i have to agree with everything u said NETWORKING, this whole don imus thing came from hip hop and hip hop is to blame for all the degrading and disrespectful things us black women not only in america but all over the world have faced, all our fore parents came to the us as slaves , martin luther king, malcolm x, all them fought for us to get rights and now it’s like everything was a big waste because if we really cared all this won’t be happening right now

i know that in brazil, you go to jail just for calling a black person ‘negro’…

that is serious……..

Blame on hip-hop?Damn maybe we not getting the picture,its everybody’s fault.White men degrade black woman for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Can we do something about that?Again we haven’t found the root to the problem.If you don’t want to listen to it, cut your ears or something.Theres millions of music genres out there.I listen to classical music time to time.Would you all be happy if all of this went away?So its hip-hops fault that mostly black people are in poverty?Is it hip-hop fault that women are in videos knowing it was their PERSONAL DECISION to do it?One person does not speak for all.We are all individuals.

Money talks…

I cant watch the clip but I heard Russell on WPGC talking about how Barack Obama (who is rallying with Al Sharpton to censor rap music on the airwaves) should investigate the “conditions, poverty, and midset” that cause these young men to feel and express themselves with the language they choose to use…. TOTAL BULLSHIT!!! just b/c ur poor doesnt mean you can degrade women and call ppl “bad names” that’s the most ass backwards thinking I’ve ever experienced thus far. Of course Russell would say that…he has MILLIONS invested in this industry…

In this world I feel that we’ve come so far, and are still so far behind!

I agree 100% with what Diane Weather said that it is up to the women to say NO when it comes to participating in these videos. If they boycott casting calls for videos then rappers will be forced to come up with new concepts. Rappers are only half the problem because they aren’t forcing these women to come to these videos. Obviously these ladies in the videos have low self-esteem plus they think that starring in a few videos will lead to bigger opportunities. In most cases it doesn’t.

After the Civil Rights Movement and once we got the same rights as whites, we just thought we had won the battle. Instead of continuing to fight, we all just went our seperate ways and looked out for self. Not understanding that only half the battle was won. So here we are today as a race at each others throats and tearing each other down.

Everyone has some valid points on here.

I’m neither an avid lover or hater of hip hop in terms of being immersed in the culture. However, I don’t think that ANY song or lyrics is the by product of someone else’s behavior.

I think lifestyles (good or bad) are reflected in your attitudes, culture, and yes, music. And everyone has a different experience that is heartfelt, PARTICULARLY when you refer to hip hop. There can be no generalities made with rap, because I can hear a song and not even think TWICE that they are referring to me. Censorship of any kind (and I don’t care for MUCH of what is on the radio right now) is the beginning of the end of the world as we know it.

I find it intriguing that they are worried about the ho-ism of women and they are not worried about the massacres and threats of men that also permeate the lyrics of these songs. . .I don’t see Oprah doing any summits on the plight of black men. She already has an audience that has preconcieved notions of our culture. This is not doing anything better if, in fact it’s biased, when journalism is in fact supposed to be enveloped in neutrality.

My question is, where is the solution. The solution eradicates the problem, and the problem envelopes itself and manifests itself, and sometimes that is through music. Just as AMI Jane said, most of this world has something against black men in GENERAL, and young black men IN SPECIFIC, bottom line.

This is a witch hunt. It’s starting to turn into a ‘Who Shot John’ and Jedi Mind trick, where the real cause (Imus and his free speech and the right, to say what he wants, even if it sucks), is getting trumped by Oprah and her goonies believing that Rap hates women.

@58—nope, it really makes “us” look worse to air our dirty laundry…that’s why I think Common was chosen as the “face” of the rapper…he’s more clean-cut in his lyrics than others, and to put a rapper on the air to represent hip hop that has songs like “Smack that” and “Pussy Poppin” or “Big Pimpin’”would look really really DUMB…and their lyrics would be all of the justification needed for a censory on the lyrics.

Also, I agree w/ all of the ppl that say that ppl must screen what they allow their children to watch. Ppl let the media raise their children and then wonder what went wrong.

Finally….there’s ABSOLUTELY no way in the heck that a SIXTY-SEVEN YEAR OLD WHITE MAN IS INFLUENCED BY HIP HOP…he jumped on the bandwagon after Meredith (from Millionaire) confronted Al Sharpton and pointed to hip hop and the blk community as a scapegoat and reasoning for what Imus said.

I know it’s her show, but O had to be rude to everybody who wasn’t saying what she wanted to hear….
Ok I agree with 156…well said

Oprah you’re only a week late on this! It’s a done deal, move on.. Buy all the nappy headed hoes perms.

man these white people think we got culture/social issues…look how dumb we look, cant agree on nothing

Dammit he was just passing the buck!!!! Okay if Hip Hop is degrading women…then lets get at Playboy, Hugh Hefner, lets strive to shut down all the porn shops in America, Lets get rid of smut magazines, lets do that!!!! Now Hip Hop has to be the blame for everything!!! I’m mad Done Anus even tried to pass the buck and bring somebody else down with him! Thats why his Ass got fired!

I am so glad that this door has been opened. For the longest, this issue has been the big pink elephant sitting in the room that no one has been willing to talk about. It’s a damn shame that it took a white man, that has repeatedly made offensive comments about minorities and women, to strike up the dialogue and really open up the floor for this discussion. I don’t think there is one person in particular that you can point the finger at for the widely accepted denegration of black women. Yes, we have been looked upon as less than human since our arrival from the shores of Africa, but does that okay it for OUR OWN BLACK BROTHERS TO DO IT TO US!? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Yes, some black women subject themselves to this type of marginalization when they sign up for these video shoots, but as the young women from Spelman said, that doesn’t mean that you can treat every black woman that way. It’s time that the black community address these issues, and have a come to Jesus meeting amongst ourselves, because that’s where it begins. If you don’t respect yourself, how in the world do you expect others to respect you!? There are some key questions that we, as a people, need to ask ourselves, and get answered before we dare to get angry about an old racist white man doing what young black men do on a daily basis. We have got to get on the same page. IT’s not a matter of who says it, it’s a matter of it being said, point black. We need to be offended and display this same outrage when it comes out of a white man’s mouth, a black man’s mouth, a black woman’s mouth, or any one else’s!

I am very impressed with Concretloop readers. Wow - I read all your essays and each one was fill with passion! I love a Post that can let educated black people talk and debate over a great topic.

I am so sick of Post about the Beyonces, Tyra’s and Jay-z’s of the World.

Thank you Concrete Loop for adding this Post to your Blog!

Also, I am going to Boycott Hip Hop Music.. This is a true story…

Last Month I was in my car driving my coworker to his house…I had my Luda CD in… I was shocked my co worker knew all the words….. Ho’s came up a couple of times in the songs… we then passed two black sisters standing outside.. and my coworker said look at these hoes.. I did not say anything… i thought in my mind, maybe he think all females are Hoes… So I did an experiment.. we then passed three white girls.. and I turned to him and said - look at those fine HOES.. He said ” what -those ladies are not Hoes.. I said why not. because he said they are white, and ONLY BLACK females are HOES.. I wanted to flip out, however I said why you are saying that.. he said” because everyone says that in the music”

Enough Said - I was done with Hip HOP over 2 months ago

117. Meatloaf said:
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110. samech said: “…I wonder what the Nation of Islam has to say…(Louis Frarrakan). Honestly, I am tired of Sharpton.”

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Louis Farrakan: “It all the fault of the white devil!” lol!

The nation os Islam treat women like bond slaves!

Jesse and Al are doing just fine!

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Alot of the Great leaders are DEAD already!

Things aren’t going to change if those rappers who get their points across without the use of misogynistic lyrics don’t step up and say (i.e. Common who failed miserably at this opportunity to do so), “Dude, you can still tell your stories and not be negative while doing so.” I MEAN REALLY… do you have to say “hoe” to convey to the listener that you are talking about a woman of a questionable nature? If you want to be considered a true ARTIST, put some effort into your lyrics and become creative with the way you refer to certain things…that is what is wrong with hip hip right now…there are no true artists…back in the day, lyrics made you think and resonated with you…these days, I can’t even listen to them or distinguish who is who because they are unintelligent and the same shit…Kevin Liles, Russel Simmons, and the rest of their azzes are concerned about one thing…THEIR MONEY…

Let’s stop all this shit now.
Hip-hop does have some blame for what is going on right now. The words in rap are glamorized and people think its cool.
Something must be done about this whole situation.

on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 @ 12:42 pm

164. Ted Will said:
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I am very impressed with Concretloop readers. Wow - I read all your essays and each one was fill with passion! I love a Post that can let educated black people talk and debate over a great topic.

I am so sick of Post about the Beyonces, Tyra’s and Jay-z’s of the World.

Thank you Concrete Loop for adding this Post to your Blog!

Also, I am going to Boycott Hip Hop Music.. This is a true story…

Last Month I was in my car driving my coworker to his house…I had my Luda CD in… I was shocked my co worker knew all the words….. Ho’s came up a couple of times in the songs… we then passed two black sisters standing outside.. and my coworker said look at these hoes.. I did not say anything… i thought in my mind, maybe he think all females are Hoes… So I did an experiment.. we then passed three white girls.. and I turned to him and said - look at those fine HOES.. He said ” what -those ladies are not Hoes.. I said why not. because he said they are white, and ONLY BLACK females are HOES.. I wanted to flip out, however I said why you are saying that.. he said” because everyone says that in the music”

Enough Said - I was done with Hip HOP over 2 months ago

Bill Said:

That was a good story and a great lesson for our young black youth.

Caucasians are very impressionable, and not to bright…

Caucasian (as well as other Global nationalities) tend to believe the Images that we project on TV (Flavor of Love, I Love New York), as well as the Music that we produce as a community (50 Cent Ludachris, Snoop Dog)

Peace

@ MS H-Town. I think we let alot of things slide by saying “oh he wasn’t talking about me” I think it comes down to an ego/denial issue. As long as we know that that’s not who we are and we’re not being specifically called out then it’s ok to dance to it or sing along. But at the end of the day they are talking about us. For instance the Game talked so much shit about all these video vixens in his song and then tried to persuade them to be in the video by telling them it was just jokes and meant to be sarcastic. So does that take away from the fact that when you hear the song you think of these ladies as the ho’s he makes them out to be? Or when Gloria Valez is singing “you wouldn’t get far” it looks like she’s acknowledging that he’s speaking the truth? We need to stop settling for the okey doke cause the message is all the same. Like Kat Williams said he only says bitches cause he doesn’t know each name individually…

This discussion was very interesting.
I mean we deal with this very subject on a day to day basis, in these post, in the chat etc. People are just ignorant and thats the bottom line. Their children will be ignorant and its sad to say. Unless we as african americans, island folk etc,learn how to respect each other stop hating and really focus on progressing, other races will never respect us. I mean really how can we get mad.
A good percentage of black men dont believe back is beautiful. How the fuck can they at all have the nerve to even speak about imus being racist.Video chicks are light skinned and weavealicious or latino.

So I believe when WE start to believe we are beautiful, all shapes sizes and colors and respect each other, others will.

I am a young, black, educated female that is a huge hiphop fan. It’s hard to believe that the women who were representing from Spealman College really feel that way. It’s sad that some people went on Oprah to say what they thought she wanted to hear. Half of those women are the same one’s that dance and rock off the same songs that demean us. Let’s be honest we all are guilty of it.What mad me so upset was that it wasn’t once mentioned that these women have a choice to get on the videos and demean themselves no one holds a gun to their heads, so just as they had the rappers on the blast they should have these video vixens or video hoes. They must remember it starts with us, we have a choice to say No! I’m not going to degrade myself, if these females stand up and say no, we wouldn’t see females letting Nelly slide credit cards down the crack of their asses. It’s not just the rappers that degrade these women it’s us to. those women who represented Spelman can’t sit their a say that they never called another female a ho, we all are guilty. So we are also part of the blame, Oprah just wanted to take the oppurtunity to put hip hop on blast, she thought Kanye was a poet now he has a video with Game talking about women, I guess he won’t be invited on her show anymore. It’s hard for me to say this about us females , but right is right.

Did n e one else watch “Roots” on TV-1?

It was my first time (embarrassing to say that), but I felt like a complete ass for ever letting the word wench, or nigga (cuz it doesnt matter how it’s spelt) come out of my mouth…EVER!!!!!!!!

I should have e-mailed a couple of blog runners…maybe sum1 would have posted it…. It was an experience I will NEVER forget.

164. Ted Will .. very interesting

I’m glad we talking out our issues but it so way overdue.

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Bill Said:

That was a good story and a great lesson for our young black youth.

Caucasians are very impressionable, and not to bright…

Caucasian (as well as other Global nationalities) tend to believe the Images that we project on TV (Flavor of Love, I Love New York), as well as the Music that we produce as a community (50 Cent Ludachris, Snoop Dog)

Peace

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Then I hate to say than we have a long way to go.Because as much as I thought people were open about other people I guess thats not the answer.I lived from Spain,Germany,Japan and France and I was treated with respect, they never treat me as if I was an object.I think if they see what they see in the streets, like women with limited clothes they might think like that,but I never dressed in little cute clothes to get attention.I have yet set an example for my little sisters because at the day and age its hard for a black female to feel left out.I know understand where you all are coming from, but I just saying don’t just point it at one person.

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on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 @ 12:42 pm

164. Ted Will said:
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I am very impressed with Concretloop readers. Wow - I read all your essays and each one was fill with passion! I love a Post that can let educated black people talk and debate over a great topic.

I am so sick of Post about the Beyonces, Tyra’s and Jay-z’s of the World.

Thank you Concrete Loop for adding this Post to your Blog!

Also, I am going to Boycott Hip Hop Music.. This is a true story…

Last Month I was in my car driving my coworker to his house…I had my Luda CD in… I was shocked my co worker knew all the words….. Ho’s came up a couple of times in the songs… we then passed two black sisters standing outside.. and my coworker said look at these hoes.. I did not say anything… i thought in my mind, maybe he think all females are Hoes… So I did an experiment.. we then passed three white girls.. and I turned to him and said - look at those fine HOES.. He said ” what -those ladies are not Hoes.. I said why not. because he said they are white, and ONLY BLACK females are HOES.. I wanted to flip out, however I said why you are saying that.. he said” because everyone says that in the music”

Enough Said - I was done with Hip HOP over 2 months ago

Bill Said:

That was a good story and a great lesson for our young black youth.

Caucasians are very impressionable, and not to bright…

Caucasian (as well as other Global nationalities) tend to believe the Images that we project on TV (Flavor of Love, I Love New York), as well as the Music that we produce as a community (50 Cent Ludachris, Snoop Dog)

Peace

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Bill, whites are very impressionable…everything they see we have, hear, wear- they want. BITERS!!!!!.
What we need to do as a people- is to STOP sharing with every other culture except our own. You put one white girl in a video- she thinks she is the end all- be all- for her race, please! Asians don’t share with us- Middle Easterners don’t share with us, whites don’t either. Point is- we need to STOP making others feel so comfortable around us to- where as they can say anything. And if we are taking to someone outside or culture- lets not degrade ourselves. And keep the conversation to a minimum.

Bottom line is nobody wants to be held accountable. I was dissapointed by Russell and Kevin beating feet around the debate by glorifying what they do as if they are some type of Goodwill Ambassadors. So just because you give out a couple of happy meals and have a discussion that clears you of any wrong doing or responsiblility? Yeah…right. And then to acknowledge they are raising daughters in hip-hop as if their children are mingling with everyday young girls was they ulltimate slap in the kisser. SMH.

And may I just say that I hate Common for being the biggest hypocrite.

I would like to say it’s nice that Oprah and other media types want Hip Hop Artist to take responsibility for the degragation and humiliation of black woman. But its not just a hip hop thing, everyone needs to get involved. Stop fingerpointing and start solution seeking.

I do understand that we’ve allowed ourselves to be put on blast because of OUR music and expression. Yes we know pain, suffering and poverty but that’s not what’s in the videos, that’s not what’s displayed at these concerts and performances, it’s booty shaking, damn near naked females grinding on each other, stripper poles and everything else. We do need to first take responsibility for ourselves. I am 32 years old with a 14 year old son who worships hip hop. I cringe at a lot of the music he listens to but a lot of other times I make him cut it off. Not because I’m afraid of the influence it would have on him because I am raising my son not hip hop. Yet I personally have a problem with the lyrics as a black woman, it’s insulting, it’s degrading, it’s humiliating. No I’m not the gold-digger, no I’m not shaking my ass for dollars so some would say well they not talking about you. But you are. These other women they refer to are ALL OF OUR SISTERS, MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, NIECES, ETC. We fell off black people! We don’t take care of each other and society knows that. We have lost our black unity and family bonds. But then we need to address the bigger issue. So how about we all start respecting ourselves and each other before we can keep demanding “others” too.

on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

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I am a young, black, educated female that is a huge hiphop fan. It’s hard to believe that the women who were representing from Spealman College really feel that way. It’s sad that some people went on Oprah to say what they thought she wanted to hear. Half of those women are the same one’s that dance and rock off the same songs that demean us. Let’s be honest we all are guilty of it.What mad me so upset was that it wasn’t once mentioned that these women have a choice to get on the videos and demean themselves no one holds a gun to their heads, so just as they had the rappers on the blast they should have these video vixens or video hoes. They must remember it starts with us, we have a choice to say No! I’m not going to degrade myself, if these females stand up and say no, we wouldn’t see females letting Nelly slide credit cards down the crack of their asses. It’s not just the rappers that degrade these women it’s us to. those women who represented Spelman can’t sit their a say that they never called another female a ho, we all are guilty. So we are also part of the blame, Oprah just wanted to take the oppurtunity to put hip hop on blast, she thought Kanye was a poet now he has a video with Game talking about women, I guess he won’t be invited on her show anymore. It’s hard for me to say this about us females , but right is right.

Bill Said:

Can I ask you ask question ???

How many woman do YOU PERSONALLY KNOW that let guys slide credit cards down their ass ?
Seriously,
How Many Woman do YOU PERSONALLY KNOW that behave in a “Bitch or Hoe” Catagory ????

I know with me the answer would be 0.
I don’t personally know any bitchs or hoes…

Is it POSSIBLE that this is a small segment of society (Stripper, Gold Diggers Video Chicks) that the Rappers are singing about??

I mean when was the last time you went to the club, and I guy called a female a bitch or a hoe
Seriously…

Its not just hip hop. His parents didnt educate him
(Bill’s co-worker). We(us parents) are responsible for teaching our children how to respect women and black men. If I constantly bash black men I am raising my son to believe he’s good for nothing he will never respect himself or other black men. School cant teach our kids everything, school gives our children and future leaders of this world the basics. Parents are responsible for the rest. ITS A BIG RESPONSIBILITY, SO THOSE WHO DONT HAVE CHILDREN, DONT HAVE CHILDREN THINK ABOUT IT. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHILD AND YOUR CHILDS ACTIONS.

145. Decysive said: “…If these women can blame rappers for not leading by example, then they should atleast hold themselves to that same standard.”

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Wait a minute Decysive, the Spelman woman led a successful boycot against Nelly! They refuse to purchase or dance to degrading music! They offered to help Benjamin Chavis and the hip-hop coalition in anyway that they could! They went on National TV and denounced negative rap before all their friends and the world! And, most importantly to dispell the image, they are pursuing college degrees to better themselves! What more do you want from them?

You’re starting to sound a little like Imus calling them these “chicks”! What do you really want to call them? You have an elitist attitude! I don’t see the Spelman women setting a bad example! Women all over the world should be speaking out, rather than pointing fingers at each others!

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“However, they are defending who allowed herself to be sexually objectified. The fact that the female was a willing participant in the act NULLIFIES their whole argument.”

I don’t recall them defending women who participate in the acts! I must have missed that! Or….you read more into it! Someone else can clerify that for us, but in the mean time, I’ll say it again:

men and women will continue to do discusting things for money! People like New York and Flavor Flav will say and do anything a man or women tells them to say or do if their getting paid!

So, society may never rid itself of the oldest profession know to man! But, as the Spelman women have shown us, we can however, boycott the businesses who sponsor the companies who employ the people who frequent those establishments.

Don’t come down on yo sisters like Imus did the Rutger women! They showed courage for putting a face and soul behind the negative sterotype! All they are doing is saying look, we’re young ladies who want better for ourselves! I know you could see that! Don’t play the devils advocate! Never advocate anything for the devil! Don’t expect Lil Mo and Lil Kim to speak out!

Where’s the cop out now? Hip-hop has a negative and a positive side to it! The negative side needs to be cleansed! Without ground rules, white folks will continue playing dumb like they don’t know what to say and when to say it! So, take a little time to listen to everyone from your sisters at Spelman who want to be involved, to your sisters at Rutgers who became involved without a choice!

No ones coppin out!

I’ve been on the boycott of denegrating rap music for a while now. I don’t think common was the best example of “bad” hip-hop to have on that panel yesterday. He is one of the few that doesn’t scream, “bitch,” this and “ho,” that in his music. And it is still good music. I wish that India Arie had’ve said more yesterday. You could tell she was just burnin up in her seat. I sincerely feel that we as black women have got to demand more from our brothers. WE have got to STOP dancing to this bafoonery. WE have got to STOP supporting music that depicts us in a way that no human being should be depicted. IT BEGINS WITH US! I used to listen to it, download it, go to the club and shake my booty to it. I’m guilty. But when you know better, you do better. One day, I had a moment of clarity. I was sitting in my car, listening to the radio, and even the “clean” version was offensive. I was disgusted, and I just made up my mind that this was not for me.

i would like to see old school hip-hop and the new school hip hop panel….i wanna know what they think cause the point of hip-hop changed since then….

@165-TED WILL, while the very thought of that situation made my skin crisp, as you can see it was a wake up call for you. Once again to the hip hop defenders who think, “oh no don’t blame them.” I guess they will need a reality check as well to see how others around them look at us.
Co-sign with the last few posts!
BILL, I agree…I don’t associate with bitches and hoes and haven’t really been in contact with any female that I would refer to in those terms

Everyone wants to blame hip-hop for everything and its getting ridculous.

It’s not all on the artists alone, but on the people that promote the music that’s destructive, and the women that dont mind going to shake their booties and do all sort just to get money or to get recognized.

Women are so much to blame for their degradation because we allow that sort of thing to happen. If some women didnt go around being loose then a lot of rappers really wouldnt have much to talk about.

Parents should be responsible for what their children do and not try to place blame on other people.
If you raise your child up to know the right things to do, and how to act etc. their most likely going to go with that, unless for whatever reason they become terribly misguided and lose all sense of morality and their conscious.
If people taught their kids from the get go how to treat each other, how to treat women/men, how to respect yourself, then we wouldnt have this problem to begin with.

I’m 17 and I dont have kids but I do have a younger brother, and he looks up to people in the household, not people outside for guidance on what to do, and he imitates what he’s likely to see happening in the house, and knows how to behave because it’s been ingrained in him, and he’s only 10.

I hate that Oprah didnt seem to even want to understand where Common, Russell Simmon, Kevin Liles and Ben Chavis were coming from, and it was like she was just attacking them.

Hmmmmmmmm what do the Spelman girls think.They say the go to the club so they must been listening to it.

First I want to say that I commend the young ladies at Spellman College they were so elegant and classy.

Russell Simmons and the entire get the thumbs down.

Russell calling every rapper a poet is a bitch move.

Forget upseting the rappers..the garbage they are polluting the air waves with needs to stop. Kevin Lyles formely known as star jones (weight transformtion)needs to re-sign since he can’t contriol his music acts.

Thank you Angel for this post.

I’m delighted to see how many of us have great opinions.

I want to know who is doing the fucking and who is getting fucked at warner Bros. Kevin Lyles or the artist. Russell doesn’t need to be the fore runner for the Black community because he support rappers freedom of speech although young ladies end up paying for it with the constant name calling.

Russll simmons talks about proverty and still sells $50 dollars Phat Pharm jeans.wtf Get this clown off the stage get marbury a real dude up there!

I was disappointed but not surprised at the same time. Disappointed that Tuesday’s panel consisted of some of the most powerful men in hip-hop, yet they ducked and dodged the real problem. But then again I wasn’t surprised because this deameaning culture is their bread and butter.

I’m gonna be hated years to come for this opinion, but here goes nothing:

Greedy and attention seeking women are mostly responsible for how black women are depicted in this country and around the world. We really need to stop pointing the fingers at the people who are exploiters (us men) and point fingers at the supposed exploited (those women). If women would have more respect for themselves and stop trying to make a buck off their assets there wouldn’t be a market for this garbage. Flash some cash and you’ll have a woman posing in King, Playboy, XXL and videos and say they are doing whatever it takes to “make it”. Case in point, look at whenever Deelishis or Ice-T’s wife are pictured ass-up on this site and women are claming to “flaunted it” and “get that money, honey”. Whatever happened to being “poor but proud” or living in our means?

Women also need to watch who they give credit to for being supposedly smart business women. Example… Kimora Lee isn’t as smart as you think she is. She is an opportunist who took advantage and ran with it, yet people give her credit cause she has a clothing line and made butt loads of cash. But how did she get there? Do you really think she loved Russell for his looks, or saw an opportunity for advancement off of his success?

Bottom line…stop always blaming men for demoralizing the female gender. Accept responsibility women for your own bad seeds for giving you good women this stigma.

Lady kay are you serious. Please tell me Ashon Kuther wrote that!

You are totally missing the point. Nobody on that panel owned up to really anything. excpet what the white man did to African American women. All they talked about was the past the rapes the racial epithy etc.

Not the responsiblity they have as being a CEO who sign the acts and gives the green light on music before it hits the airwaves.

what do you mean WE? MORE like THEY need to stop allowing themselves to degrade themselves, which generally gives black woman a bad name.
But honestly, you can’t stop them. benjamins and never stop people from selling they soul to the devil.

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I’m gonna be hated years to come for this opinion, but here goes nothing:

Greedy and attention seeking women are mostly responsible for how black women are depicted in this country and around the world. We really need to stop pointing the fingers at the people who are exploiters (us men) and point fingers at the supposed exploited (those women). If women would have more respect for themselves and stop trying to make a buck off their assets there wouldn’t be a market for this garbage. Flash some cash and you’ll have a woman posing in King, Playboy, XXL and videos and say they are doing whatever it takes to “make it”. Case in point, look at whenever Deelishis or Ice-T’s wife are pictured ass-up on this site and women are claming to “flaunted it” and “get that money, honey”. Whatever happened to being “poor but proud” or living in our means?

Women also need to watch who they give credit to for being supposedly smart business women. Example… Kimora Lee isn’t as smart as you think she is. She is an opportunist who took advantage and ran with it, yet people give her credit cause she has a clothing line and made butt loads of cash. But how did she get there? Do you really think she loved Russell for his looks, or saw an opportunity for advancement off of his success?

Bottom line…stop always blaming men for demoralizing the female gender. Accept responsibility women for your own bad seeds for giving you good women this stigma.

Bill Said:

If I wasn’t married, I would ask you out on a date…

I CoSign 101%

PREACH kmniles !!!!!!

@ Lady K the disappointing fact is that all of the men didn’t come off as fathers they came off ass greedy coprate men. Who are exploiting the lack of education from artist. Russell said it himself that most of the acts he sign aren’t educated.

It’s hard to say in words what u wish u could say face to face.

I wish there was a visual/physical way everybody could discuss this event instead of on a forum.

Um, to #22, I had a lot of problems with your post. First, let me start by saying that yes there is a double standard. Imus got fired and he should’ve been fired, and I’m sure 98% of all rappers should be fired for the same thing but what many don’t understand is: The only thing these businesses are worried about is money. How can they get the most money? Who can they target and get the most money from? Morality has no place in business. Big business is cut throat and doesn’t care about double standards.

To #22, Eminem is still making multimillion dollars and still recording because of….you guessed it, MONEY! Eminem brings in revenue the average rapper wouldn’t! Because Eminem crosses color lines and both black and white people buy his music and because he brings Shady and Aftermath records so much money, he still has his deal and still makes his MONEY.

About the point about the club in Las Vegas. I don’t see the connection. What does that have to do with anything???

All those rappers you mentioned like D4l, Fabo, Nelly, Snoop, Akon do not owe apologies. Now, I’m not saying that calling women bitches is not wrong, because it is, but they don’t owe apologies because of the first amendment, which is free speech. I would hate it if Imus called me a nigga, because of the morality that is involved in it. But, he wouldn’t owe me an apology because he can say whatever it is he wants, its how I react to it.

Also, black women aren’t the ones who purchase the bulk of rap music so if they boycott rap music, they wouldn’t put a huge dent in record sales causing the companies to fire their rap artist. The target audience is pre-teen to teenage boys. And if the record companies and the rappers can grab their attention and get them to buy, then they get paid. If teenage boys stop buying cd’s, a huge dent would emerge in record sales, causing the companies to come up with a new idea or to fire their artists. That is all they are concerned about. Record companies and big businesses are only concerned about money and its transactions. Whether or not they offend someone or cross the morality line is irrelevant to them. They are only worried about money! Sorry if that hurts, but reality is harsh. I’m just trying to keep it real and tell it how it is

We can’t blame too short, snoop dogg or any rap artist for anything because IF WE AS CONSUMERS DIDNT BUY THEIR ALBUMS, guess what, they would be forced to switch up their game right? We would have better music if we supported the artist that are not talking about ice, rice, ass, and bitches.

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191. kmniles said:
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I’m gonna be hated years to come for this opinion, but here goes nothing:

Greedy and attention seeking women are mostly responsible for how black women are depicted in this country and around the world. We really need to stop pointing the fingers at the people who are exploiters (us men) and point fingers at the supposed exploited (those women). If women would have more respect for themselves and stop trying to make a buck off their assets there wouldn’t be a market for this garbage. Flash some cash and you’ll have a woman posing in King, Playboy, XXL and videos and say they are doing whatever it takes to “make it”. Case in point, look at whenever Deelishis or Ice-T’s wife are pictured ass-up on this site and women are claming to “flaunted it” and “get that money, honey”. Whatever happened to being “poor but proud” or living in our means?

Women also need to watch who they give credit to for being supposedly smart business women. Example… Kimora Lee isn’t as smart as you think she is. She is an opportunist who took advantage and ran with it, yet people give her credit cause she has a clothing line and made butt loads of cash. But how did she get there? Do you really think she loved Russell for his looks, or saw an opportunity for advancement off of his success?

Bottom line…stop always blaming men for demoralizing the female gender. Accept responsibility women for your own bad seeds for giving you good women this stigma.
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LOL- FINE TALK!!!

“Life for me aint been no Crystal Stairs”

165. samech said: “…Alot of the Great leaders are DEAD already!”

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Ahhhh yeah but, I’m here to tell you that the Greatest Leader died, but He didn’t stay in the grave! He rose on the third!! That’s enough to make J.Lewis start speaking in an unknown tongue!

I really do believe that we must change the way we think about leaders! Then, we can start discerning right from wrong and make sound decisions as people!
So, don’t ever forget who our True Leader is…Jesus!

About the O show, most of the guests behaved as I expected, including and I hate to say it, Common…who in my estimation TOTALLY dropped the ball. He had a rare opportunity to show people that positive rap CAN be done in a way that appeals to the mass, ie with tight lyrics and beats. Instead, he rode the wave with the IDIOTS sitting on stage with him. What a shame… And I stand by my opinion that this b.s. “secret” meeting with industry heads is just that–b.s. But I think it became obvious yesterday that we shouldn’t put too much faith in Simmons/Chavis/Liles types, i.e. the apologists. Same goes for the hypocrite radio execs like the Cathy Hughes (who had the nerve to say Obama wasn’t “black” enough while her azz provides the forum for these rappers to showcase their buffoonery and cast Blacks in that light for the rest of the world to see). Nope, true reform will come from the CONSUMERS. We have to form an all-out assault against the enemies WITHIN first. Hit them in their pockets (cuz money seems to be their god at this point) and their azzes will have no choice but to get the hell out of the way for REAL “artists” and musicians to steer this rich Black culture back home.

Wassup TWWWWIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNN!

I was thinking:
….Just last week Angel Did a Post about that little cute Dominician Girl from 106 & park (I think her name is Rosi) being on the cover of King Magazine…

Everytime I go to the Grocery Store, and look at the Magazine Rack, I either see Janet Jackson telling us how nasty she is, Kecia Cole bearing all her goodies, Ciara, Rihanna, or Beyonce posed provocatively…

THEN there are Magazines that feature The Latest Video Chick (King Magazine, XXL Magazine) with the standard Butt Shot…

I wonder what goes through Caucasians Minds when they see these magazines (that cater to young black youth) in the Grocery Stores..

The Thing that comes to MY mind is that THIS is why we as a community have the LARGEST AIDS INFECTION RATE out of all the other demographics
*Black Men make up 42 % of those infected by AIDS..Black Females make up 56% of those infected by AIDS….Blacks only make up 13% of the United States Population, yet Black Americans account for almost HALF of those affected by AIDS..

Why is THAT ??

We can’t blame That on Hip Hop !!!

Blacks need to accept responsibility for the ills of our communities.

it’s been 40 years since Malcolm X was killed.
37 years since Martin Luther King has been killed.

What have we REALLY accomplished in 40 years ??

Oh yeah, we have nice homes, fat rides, every credit card imaginable…

But our inner city communities are in maniac mode.
Black on Black Crime, Drug Dealing, Gang Banging..

This is OUR Fault.
The White man didn’t do it..
We did

Black People need to learn Abstinance, Refrain from excessive Drugs & Alcohol, or learn to use condoms..

A lot of Black Men need to stop lying about their sexuality, and make a decision as to whether they are gay or not.
* I think that DL Guys should get the DEATH PENALTY in Jail for infecting our Clean Black Woman..
Nothing is worse than a undercover Homosexual…That’s Criminal, tragic and Suicidal !

Peace

@ Samech, I see you used a quote from Langston Hughes, now that is some real poetry!!!

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Now this topic was the show down I’ve waiting for…! for a long time now we have been avoiding the music content.

i must say i am disappointed with the panel’s response,
you would of thought that people in their position and experience would have at least come out with something better than that!

I mean Russell Simmons comments on the worst poverty in America looking like Shanty houses/towns, that may be true, However he is the one making money out of the conditions these rappers come from. ! thats just exploitation!! and he attempts to justify it?!!?!!

I really don’t get him?!!?!! i don’t feel Russell had anything constructive to say at all. Maybe he should of just stayed home.
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I took the time to listen to Rap (not the clean versions) which I will admit I don’t really do too often In other words I went into my Husband’s Cd collection & sure enough there are some issues But damn It’s simple If I didn’t like what I heard I turned it off. Black and white issues will be here long after Don Imus long after they stop rapping about switching em up. The Truth is everyone is in need of change. Besides that everyone in my family is forced to listen to the backyardigans Cd at our 4 year old’s request.

AMI JANE ….how is Oprah a sell out when she’s going right to the source of the problem? the root. you have to start at the beginning and work your way up.
its a chain reaction.

hi twinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

“IF WE AS CONSUMERS DIDNT BUY THEIR ALBUMS”

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We don’t hardly buy their albums now! The majority of the sales (86%) come from white males and Mexicans! Snoop and nem wouldn’t be so rich, if they relied on us to buy they ish! Black kids already do the bootleg thing!

The problem now is, for every Snoop and Lil Mo who we get to clean it up, there will be five more Bow Wows and Lil Kims more than willing to take their place and say whatever the market will bare!!

The title of this blog is slanted! Oprah’s show was about Def Jam, Bad Boys and Phat Farm! Not Imus in the middle!

#65….thanks for the link…it was a lot more interesting and realistic than the entire panel on Oprah….but of course they wouldn’t have those people on there

Bill said:
A lot of Black Men need to stop lying about their sexuality, and make a decision as to whether they are gay or not.
* I think that DL Guys should get the DEATH PENALTY in Jail for infecting our Clean Black Woman..
Nothing is worse than a undercover Homosexual…That’s Criminal, tragic and Suicidal !

Peace
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cosigns…thanks

trinib where did you get that picture? daaaaaaaaymmmmn?

194. bill said:
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kmniles said:
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I’m gonna be hated years to come for this opinion, but here goes nothing:

Greedy and attention seeking women are mostly responsible for how black women are depicted in this country and around the world. We really need to stop pointing the fingers at the people who are exploiters (us men) and point fingers at the supposed exploited (those women). If women would have more respect for themselves and stop trying to make a buck off their assets there wouldn’t be a market for this garbage. Flash some cash and you’ll have a woman posing in King, Playboy, XXL and videos and say they are doing whatever it takes to “make it”. Case in point, look at whenever Deelishis or Ice-T’s wife are pictured ass-up on this site and women are claming to “flaunted it” and “get that money, honey”. Whatever happened to being “poor but proud” or living in our means?

Women also need to watch who they give credit to for being supposedly smart business women. Example… Kimora Lee isn’t as smart as you think she is. She is an opportunist who took advantage and ran with it, yet people give her credit cause she has a clothing line and made butt loads of cash. But how did she get there? Do you really think she loved Russell for his looks, or saw an opportunity for advancement off of his success?

Bottom line…stop always blaming men for demoralizing the female gender. Accept responsibility women for your own bad seeds for giving you good women this stigma.

Bill Said:

If I wasn’t married, I would ask you out on a date…

I CoSign 101%

PREACH kmniles !!!!!!

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Well I’m glad we agree on something Bill, but if we went on a date, that would mean we’re gay, bi or on the DL. I thought I made it clear with my post I was a man, lol.

All these women are grown who appear in the videos and such. It’s society and others who call them video ho’s when the term is video model or video girl.

And they do get paid, maybe not well, but they do get paid to appear in the videos.

Also - everyone keeps bringing up Nelly. Tipdrill was marketed to adults on an adult video show. The women in the video was paid, professional dancers & strippers. He was coming to Spelman as a man trying to find a cure or someone compatible with his sister and other’s and doing a bone marrow drive. He wasn’t there to rep his music but to save a life. I respect their opinions and the right to say it but that was the wrong time & place to do it IMO. Who’s to say what number of people who would have ween to the Bone Marrow Drive and would have been a match and saved someone’s life.

Why is it that all of Nelly’s as well as other’s like Ludacris’ more positive works and charitable acts not talked about and defended. This discussion is making me crazy b/c a lot of these people don’t admittedly listen to rap or hip-hop and are going by an older, more archaic view.

Sure what’s played and popular is not the best but go to the radio stations and request more positive songs. Not just Common or Talib Kweli but Nelly’s more positive rap and lyrics or even Jay-Z’s or Ludacris. No one does b/c that’s “soft”.

That’s the problem. Everyone wants to point the finger but they don’t want to do what it takes to show that all rap and hip hop isn’t bad.

Hip Hop and the Hip Hop culture is being made to be a scapegoat. The question is - who’s going to stand up and defend it? All of it - the good and the bad.

To be an activist and a champion for justice you have to defend what’s good and what’s bad out of something. Not just pick and choose the nice or naughty bits that suit you.

Another thought -

what about the barrage of ghetto, street, urban, hip hop fiction that readers are devouring and constantly makes the essence bestseller list?

Isn’t that a problem too? Or is it just hip hop and music? Isn’t that a part of the “hip hop culture”?

If you’re going to attack something then shouldn’t you point out everything that’s wrong with it. The books, movies, music, etc not just what you don’t like.

No one mentions the books but in one in particular - Every Thug Needs A Lady - 2 of the girls are pregnant and smoking pot. But no one mentions that.

It’s easy to attack the artist and music but whose really in control.

The solution to this issue is not just one thing. First, we need to stop bashing each other–even in this forum. We should respect the right of each of us to have our own opinions and perspective on this and other issues within our community. I’m glad Oprah chose to focus on this because it needed to be discussed publicly. I probably wouldn’t have known about the town hall meeting if she hadn’t televised it and I’m glad she had reps from most angles of the issue. That said, I wish that some others that have bashed her (Ice Cube, Ludacris, etc.) would have shown up. I, for one, believe the offer was at least extended to Luda since she had no problem calling out James Frey for messing with her reputation. Just a thought….

That said, I think we need to focus on respect, particularly self-respect. Respect is such a big thing in hip hop culture but a lot of the women in the videos don’t respect themselves enough to say “No” to perpetuating the stereotype of the anamalistically sexual black woman. The rappers don’t have enough self-esteem or respect to stop feeling that they need to promote a certain lifestyle to seem adequate to the masses. A lot of the rappers that push “making it rain” and urge us to “shake your money maker” (like that’s all black women/women have to offer the world) are unattractive or not physically representative of strong secure men. Luda, bless his bones, is a really short dude and may feel insecure that and feel the need to buy women or “get back” at the sistas who dissed him back in the day. Same goes for the Cash Money guys and so on. They are not truly powerful in the grand scheme of things so they attempt to subjugate women to a lower status and throw that new money around on worthless things (diamond grills, anyone?) to feel stronger in the world. Poor things don’t have a clue.

We ,as elders to our youth (children, neices, nephews, cousins, etc.), have a responsibility to our ancestors, ourselves and them to give them the tools so they can decide for themselves what’s appropriate. School them and they’ll say like my little 8-yr old cousin does “I don’t like that music that my daddy plays in the car sometimes because they say a lot of ‘bad words and stuff’ in them.” –And yes, I’ve told her dad to chill on that in her presence (which I could since I changed both of their diapers, LOL.– If we stopped supporting these “artists” by going to their shows (where they make a lot of dough since the labels make the most on the masters/ringtones/licensing, etc.) and buying their clothing, they would switch up to something else because it would no longer PAY. They would lose the big houses, the 57 cars they don’t even drive, the grills and be forced (perhaps) to produce art instead of garbage.

To all the concreteloopers: Peace & wisdom

SEABREEZE you go girl…I think ur one of the few ppl to get the point if all this.

Someone said “lifestyles (good or bad) are reflected in your attitudes, culture, and yes, music”….The problem is that Hip Hop is being represented as black culture…”Bitches, hoes, nigga” is what other races aound the WORLD, not just the US, think black culture is all about..The reason:

It’s being forced to us by Corporate America…The Problem? The problem is that we as a black community are ACCEPTING it…Thats the problem..

I dont want to censor rappers, but why is a “make is rain on them hoes” video being shown on a TV show (106 & park) that is being marketed to teens/children, which aires right when students get out of school? Why are we standing for this?

Good parenting is important, but remember, not all children have parents or have good parents…and those children, who are being raised by what is being feed to them, have to live in society with your children…Your child could one day be shoot or raped by a child who was brought up with that gansta mentality it affects us as a community, as a race, not as individuals..

kmniles said:
Well I’m glad we agree on something Bill, but if we went on a date, that would mean we’re gay, bi or on the DL. I thought I made it clear with my post I was a man, lol.

Bill Said:

This is embarrising…
I thought you were a female.
Sorry.
I’m as straight as they come….

on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

213. Candy said:
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Another thought -

what about the barrage of ghetto, street, urban, hip hop fiction that readers are devouring and constantly makes the essence bestseller list?

Isn’t that a problem too? Or is it just hip hop and music? Isn’t that a part of the “hip hop culture”?

Bill Said:
True !!
Cosign 101 %

Oprah is such a bully, lol. I always get a kick out of how she always is gung ho to have black people on her show when there is an opportunity to confront and attack black men. Then when she faces a black man that can refute her bullshit, she edits his comments out of the show. I’m sure that she has venom for Imus but that’s just a smoke screen for her beef with the black man. I understand the sister was raped and I applaud her ability to overcome that. At the same time she’s a lesbian and refuses to admit it and tries to cover her bitterness towards black men. I’m still not convinced that Steadman Graham is an actual person. He might be an automated robot that she uses to accompany her to certain functions, lol.

It’s funny what Imus said about the term “nappy headed hos” starting in the black community. Did it? Lol. I love how caucasians always try to spin and contort the blame to blacks when they get caught in their racism. I had respect for Imus’s honesty until he said that because then he reverted back to being a damn serpent. Hip hop has only been around for 30 years so what was the excuse before that? Is his contention that whites only started using slurs for blacks from hip hop onward?

If the black woman is tired of how she is being portrayed then you have to start with your own conduct. Just like there are weak black men, there are hoes. That’s real life. Why is it that the black man can get thrown over the hood of a police car, incarcerated for a crime he didn’t commit, be the last hired and the first fired, but Oprah doesn’t feel compelled to have a show on that? I know, because the black man is the devil, right? Lol.

As far as the things that black men say in rap music, what comes out of those brothers is reflective of what has been put in. No one on the planet earth is more maligned and castigated than the black man. Not the black woman, no one. So if these brothers are told from infancy to adulthood that “they ain’t shit, ain’t never gonna be shit”, “you’re stupid, you’re ugly”, “you’re too dark, you’re too light”, do you think that these brothers are going to make uplifting music? Then many of these brothers note the difference in how they get treated by black women after they make it big as opposed to before and it stands out as fake. Only a prostitute or “ho” will change her conduct towards you based on how much money a man has. Those brothers put 2 and 2 together. It doesn’t make it right but it is real.

If black people want to address how we’re perceived and how we perceive and treat each other than attack the source, not the product. Hip hop, like all music, is a form of expression. How the hell can you tell someone how they “should feel”. That’s ridiculous. You have to address why black men are angry but that won’t happen because people don’t care why black men are angry. We have to have a nationwide issue on how the black woman feels about being called a ho by some old white man though.

WHY U ALWAYS PROTESTING YOUR STRAIGHTNESS?????HMMMM???ALWAYS REPEATING THAT FACT AND WISHING DEATH ON DL BROTHAS?ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN?OBVIOUSLY NOT!THIS IS WHY BLACKS NEVER GET ANYWHERE. EVEN THE EDUCATED ONES LIKE YOU ARE STILL IGNORANT. YOUR DL BROTHERS WILL REMAIN DL AS LONG AS THEY KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU WISH DEATH ON THEM. YET YOU ARE THE ONLY MAN I’VE KNOWN WHOS OFFERED TO LEAVE HIS WIFE FOR ANOTHER MAN ON A BLOG LOL

Wait a minute Decysive, the Spelman woman led a successful boycot against Nelly! They refuse to purchase or dance to degrading music! They offered to help Benjamin Chavis and the hip-hop coalition in anyway that they could! They went on National TV and denounced negative rap before all their friends and the world! And, most importantly to dispell the image, they are pursuing college degrees to better themselves! What more do you want from them?
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Did I not say that he should be boycotted? I am in no way trying to excuse him OR Hip Hop for that matter, I merely expressing what I believe is the fault of their argument. If Hip Hop artists need to be more responsible to the community around them, why can’t college students, business people ectera do the same? You don’t have to be rich to see a teenage black girl exploiting herself or allowing herself to be exploited to want to mentor her.
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You’re starting to sound a little like Imus calling them these “chicks”! What do you really want to call them? You have an elitist attitude! I don’t see the Spelman women setting a bad example! Women all over the world should be speaking out, rather than pointing fingers at each others!
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You’re starting to read into this too much. I refer to everyone, who is a female, as chick. It’s a habit and is not meant as any form of disrespect. I take a great personal offense to you saying I sound like Imus because I am nothing if not a strong, proud and opinonated Black Woman. And as far as being an “elitist” attiude, where are you drawing that from? I have a difference in opinion from the ladies on that panel. If you ask me, I think it’s elitist to hold men ENTIRELY responsible for behavior we condone and participate in. That is not direct at the Women of Spelman, that’s women in general.
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“However, they are defending who allowed herself to be sexually objectified. The fact that the female was a willing participant in the act NULLIFIES their whole argument.”

I don’t recall them defending women who participate in the acts! I must have missed that! Or….you read more into it! Someone else can clerify that for us, but in the mean time, I’ll say it again:

men and women will continue to do discusting things for money! People like New York and Flavor Flav will say and do anything a man or women tells them to say or do if their getting paid!
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Excuse me if they did get on her, I personally never heard anything about them addressing her role in the act. I agree.

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So, society may never rid itself of the oldest profession know to man! But, as the Spelman women have shown us, we can however, boycott the businesses who sponsor the companies who employ the people who frequent those establishments.
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Society will never rid itself of misogyny either. The root of the problem is us as women in general. When stop allowing ourselves to be exploited and when we teach younger women to recognize & fight exploitation, we will be able to stand. But what good is it to defend women who won’t defend themselves? We have to teach self worth. And Kudos to the women of Spelman who have boycotted Hip Hop and hopefully they will do a braud outreach to teach those who could really benefit from their leadership and guidance.

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Don’t come down on yo sisters like Imus did the Rutger women! They showed courage for putting a face and soul behind the negative sterotype! All they are doing is saying look, we’re young ladies who want better for ourselves! I know you could see that! Don’t play the devils advocate! Never advocate anything for the devil! Don’t expect Lil Mo and Lil Kim to speak out!
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I’m not playing “devils advocate” in any sense and in my opinion that was another offensive remark. I don’t agree with everything their saying. That’s not to say I am in favor of rapper and especially not Imus. Those Rutgers women are exceptional. I’d have no problem chewing anyone out who was degrading women of their caliber. However, women who allow people to swipe credit cards down their backsides, will not receive the same type of respect from me because they don’t have any for themselves.

And once again, why is asking for Spelman women for their leadership in the communities around here being perceived as a bad thing? I work with a youth committee in one neighborhoods surrounding the HBCU’S and I’m a college student! I feel a responsibility to young girls around here to teach what they are obviously not being taught at home. We all have to be accountable, not just rappers!

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Where’s the cop out now? Hip-hop has a negative and a positive side to it! The negative side needs to be cleansed! Without ground rules, white folks will continue playing dumb like they don’t know what to say and when to say it! So, take a little time to listen to everyone from your sisters at Spelman who want to be involved, to your sisters at Rutgers who became involved without a choice!
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I feel like it’s cop out to require Hip Hop to care if we don’t and we feel justified in that because we are college students. Why don’t we uplift all the women who could be affected by Hip-Hop or society?

Bill,

Ahhh Lawd….not Keshia Cole bearing all her goodies, too!!! I missed that one! lol!

Janet, Halle and Stacey Dash nem will put it out there for the right price! And, that’s what hip-hop is all about! Getting paid!

The hip hop culture is not just the rap and video, its about having the audaucity to do what you must to get what you want! And, if anyone don’t like it, you get mean and vicious like Russell did with Oprah and Oprah did with the teacher and Kevin did with the ashy lipped brother! Oprah’s a master of the hip hop game!

A magazine trick is classy and easier to turn than a video trick! The negative side of the hip-hop culture can be found in rap, videos, magazines, reality shows (Rev Run), cribs, pimp my ride, 106, concerts/studios, pot, crack, text-messaging, strip clubs, speech, dress…etc!

The negative side of hip-hop thrives on breaking rules and getting paid for anything that goes beyond decency! There is a positive side too, but the definition of hip-hop is as diverse as the people who live by it!

@ Bill,.. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL i noticed that. i was wondering why you would take this man on a date.

he did state he was a man..lol thats funny

on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

210. Ne’ said:
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trinib where did you get that picture? daaaaaaaaymmmmn?

Bill Said:

Trinb, I always assumed that your avatar (see post#208)was a picture (avatar) of two MEN, based on the HANDS of the “person” that is sitting down, and the way the the man standing is holding/positioning his body….

Am I correct ?

I think a lot of post I have read I could agree with.

I found out that the panel of black men were not sincere and made a lot of excuses. All they had to say was “we are a part of the problem”. What is so hard about not disrespecting me and other black women? ….to stop the name calling such as hoes or bitch or the booty shaking! Is that all of what Hip Hop is? The women from Spellman repeatedly said how all rap was not bad.

I find Russell to be rude and defensive as well as his little brother the clown. Then the other guy made me when he told the girls the next time they in New York he would meet with them. I am glad Oprah called him out on that. I knew then he was not serious.

I beleive us as women do have to take a stand and say no. I beleive parents has a duty to teach there kids right from wrong. But why should we okay these so called “poest” to try to erase the values parents are instilling????

HOW can we expect the Russell’s to admit a problem when they are making MILLIONS off of it?????!!!!!!!

The show was a lot of talking but nothing much was said. I love Russell to death, but he avoided the issue at hand. No one is saying that “poets” can’t say what they wish. However, when they feel the need to address everyday black women as “bitches”, something is wrong and the hate is evident. I don’t believe censorship is the answer, but pressure needs to be put on these artists. For example Busta Rhymes’ “I Love My Bitch” was “I Love My Chick” on the radio and TV. Why not just say “I Love My Chick” all the time? And who the hell are these woman who allow their men to refer to them as bitches. My wife would never allow that kind of sh*t nor would I ever refer to my goddess as such. The artists just need to man up and stop doing the dumb sh*t just beceause everyone else is doing the dumb sh*t.