Who in the world would take pictures of this? This seems gay! He looks nice. What was the purpose of showing this?

Paris Hilton calls us Black women big butt ho’s from Compton and calls us Niggers, and nothing gets said. She also was calling men faggots, and fat Jewish bitches, but nothing get said, she keeps her endorsement deals, Fila being one of them. But he makes a comment, which is his opinion, and it is a whole bunch of bullshit. America is double standard period!

Freedom not only to say what you want but to let others say something even if it’s completely opposite to what you believe and gets you mad…it’s one way or the other….what’s good for one should be good for everyone…but some how you say something about gays and everybody up in arms….It’s the over sensitive hypocritical bullshit I have a problen with….You can call the president the devil but God forbid you say something about gays….sign of the times.

he might be homophobic but he sure got a nice ass…i love a man with a nice fat ass……….ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

#76 That is the whole point! America is a contradiction in motion and it seems happy to tear a Black person down. Hence, we have to live above reproach and hold ourselves to a higher contemporary standard.

You dislike gays? That is fine. However, do not go public with this foolishness.

Hardaway could have easily said something like, “It’s about winning and the supporting the team, Gay/str8 it does not matter. It’s all about the game.” Instead, he took the conversation other dubious places.

He is an attractive, successful Black man in the public eye. There is no need for him to act that way.

whatever happened to the kids in Clemson who had the party to ‘celebrate’ Martin Luther King Bday and painted their faces black and ducked taped 40’s to their hands???? Freedom baby….
Bunch of fucking jokers running the media (and America)..

@77TRINIB:
What the fuck yu know about sign of the times, OH SHIT- here comes the religious wannabees. Here you are with an avatar of a woman caressing a man’s bare azz and you wanna talk about sign of the times and get all analytical, bitch pleeze!

Okay, I agree that as a public figure one needs to watch what one says. So yes, Tim should have used some decorum. But what the Fuc%ked is up with the reverse psychology sh*t? Not liking gay or the gay lifestyle doesn’t mean you are gay. When white folks say they hate blacks, does that mean they really want to be black? So why is it that when someone says they hate gays they want to be gay? Although gay seems to be in-vogue these days, there are millions of Americans who think and say the same thing everyday with friends and family, but the only difference is that they are not black and famous.

When I force myself to listen some of these so called conservative talk show/garbage, some of the comments that are made on these shows are just as WACK as what Tim said, so why is it that the Gay Mafia doesn’t rain down fire on them? Is it cause they white and got money? Hmmm

In terms of the video, I don’t see anything wrong with it. In women’s locker room you see the same sh*t, especially from white girls.

Who ever was filming must have a thing for Tim, maybe this is why he so fu*king pissed off. He probably had an encounter that made him uncomfortable as hell. LOL

#76–Paris Hilton said what? Where have I been? When did she say this? Did CL report this? Don’t u know I will have my Cali friends beat that chick’s ass next time she’s in the club if its true?

(sorry, i didn’t mean to be off-topic)

#80..did you hear about the white frat boys at Johns Hopkins (here in baltimore)..who had a “Halloween in the Hood” party. I think it was on national news. These white folks were wearing saggy pants, gold chains, were drinking 40s, and hung skeletons by nooses. NAACP was all over that.

ARen’t dudes always butt ass naked in locker rooms? Why that person was filming, I shall never know!

Tim Hardaway got a nice ass though!

And lastly, I didn’t know dudes lotioned their wee wee’s!

@76 - I agree. When it comes to the gay mafia raining down fire on non whites who make homosexual slurs, the media seems to go crazy. I have noticed that they rarely make this much noise when white folks say the same damn sh*t. why is that?

keep the sh*t consistant.!!

@ 80 - u see, the media is defining and controling our reality, there we are going to focus on what they want us to focus on. They did’t want us to focus on the racist ass mofo at Clemson, and Paris (racist ass) Hilton, but they want us to focus on Tim H, and we fall for it all the time.

And I just wanted to say that I don’t agree with same sex relationships either but that’s their business and I still treat them like I would want to be treated, but I cringe everytime I hear them compare their struggle to the African-American/Black struggle. Cannot compare. A person can conceal who they choose to have sex with, we cannot hide the fact that we are Black.

This hidden film could explain why Tim hates you foul creatures! African men and women walk around with their bare asses all the time! The locker room has a shower with multiple showerheads, so men and women are gonna see each other naked!

I hate you gay, excuse me…I hate homosexuality just like the word says the Lord does! I’m trying to be politically correct, but when someone sneaks a camera into the locker room, the gay culture suffers a black eye! Again, I hate the sin, not the sinner! Okay!

This hidden camers behavior hits at the core of the problem of men wanting sex with other men! These same gay men are high school coaches and doctors who sneak peeks and set up hidden cameras.

Tianna, I’m a little amazed that you posted this topic at midnight and all the gay folks just happen to log on and state their cases at 2:00 AM in the morning! WTF?? Is there a hotline that I don’t know about? lol

Also Tianna, I don’t know if you made up the title: “What happens when you say you hate gays people”, but the hidden video happened long before he said he hated them! Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Some $#!T just seems so crafty and random like quoting Alicia Keys “What goes around”! That’s some random $#!T! Self-serving?

And, you street corner Psychologist need to quit it! If a hidden camera incident don’t demostrate perversion to you, nothing will! Stop calling Tim gay until you have proof!

Now, let me get back to the locker room! Many of you who have daughters…and sons should have watched Oprah yesterday. O’Riley was the guess speaker and they said that there are millions of sex offenders roaming the streets…unregistered! One man had been raped since he was a child and thought he was doing the normal thing! It was a show that you straight people should watch before you start preaching let by-gone be by-gones! Sex offenses and homosexuality are tied together! Men and women searching the net for young boys and girls!

Tim has a right to hate gays if one of them took hidden camera photos of him rubbing his ownself ass! What’s the world coming to when you can’t rub lotion on yo own ass after a shower! I could care less about my ass being ashy, but I respect the rights of others to have a shiny ass! lol

A few years ago, Venus and Serena requested seperate lockers when they noticed Marresmo and Navatilova commenting and looking at them in the showers. Oprah pointed out that the gays are clever to make the unsuspecting victim feel like he or she is part of the process! That way, your son or daughter won’t talk until they start getting abused! And, O’Riley Factor say the abuse is sure to follow!

I suggest that y’all get off of Tim and get back to the real issues of perversion that goes on in gay bath houses, nightclubs and public locker rooms! When gays join the club, its not long before the whole herd shows up! Homosexuality is like a cancer! It needs to be radically eradicated! Chemotherapy and pills don’t always work!

CL gays have one of the best medical teams in the country helping them to get that $#!T out! JQueen is like the Chemotherapist breaking it down so you can flush it out! And, Judah is like the Osteopathic expaining the relationships and proper diets! The Dukesmann is like the Pharmicist providing prescriptions medicine! But, I only know catharsis and Surgery! I’m a cut and burn man! The Surgeon who is not afraid to make the cut! I know how deep to cut, but every now and then, I lose a patient or two! ops!

I try not to make my points with a lot of scriptures and bible, because therein lies the reason why gays hide in the closet…like Adam and Eve when they hid in the garden! You can’t hide from God! I don’t use sweet logic, because you’ll just keep on living the lifestyle if everyone sugarcoats for you!

The healing takes a sincere heart to change or…the end will be discruction!

Here we go with the wannabe screenwriters and the religious know-it-alls all up in this peice.
What started out as a conversation about the DL Tim changes into a “why you should fear and hate gays” sermon.
All this is coming from a faggot himself who is obsessed with female gossip.
*exits room with luggage in hand*

Judah! where are you when your internet boyfriend needs backup?

I just hope you read every word, because it will help you or drive you back into your closet! Either you fall on the stone, or the stone will fall on you!

Now, the atricle said: “Hardaway was banished from some NBA-sanctioned appearances he was scheduled to make in Las Vegas as part of the league’s All-Star Weekend over his comments. He also lost at least one of his endorsement deals, plus had his name dropped from advertising at a car wash he owns in Miami.”

Actually, not a high price to pay for a gut renching statement! Sometimes in life you have a choice to either gain the world or you lose your soul! Tim backpeddled in an attempt to have his cake and eat it too! It didn’t matter how he said he hated gay lifestyle, he would have lost those little perks anyhow! If he sticks to his words, God would bless him ten fold!

Funny, I never heard of PMS ING until today! Coalition member???

# 89 Meatloaf your ignorance is beyond comprehension.

You cannot try to be slick by throwing sex offenders on the loose in your post. One has nothing to do with the other. So are we talking about safeguarding children? Or, are we talking about hate speech? Or are we talking about the footage? If you are asserting that some relationship exists b/w these topics then you had better justify it clearly.

Tim H. was not talking about children. There are no children in the locker room. Also, you do not know who filmed the footage and why they did it. Lastly, you cannot assume that person (presumable a male) is/was gay (or even has/had sex with other men).

This has the be the most idiot piece of crap shown to smear someone.

Gay people why do you care what Tim hardaway thinks so what he dont like gay people and trust me there are a lot of people who dont. There are people who dislike mexicans, there are people who dislike blacks, there are people who dislike poor people, there are people who dislike policeman. Give me a break, the man is in a locker room getting dressed. I thought that is what locker rooms are for. So because he is naked with other naked men in an professional athletic locker room he is gay? I happen to think he is not gay and this is a small minded feeble attempt to smear his name more. Stupid!

He got a Nice body! Too bad I didn’t get to see the money shot

In the words of Miss Alicia Keys: “What goes arounds comes around, what goes goes up must come down…”

^

She didn’t make that quote! (sigh!)

What got me about the whole Tim saga is the apology. WTF? U spoke your mind and did the damage, so what the fuck u wanna go back and apologize for? u know when it comes to black celebrities using slurs the media dont’ give a fuck!! once they get u ur got!!

It’s like shooting someone with bullets, then going back to pick up the bullets. It’s no use cause you already killed them.

It’s like when Rush Limbah made his racist comment about black Qbacks, that fat ass pig never did apologized, cause that’s how he felt. ESPN did however canceled his spot.

#81 what does the statement ’sign of the times’ have to do with being a religious freak…just pointing it out….and obviously your sign-on defines you more than my pic…lol…another sensitive punk….get over yourself

Ya know, I view hate as the offspring of FEAR. When people are fearful or THREATENED by something, they tend to begin to hate that thing/person/concept.
*Many Whites fear Blacks b/c they want to remain the dominant race.
*Some ppl hate Mexicans b/c they complain that the Mexicans are taking away their employment opportiunities and filling up their neighborhoods.
*Every race has dislike for gays b/c they think gays are gonna take over the world and destroy their children and their beliefs (of course, not realizing many gays are born gay).
So what do ya do when you FEAR something and have ZERO control over it? You HATE it
And the list goes on and on…
Shit–we humans are and always be very primitive. We just can’t fucking get along, can we?

93. TheBoyAboutTown, Are you closeted?? I never heard of you! Anyhow!!!

The show on Oprah did make a correlation between gay men and sex offenders! One man had molested over 100 boys! If that ain’t some gay $#!T, I don’t know what is!

And yes, there are children in the locker rooms of high schools and and jr. highs all over America! Lesbian women and men who instruct P.E. and coach sport teams are preying on these children all the time!

This is the worst kind of “getting turned out” when someone is paid as a coach or teacher to guide children, but instead they manipulate them into sexual favors and soon rape! Contact any black college and inquire about the experiences of the 17 year-old recruit.

I know a woman coach who moved the star point guard from foster care into her home! That girl is now her mate! So, don’t pretend that homosexuality is an isolated event. The recruitment is organized and deadly!

I made no more assumptions than the gays did at 2:00 AM who called Tim gay! I don’t see you jumping down their monitor! Who ever shot that video, shot some gay $#!T! It was perverted!! Only men are permitted in the NBA’s men shower area!

Is that justification enough for you! Now, who’s ignorance is beyond comprehension? hehe! Also, nothing I say will be clear to you if you’re closeted!

Please, explain to me why you are so pushed over the fact that gay men and lesbians prey on children???

97. I’m sure he honestly feels that way but had I’m sure his “people” told him to apology because he is a public figure and they have to do things like apologize for safety and public image.

Meatloaf…

You said something about him sticking to his words, and him being blessed ten fold by God. The Lord isn’t about hate and has no part of it. He is against things we do but he doesn’t believe in hate. So he’s not getting blessed for his feelings of hatred at all. Him saying that is just as much as sin as the NBA player having sex with another man. Anyone who really knows the word will tell you that no sin is greater than the other, so to throw stones is idiotic and a sin in itself.

My beliefs are againt this but I still lie, cuss, and other stuff too so I can’t say I hate someone for sinning just like I do, then I would jsut be saying I hate myself too. What people choose to do is between them and their God.

#98: STFU
MEATLOAF- Go away you are a a living plague, you black bastard.

#88-I agree with you 100%. Gays can not compare their struggle to the shit black folks have had to put up with. They have never been lynched, hosed. They can’t even compare their struggle to the Jews of the Holocaust. Homophobia and Racism–TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES. I’m a moderate Democrat, the reason I consider myself a MODERATE Democrat is because I don’t agree with a lot of the gay rights proposals in my state. Why the heck should people get SPECIAL rights because of their SEXUALITY? HETEROSEXUALS dont’ get any special treatment. Is this country so damn horny that our sexuality must define who we are? Let’s end racism first, then we’ll get to gay rights later.

Meatloaf, if you read my earlier comments, at #69 (no pun intended) you would see that I stated, “This footage does not make Hardaway gay or even allude to such necessarily.” That is in direct response to the notion that this footage or TH’s comments must mean that he has something to hide and is a closeted gay man. That theory is busted and just plain wrong. You can hate gay people without actually being one.

Now, pedophiles do exist. Some are str8, others are bi, and you have a healthy contingent of gay ones (or those who prefer sex with people of the same sex). However, I take issue with the way you present that in the context in which you did. You raise the issue not for the benefit of children, but for the benefit of your argument about the dangers of gays.

TH’s comments had nothing to do with that and neither dif the forage. Yes, children are in locker rooms and gyms everywhere, but your arguments need not be so misleading and presumptuous. Pedophiles and pedophiliac acts occur in all forms- man/boy, man/girl, woman/boy, woman/girl- so you cannot present it as though it is only a “gay” thing. That is ludicrous. You are improperly using that as evident to support your claims, which makes your argument totally void.

Black people should consider this:

Would we be so forgiving if the offender was white and the rhetoric in question was racist? No, I’m sure we would not be.

The level of homophobia in the black community is astounding. What’s also astounding is how black people defend their own bigotry by utilizing hypocrisy: “Racism and homophobia aren’t the same thing, so it’s okay to hate gay people, even gay black people.”

Blacks don’t even realize (or maybe we do realize and choose to sublimate) how much their rationalization of homophobia sounds like the white supremacist rationalization of racism. And we use the same tactics and tools as the white supremacists: hatred, violence and religion.

Racism and homophobia ARE NOT the same thing. Since when was our sexuality compared to our skin color?? Earth to BOBBY!!!! I have a few gay friends, and I love them. I am NOT homophobic. But i tell them all the time: “I’m sick of yall whining and crying about every little damn law in the constitution.” Because as a black woman, I’m still in the struggle, and I’ll be damned if a gay white man is going get better treatment than me–you feel me!!!!

And in my previous post–I was referring mainly to gay white men. Gay blacks can relate to the racial struggles.

@ 100- straight ppl prey on children as well. though i was never physically touched by an older man, i got many stares and knew what they were thinking. nasty ass perverts. hell watch “to catch a predator” on nbc. most of the predators are straight men. if you’re a perv, you’re a perv regardless of sexual preference

@76- the thing is that was a home vid and that was never released (it was taken down from youtube so i doubt a lot of ppl saw it). obviosuly what paris did was wrong but a home vid won’t get as much attention as a radio interview. think about it, if paris had said that on the radio, do u really think ppl wouldn’t have said something? i think they would, but anyway she’s a woman and i don’t feel that women get as punished 4 things like this as men do

@ 77- you can callt he prez a devil but you’ll get backlash. look at how the dixie chicks (that country group) got in major trouble b/c the lead singer said bush made her ashamed to be from texas. ppl were outright burning their cd’s and radio stations boycotted them. they came back full force but still. same with homophobic comments. u can say it but get ready for the consequences. besides those are diff things. call bush a devil, he’s just one person but saying u hate a whole group of ppl when you don’t know all of them is a lot worse

@ 86- how many white people (minus religious fanatics) do you know say on tv or the radio that they hate gays? when they do, ppl do talk about it

@ 97- did Mel Gibson apologize fr his remarks? yes! did Michael Richardson apologize for his? yes! it’s called pr hun. you gotta apologize no matter what your race is. you can’t just take one person as an example of how whites don’t apologize and blacks do

This video is all up in Timmy’z cake mix! Work that Duncan Hinez boi!

And Dixie Chicks still #1 female group
Nice comeback #102…lol…thanx…most fun I’ve had on CL thus far…
Yawn…I’m out

BMORESERIOUS:

You miss the lessons of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr. and even Jesus the Christ: If one of us is oppressed, we are ALL oppressed.

You are so caught up in not wanting gay white people to have “more rights than you” (which is the most ridiculous prospect I have ever heard. How is allowing gay people equal rights giving them MORE rights than you? Do you know that was the EXACT same logic and argument whites used when blacks wanted equal rights? They were afraid, just like you’re afraid.) that you don’t even see that this is EXACTLY what straight white people want you to be focused up. Because while you’re out there ensuring that no one has “more rights than you” the straight white man is ensuring that you’re not doing anything to maintain the rights you already have.

@ 103
http://www.gaydarradio.co...annel=2&nChannel=News

http://www.homanla.org/New/outragereport.htm
http://www.sare.org/sanet...ml-home/28-html/0297.html

gay people have been lynched. it’s true that their history is different from ours (they were not forced into slavery, taken fromt heir homes, etc.) and their lynichings are not systematic but killing is killing and lynching is one form used to kill ppl. we’re not the only ones who have to watch our backs when we go into certain neighborhoods.

@105 Bobby - Personally, not being a religious person, I don’t condone hate of anykind and don’t hate gays.I don’t give a fuck what folks do in their bedrooms, but at the same time i don’t agree with the lifestyle period. It’s like white folks who don’t want to live next to black folks. I don’t want to live next to them either, as long as I have equal access to equal opportunity. I feel the same way about homosexuals.

If you don’t like them, fuck it that’s your problem, but give them equal access to live their lives.

On another note,no one is saying it’s okay for blacks to hate gay people, what some of us are saying is that you can’t equate the two. You cant equate the struggle of black folks to being a homosexual. You can’t campare the millions of blacks killed to white racism. You cant equate the rape and dehumanizatin of our mothers, fathers,brothers, etc, to being homosexual.

You can’t equate the thousands of black men who hung from trees in every corner of the US and beyond to homosexuality. you cant equate the thousands of black wonmen who were raped by white men to the struggles of homosexuality.

And not everyone who says i don’t agree with the lifestyle hates homosexuals. I was chilling with my gay friends yesterday and this discussion came. U know what, they know exactly where i stand on homosexuality, but at the same time they know without a doubt that i love them like family.

99. Natural Mystic, I know you noticed that I got a 100 on my reaponse! lol

I tried to put your philosophy to a test and it failed miserably! You said: “I view hate as the offspring of FEAR. When people are fearful or THREATENED by something, they tend to begin to hate that thing/person/concept.”

God and I hate evil! But, the word said, “ye though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil”!

I hate pedophiles, but I don’t fear them! I hate mamipulative women, but I don’t fear them! I feel threatned by racial profiling, but I don’t fear it!

You must be delusional if you think whites fear blacks! Maybe they fear the ones on 106 and Park, but that’s just an hour show! hehe! Go down south on a Saturday night and see how whites parade the streets with confederate flags on back of pickups.

And, leave the mexicans alone, hell they making beds and picking tomatoes. They can have those jobs! lol And, the distain for gays is not a racial issue! WTF? hehe! You said: “Every race has dislike for gays”! Where do you get this $#!T???
Homophobia is more of a religious matter! Me and Jesus are the homophobics, but not me and Dick Chaney! hehe! Fortunately, most Americans say they serve God!

And, contrary to your belief, the people do have control over homosexuals! You can’t enjoy the benefit of each others marriage like normal people! You have to call your relationship a “civil union”, not a marriage! Health benefits, retirement sharing and public displays are taboo! Oh yeah, we got yo ass in check! Don’t ever think differently! Closeted or not! Hell, the closet is a form of control! No one is in fear of that random $#IT! And, when one of you dies, all of your “civil union” wealth goes into probate! The States that permit gay unions are the ones with the highest number of sexual offenders! God has control!

So, stop making all these jail-house philosophical remarks if you can’t give some proof! Natural Mystic, if you’re not too closeted I have a question for you, were you born lesbian?

Ok..good point Bobby..what I should have said that I dont have a problem with Gays having equal rights than everyone else, because I am truly adamant about the struggle for EQUAL rights. HOWEVER, I believe a GAY person should NOT have MORE rights than a BLACK person because they’re GAY. Do you understand me? In other words, sexuality does not have greater weight than race. SEXUALITY should not be considered a more imperative issue than race. This is still AmeriKKKa.

I want a show of hands: Who believes racism and homophobia are the same? This should be a CL survey.

All I wanna know is…
1. who is the dude in Video #2 rubbing lotion on his dick & balls?
**and**
2. How did TH get that booty?! Damn, Can momma have some of that?!?

I don’t see what the big deal is…okay, dude said he hates gays…but he apologized TWICE and he’s still getting grief.

But that CRAMER dude says all those hateful things about us blacks…he gives an obviously BS apology ONCE, and nothing is ever heard about it again!!

Puleezz…spare me this crap.

@ 115…OMG!! *bites bottom lip* By your description of the video…I can’t wait to get home and watch it!!! Lol..I’m such a perv…hahah

MEATLOAF:

The “jailhouse” philosophy that you refer to is embraced by every scientist, psychiatrist, psychologist and great thinker in the world today.

Do your research before you speak out of turn.

ASSHOLE & a NIGGER!

101. Megan, I hate to bust your bubble, but there are some things that God hates! HE HATES! He allows a whole city to flood or a great building to fall, because of things that he hates! Don’t be fooled into an image of God that is onesided! God has many sides and his wrath is directly connected to things that He hates! I know He’s longsuffering, but He is also just!

Now, listen closely! There are no straight men preying on young boys! There are no straight women preying on young girls! These are gay acts! @HBIC that was for you too! Gay men commit 99% of sexual abuse against boys. Only gay men rape boys!

Women are slightly more decent when it comes to raping young girls, but women are severily promiscuous with men and each other! Why you think black women’s HIV counts are the fastest growing? God knows what He’s doing!

And, don’t forget all the Catholic priest who ruin the lives of young boys! These are gay acts! So, in my opinion, any act of homosexuality can be linked to some sexual abuse or offense!

Just place a call to Howard or Hampton and ask to speak to the clinic nurse! Tell her you are doing a research on “Highschool who get turned out”! The nurse will tell you the truth as a health professional! And, “getting turned out” doesn’t equal “being born that way”!

Megan, I know you feel it your christian duty to love and cope, but God wants us to be wise as serpents…not just harmless as doves! When you get over the shock, you’ll be able to put on the “full armor of God”! We got too many shelds and not enough swords! Stop defending gay rights and start taring down strong holds! We war not against flesh, but principalities in high places! But, we do war, whether you like it or not!

Well I’m know I’m not gay, cause I started drooling,J/K!

Ok, so I know this is the locker room and all that. but what’s up with the dudes that are dressed sitting around watching them get dressed? Really would you sit there and let ya boy’s balls bounce in your face?

Tim Hardaway looked good, just as I imagined. But he should have known better. But now he does.

Gay people are in many positions of power whether they are in or out the closet you have to watch what you say.

We need to remember that we are still Black. Money just changes your account balance. Right on the heels of Isaiah Washington, he should have refrained from answering the question. We are so readily tossed aside and punished for when we speak on things.

Can we get Tim and Isaiah on Ellen to apologize to the gay community?

I don’t recall anyone calling Michael Richards a jerk or pictures of Kramer being taken off Seinfeld DVDs.

Meatloaf, you ain’t nothin but a black devil.
I only read your first and last sentence, as I really don’t have the patience or NEGATIVE spirit to deal with you today. I’m in a wonderful mood today!!
You took a whole post and dedicated it to responding to my 99TH. Thanks.

I have to admit, this has been a very lively discussion. We need more honest discussion on sensitative issues such as these.

However you like it, in the butt, in the vaGG, in ur mouth, under ur feet, ur armpit, ur belly button, etc, to each his own, and do u.

Until the next post, one love, and stay strong

he said what most of us think or feel, but are afraid to say. he probably could of said it a different way, but he has the right to say what he wants. showing a video of him naked in a locker room does nothing. GROW UP! this is America! People have said and done a lot worse!

118. Bobby, I see you quoted everyone (every scientist, psychiatrist, psychologist and great thinker), but the Creator! First of all, you’re use of the word “every” suggest that you are searching! You don’t have it all together! Hate has its place in life just like love has its place! BTW, the word love is abused more often the the word hate!

I guess you want some of my attention, cause you put very little on the table! So, I went back to try and glean some substance from you! It was a struggle, but I found some of your black power thinking!

Yes, we are not all oppressed if one of us is! Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess! I don’t have to be oppressed if Whitney choses to poison herself! And, I don’t have to be Pittiful if you or someone else wants to challenge God! The relationship with God is a personal one and it rains on the just and unjust! What lesson did Jesus teach that makes you oppressed like Mike Tyson, Antwan, Pityful and George Bush?

I want to limit the rights of gays, murderers, pedophiles, rapist, racist or anyone who wishes to offend one of these little ones! I think it would be better if they tied a rope and rock around their neck and cast it into the ocean!

When will you and others stop challenging the political correctness of Tim’s comments and debate the more sever issue of homosexual in the black community! Its (the act, not the person) hated more in the black community, because blacks know the mind of God better than other communities from a spiritual sense!

The intelligence in the black community is just now coming up to speed! We didn’t always know God’s word, but He made sure that we knew what He expected of us even through slavery! Gay people want us to ignor what’s in our hearts. Other communities only have to blank out whats in their minds, but deep in our souls, we know that $#!T is wrong! Blocking the mind is a much easier task for someone tempted by mind rather than soul!

So yes, the black community has been given more responsibility in this area. Consequently, more is expected from us! I have the same question for you if you’re not closeted, were you born gay?

meatloaf…bill orielly right and you know what he did right?so you saying we should listen to him??ummmmm no.

@116 im saying…it seems like something isn’t enough and you people can’t move on i mean damn forgive and move on if you were so whatever you call yourself.

who cares if you gay.im tired mostly black people so quickly downing their own people when they could be uplifting.you people be sooooo suprised at how many white people are laughing and thinking the same he think and the truth but his ass is the only one that would say it.there soo many hypocrites up in here i don’t even want to count.

@111 When your gay, you can hide in the closet.

You can’t compare judging someone’s skin color to sexual preference.

Most of our beliefs about homosexuality come from our religious backgrounds.

It is hard for people when they believe in God and the Bible to tolerate or accept homosexuality. It is hard to not bring that up when addressing this issue.

CL is not the forum for this discussion.

All I can say is treat people the way that you would want to be treated while living in this world. It is not up for you to judge.

Well I don’t think he’s gay. Maybe he experienced gays looking at him in the wrong way in the lockers and got upset remember he is Hardaway, and gay men would love to look him up and down. This means that the gay men who taped him on the video has been doing this a long time and now Hardaway said what said and the gay man decided to show it to the public. Maybe he had been experience suspicious things for a while and just decided to let it out. Gay people need to start respecting straight people to. My brother had to close his curtins one day cuz this gay man who lives across the street kept looking at his window and my mother had to stop my brother cuz he was about to go and beat the gay man up. This gay who released this video is wrong! he was probably jerking off the video every night and day.

@91

Sis, you’ve got to re-send me your home address. I’m sorry if the autograph didn’t get to you. I give all the credit to the Most High for your anger because His lessons obviously cut your demonic spirit, lol. Does it make you that angry that there are still black men that are actually about something? Now if I repped some gang you wouldn’t have shit to say because I’d be a nigger like you, lmao. Alot of you black people are funny as hell to me. Maybe if you become more constructive in your thought process you could find a “positive” brother to inseminate that decrepit object you call a uterus and you can stop PMS’ing. I give you permission to write my biography when the Lord takes me.

The only “hypocrisy” in hate are the people who deny their hate or lie on the Lord’s Word. You can claim to “not hate” if you want to but please don’t say what the Lord does and doesn’t do if you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Please, let’s make a distinction between truth and perception; what’s right as opposed to what’s popular.

alleged Someone said that in America you have the right to free speech but not “hate speech”, lol. Who made you or any other man the arbiter between free speech and hate speech? What is hate speech? If it’s something that offends people then everything is hate speech because you can always find someone that gets offended at anything. That’s how you know that America will eventually push to have the Bible declared as hate speech because even “Christians” get “offended” at the Bible’s content. The U.S. government already tried it back in 2005 in a late-night, under the table, legislature but the White Christian Fundamentalists shut it down because they know that the U.S. government is filled with satanists and they have some spies in there.. I always get a kick out of how fascist all these “open-minded” people are. No one said, “let’s kill the faggots”. People just stated their OPINION. It’s really black men’s fault because we haven’t set proper standards for ourselves and now all these outside forces are leading black people astray for the sake of confusion.

He ugly as a mother fucker, and with that said what man or woman would want him? Excuse me while I throw up…

YAY! Meatloaf’s girl Judah’ is here to back him up! No pun intended, y’all! Preach on Judah!

122. Natural Mystic, you couldn’t be in a wonderful mood today, if you calling someone who’s trying to help you with your struggle…”a black devil”! hehe! Is it rare for you to have a wonderful mood? Sometimes God troubles the water!

Its important that you read ever word! Take all that medicine, gurl! hehe! And, feel free to go back and re-read! The truth should be studied, not just read!

I figured that my question about your closetedness/born gay would cause you to retreat! You’re in a good place if that made you feel shame and discraced! At least God knows that you’re not challenging Him…you’re just weak and He’s got you covered!

BTW, a black devil would never point you to God!!! Some of your coalition on “Team Gay”, come on here announcing their homosexuality like Delishious at a big booty contest! lol They are in much worst shape than you!

Its okay to hate me and its even okay if you chose to hate the Lord, but at the end of the day, we still have to answer to God!

Thanks, for making me smile today Meatloaf!
BTW I had a delicious lunch today– curry chicken with coconut rice and peas and some REALLY sweet plantains.
;-)
What did you have???

@ 126

*shifts head with confusion* WTF, I don’t even understand that Mombo Jumbo you just wrote. It just gave me a headache for crying out loud.

You need to re-group and come again…with COMPLETE sentences. Geeze.

126. sharonda said: “bill orielly right and you know what he did right?so you saying we should listen to him??ummmmm no.”

Should you listen to Martin Luther King? Don’t pour the baby out with the bath water! God uses ordinary people! And, some of us are just filthy rags!

Now, if you are a believer, Sharonda, you have to encourage anyone who is publicly speaking out against child abuse! Forgive Bill for what he did, or how can God forgive you for the dirty little things you do sometimes! And gurl, you know you can make it funky! hehe! You be throwing that leg all off the bed and $#!T! lol

I wish you had seen the program on Oprah! David killed a man and took his wife, but God still used him, so don’t flash on a one time offender when there’s so much work to do! Let’s go after the serial offenders who come on CL and pretend that they have the right!

BTW - I’m not a big supporter of Bill or Oprah, but that show was about exposing gay aggression and protecting the little babies, so I concur!

That video made me very uncomfortable. Are all black males gay?

MEATLOAF:

Though I’ve read the BIble several times, I’m not a Christian. So speak to me in terms of reality, not in terms of an antiquated document written by men with an agenda, but claimed it was “divinely inspired.”

If your answer to everything is “because God says so in the Bible”, a book which, by the way, was used to support slavery, then explain to me why so many people are up in arms about homosexuality as an abomination, but not at wearing mixed fabric materials which the Bible also lists as an abomination?

Do you wear mixed fabrics, Meatloaf? Then, according to the very precepts of the religion you are clinging to, a religion, I might add, that was forced upon enslaved Africans by their racist European oppressors, you’re just as guilty as the homosexual in God’s eyes. So it would seem to me that you should spend more time getting your act together than judging homosexual behavior.

GOD HATES FAGS AND POLYESTER!

It stinks in here….smells like sloane, lmao.

133. Natural Mystic said: “BTW I had a delicious lunch today– curry chicken with coconut rice and peas and some REALLY sweet plantains.
;-)

Then she asked:
“What did you have???”

I say:
Man can’t live by curry chicken, coconuts rice and peas alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

i wish he was dwayne wade or reggie bush, now dats a ass i wanna see! ……:(

What in the world, not this again…

I’m staying out of this, this whole debate is miles away from what the actual point of what Tim Hardaway said, especially now that Meatload is involved.

I’ll just comment on one thing.

Judah:

“alleged Someone said that in America you have the right to free speech but not “hate speech”, lol. Who made you or any other man the arbiter between free speech and hate speech? What is hate speech? If it’s something that offends people then everything is hate speech because you can always find someone that gets offended at anything. That’s how you know that America will eventually push to have the Bible declared as hate speech because even “Christians” get “offended” at the Bible’s content. The U.S. government already tried it back in 2005 in a late-night, under the table, legislature but the White Christian Fundamentalists shut it down because they know that the U.S. government is filled with satanists and they have some spies in there.. I always get a kick out of how fascist all these “open-minded” people are. No one said, “let’s kill the faggots”. People just stated their OPINION. It’s really black men’s fault because we haven’t set proper standards for ourselves and now all these outside forces are leading black people astray for the sake of confusion.”

What Tim Hardaway said most definitely falls under the hate speech banner. He attacks a group of people on the basis of their sexual orientation in a public forum. Not only that, but he degrades them and incites violence against them–what kind of reaction do you think one would get from saying “gays shouldn’t be in this country or on this planet”, tolerance? No, that was a call to arms if I ever heard one.

What bothers me is everyone is overlooking the fact that if ANYONE said what Tim Hardaway said but replaced the word “gay” with “black”, black folks would be rioting in the streets. But oh, since it’s only gay people, we just have to sit back and take it? I think not. I hope this man loses every endorsement he still has.

137. Bobby, why do you ask questions about something that you say you don’t believe? Could it be that you do believe? All those little trick questions are not going to help your lost sin sick soul!

What is more important, your soul or some trivia about a garment! I only know of one garment that had enough virtue to cause a woman to say, “if I could only touch the hem of His garment!” Trust me Bobby, that garment inspires more people than you could ever do with your Old Testament trivia! Why do y’all choose to be bound, when God has set you free? Jesus died for you and me!

Bobby, I feel that the rest of my time with you should be spent praying for your soul! When someone says they are not a Christian, but stops short of saying what they do believe or follow, it reminds me of the homosexual who hides in the closet! What are you ashamed of if you think christianity isn’t good enough for you? Do you have something better than Christianity?

Meatloaf,

How can you sit here and quote the bible and it’s obvious that you have hatred in your heart?..a lil odd huh? And to sit here and say God hates things is just plain idiotic.You definately need to be smacked for that comment..If he taught us that we shouldn’t have hate in our hearts then what sense does that make if he has hatred in his heart? It’s obvious that you know nothing about the bible..did you just start reading it yesterday?…You seem like one of those people that try to preach to others about doing wrong and behind closed doors, you’re doing the same thing and being a hyocrite…This topic is about Tim saying he hate gays and you went waaaayyyyy off topic and started talking about something totally different.And maybe the person who filmed the video wasn’t gay, maybe they were just trying to simply sabotage his career…It’s obvious he didn’t know he was being recorded, i’m sure he would’ve said something since he so called hate gays. You need to state true facts about God instead of making yourself look like a complete ASS!!!!!!!!!!

Pittyboy, don’t come on here and pretend that you haven’t been reading every word and probably kicked a few tables too! Let it out! hehe!

Halle Barry did come out and basically say that she didn’t like blacks! She said she was ashamed growing up to be associated with her black side! And, guess what??? It didn’t incites violence or riot against anyone! Now, you sound homophobic with that $#!T!

So, don’t try to make Judah or others seem uncivilized! Homosexuals are the ones on trial here! Not the people who say that its wrong! Take that up with God! People say that Mexicans should be deported out of the country, but no ones making a big effort to round them up!

So, you can drop the victim routine! We don’t want you to leave of die, just stop the immoral perversion that plagues the country! I hate abortionist too…not for who they are, but for what they do! They kill defenseless babies! Gays challenge God plan for the family! They kill the normal order of life!

@pittbboi said…
“What bothers me is everyone is overlooking the fact that if ANYONE said what Tim Hardaway said but replaced the word “gay” with “black”, black folks would be rioting in the streets. But oh, since it’s only gay people, we just have to sit back and take it? I think not. I hope this man loses every endorsement he still has.”

I actually shocked that you would say something like this… IS that going to make gay people feel better about themselves OR make all the things gay people have been through and continue to go through Go Away forever… taking away his and his family’s income isn’t going to make it better for gay people

Tim’s an idiot granted BUT their are FAR WORSE people walking this earth than Tim Hardaway !!!

Gay people don’t have to fear anything that Tim says or thinks because his opinions are just that… His Opinions!!!

He may be entitled to his opinion but we are entitled to grill his ass for it. Hate is unacceptable.

Meatloaf, you’re a grade A dumbass.

On the subject of Halle Berry, she didn’t say she didn’t like blacks. THIS is what she said:

“I was raised by my white mother and every day of my life I have always been aware of the fact that I am bi-racial. However, growing up I was aware that even though my mother was white, I did not look or ‘feel’ very white myself…Many times my classmates did not believe me when I said my mother was white. I soon grew tired of trying to prove that I was half-black and half-white and learned not to concern myself with what others thought. I began to relate to the other ‘all black kids’ at my school more because quite simply…I looked more like them…After having many talks with my mother about the issue, she reinforced what she had always taught me. She said that even though you are half black and half white, you will be discriminated against in this country as a black person…why should it matter what color anyone is or what heritage they identify with? If people would just learn to look at everyone equally and stop trying to label one another the issue of what we are all made of would be null and void…We are all members of the same race, the human race!”

Meatloaf, you’re an idiot. Know your place.

“So, don’t try to make Judah or others seem uncivilized! Homosexuals are the ones on trial here!”

Actually, I could have sworn it was Tim Hardaway who was “on trial” here, so to speak. This whole debate isn’t about whether or not WE have the right to exist, because we do. So you and a few others are going to have to accept that.

[q]People say that Mexicans should be deported out of the country, but no ones making a big effort to round them up![/q]

Despite the fact that none of this makes any sense. If you knew anything about the amnesty debate going on in this country, you would know that there are people making an effort to “round them up”, as well as people who want them to stay. Stop referencing things you clearly know nothing about.

“Gays challenge God plan for the family! They kill the normal order of life!”

Do we challenge God’s plan for the family just by living our own lives, whether they be religious or not? Wait, why am I asking you? It’s not like you know a damn thing about the subject. God’s plan for the family has been challenged almost since it’s inception, and mostly by the heterosexuals its designed to be benefit, so don’t blame gays for that. And “kill” the normal order of life? Yeah, because me being gay is what’s making you hit on underage girls in this forum on regular basis. Are your married, Meatloaf? Is it because of gay people that you aren’t?

Well, let me make it very clear to you what I DO believe, Meatloaf (by the way, don’t think I didn’t peep how you didn’t answer ANY of my questions):

I believe religion to be a man-made sham meant to keep people in fear and in check for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. Christianity and Islam stand at the top of that delusional list, in my opinion.

Was that clear enough for you?

And if you wish to focus your energy and prayers on me, be my guest. But don’t think I don’t know that when I Christian says “I’ll pray for you” what they really mean is “F*** you for not believing what I believe.”

It’s all good, though. I’ll pray for you, too.

LOL the funniest thing is that as much as he hates gays, now thousands of gay men are watching his ass like porn on youtube. the view count was at 19,000 when i saw it

@141

You just proved my point for me. That’s your OPINION based on your perspective. Get over it. What is “tolerance”. That word connotes exposing yourself to something you’re against because you have to. That’s why caucasians use that term in relation to blacks. You don’t understand that the mentality of “tolerance” is sowing the seeds for major upheavals in this country. People are getting tired or this political correct movement and not being able to express themselves as they see fit. It’s establishing an atmosphere akin to a bubbling cauldron.

This society is like a couple that’s staying together for the children. Spare me with the “black folks would be rioting…” bullshit too because black people get called out all the time and don’t do shit. They did nothing about Michael Richards nor the nationally syndicated radio host that said black abortions lower the crime rate. I guess your saying, like the normal young American fascist, that the only people who’s freedom of speech rights should be protected are those with opinions that don’t offend you, lol. Average hypocrite. I believe in the Word but I don’t say, “Let’s kill the atheists.” Lol. Idealism sows the seeds for empires. You know enough history to understand that. When the white man designed the Constituion, he never thought that he’d have to endure a society where he’d have to act like he’s interested in the opinions of other races. That’s where the token leaders come in.