The difference between dislike and hate is that a dislike is an opinion (I don’t like oranges, I don’t like Akon’s music), but HATE is a strong negative EMOTION that leads to slurs and desire of DESTRUCTION/EXTERMINATION of what you hate.

I’m black, I COULD NOT CARE LESS IF A NON-BLACK DOESN’T LIKE THE COLOR OF MY SKIN. In fact, those people don’t define me and determine who I am and my worth. They don’t like it? Fine. As long as they don’t literally HATE me and use racial slurs or physically harm me and encourage others to physically harm or kill me, they don’t have to like me or get along with me. I do NOT have a problem with someone not liking me because I’m black, it’s THEIR LOSS not mine. Tell me I’m not smart or call me a gold digger because of my skin color, who gives a shit? You think I’m gonna lose sleep over someone who doesn’t like my skin or has issues with, say, my gender? You don’t validate me, or define me, or determine my worth.

But I have a problem with KKK and their propaganda that black people should die. I have a problem with KKKramer saying that 50 years from now “NIGGERS” would hang on trees. That’s not free speech that’s HATE message and/or propaganda.

Gay people don’t choose to be gay (have you even *decided* to fall in love with/be attracted to someone?) just like blacks don’t choose to be black. Tim doesn’t have to like gay people, in fact, gay people shouldn’t need any non-gay to validate them. Had he left it at “I don’t like gay people” I can sincerely say that I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But to imply that they shouldn’t be in the country or THE WORLD in the first place INDICATES that he has thoughts of EXTERMINATION that might one day lead to ACTIONS. That is not dislike that is HATE, and I have a problem with it.

Straight people trying to teach something to gays about their homosexuality is like white people trying to school you about the Black Experience, it’s ridiculous.

And Carrington, what you said is true :
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178. Carrington in Houston said:

People who do those things don’t HAVE to ask for acceptance, for the most part, it’s GIVEN…

You know how you have that uncle who brings his GIRLFRIEND to the family get togethers, while his WIFE is at home, and nobody says shit - he doesn’t HAVE to ask.

You know how you go in the barber shop and sell bootleg, translation STOLEN cd’s and EVERYBODY, gay and straight buys one - you don’t have to ASK for permission to bombard me with your SINFUL, stolen property, you just DO it.

You know how you go to the club and EVERYBODY in the crew is lookin for some pussy/fornication (even though they’re a) not married or b) MARRIED! - They don’t ask permisson, but it’s accepted by everyone in the group!

You know how you pick up a magazine and see a picture of Beyonce/Janet/Deelishus and you LUST after her… as a CHRISTIAN, (hypothetically) yo’uve invaded my space and belief systems when I can’t pay for my gas without seeing ass or tiddys… did anyone ASK me to do that? They dont HAVE to.

I’ll say again, it’s a double-standard that has put homosexuality at the top of the sin hirarchy, even though there are 10 COMMANDMENTS that we brush aside because what? THOSE apply to us, fuck that fact that I steal, fuck the fact that I fucked my brothers girl, fuck the fact that I’m married and fucking PERIOD, fuck the fact that I WANT to fuck my neighbors wife, FUCK the fact that I bear false witness…. how bout them punks!

LOL

this fool must of not seen what happened to the grey’s anatomy dude

fuck faggots preach brother tim hardaway

WAT A FUK U SERIOU?ACTUALLY U R THE ONE WWHO SHULD NT BE LOWED AM NOT GAY NOR HETERO BT IM SO SAD FOR U I HATE NO GAYS OR ANYONE WHO HAS DIFFRENT SEXUALITY THAN MINE COS ITS NONE OF MY BIZZ,U JUST WANT ATTTENTION?NO WONDER U RETIRED

God is LOVE, LOVE is God! Period CASE CLOSED….

The thing I mostly had a problem with is how IGNORANT and poorly he spoke. Ugh, first…he needs to attend some elloqution classes because is speech is God awful. So not only did he open up his mouth to preach hatred, he went on the air as a public black figure and gave one of the worst delivered stances ever. I was sitting there asking myself, why does he sound like his education stopped at the elementary school level. No sentence structure whatsoever. Just a mess. And yes people are entitled to their own opinion…but like my mom always told me…everyone has an opinion like everyone has an ASSHOLE, so basically what Im trying to say…nothing but SHIT came out of his mouth during that interview, ignorant bastard!

Wow these are the last days! what a world we live in when you can be slammed for saying I hate Gays but if someone stood up and said I hate JESUS no one would have to be sent to rehab for that- that would just be their “Personal opinion” first of all to those people saying that they are BORN GAY that is a LIE! that’s saying that God contradicted himself. It would be like him saying I despise homosexuality but I’m going to make gay people anyway (read about sodom and gomorrah in the bible and how that city was destroyed!) or him saying I dont like killing or stealing but I’m gonna to make some people that way WHY WOULD HE DO THAT! THINK PEOPLE!!! If you believe there is a God then do know that there is also a devil who obviously pollute minds. MOST gays do not have a spritual background so to them throwing some bible verses at them does not mean a thing because they may not believe in God or take his words seriuosly. YES there is NO SIN GREATER THAN THE NEXT, but the difference between other sins and homosexuality is homosexuals dont believe that they are sinning when you rape someone or kill someone you know what your doing is wrong (unless you are crazy inside your head!) why not the same for homosexuality when they all follow under the same catagory? I use to be homophobic but I have some friends who happen to be gay and my hate changed when it hit home they know where I stand on the subject but I don’t love them no less because I am in love with the PERSON not their lifestyle. I let God handle their situation because it’s not for me to deal with I AM NOT GOD! I agree with some of you on here don’t talk about how it’s wrong in God eyes when you are probably out having premarital sex or commiting adultery or doing God knows what because you have no right to judge if you are not living the bible to the T. That goes for me too.

THE WORLD IS A SAD PLACE TODAY. IT IS SUCH A SHAME TO SEE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD SUPPORTING PURE EVIL. HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG. THOSE OF YOU SAYING THAT IT IS RIGHT ARE BRINGING SOMETHING BAD OVER YOURSELF.

ATLEAST MY CHILDREN AND MY CHILDREN’S CHILDREN AND ETC. ALONG WITH MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST WILL KNOW THAT THIS IS WRONG AND SOMETHING THAT STEMS FROM THE DEVIL.

I just saw your comment @ Meatloaf just because you too are a in the closet fudge packer. Dont be mad @ me because your trifling brethren is not mature enough to handle this topic and from your post I can tell neither are you punk ass!

#11- Point: All homosexual men do not fancy all straight men’s pecker. It’s quite possible that this homosexual NBA player doesn’t give a damn what you look like naked.
Direction: Get a clue.

#15- Point: The bible does not condemn homosexuality as a orientation. The idea of homosexuality didn’t exist when the bible was written. Yes, homosexual sex was referred to, but this only appeared in Levitical laws for non-gentile Jews within the temple. Of course these laws also condemned the consumption of
shellfish, but who’s not scarfing down shrimp?
Direction: Get informed.

i agree with #2 HOWEVER… we live in a climate where our celebrities should refrain from EVERYTHING they feel… Everything felt shouldn’t be shared!

We are all created equal, and the choices we make determine who we are. At some point in our life, we decide to be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or reframe from sex all together. When do we make this choice? Maybe it when we are embryo’s, or is when we are born. Then again, it could be when we speak our first words; I could go on and on about when the choice is made. No matter what choice we have made, we are all equal.

The problem we all have with sexuality is all tied to what is considered equal in terms of the law. If your choice is to be a homosexual, then that’s your choice and you should be treated with respect. I for one don’t respect your choice and probably never will respect your choice, but I will always respect you for making that choice. Obviously I chosen to be heterosexual and that choice blinds me to view homosexuals as being equal to my sexuality, and my view will not change no matter what the law says. I will respect you, by not showing any hatred towards your sexuality, because it takes strength to make a choice that is viewed as incorrect in terms of the bible, the law, and the majority.

Tim Hardaway, chose to voice his opinion and exercise is right of free speech. In his case, he forgot about the restriction put on that right. He should have been aware of the legal issues with gay rights and the battle they are having with their equality to others. His phony apology will not make up for his disrespect to homosexuals.

#193 (Jim H):

You built and stated your case beautifully!! Notice, there’s not a whole lot of people responding to your post and the LOVE in which you stated it. Why? Because there is NO argument when a Christian is giving you the WORD, giving scientific and credible EVIDENCE for the Intelligent-set, not being judgmental and showing the LOVE of God, and being TRANSPARENT about the fact that no sin is higher or worse than any other.

I am a Christian and do not apologize for it anymore than a gay person will apologize for their decision to be gay. I’ve spoken about God on several topics and will clearly say in this one: I don’t agree with Homosexuality and make a stand for God’s natural way of doing things.

I chose God, b/c He shined a light on my sins, my way of thinking that led to the sins, and what I was doing. So, there’s no changing my mind or my heart about who God is to me.

However, I also say: “Respect begats Respect”. I can, and will, exhibit respect for my fellow man. But, that doesn’t mean I have to agree with or accept any decision a person has made for their lives.

Instead of tearing at each other’s beliefs, when are we going to let this discussion be open and give transparent dialogue about the topic? I’ve tried to listen to and understand the reasoning a gay/lesbian person gives for why they are the way they are, but it all comes back to a decision:

God and His way of doing things vs. YOU doing what YOU want to do without respect for the consequences down the line. There’s no gray area. This applies to ALL of us, not just one group of people.

All of us–Christians, Gays, or whomever– will have to give an account for our decisions. He said for us to choose Life or Death, Blessings or Cursings in Deuteronomy. Life & Death is built into every decision we make. There’s a lot of doubters on here who have no concept of how real the spiritual realm (God, Jesus, Satan, Heaven, Hell, Angels, and Demons) really is.

Bottom line: Babies, your souls are at stake and a lot of you are just talking what you’ve been taught: Political Correctness and the School of “Do what you want”. You are being deceived.

As an Ambassador for Christ, I care about what happens to you when you leave this earth. You say you believe in God. How can you not believe He’s not crying at the animosity with which some of you talk about him and the Bible? How can you not believe He doesn’t want you to truly see that you are being blinded by the Bling, the Celebrity life, the sexual freedom, and everything else so much that you can’t see the same rapper who put the bling in his video crying b/c he is empty, caught up in a life he thought was all that, and can’t feed his family; The celebrity who has wealth, but no love and is empty; The pregnancies, the disease, and the soul ties behind sexual freedom, and the mess going on behind closed doors–BECAUSE PEOPLE’S HEARTS AREN’T RIGHT–THEY’RE EMPTY–AND DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.

Ultimately, you’re going to do what you want to do (Life or Death), and I don’t condemn you for that. But, I do encourage you not to wait until Jesus comes back in order to believe. If you have questions, PM me and I will answer them honestly. I don’t claim to be a perfect Christian, but I am Committed and I am using the Word to be perfected.

In the end, every knee WILL bow and EVERY tongue WILL confess that Jesus is Lord. Love you Babies!

being gay is a sin so tim is only stating facts stop dissin the crossover king

Plain and simple:

God is love, but there are things that He hates too!

Don’t underestimate the power of God to change a gay person who reads CL.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior!

Marriage is an institution created by God to be intered into by a man and woman!

Homosexuality, adultry, stealing, lying = all sins

Only gays seek acceptance for their immorality!

A Godly person should not cope with unrighteousness!

The gays on CL have united and come out of their closets like never before! Damn!

There is no scientific basis for gay opinions about the way they were born!

There is scientific and religious evidence to prove that God did not create a man’s ass for another man penis!

Homophobia is no worst than Homocoalition or Homoterroism!

After God said, “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone”…He told the adultrous woman, “to go and sin no more”!

I’m no better than the worst person on this planet, but gays need to go and sin no more!

Most of the gays on CL have very limited and prescripted knowledge of the Bible!

There are gays on CL who struggle every day of their lives with the guilt and shame of their choices!

There are gays on CL who have become infected inspite of the guilt and warning…even some harsh warning!

Tim Hardaway may sound politically incorrect to some people, but he was led by his manhood!

Jesus was considered politically incorrect by the ruling class!

God’s word changed the hearts of millions of racist!

God’s word has the power to change the hearts of the most confused homosexual, theif or murderer!

Brian is not being totally honest if he says he doesn’t care about this topic!

Homosexuality can be unlearned just like it was learned!

Its not good for a bunch of men to be alone! hehe!

Without a clit, the sex ain’t $#!T! hehe!

Miss Jay Alexander is a Hot Ass Mess!

Queen Latifah and Missy Elliot are Hot Ass Messes!

As the number of gays increase on CL, this site will lose its mainstream popularity and become a slant!

#222Whatlove…

You missed my point. I even said the example was weak. Read what I said again and try to look pass the example I used and get deeper into the context.

Thx.

TANNA AKA NE-HO said: He talked about how in the Bible it says something about women who pray without their heads covered are shaming the Lord and should have their hair shaved off.

Christ Is Our Covering.

@ Dukesman2000

I am so happy to see another man who believes they are right, regardless of the truth around them. It is not a choice it is a life…If you are so sure it is a choice walk in the shoes a black gay person in this society. Why would anyone choose to be further marginalized? Tim Hardaway made ignorant hated-filled comments and based on your comments you do not seem very far behind…
My brother embace love not HATE
You’re Jamaican and that explains a great deal the culture accepts nothing homosexual, that is why there are popular songa about burning up gays…
Your Gay Jamaican sister

243. NIKKY,

That was a powerful message and warning you gave! I beg to differ with only your last point.

You said:

“I agree with some of you (gays) on here don’t talk about how it’s wrong in God eyes when you are probably out having premarital sex or commiting adultery or doing God knows what because you have no right to judge if you are not living the bible to the T.”

God uses ordinary people to do his work! And yes, even ministers and preachers are not perfect! All have sinned, but we still are the salt of the earth! So, where does that leave us! The void in your statement is in the word “probably”! You could have explained that we all are guilty of sin, but you would be making a general statement to prove a specific point! Gays admit their sin and immorality to Christians everyday and then they want us to accept it! They confess it everyday and continue in their sin! Therein lies the difference between the adulter and the homosexual! Both know what their doing is wrong, but one tries to hide or repent and the other tries to hide or gain accptance! You can’t judge what you don’t know! You can judge what you do know! That’s called righteous judgement…its in the word!

We think that Beyonce’ sleeps with JayZ, but you know what, I haven’t heard her or him say that they were having sex like Janet Jackson who tells it all! I know she’s a ho! When Pittyboy, Brian, mar315, TANNA AKA NE-HO and Antwanm nem say their gay, their telling me that they’re having premarital, immoral, illicit sex with other men!

If a woman came on CL and said that she lays down with men who are not her husband, what would be the difference between me calling her promiscuous or a hoe or a fornicator or a sinner?

So, don’t bite your tongue like Tim Hardaway after all the good points you made! This topic is about gay issues, not about your and my sinful thoughts and ways! You and I didn’t come on here asking for acceptance! I pray that we repent from our mess!

But hey, I don’t even know what you struggle with cause you haven’t confessed anything on CL! Maybe the gays should confess to God rather coming on CL trying to defend something they know is wrong!

Even the woman caught in adultry kept her mouth shut! They were prepared to cast stones and kill that woman! She wasn’t asking people to cope with her freakiness! God’s word is meant to kill the behavior, not the sinner! He told her to go, but the sin should stop!

I’m no better than the worst person on this planet, but gays need to go and sin no more!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! You are a mess.

253. Bee Bee, You are correct! I also explained to Neho that was Old Testament teaching! But, he’s just repeating something he heard on TV and he has limited understanding about what he said! Gays want to get into a argument about “litteral” versus “symbolic” Bible instructions! Then they can discredit the instructions that pertain to them!

@ 51. Saddamnyouall - Obviously, you are not aware that people have been lynched, burned, and made into lampshades because of the sexual orientation. Your sexual orientation knows no race.

For those of you that are taking the Bible at “face value” and being the reasoning behind your reasoning for why homosexuality is wrong - do you also prescribe to the “black makr” that was used to say that Blacks were inferior to Whites? You can’t use parts that suit you and ignore the rest. If we are all made in God’s or Goddesses’ image - then there must be room for all.

I have a question about gay ppl though. Why is there always one “manly” one with a “feminine” one? Why you rarely see two “lipstick lesbians” together or two “studs” together. Or two sissy men together and two thuggish men together? Seems like they know it should be a man and woman and they duplicate it in their own way. I’m not passing judgment on anyone. I just always noticed that.

Stop quoting the Bible regarding homosexuality (or, for most things for that matter).

Most of you do not know why you believe what you have been taught to believe, or who originally told you to believe it.

Anyone who knows anything about King James I of England (the guy who put the Bible together — “King James Version”) was a known HOMOSEXUAL. He put shit in the Bible and twisted and interpreted things to quash his own fears and guilt and other political aims.

Even wikipedia has this info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_England (under ‘Personal Relationships’): …”The love the King showed men was…conveyed as if he…thought them ladies…resemble in the effeminateness of their dressings…whorish looks and wanton gestures they exceeded any part of womankind…kissing them after so lascivious a mode in public.”

“Responding to deflect the growing criticism over his sexuality James adopted a severe stance towards sodomy using English law. His book on kingship…lists sodomy among those “horrible crimes which ye are bound in conscience never to forgive.”

The question of homosexuality is a social one, not religious / spiritual one. Keep the debate there.

As I have humbly suggested to many of my poor, ignorant bros and sis on this site, start READING! World history, religious history, or political science before you open your mouths on moral or social issues.

1. Stop quoting the Bible regarding homosexuality (or, for most things for that matter).

2. Most of you do not know why you believe what you have been taught to believe, or who originally told you to believe it.

3. Anyone who knows anything about King James I of England (the guy who put the Bible together — “King James Version”) was a known HOMOSEXUAL. He put shit in the Bible and twisted and interpreted things to quash his own fears and guilt and other political aims.

4. Even wikipedia has this info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_England (under ‘Personal Relationships’): …”The love the King showed men was…conveyed as if he…thought them ladies…resemble in the effeminateness of their dressings…whorish looks and wanton gestures they exceeded any part of womankind…kissing them after so lascivious a mode in public.”

“Responding to deflect the growing criticism over his sexuality James adopted a severe stance towards sodomy using English law. His book on kingship…lists sodomy among those “horrible crimes which ye are bound in conscience never to forgive.”

5. The question of homosexuality is a social one, not religious / spiritual one. Keep the debate there.

6. As I have humbly suggested to many of my poor, ignorant bros and sis on this site, start READING! World history, religious history, or political science before you open your mouths on moral or social issues.

254. Shani2sweet, Allow me to respond to your comments: Why would Dukeman want to walk in gay shoes to prove a point to you? That’s like asking Christ to yield to temptation, so He could feel the joy of sin!

And you asked, “Why would anyone choose to be further marginalized?” Cause the devil is a lie! That’s why!!! Why would Whitney walk from the red carpet to the crackhouse? Why did O.J. run from the limelight to a life of murder and shame?

We all wake up one morning and say, “WTF have I gotten myself into?” Women and men wake up in strange beds and when they sober up they pray to God that they’re not infected with HIV! Driving to the clinic, they say, God if you just let the results be negative, I’ll never get drunk again! And, some never make the same mistake again! But, others are weak…like the homosexual, and they keep going back and praying for the results! God is not a mock! The people parish for lack of knowledge!

So, I ask you why would anyone choose to be futher marginalized? “Iganant!!!” They can design an outfit or style hair or layout a 5 star Myspace page, but they refuse to listen to God’s word!

Gays should be immulating and thanking Dukesmann rather than trying to offend him! He and Judah are actually trying to help them! But, when some fish take the bait…they take hook, line and sinker!

Now, you’re asking Dukesmann to walk in they’re shoes??? No way!

262. windwalker1313,

I see a lot of double talk from you! hehe! God’s word is infalable…and yes it was written by imperfect men, but God was the Editor! You would be the biggest fool on this site and planet if you think that King James could out wit God to preserve his own “sexy” like P. Diddy did with Propicia!

The King James version had to match the original manuscripts! There is a vein of righteous in the word that man can’t manipulate! Blasphemey to the one who attribute to the spirit that which is of the devil! Be careful! You’re getting real crafty with your stans!

I suggest you stop calling yourself humble and ask for forgiveness! Its not humble to boast about all the world history, religious history, or political science that you’ve read! hehe! Busted! And, the next time you go to wikipedia, type in the search for, “be weary of many books”! You’ll be better equip on judgement day to understand your plight!

Someone forgot to tell King James that homosexuality was a social issue, because the Bible is clear on God’s stans!

Meatoaf:

“253. Bee Bee, You are correct! I also explained to Neho that was Old Testament teaching! But, he’s just repeating something he heard on TV and he has limited understanding about what he said! Gays want to get into a argument about “litteral” versus “symbolic” Bible instructions! Then they can discredit the instructions that pertain to them!”

I’ve done my best to ignore your foolishness in here, but I have to speak up on this. That passage he talks about is from the New Testament (I Corinthians) you damn dumbass. Go sit down somewhere, you haven’t contributed anything meaningful to this discussion. You type just to enjoy the click-clack of the keyboard.

Just Curious:
“I have a question about gay ppl though. Why is there always one “manly” one with a “feminine” one? Why you rarely see two “lipstick lesbians” together or two “studs” together. Or two sissy men together and two thuggish men together? Seems like they know it should be a man and woman and they duplicate it in their own way. I’m not passing judgment on anyone. I just always noticed that.”

I don’t know where you noticed that, because I’ve never really seen it. In most cases, actually, it’s usually like goes with like. You see more studly guys going for the other studly guys because they’re attracted to MEN, not sissies. And it’s usually sissies that go for the studly guys because they themselves are attracted to men and feel, in most cases incorrectly, that the more feminine they act the more attracted to them guys will be (it’s the societies concept of the “perfectly balnced heterosexual relationship” and some gays fall for it. The woman has to be dainty and meek for a man to want them, and some guys adopt those traits unconciously to attract men. There’s an interesting paper about the whole thing. Though, sometimes there are femme acting guys because, well, that’s just who they are). And that’s actually true for some guys, but it is FAR from being the majority.

You know what I recently had a conversation about this with one of my friends. I dont understand why people take such a strong stance on the subject of homosexuality. People say they dont like gay people or “hate” gay people but what is the reason behind it. YOU CANT CATCH IT!!!!! LOL. Some people say they would stop being friends with people if they found out that they were gay but I cant understand that at all. Thats like saying we can only be friends if you have sex with or just like a certain type of person and then we wonder why there are so many people on the DL. What really gets me is when people pull the GOD card using GOD to justify why they dont like it, saying GOD said it is wrong but those same people that use GOD as their excuse are breaking the other 9 comandments LOL!!!! Lets get real and start Loving each other. Nobody likes a hater!!!

249. Jqueen, I just read what you wrote! Right on!

I wish I had your eloquence! hehe!

#264, Please, bro.

1. “Lord was the Editor”? You must be kidding.

2. “KJV had to match the original manuscript”? Says who — he was the KING?

3. “Blasphemy to the spirit of the devil”? Omg.

4. I “ask for forgiveness”? From whom and for what? Using reason, logic, the human mind (what God gave me to navigate the waters of life on this planet). That is a dumb suggestion.

5. Yes, “be weary of many books.” Try the one you keep using to shape your ignorant and baseless political views.

6. People can be Christian, Muslim, Jew, or whatever. But, read about your beliefs BEFORE you believe them.

7. Your ignorance can kill you. But more importantly, as in the case of many oppressed and abused people throughout world history, YOUR ignorance may get SOMEONE ELSE killed or hurt.

8. Btw…the history, words, and actions of King James I are all over the place — not just on wikipedia. I just tried to save you the time of running to the library.

“Instead of tearing at each other’s beliefs, when are we going to let this discussion be open and give transparent dialogue about the topic? I’ve tried to listen to and understand the reasoning a gay/lesbian person gives for why they are the way they are, but it all comes back to a decision:

God and His way of doing things vs. YOU doing what YOU want to do without respect for the consequences down the line. There’s no gray area. This applies to ALL of us, not just one group of people. ”

But there’s the difference. You, being a heterosexual, can live your life according to God’s will and be perfectly happy. You can live, love, and marry and still be A-Ok with God, because what God wants for you doesn’t go against your basic human nature on fundamental levels.

When people ask homosexuals to make that decision, they’re asking them to deny a fundamental aspect of who they are. Homosexuality isn’t either/or. For most it isn’t just “ok, since I can’t be with men I’ll just go and get a wife”. Some do that, but it never mentally works that way, which is why the DL is such a huge issue now. Asking homosexuals to shuck their desires is basically asking them to deny a core of their being: their right to love who they want and be with who they want.

That’s not a decision anyone else has to make.

Okay, so I took someone’s advice from yesterday and when I woke up this morning I “chose” to no longer be gay and am now totally and completely STRAIGHT. *crickets chirping*

#265 pittyboi,

You do your best to ignore me, because my words cut like a knife! hehe! Head covering for women began in the Old Testament as a part of the Mosaic Laws! In the New Testament, Christ became the fulfillment of that law! You should concentrate more on getting understanding rather than trying to find a chink in my armour! Will someone please explain Old Testament teaching to pityful?

I’m giving you and BeeBee clerification and all you want to do is prove me wrong…on something…anything! Why is that? Oh, I know…I’ve proven you wrong on so many other occasions! Now, I suggest you start back to praying and stop defending your lies! Keep reading though…the homocoalitions is awefully quiet today?

BTW, why so much pain and suffering in your tone? I know its a bitter pill, but you don’t have to take it alone! Jesus is waiting to get involved and straighten out your life…style! Trust in Him because, as you can see, all the rest of your coalition has abondoned you! hehe! God won’t leave you!

OMT - You know my true test of meaningful contribution to this or any discussion is when others mirror my thoughts and when you start squeeling. That means I’m getting through! Now, just wait until the Lord decides to breathe on you!

“You do your best to ignore me, because my words cut like a knife! hehe! Head covering for women began in the Old Testament as a part of the Mosaic Laws! In the New Testament, Christ became the fulfillment of that law! You should concentrate more on getting understanding rather than trying to find a chink in my armour! Will someone please explain Old Testament teaching to pityful?”

Yeah, because YOU obviously can’t. So shut up, you’re only revealing your own ignorance. That passage is from the New Testament taught by a follower of Christ, so how exactly is it Old Testament teaching? Wait? Why am i asking you? Of Course you won’t know.

“I’m giving you and BeeBee clerification and all you want to do is prove me wrong…on something…anything! Why is that? Oh, I know…I’ve proven you wrong on so many other occasions! Now, I suggest you start back to praying and stop defending your lies! Keep reading though…the homocoalitions is awefully quiet today?”

I see a flaw in your logic. You’re not providing clarification if you’re being proved wrong, unless of course lies are clarification in your book. Your stupidity is baffling, Meatloaf, and you’ve never proven me wrong on anything. You’re a jester, hopping around claiming victories that were never yours, and everyone sees it.

“BTW, why so much pain and suffering in your tone? ”

My tone? Can you hear me now, Meatload?

“but you don’t have to take it alone! Jesus is waiting to get involved and straighten out your life…style! Trust in Him because, as you can see, all the rest of your coalition has abondoned you! hehe! God won’t leave you!”

Let God do his supposed work. You go back to hitting on simple underage girls (or boys) on the net. Save the preaching for a discussion where it’s appropriate and to people who have a much better command of the word than you do.

268. windwalker1313, you’re just being silly now! King James did not pull a fast one over on God and you know that! Don’t play with the spirit! The Bible is a Holy book and those who say its not are setting themselves up for more than just your minor repercutions! That’s big time blastphemey! God is Holy!

Pittyboy said: “since I can’t be with men I’ll just go and get a wife”. No one is asking you to do that! You act like sex with another is the core of your being! hehe! You better ask somebody! Your homosexuality has become more important to you than your soul! That’s what happens to crackheads! The crack becomes more important than life, family and God! You’d better get help! Christ’s died for our sins, not our right to continue with immorality! There is a standard of righteous! God is Holy!

WTF???? You’re getting a little desperate, pittyboi! Don’t forget, you’re the one who’s on the defense, not me! I’m on the offense! I don’t share in with you’re public display of immorality! I’m a man who only wants a woman! hehe!

Now, I guess its my duty to say goodbye and have a happy Holiday weekend! So, you won’t keep making up bogus accusations expecting a response from me! I’m leaving now for the All-Star weekend!

Pray and avoid other gay men!

#273, Poor Meatloaf, either you are trying to be funny, foolish, and coy.

….OR, you really are ignorant (nothing personal, you are what you are). You have not taken the time to study and challenge the core tenets of your religion, nor the reasons for your personal beliefs.

As such, your are easily misled. Fine by me! Foolish people make the lives of ‘aware and engaged’ people that much easier.

I am bored toying with you.

You are your own worst enemy. God luck out there!

Bye

#273, Poor Meatloaf, either you are trying to be funny, foolish, and coy.

….OR, you really are ignorant (nothing personal, you are what you are). You have not taken the time to study and challenge the core tenets of your religion, nor the reasons for your personal beliefs.

As such, your are easily misled. Fine by me! Foolish people make the lives of ‘aware and engaged’ people that much easier.

I am bored toying with you.

You are your own worst enemy. Good luck out there!

Bye

@ 217

You tell me to “shut up”. That doesn’t sound very “open-minded”. That doesn’t sound very “democratic”. You’re like a homosexual Nazi or something, lol. I love when I can get a demon like you riled up, which is becoming more consistent amongst you homos and lesbos, lol. You’re starting to go into an emotional rant brother and that’s not a good look for an “intellectual homosexual”. You’re always welcome to edify me if you can, lol. How’s that research on Septimius Severus going after I taught you about him? You and I both know that I can speak on a myriad of topics so please don’t waste your time trying to belittle me because you’re frustrated. We can debate worldly topics all day but it’s fruitless and it’s all so you can exalt yourself and have people tell you how smart you are. Why would I ask you for your opinion when the Most High has already given me the facts, I mean please. “The Bible is not enough…” Wow, you’re very bold and that statement encapsulates you in a nutshell. Typical vain homo. You’re very angry, lol. I might start charging you with copyright infringement if you keep copy and pasting my posts.

You hate when I bring up the scriptures because YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND them and it offends you. The Lord has blocked your understanding because you’re a homosexual(Isa 44:18). You’re smart enough to never try to go into the scriptures because you know I’ll rip your madness to shreds. You really think your opinion or another man or woman’s opinion matters huh? This shit is fun to me man. The prophecies read like ancient Greek to you so everything I say is a “conspiracy”, lmao. I feel sorry for you. No I don’t actually, lol. It starts and ends with the Lord’s Word (Isa 48:12), which like I’ve said, you cannot comprehend, and that bothers you, because you want to be on par with the Most High. So don’t ever think that you can insult me by saying that I relate everything to the Bible because everything exists in juxtaposition to the Lord’s Word. The scripture tells you that (II Tim 3:15-17).

Memo to the homosexuals: Everytime an issue on homosexuality comes up it will always become a biblical discussion, whether Tim Hardaway is a devout Christian or an atheist. The reason why the homosexuals hate when the Lord’s Word becomes a factor is because it adds legitimacy to the argument against that lifestyle. That’s why you see these homos foolishly trying to disprove the scriptures, lol. Did he “threaten a cops life” or did he allegedly threaten a cop’s life? No difference right, just throw the nigger in jail with the other straight black men you hate so they can come out as homos and love you right?

@225

The only solution for their problem is the return of Christ and their ultimate judgement. It’s not about anger or violence, it is what it is. This land that people love so much is the daughter of Babylon. A man or woman that is trying to serve the Most High would be a fool to think that something righteous can come from this land (Rev 18:2,3).

@226

You a clown, lol. There has always been slavery on planet earth and there will always be slavery (Psa 149:6-9, Isa 14:1-4, Rev 13:9,10, etc.) There would be no America (the country that allows you to frolic) without the enslavement of the “blacks” which was predicted in the scriptures (Deut 28:68). There are more slaves worldwide now than at any time in history. Like a normal homo(if you’re a homo), you either misquoted every scripture or took it completely out of context. The scripture says to sell your daughter as a “servant”. The Israelites had rules on how to treat their servants and their slaves. They weren’t chattel. It was usually done to pay off debts which is more just than throwing someone in prison for debt. After the debt was paid off you would get your child back. Every seven years the Hebrews would free their Hebrew servants regardless of whether the debts were paid or not (Deut 15:1-17, Jer 34:8,9). The white man takes your child for disciplining them and doesn’t give them back most of the damn time. The Israeiltites only enslaved the other nations not their own people(Lev 25:44-46, I Chron 22:2,3, etc.) Where’s Corinthians 19:24? Lol. That must be in Satan’s Bible. Who in their right mind would sleep with a woman on her menstrual cycle, lol (Lev 15:19-25) There’s a difference between the authors of the Bible (Psa 68:11, Jer 30:2, I Pet 1:21, etc.) and the translators. Obviously the Bible had to be translated in different languages because the Lord said that he would scatter Israel and they would speak the languages of their captors (Isa 28:11, Deut 32:26,27).

Cor 11:14 is not an indictment of Christ because Christ had an afro or he wore his hair in cornrows like the Israelites did during that time. It was talking about men who let their cornrows get too long and they considered that feminine. Sometimes the men and women would straighten their hair with what was known as a “crisping pin”(Isa 3:22) which was a hotcomb. That’s why Paul came back in I Tim 2:9 and spoke against “broided hair” which is hair weave. Black women were doing that from back then. You’re damn right the Lord killed the firstborn of the Egyptians. The Lord is the one who kills (Deut 32:39, I Sam 2:6, Isa 45:7, Psa 68:20, etc.). Get over it.

As far as where homosexuality gets condemned, try throughout the Bible. (Gen 19:1-28., Lev 18:22, 20:13, Deut 23:17, I Kings 15:11,12, 22:45,46, Rom 1:24-27, 32, Jude 1:7, etc.). The scripture speaks against a man even being “effeminate” much less a homosexual (I Cor 6:9). I’m telling you, you brothers and sisters better arm yourself with this Word because it’s no joke how these people are trying to force their ways on others. The Homo Gestapo.

@261 Windtalker

Brother, I think you’re the one that needs to do better research. The lie that King James was a homosexual was one, in a series of concerted attempts and plots by the Catholic Church to defame his good name. The lie was started by Anthony Weldon because King James kicked him out of his court. Get your shit straight brother(no pun intended)

“. You’re always welcome to edify me if you can, lol. How’s that research on Septimius Severus going after I taught you about him? You and I both know that I can speak on a myriad of topics so please don’t waste your time trying to belittle me because you’re frustrated. We can debate worldly topics all day but it’s fruitless and it’s all so you can exalt yourself and have people tell you how smart you are. Why would I ask you for your opinion when the Most High has already given me the facts, I mean please. “The Bible is not enough…” Wow, you’re very bold and that statement encapsulates you in a nutshell. Typical vain homo. You’re very angry, lol. I might start charging you with copyright infringement if you keep copy and pasting my posts.”

LOL–and it’s not a good look that you’re starting to sound just like meatoaf. Was that boasting I detected in your posts? Oh, I think it was.

You haven’t taught me a damn thing. I could have debated you on Septimius Severus my freshman year of high school, so get that shit out of here. I think that was the same discussion where you posted an eroded statue and tried to claim they were trying to chip the blackness of its face when the same erosion was apparent on every part of the statue in no particular pattern, including it’s clothing. AND the very same discussion where you posted a screen shot from a movie in order to prove your “intelligent” point. Judah, you know your way around the English language and the bible. But in an intellectual and secular (oh, there’s that evil word), you have proven time and time again that you don’t have a leg to stand on. You’ve proven your ignorance in science as well as politics, and of course you can cover it up with your typical “I rely on the Word and that’s all I need” excuse but the truth of the matter is, that excuse only holds sway with people foolish enough to be pulled in by it; it definitely has no sway on people with knowledge of the word AND world, and especially those who don’t believe in the “word” to begin with.

You’re a small bag of tricks Judah, and with every discussion that fact become apparent.

So, as I said, I’m done with you until you can debate to social aspects of this discussion, because that’s all I’m concerning myself with (and it sure as hell isn’t due to any fear of you). Judah, you couldn’t ruffle my feathers on a good day.

Oh, and…

“Did he “threaten a cops life” or did he allegedly threaten a cop’s life? ”

Why don’t you look it up? Maybe you’re good at that much…

Cosign #178, #213, #219, #220/221, #226, #236/237, #254

#217 - Tell ‘em dawg.

#218 - The very idea of putting “God” and “hate” in the same sentence is just ridiculous. Hate is a human quality that God doesn’t even know exists. “Sin” is a fabrication of institutionlized religion to control the weak minded masses and take money from fools who believe they need to be forgiven. There is no such thing as sin people. This is what “go and sin no more” means. The only way a human could possibly “sin no more” would be if there is no such thing as sin. Think about it. Jesus’ message was of love, forgiveness and atonement. Atonement and forgiveness are tools to lead us to the truth of there not being any “sin.” The message is to LOVE one another beyond what we believe to be sin. Sin is a fabrication of the mind and the idea that we are separate from God. We are not and can never be separate from Him.

#226 - Preach ON! I’ve tried to school some of these blind fools on the Bible but their minds seem to be too vacant and tractable to even do their own research.

#239 - *sigh* You are in my prayers.

#241 - Yes, yes, YES! Thank you!

#243 - Although your post is somewhat contradictory and hypocritical, at least you seem to realize it! If God does indeed “hate” homos than why did he create them is like asking if God does indeed “hate” sinners than why are ANY of us here?

MEATLOAF you’re obviously without sin. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No really, aren’t you the Second Coming? I knew there was a perfect man walking on earth somewhere but who knew he could be found right here on CL!?!?!

#260 - I can’t agree with you more. For whatever reason hypocrites (i.e. MEATLOAF, JUDAH & DUKESMAN2000) like to use homosexuals and homosexuality as scapegoats to distract themselves from their own guilt for having “sinned.” Somehow their “sins” aren’t to be looked at or examined or talked about. They’d rather disparage homos to make themselves feel better about not being capable of being “sinless,” thus believing that they’re going to hell. It’s all just too ridiculous.

The truth is that if you really believe in the Bible you can’t help but be confused and afraid because the Bible is full of contradictions and vengeance, starting with Genesis. How is it that Adam and Eve populated the planet? That would automatically involve incest. Adam and Eve had kids. Okay, so where did everyone else come from? SOMEbody SOMEwhere had to have sex with their own brother/sister/mother/father for the rest of us to have gotten here here if the Bible is accurate.

#278, You are wrong. I will have no more discussion with you on the point.

#278, Meatloaf. You are wrong. I have read that bit of info as well.

That argument, itself was put forward by the later church to address many of the inconsistencies in King James’ life with many of the points in the Bible.

I will have no more discussion with you on the point. We will not agree on historical, political, or religious points. Nothing personal.

@Judah,
I will admit I happen to agree with you.
This country is definetely on a spiral going to hell. Why do people have to accept homosexuality? Why are people demonized when stating their own opinions. I mean gays shouldnt give a rats azz what Tim hardaway thinks its not like he is going to ban a bunch of straight guys and go lynching gays in the midnight hour. Trust me he spoke his mind on what alot of people seem to think. Although hate is a very strong word and yes he came across ignorant but that is how he feels. Brotha man shouldve kept it real and not retract his view.
I feel like this as long as he is not inflicting harm on gays or whatever he should have a right to his opinion and in case you havent noticed this is America where he has a right to say dumb shytt all day long.
Personally I dont have a problem with gays but I dont surround myself with the lifestyle either. I consider the act unnatural and we all know its an unnatural act that has been here since the dawn of man and it wont go anywhere either. People shouldnt get their panties in a bunch because they dont approve of what others are doing. Be concerned where you livelihood is threatened or family is threatened.

Okay I understand his dislike for gay people, but to HATE them is just rediculous. HOWEVER, I know if I was in the League and I had to share a locker room with a gay or lesbian person I would be very uncomfortable. People say thats ignorant because the fact that someone is gay doesnt automatically make them attracted to all males/females, BUT they still prefer the same sex, which ultimately is like having a Man in the dressing room with females undressing. Just becasue he’s a man doesnt make him attracted to ALL of the females in the locker room, however he still has to LOOK at them that way in order to know he’s not attracted to them. I would deffinately be bothered by it, but then again that $12 million dollar salary might make me get over it pretty damn quick!

CAN I JUST SAY THAT THOSE OF YOU THAT DON’T BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. “WHEN U SEE A MAN WITH ANOTHER MAN KISSING, DOES THIS FEEL NATURAL TO U?”

I HAVE ASKED MANY NON-BELIEVERS THIS QUESTION AND THEY ALL SAY NO. AND IT FEELS DISGUSTING TO THEM. PLEASE ANSWER HONESTLY!

KIND REGARDS.

Don’t tell me that I sound like that dude, please, lol. I better examine myself. I notice that alot of these so-called Christians still cannot relate the Old Testament to the New Testament and it shows. Women covering their heads is not in the Old Testament, ANYWHERE, so please stop with that misinformed bullshit. When Paul told women to cover their heads, he meant it literally. The women had stopped dressing humbly and started acting whorish because of influence from the Roman Empire (sound familiar). It wasn’t about Christ being no damn covering, that’s a lie and it’s blasphemy and I challenge anyone to prove that with scripture. People say that because they want to act righteous and still walk around with low-rider jeans and no draws on, lol. You can’t pick and choose which laws to keep and which to not keep. That’s why these gainsayers say, “well what about this law or that law…” and they’re right. If Christ is the “fulfillment” of the law as some Christians interpret it, then stop telling the homos that they can’t be homos. Christ called himself the fulfillment because he was the fulfillment of the prophecies of a savior for Israel.

Brother why you always talkin’ about how you’re not scared of me, lol. I’d hope you wouldn’t be scared of another man. I don’t know where you’re from, but where I’m from people that always say they’re not scared are usually the most scared. You have plenty of fear. You fear that this Word is precise and on point and all that contrived intelligentsia you’ve accumulated will amount to nothing. You’re scared to admit that you’re an atheist because you plan to sit on that fence that separates God’s Word and man’s word, which is the last trump card you think you have and you want to be able to fall on the side of whoever wins the confrontation. Damn frontrunner, lol. It bothers you that a negro like me, that is supposed to be ignorant and angry, can intellectualize my hate. You wish I was like these black men out here that can’t understand the spirit that the Most High has on them and go out to destroy my own community. I asked you to edify me and you couldn’t, lol. Instead you call God’s Word irrelevant. You’re like a bad teacher that blames the students when your lessons don’t hold up. Your science doesn’t hold up, it’s theoretical. Your history doesn’t hold up, it’s fabricated. I’m a “big bag of tricks” but when asked what you’re ultimate plan is, you intellectuals always bitch up. You could never teach me because you could never handle my questions. I’m ignorant on politics right; so give me a list of politicians that have helped black people and taught them the truth. Educate me. An intellectual conversation to you is one that allows you to share “opinions” and convince yourself that it matters when it doesn’t. You can’t serve the Most High because you’re not humble enough to obey him and his Word.

Brother look, I’ll leave the Septimius Severus shit alone but you and I both know that if you did hear of him, you damn sure didn’t know that he was black, which the white man has admitted (for whatever reason). There are many other Roman emperors that were black but the white man won’t admit those. I could debate you on the Romans right now and leave you where I found you but the white man’s version of history bores me as much as it excites you. It’s so transparently skewed. Everything is Greece, Rome, and the Nazis on the History Channel. I know, it’s not the white man that lies on the history, it’s negroes like me right? Why would they still, to this day, make biblical movies and show the Egyptians and Israelites as caucasian when they were, and still are, negroes. Edify me on that please. Please provide the link for the Tim Hardaway speeding story. Could not find it, thanks.

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What a perfect name for a damn idiot. You said that hate is something God doesn’t know exists. What the fuck is your stupid ass talkin’ about. The Most High created everything and knows everything. If he didn’t know hate, he wouldn’t be the Most High. Unless you’re talking about the God of your mind (Satan).
The scripture tells you what sin is if you read it (I John 3:4).

I feel embarassed even responding to you because your stupidity is so stupendous and your knowledge so infinitesimal that it’s like speaking to an infant. Your what the scriptures call a vain jangler (ITim 1:6,7). You have no idea what the Hell you’re talking about and you should really stop before the Lord addresses you. Let’s cut to the damn chase though; you a homo? If so, do you. There aren’t any contradictions in the Bible, just unlearned or idiotic readers and interpreters.

I never said that I was sinless. It’s a sin to say some shit like that (Job 9:20, Prov 20:9, I John 1:10, etc.). I’m humble enough to except when I’m at fault in the eyes of the Most High. I don’t have to sit here and concoct some bullshit about how there’s no such thing as sin like a coward.

The only valid part of your post was when you asked those questions which are good questions. Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman. Gen 1:26,27 tells you that the Lord created mankind in multiplicity. Later on her chose Adam and then Eve because Adam was anointed to iniate that holy bloodline or seedline (Matt 1:1-16). That’s why the Most High brought him into Eden which is the land between the Nile and the Euphrates to “till the ground” (Gen 2:5-8), not no damn Ethiopia like they claim Eden was at. The proof that there is no way that they could’ve been the “first two people” is who the hell was Cain afraid was gonna find him and kill him (Gen 4:14,15) and who the hell is his wife (Gen 4:17). Stop being a prophet of Satan and spreading your nonsense and confusion. By your own admission you’re confused so shut the hell up and allow yourself to be taught.

“Brother why you always talkin’ about how you’re not scared of me, lol. I’d hope you wouldn’t be scared of another man. I don’t know where you’re from, but where I’m from people that always say they’re not scared are usually the most scared. You have plenty of fear. You fear that this Word is precise and on point and all that contrived intelligentsia you’ve accumulated will amount to nothing. You’re scared to admit that you’re an atheist because you plan to sit on that fence that separates God’s Word and man’s word, which is the last trump card you think you have and you want to be able to fall on the side of whoever wins the confrontation. Damn frontrunner, lol. ”

Everything I just quoted is pointless and has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. You’re going to have to do better than filler, Judah.

And for your curiosity: for the final time no I’m not an atheist. By your definition an atheist is anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your specific brand of Christianity and has to gall to argue you about it. That’s all I’m going to say on it because, again, my spirituality isn’t what’s on trial here. I have my opinions, and where they come from is of no consequence to you, so stop asking.

“It bothers you that a negro like me, that is supposed to be ignorant and angry, can intellectualize my hate. You wish I was like these black men out here that can’t understand the spirit that the Most High has on them and go out to destroy my own community. ”

There you go again with more of that boasting, as if you’re the only intelligent black man I’ve ever come across. Nigga please. Get off of whatever high horse you’re riding, this is a simple discussion worth only in its weight in entertainment, as they all have been. At no point have you ever challenged my core beliefs in what I know (and I’m pretty sure you could say the same about me), or my perception of other people. The simple fact of the matter is black men like you are a dime a dozen. You aren’t the first I’ve encountered and you won’t be the last. Work out what you’re “supposed to be” with yourself. It seems like you enter into any discussion with the idea that you’re some sort of unique entity, always bolstering your arguments and assessments of others with “bet you didn’t think I could do this”…whew, that’s an ego if I’ve ever seen one.

“I asked you to edify me and you couldn’t, lol.”

I didn’t try to. lol
You’re too busy trying to goad me into a debate in your comfort zone, you still have touched on the social aspect of this topic other than your usual conjecture and “I don’t need anything other than the bible” cop-outs.

“Your science doesn’t hold up, it’s theoretical. Your history doesn’t hold up, it’s fabricated.”

And in the case of this discussion, your religion doesn’t hold up, because it’s face based. You’re in the same boat man, arguing something that, at the end of the day, comes from a book that’s just as heavily debated as anything else. You’re no more in the know than the philosophers you like to trash.

“I’m ignorant on politics right; so give me a list of politicians that have helped black people and taught them the truth. Educate me.”

Again, with your irrelevance. What does politicians helping black people have to do with Tim Hardaway being an idiot? Just more clamoring for something to say. Judah, you’re just one big tangent. I would like to to debate you on the social aspect of Tim’s actions. That is, after all, the point. If you don’t want to, fine. But just admit it instead of turning Tim Hardways actions into some stretched example of the White Man oppressing us black folks.

“Brother look, I’ll leave the Septimius Severus shit alone but you and I both know that if you did hear of him, you damn sure didn’t know that he was black, which the white man has admitted (for whatever reason). There are many other Roman emperors that were black but the white man won’t admit those.”

Wrong again (as usual, these days). Maybe I should credit it to the fact that I attended a pretty liberal school in Los Angeles, but you’ve revealed no big secrets to me. You’re so intent on the idea of “opening my eyes” that you haven’t noticed that my eyes are already open and that I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH YOU. Try again. Care to assume any other aspects of my life? What kind of diapers I wore a baby? My favorite color? Subject? You seem to know everything else about me.

i agree wit tim too. i wouldnt wanna be in a lockeroom wit a fag. i dont wanna look over my shoulder and think this dude lookin at my ass or sumtin so all you bitches get off dis man back cuz i feel dat boy on that. the dude likes dick and why would i wanna be in a lockeroom wit a dude who might possibly look at my dick.cmon now i feel ya tim. i bet he was going home tellin his gay boody budy about all the dicks he seen in the locker room.lol

THIS IS TO TANA. YOUR NOT BORN GAY, YOU CHOOSE TO BE GAY, FOR EX: YOU DONT CHOOSE TO BE BLACK OR WHITE, YOUR BORN BLACK OR WHITE. YOU CHOOSE IF YOU LIKE DICK OR PUSSY. THATS SOMETHING YOU DECIDE AND IF A GAY PERSON SAYS THAT SHIT THEIR LYIN THEY GAY AZZ OFF.LMAO…

I lol’d when I heard this. He probably loves lesbians though and probably thinks that vaginal is “cleaner” than anal sex ..lol well get this…there is bacteria in vaginas lol and penises..

You know I hate these types of comparisons but being gay is like being black, it really is. Rewind forty or so years and you’d hear “I hate black people”. Like blacks, gays are minorites. The definitions may be different but the positions and circumstances they (gays/blacks) are pretty much the same. :/ just my stance.

I dont agree with the “gay” lifestyle either nor the lifestyle of having children by sixty different fathers who dont pay child support….typical behavior of black folk.

Also you should know that not every gay person is turned on by every man with shit stained underwear and his penis. Seriously..I treat people with respect I’m fine with everyone as long as my personal space is respected…that goes for everyone gay or st8. I should know I have gay friends.

Some of you on here need to grow up, because you’re showing your ignorance.

How can you compare homosexuality to stealing, killing, or raping?

You don’t choose your sexual orientation, but you can choose to hurt someone.

It’s funny in this day and age that we let serial killers and rapists go without any remorse, but a gay person we’re ready to shun.

It’s pathetic.

And Pittbboi, you told the truth!

lol stop chucking and jiving Amoney with your black ass..go sell drugs or have a baby or something..I mean, thats what black men are good for anyway…

There are for videos on Youtube of Tim Hardaway Naked in the locker room.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wH8wItdJb6g

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I know I’m late, lol. What I don’t understand is that you accuse me of “filler” and yet all I was doing was addressing your “points” (I use that term very lightly), lol. I never asked where you were from, nor do I care. I addressed the politicians and science because you accused me of being un(or mis)informed on both. Maybe you get as bored with your own tired shit as I do and forget what you post, lol. Something tells me that there are plenty of men that “open your eyes”, lol. Pretty damn wide. As far as diapers, something tells me that you still have to wear diapers right now due to those same men.

It’s no fun to debate with you anymore. You’ve taken a defensive posture in all of our recent verbal confrontations, as if you’re scared that if you try to throw a haymaker, you’ll miss and get knocked the hell out. You accuse me of filler and yet you go on a strange diatribe in a fruitless attempt to lower my confidence, lol (Heb 10:35). That’s what people are really mad about; that Tim Hardaway, this NIGGER, had the nerve to say what he said. Like I’ve said before, people have an extreme issue with heterosexual black men with confidence. It seems to be a combination of, “who does this nigger think he is” with, “we’ve got to stop this nigger before he gets other black men to believe that they’re more than what we tell them they are..”. I see it mostly from many black women, gay black men, and of course, the caucasians. Extreme fright.

“Nigga please”…lol, don’t try to get hood now. Weren’t you one of those simple negroes I saw on that “Paul Mooney” post campaigning to “ban the ‘N’ Word”, lmao. So much for that huh. You’re so uncomfortable with yourself that you try to switch from “hood” to “scholar” to “sassy homo, cool with the black chics”, lol. Gotta exorcise them demons negro.

What is with all this social aspect bullshit. Why would I deal in social aspects when this is Satan’s world, lol. I’m not trying to repair this shit. When are you gonna get it through them dreads, your and my opinions don’t matter. Allegedly, Americans want the war to stop but it has continued and not only that, it has escalated. This is why democracy is the perfect system to keep oppressed people oppressed. It makes them think that they have a chance to change things from within the system when they don’t. It gives (spiritually) poor people a false sense of hope. You black intellectuals (i.e. you, this cat Windwalker, and a couple of other people), ya’ll kill em with that social implications stuff. Like the white man gives a damn about ya’ll’s opinion or will alter his game plan if negroes disagree with him. There is no way to justify hate for homosexuality, or any wickedness whatsoever really, without being rooted in the Lord’s Word. That’s why when you encounter people that detest your lifestyle on general principles you try to wear them down through peer pressure and your own skewed sense of logic, philosophy, and reality. The Bible adds validity, legitimacy, and most importantly a reference point for morality. The Bible is the proverbial “RAID” for you pseudo-negro-intellectual-homosexual roaches, and that’s why you scatter like the vermin that you are when the scriptures get sprayed on your asses, lol. If the last thing between you “intellectual” black people and eternal happiness is the burden of the Bible, then systematically disprove it. If my “religion doesn’t hold up because it’s face-based” then show me in the scriptures where the Bible contradicts itself. You can’t do it. You won’t even try to do it with a negro like me. To show you how wicked ya’ll are though, you all will challenge cats that you think you can beat (i.e.RumpRoast, Dukesman, etc.) but when asked to disprove the Bible to someone who KNOWS it, you can’t do it. II Tim 2:15,16

Wow, you must have worked really hard on that, Judah.

It’s no fun to debate with you because ANY debate with you will always end up being about the same thing. The white man and “look at how many scriptures I can inaccurately reference to make it look like I actually have something to say.” The proof was with your entire post (including the fact that the majority of your first paragraph was mainly quips on my sexuality). I corrected Meatloaf and Dukesman on scripture because they were making basic errors (and in Meatloaf’s case bragging about it like he actually knew something–in his typical annoying fashion). I refuse to allow a debate with you degenerate into a discussion of scripture because it’ll always lead to us writing essays on the same damn irrelevant-to-the-topic-at-hand subject, nobody getting anywhere. I just don’t have the time for it, and I honestly don’t know how you do. You know where I stand on scripture: I know where you stand. Until such a time one of us has some major spiritual breakthrough I just don’t see the point. But trust, it’s not out of fear of anything you have to say: or did you forget about that Patti Labelle topic? I can go post for post, link for link, and we just won’t get anywhere. You, however, have proven that you’re not comfortable with any other form of debate (”did he ‘allegedly’ threaten a cop’s life”–lol, childish and ignorant to the fact that he’s still an idiot who got off either way). Seriously, we could have a discussion about Bozo The Clown and you’d find a way to get into a biblical discussion about how white men were created by God to oppress the righteous black race. Bloody hell, you’re tiring.

Oh, and you still haven’t proven that you know anything about politics and science relative to this discussion. You sure are adept at beating around the bush, though.

““Nigga please”…lol, don’t try to get hood now.”

And if you can’t tell when someone’s so obviously mocking you, you’re not as smart as I thought. Maybe the reason you’re such a flat person is because you don’t believe that someone can have multiple facets to their personality (your own seems to be missing that one, vital component). Me going from “sassy” to “scholar” has nothing to do with being uncomfortable with myself, and quite frankly it takes an idiot like meatload to come to such a conclusion. But I know you’re smarter than that. Hmm, let me flip the script on you: YOU can’t understand how a “sassy”, “cool with the black chicks” faggot actually has the gall to debate with you. Go ahead, wait with “baited breath” for more of my opinions that don’t matter.

Tim Hardaway being a “nigger” has nothing to do with his comments. Tim Hardaway made those comments on his own, like the idiot he was. What does the white man have to do with that? There hasn’t, in recent times, been a white man (or ANY man) with a brain cell count low enough to make those kinds of comments so publicly, and whenever one did he was just as quickly strung up (prove otherwise). So this isn’t even a case of Tim Hardaway being unfairly treated. This isn’t white supremacy; this isn’t white conspiracy; this is Tim Hardaway just happening to be three things: dumb, homophobic, and black. Black people are capable of being idiots, Judah, or do you just refuse to see that? Not every action made by a black person in the media is perfectly planned out, confident, intelligent and rational. Don’t credit Tim Hardaway with any ounce of intelligence, because he’s proved on several occasions that, outside of the court, he’s as dumb as a cracked brick.

Legally, he had the right to make those comments. But don’t for a second try to rationalize what he said or claim that there was any ounce of intelligence, “black values” or spiritual conviction is his words. You may be able to intellectualize your hate but he sure as hell couldn’t. And whether or not the scale is tipped against him because of his race (which it’s not), isn’t relevant because it doesn’t change the fact that what he said was STILL unwarranted, unsubstantiated hate speech presented with about as much eloquence as a caveman. And legally, companies are allowed to remove their endorsements. Simple as that. It’s the way the world works.

And where was his “confidence” at when he “apologized”? You don’t have a point outside of the same pseudo-intellectual, “white men hate us and here’s a bible verse to prove it” crap. Just admit it and move on with your life.

(That, Judah, is how you properly debate a topic while staying ON topic. Quite impressive, ain’t it?)

“The Bible adds validity, legitimacy, and most importantly a reference point for morality.”

Not to those who:

a) Don’t believe in the Bible.
b) Those who don’t follow your interpretation of it (which is exactly what it is. YOUR interpretation, whether you like to admit that or not. Judah, you didn’t write it).
c) EVERY OTHER CULTURE whose points of morality aren’t based on Christian scripture. Judah, that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen you type.

You can’t deny science, because its laws are evident quite clearly in the world around us. Not so much with scripture (or ANY religion, for that matter). That’s you burden to bare when you enter into any debate with the word as your weapon. In some cases it just won’t hold up it’s relevance, no matter how hard you try to force it to. This topic is a perfect example.

SO IF SCIENCE IS YOUR BASIS THEN THAT AGAIN PROVES THAT NO ONE ISBORN GAY. THERE IS NO GAY GENE. IDIOT!

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“SO IF SCIENCE IS YOUR BASIS THEN THAT AGAIN PROVES THAT NO ONE ISBORN GAY. THERE IS NO GAY GENE. IDIOT!”

Wow, this post is dumb for so many reasons. Chanti, you should be ashamed of yourself. I’ll ignore the bevy of syntactical errors and go straight for your logic.

1)They haven’t *found* the gay gene. There is yet no evidence to conclude that one does not exist. There have been several studies, however, that show that a gay gene IS possible (family histories have largely contributed to this idea).

2)There have been recognized factors that COULD contribute to a person’s sexuality being predetermined in the womb that have very little to do with genetics.

3)If you read any of my previous posts you would notice I stated that it’s very possible sexuality is something that could be partially determined through the environmental conditions present at important developmental stages of a child, which is mostly infancy. Certain groups of scientists believe that it is a combination of environment and genetics, or some mysterious third party that has yet to be discovered–there are really a lot of theories based on more conclusive evidence than “THERE IS NO GAY GENE! IDIOT!” Wow, it must have taken you a while to come up with that.

Do us all a favor and go to school: garner for yourself a better intellectual understanding than the lack you so clearly presented in your various comments in this discussion. Maybe you’ll become a better asset for society and your own personal growth.

The again, SOMEBODY has to deliver the pizzas…

Be sure of this: If John Amaechi would have announced his homosexual lifestyle before he retired, he would have got the $#!T beat out of him…everynight! I see he was closeted long enough to get out before he cowardly announced his lifestyle! Another example of the “choices” made by gays! He waited until he was clear and then he went after the booksell, tell-all and money!

I strongly suggest that you gay men go back and study what has been written in this topic for you! Pay special attention to the things that Judah, JQUEEN and Dukesmann wrote! Don’t just read it…study it!!!

And, don’t try to overcome your situation on your own! You can’t do it alone! The sin of the flesh requires a High Power to be delivered! Pray with sincerity! Kneel down before God and tell Him that you are ready to stop! He knows your pain and He’s ready to deliver you! And, once you’re delivered, reach back and help someone else to break free!

Also, go back and read the story of Job! Remember, he had a hedge around him until God removed the hedge and permitted satin to put his hands on Job and inflict his flesh…short of taking his life! The flesh is the final battle ground! When a man sins against his own flesh, he denies the very temple that God dwells in! God can’t dwell in an unholy place! And, you’re in the final stage when God turns you over to the sin of the flesh!!! Sin of the flesh is worst than the sin of the heart or mind! Sin of the fleah include things like: suicide, adultry, murder and rape! Sin of the heart would be like: racism, unrighteousness and judgement! BTW - calling the gay lifestyle an act of sin is righteous judgement!

Bill Clinton and Kobe got caught in adultry and they repented! A gay man gets caught in adultry and he continues until he’s dead! Straight women ought to speak up! The gay lifestyle is an obession, not a birth right!

OMT - After you pray, turn it over to God and get deliverence, don’t forget to thank God! The word of thanks completes the process! You can also say thanks to the people who took time to write to you on CL, answering your questions and trying to guide you! I’m sure they expect nothing in return, but its nice to give thanks even if they are just the messengers!

“When people ask homosexuals to make that decision, they’re asking them to deny a fundamental aspect of who they are. Homosexuality isn’t either/or. For most it isn’t just “ok, since I can’t be with men I’ll just go and get a wife”. Some do that, but it never mentally works that way, which is why the DL is such a huge issue now. Asking homosexuals to shuck their desires is basically asking them to deny a core of their being: their right to love who they want and be with who they want.

That’s not a decision anyone else has to make. ”

Pittboi:

That’s where you are wrong. My basic human nature was that of a Sinner. I was born into sin through no fault of our own–just like you. My attitudes, actions, thought processes, and decision-making continued to be that of a sinner even as I was growing up and brought up in the church.

I still operated in what I was taught in society, by the media, by my parents, friends—UNTIL my eyes were opened when someone took the time to explain the LOVE of God for us, the battle for control of my soul, my spirit, and my body, how Satan uses the power of suggestion to create doubt and unbelief, as well as, confusion, rebellion, and all sorts of other feelings “to blind the minds of them that believe not”.

Once I decided to get born again, I began a journey that, to this day, challenges the core of the initial learned behaviors I gained while growing up. As human beings, you and I are no different–EXCEPT in who we are allowing to control our SPIRIT, which is the part not being acknowledged by you. If you listen closely, the core of the gay/lesbian argument always alludes to allowing your “feelings” to govern your life. THAT is where a lot of people miss it.

FLESH IS FLESH. It doesn’t care who’s rubbing it suggestively or sexually–it’s gonna feel something. But, after that, you have a decision to make. Are you going to yield to the flesh b/c you liked how it felt? Or are you going to yield to what you know to be the TRUTH–that weird feeling that rang warning bells? You didn’t get hit on? Okay, desires begin with a thought. You may not have been touched, but when you looked at a dude, you may have found him attractive and allowed your thought life to run unchecked and it eventually manifested itself physically, b/c you thought about it all the time–NOTHING JUST HAPPENS. Homosexual or Heterosexual: It’s the same process. Desire begins with a thought. When is anyone going to admit that there’s a big LUST problem in our country? Sex and perversion is served on a platter 24/7. A lot of it is designed to trap you in your mind. Satan gets a lot of people, especially the “intelligent” folks through their minds. I know, Pittboi, b/c when it came to building an argument. I used to sound a lot like you when arguing for something I truly believed.

When I chose to get born again, my core beliefs were challenged. I started looking at my heart and my life honestly and judged myself based on the Word. Most of the people trashing the Word are doing it b/c they saw who they really were, when they read the Scriptures, and didn’t like having the light shined on their ugliness. So, guess what, they run b/c they don’t want to be accountable and acknowledge the fact that THEY have chosen to be who and where they are in life.

The spirit of God in me constantly wars against “my human and natural feelings and desires”. But, I use the LIVING Word of God to help me in getting rid of those old desires and old way of thinking. I had to retrain myself to think in line with God’s way of doing things.

Pittboi, I could be right where you are, in my thinking, today. I was tried, as a young girl, by another girl. My flesh responded to that sexual touch, but my mind and spirit rose up and sounded alarms to my brain that: THIS IS WRONG!!!! GET OUT!!! As children and teenagers, we are all more vulnerable to be influenced in many ways. Thank God, that even growing up in a family that had its share of happiness and dysfunction, my parents put me in church and it planted seeds that I would later come back to.

You’ve said that you were brought up in the church and still read the Word. Well, when are you going to realize that Satan is not just going to roll over and allow this Word to minister to your heart? When are you going to think about the fact that, maybe just maybe, he put people in your path to reinforce the “feelings” you felt as a youngster and who encouraged you to go with your “feelings” and the belief that you don’t need anyone to make you “deny a fundamental aspect of who you are”?

However, when are you also going to believe that, on the other hand, God is also sending people in your path, like me, to lovingly tell you: “Pittboi, HE loves you in where you are. But, the sin has to stop. Have the courage to question your choices and try looking for Him again.”

Pittboi, you seem like a nice person. And while I’m not gonna knock who and where you are right now, I am also not going to participate in the enabling sympathies that the gay/lesbian movement seems to be pushing for in its advocacy for legitimacy. However, I am challenging you to question your decision. I am challenging you to be willing to acknowledge that, with all your intelligence, you’re still limited by what you can see and that’s not enough. Because, one day: “EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!”

If you have any questions, or want to PM me, feel free. I’m available.

“I began a journey that, to this day, challenges the core of the initial learned behaviors I gained while growing up.”

Nope, this is where we differ.

Homosexuality isn’t a learned behavior. Most other sins are.

I think you’re missing my point because it falls outside of the realm of “you’re doing this and this is bad so just stop”. Asking a homosexual to stop being gay is like asking someone to live the rest of their life hopping on one leg. Sure, you could do it, and you would always be tempted to use your other leg, and eventually you get used to it. But this doesn’t change the fact that you were born to walk on two legs.

And frankly, your message of denying all of your feelings is the biggest battle I have with my own Christianity. I grew up in the church, listening to all of this. Trust me, sister, nothing you’ve said/suggested to me is at all new, I’ve been there and heard it and tried it. And like just about every other religious homosexual I had that period of my life where everyday I hated myself for my “feelings”. These were the worst years of my life–the silence, the crying from the fear of thinking that no matter what I did, I was doomed to an eternity of hellfire, all for my “feelings”. Worrying my family because they know something’s wrong, but I’m too afraid to tell them because of fear of what they’d say. Then one day, in church actually, I just had had enough. Similar to that tried and true message of leaving your burdens on the cross, that’s what I did with my feelings. I prayed to God right there in church, and told him I didn’t know what he wanted of my life, or what was right for me, but I was going to leave my burdens on the cross, and I asked him to order my footsteps, and show me where I should go.

That was years ago. And whether or not you like it, I’m much more comfortable in my own skin, as a homosexual, than I’ve ever been. God didn’t lead me to a life of heterosexuality, God placed people in my life who made me feel comfortable with who I was, and how I could function in my life as well as my spirituality. And my own spirituality and faith in God has grown. The devil is everywhere, and no offense, but that also means the church. I honestly feel that it was the Satan, and not God, who every day for all those years made me feel guilty and ashamed and doomed for my feelings, because I know in my heart that if that had continued any longer, I most likely would have turned from Christianity completely or something much worse.

You may not agree, JQueen, and I’m not asking you to: My life and relationship with God is between God and me. So I like to keep my own spirituality out of these discussions and focus on the problem at hand. We’re all humans in this world. We’re all citizens of this country. As promised by the constitution, we’re all supposed to be treated equally. This isn’t a religious matter, and religion isn’t going to solve it. It’ll just make muddy the issues and keep us from the actual crux of the issue.

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his still human.lets not be ignorant about all this.

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Wat Hardaway said was dumb…y say something if You just gone turn around and apologize for it…and it doesn’t really seem like he means it…Ive experienced homosexuality myself…an I personally say there is nothin wrong wit it…its a part of life…he needs to get over it…beacause nowadays…7 out of every 10 Americans are gay…even bisexual…so GET THE HELL OVER IT HARDAWAY…an how can you be so childish as to say it so strongly…hate is such a strong ass word…as far as the ppl may know he’s probably gay his dam self…yes i said it…he’s a gay ass nigga

send all the faggots to australia so we don’t have to deal with them