Those Spelman girls thought they sounded so intelligent. They have been sniffing their own asses too much with their fucking heads in the clouds. Oprah didnt give a shit about what they had to say, so poor Gayle had to keep flailing her arms to get them included in the show.

Well here comes my two cents….
First of all, I have a 10 yr old and a 12 yr old..of whom I have always taught”do not fuel ppls negative comments” The fact of the matter people is that although there is no way we could hide the fact that we were stunned by Imus’s comments, at the sametime, the man has become more popluar because EVERYONE keeps talking about it! For the love of all that is good, at some point in time we have got to learn that that is what he wants! REACTION!!!! I am in no way saying that we cannot discuss it, but basically, it is what it is. This is not the first time and it will not be the last time. We have got to move on..

The other point I wanted to make was, and at the time I can’t remember who posted it, but just because you try to keep your kids from stuff does not mean they will not get to that very thing. Instead of sheltering our children from everything, we should educate them on what is really happening in this world today. Knowledge is Power not matter what. To steal a quote from Finding Nemo”if we never let anything happen to our children, then NOTHING will happen for our children”. Protect your children, do not paralyze them.

very well put wifey.

290. DivaKai, you covered all the bases! I would add that Kevin was guilty by association! Everyone knew what team they were on! Team Rapper or Team Gayle!

There may never be a single team! What’s important is that the playing field is leveled so that everyone can coexist in the game!

-The Imus’s need to know that there are grave consequences!

-Entertainers, especially rappers and producers need to know that negative stereotype and degradation is totally unacceptable!

-The girls who appear in magazines, videos, and movies need to start acting like ladies and not like desperate sellouts!

-The networks need to know that we don’t want negative black images on public TV!

-The talk show host needs to know that her responsibility is greater than just the white women who put her in office!

-The sponsorers need to know that we are viable consumers with quality expectations!

-The world needs to know that black students are attending Rutgers, Virginia Tech and Spelman to better themselves!

-The media needs to know that negative black stereotypes should only have to be bleeped once, and after that, censored!

-The media also needs to know that violations of race relations should be corrected with positive air time and termination like Imus!

But wait, none of this will solve the problem! These are only steps in the other direction! We can do more by taking personal responsibility for ourselves! The healing that we need can only come from God! Pray on the matter and pray for all people!

Brothers and Sisters call each other names. Sometimes they get angry and sometimes they accept it and may bite back. But if someone outside of the family uses the same name against that brother or sister, it’s a different story. That’s just the way things are.

Although I do commend Oprah for having this panel I did not agree with everything that all the males on stage had to say. What I really would have liked to have seen was more females on stage, like Trina, Eve, or Lil Kim or Queen Laitfah.

FIRST OF ALL, It is the responsibility of the parents of the young children to MONITOR and BE AWARE of the type of the music their son/daughter listens to.

I don’t think any young person under the age of 18 should even be LISTENING to Hip Hop because there are a lot of sociological and physchological issues in the music that I don’t feel that these young people can fully grasp.

I am conflicted on this issue because I do think it is degrading and wrong BUT I am a 26 year old hip hop fan, and I don’t feel that the lyrics themselves is actually a reflection of ME or any black woman I know such as my mother, my aunts, cousins, sisters, or friends. That being said I don’t feel that this is a complete HIP HOP issue, although it has been going on for many years, trying to censor 50, Snoop, Jeezy, etc.
IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE MATTER!!!!!

Furthermore, the people that Oprah really should have had on were the major players Diddy, Jay-z, T.I., Jeezy, Lil Wayne, The Game, the entire G-UNIT, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, Snoop, and Ludacris. These are the popular artists in hip hop right NOW and they more than anyone could really get their point across as to why they use these words and images in their music. I love Common, been a fan since 94, but honestly, he belongs in his own league, (along with Mos Def,Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli) and should not be lumped in with the rest of these artists although I know he felt he had to represent.

We have so much farther to go with this issue and there are MANY MANY MANY factors that play into it, and it’s not just hip hop, but white america likes to use it as a scapegoat.

BY THE WAY: I AM A PROUD BLACK WOMAN THAT HAS NEVER BEEN REFERRED TO AS A HO BY MY FATHER, MOTHER, BROTHERS, MY EXES, OR ANY RANDOM DUDE ON THE STREET.

296. txsupercutie, WTH??? See, this is why we suffering as a people! This gurl done got back on that pipe and she just posting random ish all over the place! lol!

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301. SMDH said: “…Those Spelman girls thought they sounded so intelligent. They have been sniffing their own asses too much with their fucking heads in the clouds. Oprah didnt give a shit about what they had to say, so poor Gayle had to keep flailing her arms to get them included in the show.”

LMAO ~ You just wrong for that! lol!

“snidding their own asses”
“flailing her arms”

I have a special request: Let’s everyone make a concerted effort and attend church this Sunday! Pray for the Virginia Tech incident and pray for all people! I know some of you already attend every Sunday, but I’m appealing for those who have stopped going for what ever reason! Let’s get back to the source!

God Bless you!

303..Thanks, I try.

@ 307 the cover charge is too high!

Just playing 307 lol Lets pledge to change or work on changing messed up behaviors we have . Lots of people on here can work on not being so jugdgmental all the time, and stop trash talking Beyonce !! lol .Ya’ll know she the shit !

Im proud of us today on this post though, there were a few disgreements but they were done tasteful ..GOOD LOOK !!!!

Double Standard, Black men in the US call women nappy headed hos all the time but when Imus does it, its a problem. Maybe we should all just stop calling each other names.

309. Tia said: “@ 307 the cover charge is too high!”

Tia, you should only contribute if you are a member!

Visitors should not participate in offerings during their first visit!

Just go and hear a good message!

RUSSELL SIMMONS DOESN’T REALLY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE!! THIS IS THE SAME LOSER THAT WAS HANGING OUT WITH PARIS HILTON.HE’S BEEN MAKING DOLLARS FOR SO LONG HE CAN’T EVEN RELATE TO WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE HOOD.RUSS NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE YOU’RE STILL GONNA BE A BLACK MAN.THE ONLY RESPECT RUSSELL WANTS IS FROM THE WHITE MAN.I’M SO SICK OF HEARING HOW IT’S THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO RAISE THEIR KIDS,BECAUSE HOWEVER TRUE THAT MAY BE,A LOT OF THESE PARENTS AREN’T GOOD ROLL MODELS.A LOT OF THESE KIDS ARE OUT HERE WANTING SOMEBODY TO LOOK UP TO. I WATCHED OPRAH WITH MY 13YR OLD SON AND HE COULD SEE THROUGH THE BULL!!MY SON HAS FRIENDS FROM THE HOOD AND FROM THE BURBS BLACK,WHITE,ASIAN AND THEY ALL LISTEN TO RAP.AND IT’S CRAZY THE INFLUENCE RAP HAS ON ALL THESE KIDS.HIS ASIAN FRIEND CALLS HIMSELF A CHIGGA AND RAPS AND TRIES TO TALK TOUGH.ONE OF HIS JEWISH FRIENDS TALKS ABOUT BEING GANSTER.MY SON LAUGHS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT EVEN LIKE THAT. IT’S WHAT’S SUPPOSE TO BE COOL I GUESS.AND WHO DO YOU THINK IS INFLUENCING OUR DAUGHTERS WITH EVERYTHING ABOUT SEX …BEYONCE THAT’S WHO!!IS AIDS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY CAUSE WE SURE DON’T ACT LIKE IT!!AND SNOOP WHEN YOU’RE MAKING SO MUCH MONEY IT’S HARD TO SEE YOUR PUPPET STRINGS!!!

309. Tia, some messed up behaviors can’t be changed without God’s help! And, if you do attend, you might learn how God expects us to use righteous judgement, like that stans you just made for Beyonce’! That was some good judgement you used, except she be singing Des’ree’s joints without expressed permission!

Who ever told Russell Simmons that he is a spokesperson? He sounded like a complete FOOL! A lot of words, but saying nothing. The man is nearly 50 years old taking a defenseless stance. He is only trying to protect his money, and don’t care two sense about the people that he hurts.

When are we going to realize, Russell Simmons don’t have shit to so with music. Nobody on that panel had shit to so with bitches and hoes. Def Jam had a diversity of artists under Russell and Rick Rubin.

@292 Jay-Z was in Backstage, not “The Show”. Russell explained his use of the word bitch and that was filmed 13 years ago. At least Russell married the bitch he was talking about.

Let’s not act like bitches and hoes, or sluts, tramps, and skank whores don’t exist. Its when you call a respectable woman out of her name that there is wrong.

In “Backstage” there were groupies having sex with roadies trying to get to the artists. And in “The Show” there were the nappy headed hoes outside trying to sleep with Warren G. So please let’s not act like we don’t have females out here proudly degrading themselves.

They missed the most important issue…. only the lawyer address the issue that without the consumer this wouldn’t be possible.

So everyone who watches these videos, buys the music and tunes into the radio stations is RESPONSIBLE!

Without an audience, there is no income and as American is all about capitalism this shitwould end!

Unfortunately white people buy the music and te only option for the “brothers/sisters” is to create alternatives that we can listen to/watch that makes us feel “good” about ourselves! I dont feel good about myself and my community when I see artist disrespect theselves and other human beings

I FEEL THAT THE WORD HOES AND BEE’S ARE REFER TO WOMEN WHO USE THERE SELVES AS AN OBJECT. I AM AN EDUCATED AFRICAN AMERICAN SISTER WHO GRADUATED FROM A HBCU COLLEGE NOT SPELLMAN AND TO SEE THOSE LADIES WHO WAS ON THE SHOW WAS NOT REPRESENTING ME OR ANYBODY WHO LISTEN TO HIP HOP. THEY REPRESNTED THOSE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HIP HOP, WHO DOES NOT LISTEN TO HIP HOP, WHO DOES NOT FEEL HIP HOP, I FEEL THAT OPRAH AND OTHERS, WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE HIP HOP NATION, ARE TRYING TO RUIN HIP HOP BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES DOES NOT KNOW THE ART AND THE EXPRESSION OF HOW HIP HOP. 10 TO 12 YEARS AGO CONGESS MEN AND WOMEN WAS TRYING TO DESTROY HIP HOP, LIKE SUCH ARTIST TUPAC SHUKAR. ALSO OPRAH AND HER LITTLE FAN CLUB THEY FORGET THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THEY ALL LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT PIMPIN, SO THEREFORE THERE COMES A TIME IN EVERY GENERATION THAT WE (ALL WHO LOVE HIP HOP) WILL GO THREW THE SAME WITH OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN AND SO ON

QUESTION

WHY DO MILLIONS ACROSS THE GLOBE LIKE TO LISTEN TO “POETS” TALK ABOUT DISRESPECTING WOMEN, SHOOTING UP PEOPLE AND BUYING RIMS!!!

Oprah is always blaming the rappers why doesnt she ever blame the video vixens who agree to shake their asses in front of the camera.. no one is putting a gun to these girls heads saying ” you better be in my video and let me call u a hoe or else” they choose too.. If you dont like rap music more power to ya but dont go blaiming the hip hop industry because of something that don imus said that still doesnt make it right!

We’re all to blame as a society. This kind of talk did not orignate in the black community either. That goes way back to when our people were being ripped from the shores of Africa by Europeans. We buy the music, we dance to it at the clubs, we watch the videos and attend these concerts. We all need to start taking responsilbity. Records execs HAVE TO SAY NO, music channels HAVE TO SAY NO. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY CONSUMERS NEED TO SAY HELL NO!!!!! As a community we need to do better. I’m glad our dirty laundry is being aired. Maybe we can examine where we are going wrong. I am 25 and I can’t stand they way some of us in the African American community behave. As Spike Lee penned it in School Days…”WAKE UP”!!!!!

I think this discussion is going just like it did on the Oprah Show where topics go all over the place. We waste time attacking each other.

Here is the deal BLACK WOMEN. We don’t like being disrespected. Do something about it. ANYTHING. And be vocal about it. We need to demand our respect just like other minority women.

Otherwise me might as well bend over and take it and shut up about it.

Kind.

KEVIN LYLES TELL EVERYONE HOW IT FEELS TO BE A PIMP? CAUSE THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE!!! LET YOUR SON GO AND PLAY WITH TIMMY AND KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE HOODBOYS CAUSE THEY ARE BENEATH HIM!!!BEN CHAVIS KEEP SWINGIN WITH RUSS YOU TWO DESERVE EACH OTHER!!!

I found it truly ironic that during the commercial break one of Oprah’s SPONSORS was a Candie’s ad featuring Fergie!! How hypocritical can you get??? Oprah’s raging against hiphop, yet she’s being paid by a company whose spokesperson is a so-called hiphop vixen whose songs are all about using her sexuality to get money!! OPRAH WHAT WERE YOU THINKING????

Since when did this become about Beyonce. That always cracks me up.

How is Beyonce an issue in this at all? Look at what’s she’s accomplished. You don’t like her fine that’s your cuppa soup but don’t blame her for what’s going on or say that she’s the reason that a lot of black women young and old have self esteem and self respect issues.

The self-respect and self-esteem starts with the first word in each of those words - self. It’s not about everyone else but about us. If you don’t like what’s going on - don’t complain but do something to make a change.

Like my father said - you don’t get to complain if you don’t vote. So go out and make your voices and votes count, do something instead of just talking about it.

And banning, censoring is not the solution to the problem. What is needed is a real solution that will work. But you have to also know, that you can’t subject your views and opinions on me. Just like I can’t do that to you. I have a right to read, listen to and watch what I want.

Only I can say what affect it will have on me. Only I can say that’s its degrading and demoralizing to me. But if I know it doesn’t apply to me then it doesn’t affect me directly. The issue comes in on the indirect affect and backlash.

Do I see it as degrading or disrespectful? - yes and no. No because I don’t listen to Snoop or 50 or The Game or Jeezy. Yes b/c I know some people can’t separate ENTERTAINMENT from REALITY and I do know that it affects some.

So does that give someone else the right to dictate what I listen to or whatever? How about instead of asking for a ban? We do something to help the youth and get more positive images shown. How about we become mentors and big brothers or big sisters and show by our actions and words that all that what you see isn’t real or a reflection of self and all that glitters and glistens isn’t gold or diamonds.

But I listen to Nelly and Ludacris and I’ll continue to b/c I like there work in the studio and outside the studio. And I can keep doing what I’ve been doing. FFwd past a song I don’t like and if it gets to the point where I’m skipping the entire CD then I’ll do what I’ve done in the past write a letter, make my voice known and stop buying them.

It starts with self and home and God. Others have said it, but I think part of the problem is that we’re talking at each other instead of to each other so we’re not listening and not hearing what is being said.

We’re so quick to judge that we don’t bother to listen or analyze or discuss and debate.

Hip Hop is a problem, we all know it is a problem. Because Black people created and grew up on Hip HIp many of us men and women try to live it for real-while non blacks don’t-they shuck n jive then go back to their responsibile sensible lives. The sooner we as a community face it, the sooner we can heal.

How many times have you had to turn the Tv because you couldn’t stand the perverse commercials and videos that come on BET after 9:00pm–pure sleeze. None of which you see on MTV during the same time slot. Come one people We are being exploited and destroyed. Russ Simmon said yest that HIp Hop has done more for race relations than any black activist in the audience. Yea, but at WHAT PRICEEE-Clown?? Exploitation, Disenigration, break down of family/men/women and community-all for good race relations. Selling, exploiting, and downgrading your own sisters so others can get a kick or excuse me “good race relations.”

Russell calls it “good race relations” just because non black ethnicities want to say the n-word/h-word/b-word and shuck and jive with us. At the end of the day they go back to their worlds because they know it’s just entertainment-it has not solved race relations. RS needs some help man he, can’t see for all the bling bling, glitter, and gold. Common was the most well spoken and intelligent on the panel…

Z thank you …. you said everything i wanted to say

And another thing–if you haven’t noticed I am SOOO upset with Russell man. Your sisters self esteems, families, and livihood are taking a beat while you give this none sense the greenlight. I remember seeing those Beautiful black sisters that Snoop Dogg had on a leash. I was SOooo hurt man. What does that say about our men and how they feel about us? Yes it’s hard for black men, but many via Hip Hop and the HIp Hop impersionators have their feet on black women’s throat.

Let’s face it when gansta rap was out, a lot of black people tried to live it, now that Hip HOp has made another turn, many of us are trying to live that too! I LOvE Hip HOp with Alll my heart, but something has got to give. I want HiP HOP to be sexy, provacative, and edgy–but I also don’t want to be called a b or a h everytime I walk down the street because hip hop and videos says it’s cool. I’m not hearing much poetry via the radio or videos these days, but it would be nice if I did Russell.

They don’t show videos anymore on BET. It’s all about the reality shows. And “black” show reruns.

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Oprah is always blaming the rappers why doesnt she ever blame the video vixens who agree to shake their asses in front of the camera.. no one is putting a gun to these girls heads saying ” you better be in my video and let me call u a hoe or else” they choose too.. If you dont like rap music more power to ya but dont go blaiming the hip hop industry because of something that don imus said that still doesnt make it right!

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THAT IS EXACTKY MY POINT. AND THE FEMALE “RAPPERS” ARE WORST…..

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…. if you are going to have a panel on the subject, where was the “Baddest Bitch”, the “Queen Bitch”, “Head Bitches in Charges”, “bitbull [dog] in heels” and mami with the Ill Na Na

To suggest that women rappers and coochie girl video vixens bear no responsibility in this denigration is wrong.

Karla–I sooo agree with you!

Candy? Just curious can you list 5 positive things that HIP HOP has cause in the black community. I can’t believe you don’t see the break down. It is so deep. It even influences are black college graduates and black corporate America Execs. In fact, it seems many times that the middle class is trying to live it much harder than the hood-because they have the resources to try to live it. The Hood doesn’t have the money too have women take off their clothes for money, floss and interchange in n out a bunch of women, drive fancy cars. It’s not the hood it’s HIP HOP. It’s our baby. It’s affecting us.

“Bitches ain’t sh!t but hoes and tricks”… That’s from the great poet, Snoop dogg.!!

This “discussion” went nowhere. and to be honest, it made me realize that “hip hop” and russell simmons dont have a leg to stand on. Not to mention russell’s awful annoying lisp. I have never bought a rap CD, why should I, just to hear them curse me out?! however, i do not think they should b to blame for imuses comments bout rutgers and black women, they have nothing to do with this. and for russell, commmon, and others to come out like this, just says they are admitting they are the reason he said it. lets not turn this whole thing around, and make it hip hops problem. imus did that out of spite. focus should be on him, not hip hop.

I agree that alot of the female rappers, video chicks now share equal responsibility,because they help to perpectuate all that alot of these men think abiut bkack women anyway! Cant complain abotu rappers disrespecting women when you yourselves continue to disrespect yourselves for the almighty dollar ,and attention. I think that our young women need good role models to serve as an example of what we as women can acheive with perseverance, hard work,discipline, education, and self esteem-self love! Just as we have young men trying to emulate the male rappers that they see on Bet in videos , we also have young girls attempting to emulate LIL Kim ,Foxy Brown, trina, among other ladies of hiphop! I am a woman who commands respect from others because I carry myself with respect!

It is sad that russell thinks hip hop has done more for race relations than civil rights leaders. how does he think he got to the place he was at without them?

It is both. Hip hop is from the hood and part of the hood.

5 positive things -

1. Nelly’s Bone Marrow Drives which have saved 20 lives so far.

2. Ludacris’ Luda Foundation as well as countless others in Hip Hop who provide clothes, books, school books, toys, meals.

3. Hip Hop Summits which focus on financial and fiscal responsibility that teach that getting money and having money doesn’t mean nothing if you don’t know how to keep and main money.

4. All the socially responsibile songs and positive songs that don’t get played that help young brothers and sisters, women and men to know that they’re not alone and if “so and so” can do it and survive and get out of being a drug dealer or ex-con then maybe he/she can do. All the songs that say don’t give up, keep going. - Fly away by Nelly, Runaway Love by Ludacris who has used his song in conjunction with the runaway hotline.

5. Bringing awareness of the issues that plague our community. As well as bringing awareness of issues of the world into the community.

6. Providing jobs in a variety of areas where blacks, women and minorities weren’t previously

7. the biggest one of all - allowed us an avenue and means to express ourselves.

Yes I realize that that’s more than 5. All hip hop isn’t bad.

Twintron that is what I am saying…
I love Russell because his is my brother -i don’t want to put the weight of the world or all the troubles in the Black community on his shoulder, but his thought process is something else. He is in his own World. People want to critcize Oprah for being success and out of touch. How much more out of touch could be than Russell Simmons. Don’t get me wrong I know he does a lot of good in NYC-but the influence of HIP HOP is counter acting all of his good.

I don’t know how many of you remember this, but after Snoop showed up at the awards with the women on leashes. MTV did a parody of Black women sitting on all four-barking and carrying on. People were upset and lashing out at MTV. The black community was not upset with Snoop at All.Then when snoop was questioned-don’t quote me on this part “they ain’t doing shyt so they need to be led around on leashes. Google it and Seeee. People we have to hold ourselves responsible for this mess.

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@ 258

Where in my post did I specify who it is that is bringing the negative bombardment? Where did I say that whites are ones saying these things? The black community carries on the negativity that was placed in it from the time that we were brought into this captivity. How come it’s a cop out when it comes to black men but for no one else? If that’s the case, I don’t want to hear anyone complain about anything because remember, this is America. We all love each other. I don’t want to hear about racism of any kind, anti-semitism, homophobia, or “nappy headed hoeism” because everyone should ignore it, stop making excuses, and rise above it.

In any environment you will have superlative individuals that will rise above any situation they’re placed in. Just like you will have “privileged” people that become degenerates. What I’m talking about is the C student. The A student will almost always succeed and the F student will almost always fail. The C student can become an A or F student depending on the teacher, classroom, and curriculum. The C student far outnumbers anyone else so those are the ones that are the subject of discussion. You or I cannot compare what we were able to do with the average person because the Most High gives everyone a different level of insight.

Amongst black people are a group that I call “closet coons”. Those are negroes that put up a real good front that they give a damn about black people. They always have some grand “educational” or “voting” reform that’s going to save black people, lol. When asked to expound on their plan they get defensive because it involves fantasy and there’s no precedent for it’s success. They will then reflexively protect caucasians (even if whites were never brought up, lol) at all costs with knee jerk, mind control responses. “We have to look at ourselves”, “we can’t play the race card”, we can’t counter ‘hate’ with ‘hate’”, “Color don’t matter”, “what did Dr. King say brother?”, “God don’t hate”, etc., etc. Those are the same type of black people that the white man puts in prominent leadership positions because he knows that they can be bought and will mislead the average person, who is sheep regardless of color. One of the key attributes of the average closet coon is that they attack you for “seeming” to attack caucasians in any way, shape, or form even when one makes a banal statement.

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Well I do recall ASKING you a question, not quoting you as saying anything so I don’t understand why you are out in felt field with your response. If that’s not what you meant when just say “that’s not what I meant”. It’s that simple. No need to go on a rant about how you come up with some bullshit mathematical equation and scales of heirarchy to determine how you categorize black people in general…I could care less.

BTW…I love your definition of “closet coon”. I have one of my own. I define it as someone who tries to use intellect as a form of seperation from the masses. They think they’re on the same level as the very people they pretend to have figured out, and at any and every opportunity seize the opportunity to call their fellow man “dumb negroes” (probably among white people, lol) as if that puts them on the upper echelon of the universe. But little do they realize that while they’re up on the mountian watching the flock from above that they are indeed a sheep themselves (or worse yet, white man’s dog) and it hurts their hearts to acknowledge and own it.

Also I never said I couldn’t see the break down but does it make me wrong because I can see both sides. That I can see the positive and the negative.

Everyone is focusing on the negative and negating the positive. It’s not hip hops fault that this happened or that a racist white man said what he said. Look back at Don Imus’ history and the history of the united states as a whole. There you will see the problem.

We’ve come a long way in the past 50 years (cince the beginning of the civil rights movement) but we have along way to go.

And as a college graduate and a female, hip hop hasn’t made me hate myself or do something stupid or raunchy or made me do something I wouldn’t be normally predestinated to do.

If you are going to say that hip hop and the hip hop culture is the problem. You have to look at the whole entrie hip hop culture and community not just the parts that irritate you or that you disagree with.

There is more to hip hop culture than just music and this discussion and other’s like it is succeeding in one goal - making hip hop the scape goat instead of examining the real problem and problem areas. It’s blaming one thing without offering a realistic and valuable solution. This I am afraid will become an us versus them thing or an us vs us (something to further divide the black community).

Did anyone else notice, the fool that said “lets air out our dirty laundry?” or the other uncle tom talkin bout “white people dont do that?” like lets take a lesson from the great race!?!!? LOL! there was no need for this airing of dirty laundry, we leave that to Bill Cosby…by the way..where is Bill Cosby on all this?

Also, the persons she really needed to have up there on the panel were the white corporate execs getting paid off of this. because like Nikki said, Russell simmons and his cronies are the ones that are out of touch. shame on everyone that doesnt see that they are the ones that are selling out. wow the words “selling out” have been perverrsed to epic proportions!!!

Candy- I not saying I don’t respect your opinion. I am just saying if your going to make a statement or take a stand where is your reasoning to back up your statements. I am asking for Evidence of the positive side of HIP HOP and the good it is doing. Just 5, positive things because I can name about 50 negative things.

And no offense sister girl-bt I am a college graduate and a sorror of AKA-so I know all about college and class. But I see the breakdown through out. Please don’t say HIP HOP is not affecting the College Educated because they are headstrong. COMPLETE LIE. YOu have (not all)-but many men in Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi, and Alpha Psi trying to be pimps and carry out the life style of Hip Hop artists(because guess what they made it out the hood and can do it like that), renact videos, make women indesposable to their lives, and view COLLEGE- YES even COLLLege educated women who are just trying to make a better life for themselves as hoes. Many of my sorros and fellow college grad women know I am telling the truth.

THIS SUCKS! I have to speak on it, and not just for COLlege educated women. Because I can’t even imagine what the sister in the hood working at the local grocery store with a couple of kidos n no baby father is going through. what is her defense to stop black men and society from calling her whores and bithches, she didn’t go to college. She’s still a sister trying to get by. So, I have to speak on it for sisters-even those who don’t have a voice. HIP HOP has taken a turn- and I am so sorry Imus offended /hurt those young women like that, but I am SOOOOO Glad we are finally talking about it-IT is not cool it’s causing a break down in family.

Respectable Black people, Oprah, and anyone else can talk until we are black and blue in the face, Russell and his cohorts wont stop unless we make them. can we blame these men for making money?!?! if we dont like it, do what we did to imus. let the marketplace speak. dont buy the music, attend the concerts, or wear the merchandise. thats what i have been doing all along. it will work. yes we know that 80% of white kids are buying the music, but if 10% stopped, thats enough to make a blow. not to mention, we can get white people to stop buying it if we quit acting like its cool. stop dancing in the videos, stop buying the music, stop attending concerts etc. after all, white kids just follow what we do, because if there is one power black people will always hold in this country…is that we dictate to the world whats considered COOL.

And Candy your points are so weak. You say we are pointing the finger at HIP Hop but overlooking the real problem. Just what is the real problem then?? And we are not dividing we are trying to hold each other Men and WOmen accountable.

And you say HIp HOp doesn’t make you do anything that you wouldn’t normally being doing. Well I gues you are just way more head strong than the rest of us. It’s proven fact, you can’t listen to something over, and over and over and it not affect you in any way. Music influences–duh that’s what it is meant to do. All I know is when I listen to hip I even go into “Video Girl Mode.” Like girl, where the ballers at-or what sport does he play, or what does he drive?? I get all in materialistic mode. Which is why now at the age of 26 1/2yrs I am seeing Hip Hop cleare these days.

I agree with Twin. I think we can make it happen by depicting what’s cool. I just want the black artists depicting what they see in the hood “from the hood” to be responsible as well.

Now I’m off to my hip hop dance class…there is one good thing, it is helping me get down to that 130 I need for my career goals. But it’s the fun stuff–no bitch and ho calling. FUN FUN!!

@344 twintron4 …I agree all day long………

So many of us are saying WE don’t buy this or that. We don’t support Snoop Dogg or Luda or whomever. Fine. But we sure are quiet about it.

But I would like to see us MORE VOCAL ABOUT IT. WE are quick to stop supporting black men that marry/date outside our race but we can’t say out loud that Jigga Man is trying 2 pimp us? He needs to change or loose that contract with HP. Period.

When P Diddy said in one of his Raps,,,”I’ve got Asian women that change my linen after I’ve blazed them in it” One little call 2 the media and Asian women had that shut down with a quickness AND got an apology. What about us? I guess we don’t get what we don’t ask for.

Finally,

More evidence of buffoonery…See snoop disrespect his own Lawyer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwmC-6hzLpk

honestly, i think that imus shouldn’t have been fired. what he said was wrong and unjust, however rappers say worse things than nappy headed hoes in their lyrics. the black community is only causing an uproar over this becuz it came 4rm a white man. if it was a black man, then we would have been kept it moving. we have been conditioned to condone what rappers say about black women and don’t give it a 2nd thought. i feel if ur going to get down on imus then get down on every individual who has disrespected the black community, i.e. black people

Wow, I am so happy this discussion is happening. Almost 400 posts. I am not a hip hop fan whatsoever(grew up listening to old school R&B, and still listen to it to this day). I would’ve loved to see the panel consist of Snoop, Nelly, 50, Luda, Em, Queen Latifah, Lil Kim, etc. Maybe they were invited but declined. I’m sure they don’t think there is anything wrong with their lyrics or what they do. It would’ve been nice to get their take on this debacle.

I don’t see a change happening soon. As long as people defend the negativity in some rap music and continue to purchase it, change will not take place.

We as women must take responsibility for how we portray ourselves. If you dress scantilly clad, a man is going to see you as nothing but a “H”, slut, etc. We are non-human to many of them.

Society is misogynistic all the way because women have been called hos, sluts, tramps, etc., but what about men that do the same thing? We slap them on the back and say, “way to go.”

There is no incentive for Russell or anyone else to change because it’s working for them. They’re probably thinking, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

That’s your opinion. But the question becomes instead of dogging hip hop can you agree that there is positive there.

And how are they weak if they’re true? It’s often that people who don’t have a “real, vital” argument will resort to silly, meaningless arguments like you did.

Too too funny.

Yes everyone is pointing the finger at hip hop, as I and others have pointed out. And hip hop music in particular without looking at the real big picture that this all didn’t start with hip hop and it won’t end with hip hop.

Hip hop is more than just music. The “hip hop culture” encompasses music, books, tv and movies as well as magazines and radio. So you point the finger at music but don’t want to look at the positive aspects. That’s fine and well for you. But I’m not going to turn a blind eye and use hip hop as a scape goat.

As I stated there’s good and bad in hip hop.

The arguments and points I made would only be weak if they were untrue or you could prove them wrong. But for every negative there is a positive.

I must be because I listen to hip hop and it hasn’t changed me. Just like growing up seeing the drug dealers and drug addicts in the hood made me realize that that’s not how I want to be or turn out. It became a positive for me because I saw something and it helped me do better so I wouldn’t end up like that or be one of the “ho’s or bitches” (because they do exist in and outside the black culture and applies to both men and women) that are being talked about.

I don’t go into video girl mode b/c I know that money doesn’t make the man and I’d rather take a man who’ll be there for me instead of dog me. Money ain’t everything.

I’m all for holding everyone accountable but as I said it’s not just the music that showing degrading and ghettoized images.

But it’s overlooked in books b/c they’re not as popular. How is that right?

As I’ve said, if you’re going to point the finger at one thing you have to point it at the whole thing. Which is my point - don’t just blame the music or the artist b/c they aren’t the only ones doing the things we’ve discussed here.

This won’t end or change with hip hop. It takes people individually and collectively to want to change. As well as people willing to listen to varying viewpoints that are dissimilar and divergent from our own.

Bill Said:

Can I ask you ask question ???

How many woman do YOU PERSONALLY KNOW that let guys slide credit cards down their ass ?
Seriously,
How Many Woman do YOU PERSONALLY KNOW that behave in a “Bitch or Hoe” Catagory ????

I know with me the answer would be 0.
I don’t personally know any bitchs or hoes…

Is it POSSIBLE that this is a small segment of society (Stripper, Gold Diggers Video Chicks) that the Rappers are singing about??

I mean when was the last time you went to the club, and I guy called a female a bitch or a hoe
Seriously…

To answer your question, I don’t know any personally but I see how some of these girls carry themselves. I do believe that their are some females that fit this category that these rapper rap about. Do I think it’s right know I don’t, I don’t agree at all with the way we are protrayed in the videos, movies and etc. But we have to take responiblity in our own actions. And you wanted to know the last I went to the club and heard a man refer to a female as a bitch or hoe… Just last weekend, when a female kept walking when a guy was trying to get her number. This form of disrespect is live and well.

Bill Said:

Do we really need to tell the world about our disagreements, and the dysfuntional attitudes of our Young Black Youth ?

Bill you sound like house slave.

IN CASE YOU DIDN’T GET THE MEMO:

The world ALREADY KNOWS how full of self hatred we are.

IT’S BEEN LONG RUNNING KNOWLEDGE OF EVERBODY BUT US.

Imus potentially took away marketing dollars from his employer and therefore, he was fired.

THAT’S HOW IT GOES.

When young black rappers degrade black women, they are actually MAKING MONEY for their white rich employers.

SHADY AMERICAN BUSINESS MEN HAVE JOINED FORCES WITH SHADY SELLOUT, WOMAN HATING, VIOLENCE PRONE, SEXUALLY CONFUSED, PAPER CHASERS OR rappers.

I SAY: CALL EM’ OUT.

I commend Oprah for making the show.

I’m watching it right now because I recorded it and I think we have ignoring the real problem Don Imus made that comment to get the finger pointing away from him and pointed towards something else. I dont believe for one minute you could actually believe that he said it because he ehars it from the black community..What he said was racist..b4 he made the comment about “nappy headed ho’s” he said the other team should win because there were beautiful young ladies and after that thats when he called the rutgers team “nappy headed hos” and “tattoed up” and “gorillas” what is that did he hear from Hip hop music that white women should win bc theyre beautiful nd balck women are nothing but nappy headed hos NO Hes a plain racist…even though i think he just wanted to point it at Hip Hop..
we should uderstand that Hip-Hop at the state where it is right now it CRAP its nothing but hey i got money or i got beef with another rapper or i got girls shaking their booties…it all the same its become so standardized that hey to be a big rapper i need big booties or girls dancing look at the new artist Drake his somg was nice but then look at his video and i think the hip hop world is standardized with only booty shakin women in ther videos

@ Twin Tron I agree with you, but you know Latinos and White women replaced black women in vides-Rkellys I’m a Flirt and a lot more videos but I haven’t watch videos so long the only time I catch a video is on CL.

I would love to all site around a round table with you all and discuss this issue because I respect everybody’s point of view because it so different.

#318 THE BUSH

I’m not gonna come down on you too hard but let’s get something straight. Hip Hop cant defend it’self. Women have been blocked out of the game.

Lauryn Hill-MIA
Lil Kim- lost money doing a bid for a bunch of clowns
Foxy Brown- label difficulties
Charlie Baltimore- label difficulties
Rah Digga- label difficulties
Trina- label difficulties
Remy- label difficulties
Eve- hopefully working on a new record

Hip Hop has blocked the women out of the game and went on a full attack of the black women and young girls.

Now we see why the industry wasnt signing female rappers. It’s because the industry’s game plan was to destroy, objectify, exploit, and sexually berate the black woman. That’s how they made most of their money. off of sex and violence. Strong, female rappers would pose a direct threat to that strategic game plan.

ITS TIME TO WAKE UP

IF YOU HAVE A LIL SISTER OR COUSIN, YOU DONT WANT THEM RAPPING SNOOP OR 50 SONGS.

These guys are the only people who get air play. the one’s who project the pimp the most.

Yes, Hip Hop has been attacked before but this right here, is not defendable. We cannot allow ourselves to delegate who can and cant degrade us. It’s all the same hatred and self destruction.

Imus was rightfully let go. Freedom of speech does not exist in America anyway. No other GOD fearing race of people would support any business or person who projected their women in that light.

“they” fired him and “we’re” defending him bc we too afraid to look in the mirror.

THE IRONY

A white station and program fired a white man for degrading black women before ANYONE admonished the black man in hip hop for degrading his own women in the media by banning a record or video.

-TI gives Dre props for smackin the shit out of Dee Barnes

-Snoop and 50 take the local pimp nationwide

-Nelly takes the local strip club worldwide

I wont even get into Luke

Havent black women been through enough “brothers” ?

Let a sista live

Another thing is not these rappers are not poets..these rappers are looking for money.. i think that the words hos and bitch and nigga should not be used..i think its up to us not to but or listen to music which we find degrading…you find girls callin each other “hos” and bitch and nigga bc its commercialize to be cool so at one point hip hop is to blame yet its up to us to take away from it…another thing is sexism is not only in Hip Hop look at Hugh Heffner he has had like what 50 or more girlfriends and we glamourize that even his girlfriends have a show and it is portrayed as cool what is that teaching our society…I think that sayin hos and bitch is demeaning and booty shaking videos however its is up for the whole enterntainment to stop commercialzing it and go back to where hip hip gave us messages to up lift ourselves now its demeaning ourselves

YEAH I WONDER WHAT ALL THE FEMALE RAPPERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS SITUATION…

FIVE YEARS AGO R.Kelly pissed in a little black girl’s face and no one gives a damn about THAT — just like none of those record execs care what messages they are sending out about how to treat, talk about or torture black women. I view the R. Kelly incident and the sexual violence in rap as part of the same problem. BLACK WOMEN are not VALUED by this society! And I disagree that women have to fight for the right to be respected. MEN of all ethnicities should stand up and say ENOUGH!! It is a man’s RESPONSIBILITY to protect his daughters!! I am so disgusted with RUSSELL SIMMONS. He has two little girls. Maybe he thinks his money will protect them — but guess what?? THEY WILL STILL BE VIEWED AND TREATED as BLACK GIRLS(even if they are mixed with Asian). That attorney (don’t recall his name) was one of the few voices on the show that made ANY SENSE. Kevin Liles and Russell Simmons talking about rappers are poets came across as ridiculous clowns. (although i do believe many rappers ARE poets - those aren’t the ones we’re referring to in this discussion) That asian dude that killed all those people at VTech was a poet too — Nikki G. kicked him OUT OF HER CLASS because his so-called poetry was filled with rage and violence!!

Wow, I didn’t realize that so many man and women felt the same way as I did. That makes me feel so much better about us as a people–at least many of the men are using that scapegoat-”we aren’t talking about all women just some.” Black men and even the Game, TI, and others on All HIP HOP acknowledges that Oprah is wrong for not allowing some rappers on her show.

They are acknowledging some of the music is messed up n wrong. I wonder if HIp hop artists know how we Really feel. Maybe they do and that is why Hip Hop-which used to be Our own–has gone so mainstream and is no longer one of signature sounds….Nah it’s the money.

Don’t get me Wrong hands down Lil Wayne, TI and many of the others Are Phenomenial Artists and Poets. But maybe instead of fans and young women running up to them for autographs–Maybe in a caring respectful way-we should let them know that we feel some of their work is hurting us. I am hurt sometimes when I hear black men talk about spewing personal fluids in black womens faces–and how his college broad gives good brain. It’s so embarrassing.

It’s not about forcing people to do anything. It’s making you think. Why do you listen to music that denigrates you? Just being exposed to videos in which black women are objectified, listening to them call YOU ‘b*tch’ and ‘ho,’ why?

I disagree strongly with Russell Simmons. Hip-hop does not need to put down women. We shouldn’t sacrifice black women so that a select group of black men can talk about their experiences. Don’t call me a ho. Deal with your own sh*t. Rappers these days aren’t talking about injustice of any sort. It’s women, sex, money, fashion. It’s sad that this is what the majority of society sees of black women in the media today.

It’s not excusing Imus. I’m guessing he wasn’t watching 106 & Park. This is a matter of what we are willing to stand for. Yes, rappers can make whatever they want, BUT if you stop supporting those who spew hate and disrespect, they will have to change or be yesterday’s news.

Ok. correction educate yourselves! how many of you are from the original generation of rap music. Originally rap music was the voice of young black america and yes, there were the beastie boys and mc search’s but the sugarhill gang, run dmc, father mc, salt and peppa, common, de la sol, rakim, epmd, the lost boys, etc. were OUR voice. OOPS! I dare not forget dana dane, slick rick, doug e fresh, mc lyte and queen! life was fun thén. we were about educating ourselves, dancing, and still being respectful. most of us had our mother and father in the house! and if we didn’t we still had the neighbors that helped raise us. prince was the nastiest one out then but he was clean compared to most artist these days. we rapped about love, empowerment, our parents and life. now most rappers rap about money cars and dope! that is a reflection of their environment. keep it real! when did it change? when white music execs and corporate america started throwing money at these rappers and huge advance checks and told them their lyrics were club bangers woulldnt get airtime because society has changed. you can’t blame a kid that came from nothing, sees people getting shot all day, seeing their crack head mother sell her ass for a rock, father dead or in prison you can’t blame him for telling his story. and yes he calls some women hoes. those r the groupies that chases him n the club and sleeps with him and his boys for FREE! OR dances butt ass naked for FREE not because she has kids to feed and noone there to help her but because she thinks that shit is hot and that’s what she wants to do for the rest of her ife. oprah I invite u to liove this life. I’m 35 a product of original hip hop. oprah is 52 a baby of the civil rights movement. I empathize with her but what she fails to realize or even admit is that the words nigga bitches and hoes don’t define e nor her. these words’ definitions have changed with integration and that is what she must accept. it still doesn’t mean they are ok to use bcz the represent pain.

Finally, those that put common, jayz, nas, mos def, biggie,common, kanye, pharrell, pac in this category really don’t listen neither do they understand these artist. they are the true lyricist of today and yes they all have at some point used nigga hoe bitch, etc but did u listen to the context or pretense under which they used these words. Educate yourselves metaphorically and several of them (if u truly listen to their entire cd) explain the difference between bitches, hoes and real women in their lyrics.

This was a very good show. I only caught the last of it but It was worth watching what lil’ bit that I saw. I love Common… umm ummm

I have no idea why some idiot is bringing Islam, to this cuz I’m Muzzi, and I don’t appreciate when someone talks shit about my Religion.

Anyway I think the issue is some rappers true, BUT i think the issue is very Diverse!!, I have no idea why the ppl speaking don’t bring up ASIANS, its the WHOLE WORLD, not just black and whites.. it’s an issue with Black, White, Brown, Yellow, whatever else colors left, Its an issue with every Race, I’ve seen Different Types of Asians say N–ga, I’m brown, and I’ve never said N–ga to anyone!! No offence to women, but one of the reasons ppl keep saying is Cuz I’ve never HONESTLY seen any protests or nuthing going on, when did it happen?? Im only 19, maybe it happened when i wasn’t born or when I was young, But recently shit NEVER HAPPENED, you gotta take a stand. I dont hate women, I love women, I was heart broken when i broke up with GF.

And I’m not saying its all the Womens fault, but they are without any doubt a major part of the problem, when we down at clubs they dont give a shit, in school they dont give a shit, they like the song!!. I’ve never met anyone who hated rap because of what they rap about.. in the video the women are acting like they only have a little bit to do with the issue, but the truth is they are the major part of the problem IMO, along with the PARENTS!! PARENTS ASWELL!!, as a brown guy, I’ve been beaten as a child as many of us Asians are. And I think honestly raise your Child correclty, I’ve been beaten and I swear to god I’ve never used the word N–ga infront a person. Never!!, I luv Rap I luv RnB, I’ve been listening to it since like 5yrs now i think, ever since I started liking music it was eminem and then 50 and so on.. But I’m not an Idiot, I know whats what, I ‘ve been taught as a child to respect!!, and thats the real issue its the Parents, man if your child using that language beat him/her!!! now I kno ur thinking wtf thats bad, No IT AINT, it happens in Asia everyday, DO YOU EVER SEE A ASIAN IN THE STREET DOING DRUGS?? YOU ONLY SEE WHITE OR BLACKS, THE REASON IS PARENTS!!, Black ppl is exceptional because of the way you guys have been treated so its understandable that this happens because of the circumstances of many of the black community.. But the Reason there are kids on the street is because of PARENTS!, u guys gotta teach ur kids properly, and if they do wrong beat them I DONT MEAN HARD or nothing, ppl think when Asians are beaten its hard, yuo aint gonna die!!, it’ll sting yeah, but it works!!, it’s been working ever since, and when you grow up even when your stronger then your parents your used to respecting EVERYONE, you wont lift a finger at ur dad/mum !!, because you were raised for the past 15-16 years and hit when u did something wrong, so as an adult now you respect everyone!!, it makes a difference!! anyways Rappers gotta stop using these words aswell, for some of the stupid kids

360. JetBlackJones said:

FIVE YEARS AGO R.Kelly pissed in a little black girl’s face and no one gives a damn about THAT — just like none of those record execs care what messages they are sending out about how to treat, talk about or torture black women. I view the R. Kelly incident and the sexual violence in rap as part of the same problem. BLACK WOMEN are not VALUED by this society! And I disagree that women have to fight for the right to be respected. MEN of all ethnicities should stand up and say ENOUGH!! It is a man’s RESPONSIBILITY to protect his daughters!! I am so disgusted with RUSSELL SIMMONS. He has two little girls. Maybe he thinks his money will protect them — but guess what?? THEY WILL STILL BE VIEWED AND TREATED as BLACK GIRLS(even if they are mixed with Asian). That attorney (don’t recall his name) was one of the few voices on the show that made ANY SENSE. Kevin Liles and Russell Simmons talking about rappers are poets came across as ridiculous clowns. (although i do believe many rappers ARE poets - those aren’t the ones we’re referring to in this discussion) That asian dude that killed all those people at VTech was a poet too — Nikki G. kicked him OUT OF HER CLASS because his so-called poetry was filled with rage and violence!!

>>>>>>>>> Amen! Had the girl in RKelly’s tape been white, he would have already been locked up. That clown Kevin Liles got offended for being called a clown, yet he doesn’t understand women taking offense for being referred to as hoes all day long. The irony. People can call Oprah a sellout all they want, Oprah was and is still helping Katrina victims, Oprah gave back to the community before Katrine, Oprah is building up schools in Africa. MLK and Malcolm X would be ashamed if they were alive, Aaron McGruder creator of The Boondocks showed it perfectly. Russell Simmons sold his culture and soul a long time ago and stopped being black over 10 years ago!

The thing these rappers need to realize is that they came from a woman. How would you feel if someone called your mother or sister a hoe. This is not music these guy are making. What happened to music that had meaning. Russell Simmons kept saying these come from poverty and so forth; that does not make it right to call someone a name. Does it make right for a man to beat a woman because he saw his father beat one? NO! I am a 29 yr old african male, and I will not support this kind of music, radio jock and so on if this is all they have to say about people.

Harris, Chante, Ethiopi!!!

You are All Right! Especially, whoever said, Kels would be locked if the girl he made a sex tape with was white. The community would be outraged whether she was willing or not, but bc she’s a young blackie oh well–you know jus like Imus said–”This is how their culture is” And I loved the point about Kevin L. being offended for being called the clown he is. When is a okay with Blck women being slander and exploited.

Maybe we should March on them like they performed jus like the Million Man March. People let’s come up some good Realistic ideas of what we can do to send a message to Hip hop moguls and artists. I shot Oprah an emailing commending her for being brave enough to have the discussion. I asked her what could we do to help??? Because there are so many brothers and sisters ready to tackle this issue. We can’t wait for Kevin and Russell to have their little “Meeting” it is not going to help A thing–we could see that just from they way they were talking.

I’m so glad the young sisters at Spelman took a stand-if you don’t stand up for yourself who will. No wonder So many great and respectable women derived from Spelman.

No MOre Exploitation!!!!!!!!!! Oprah’s trying to help us, we have to jump on board now. It’s tough because I know Oprah doesn’t want to take on these guys on her own. They are such a big part of corporate America and a large number of the few Afrian Americans who are Millionaires. This going to be tough cause Money talks and BS walks. HIP HOP is trying to discredit O by saying oh look her audience is WHITE she’s out of touch=well damn HIP HOP’s audience is white now TOO!! And fur coats, exotic beauties, 5 & 6 homes, and big pimpin is not in touch with the hood either my friends. Whoever is saying Russell is the sell out is right! I’m goin to look up that info about Aaron McGruder that Chante was talking about.

357. LOUISE said:
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Women have been blocked out of the game.

Lauryn Hill-MIA
Lil Kim- lost money doing a bid for a bunch of clowns
Foxy Brown- label difficulties
Charlie Baltimore- label difficulties
Rah Digga- label difficulties
Trina- label difficulties
Remy- label difficulties
Eve- hopefully working on a new record

Hip Hop has blocked the women out of the game and went on a full attack of the black women and young girls.

Now we see why the industry wasnt signing female rappers. It’s because the industry’s game plan was to destroy, objectify, exploit, and sexually berate the black woman. That’s how they made most of their money. off of sex and violence. Strong, female rappers would pose a direct threat to that strategic game plan.
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C’mom now, many of the female rappers you list came in the game saying worse shit about themselves than any man ever could have - RESPECT YOURSELF !

Lil Kim - Queen “B” [Bitch]
Foxy Brown- Ill Na Na [Coochie]
Trina- Baddest Bitch - with some lyrics was than a porn movie
Eve - Pit bull [dog] in a skirt
BWP - Bytches with Problems
HWA - Hoes with Attitudes
Jackie-O -

Female rappers who have respected themselves and succeeded -

Queen Latifah
Salt n Pepa
Lil Mo
Missy
Left Eye
Monie Love
Sister Souljah
Yo Yo
MC Lyte

See there was a time when female rappers was about rappers and lyrics, the art fell off when they figured that they could get buck naked coochie girls to spit all kinds of garbage lyrics about themselves and their sisters for a dollar.

You’re right strong female AND MALE rappers who are not willing to sell their souls to the devil can’t get a deal.

I just watched the show last night and thought it was very funny how no one was present that used the lyrics, but those that were on stage were going around the issues and basically protecting the “poetic” lyrics. Realistically, how can you call yourself a poet when you always talking about smacking some azz. Rap has just become nothing but strip club anthems, but what’s worse is the women who take on strip club dancing and clap their butts all over the place. I would have to agree that WOMEN are a huge part of the problem. If they stop trying to call themselves “models” when slutting it up in a video, there would be no video and more of an urgency to be creative. Everything is so cookie cutter now in videos and music. I don’t buy rap cd’s because how many different ways can you talk about money, power, cars and sexing. Goodness!!
Hip-Hop is a very big influence. Go to the movies or a mall, every black male looks exactly the same in the way they dress. The culture is very big now and needs to be managed in a better way. Diversity in Hip-Hop is very slim, which makes it less attractive as the years go by. The sad part is that we people who are over 25 can remember when rap was great and very diverse, but the kids growing up now don’t get that. They get this garbage that is playing now.
As far as the show goes, I do agree with several post that Kevin Lyles was very offended for being told that he associates with clowns, but calling somebody else a b or h is acceptable?? What?? Stanley Crouch (I think that’s his name), made a very fine point that we don’t find KKK ignorance acceptable, but we find ghetto provity ignorance being acceptable. Society is so twist. Russell had no point on being up there. Ben Chavis sounded really stupid when he told the girls at Spelman that he would work with them, whenever they get to New York. These are some millionaires sitting on stage being might cheap at the wrong time!
It’s just sad!!

TO ANSWER ANGEL’S QUESTION ON IF BLACKS SHOULD TAKE THE BLAME: NO NO NO!!

Don Imus did not say those things about the bball players at Rutgers because he soooooo heavily influenced by hip-hop. Please!!! to suggest that is re-dic-u-lous!!!

If this were 1835, 150 years before hip-hop was born, and Imus was alive he would have said the EXACT same thing if he saw dark skinned slaves women in the same area as house slaves. He woulda said “Look at those nappy headed whores”.

In the show he went on to compare the dynamic on the court to the School Dayz Jiggaboos vs. Wannabees.

HE SAID THAT! it came from his mouth and his racist sentiment that his racist white supremist grandfather past down from generation to generation.

BLACK PEOPLE: STOP BLAMING YOURSELVES FOR OTHER’S HATRED OF YOU! MY GOD YALL, MAYBE WE ARE BACK IN 1835 BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED.

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@ blackbutterfly
your comment was highly insensitive. oprah was raped by her unlce and friends of the family and last time i checked, raped women aren’t hos. that is why she got pregnant as i recall and even if she had gotten pregnant by someone who didn’t rape her, you will never understand what she went through unless you went through it yourself so don’t ever call a raped woman a ho

Well, Meatloaf, I apologize if I have offended you. However, I do know that Oprah was raped by members of her family and it is my understanding that she did not become pregnant by one of her relatives. I am not that insensitive because I was a victim of incest myself. Oprah said herself, that she became very promiscuous at an early age. So, is there a difference between a ho and one who is promiscuous?

Peace be unto you

Russell had no point on being up there. Ben Chavis sounded really stupid when he told the girls at Spelman that he would work with them, whenever they get to New York. These are some millionaires sitting on stage being might cheap at the wrong time!

MRS observant–laughing at you right now. The way you put it is tooo funny… You’re right.

@ blackbutterfly

Wow, sister you are incredible. Don’t you know that after young girls are molested or raped they become permiscious to try to win back the power that was taken away from them.

For instance, if a young girl is raped to deal with the trauma and pain, they make like sex is nothing to them. They pretend Sex and virginity is not personal or sacred because they were stripped of theirs.
They play a psychological game so they can go on with life with some dignity. This way they don’t have to deal with the fact that something so horrible and unjust has happened to them.

I can’t believe you called a molested girl and a woman who has done so much for us a people a Whore. How old are you-and maybe you should get some help to? No pun intended seriously.