Ti,Wayne,Luda,Jigga and company have been talking disrespectful about women because some women actually allow themselves to do it.Even girls brought up in a stable environment- some of my use be friends.I think sex is good, but people think it such a bad thing that it can’t be expressed in an artiscally way.It all ruins the moment when those “words” come in.

Female rappers of today should be shamed of themselves.

Lil Kim - Please she been talking recklessly since she been out and it never changed.
Foxy - Came out at 15 talking about her nana
Trina- Nasty lyrics when she came out,said Trick wrote most of her lyrics so she was selling herself to the devil, but she had no voice to even say no
Eve - She was ok not sure if she was talking recklessly in her lyrics
Jackie-O - No words, she nasty too
Khia - My Neck, My back, never liked the song.

And I agree that these women right here got the respect because they respected themselves.

Queen Latifah
Salt n Pepa
Missy artistic way.
Left Eye
Monie Love
Sister Souljah
Yo Yo
MC Lyte

If female rappers of today told us who their inspiration was example like Queen Latifah, Salt n Pepa I would laugh.

I don’t know about all that..but, Oprah homegirl Gale was lookin pretty straight.

@Lihara
i saw pics of the tennessee team and they are mostly black girls so i’m not sure where you are getting this “white team” idea from

does anyone know if anymore shows will be dedicated to this or is it being left up to the “town meeting”?

373. blackbutterfly asked: “…is there a difference between a ho and one who is promiscuous?”

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Both are random sex acts indicative of spiritual problem, but she could be nymphomania, which is likely a chemical imbalance giving her excessive sexual desires!

Hoe is a noun…used in a sentence: “That hoe had some nappy hair!”

Promiscuity is a verb…used in a sentence: “Desperate housewives are promiscuous”!

Someone who has been victimized could have psychological issues, which can be treated! Hoes are promiscuous and promiscuous women are labled hoes! Nympho could be termed a sickness, but a hoe could just be looking for gratification, money, drugs and dick! The Nympho only wants more and more sex!

Many children in the foster care system are victims of rape, incest and neglect! Their placement charts will usually warn that they are prone to “act out” sexual behavior as a result of the molestation! These children should be in protective care until they reach an age and with proper treatment they can exist on their own! Ideally, they get married and live happily ever after with someone who can keep up with them! lol!

Now, blackbutterfly listen to me! My heart goes out to anyone who’s been abused or violated! I’m not trying to down play the seriousness of Oprah or your past! I’m feel your pain! God has brought you through alot!

My only point with Oprah is that, she was willing to be the spokesperson for a terrible condition and she’s was rewarded tremendously. On the same note, Russell was trying to say that these rappers have been rewarded tremendously for being the spokespersons of terrible living conditions in black communities!

Oprah was abused by a family member in a bedroom or car and the rappers suffer from the neglect of living in slums! Both are getting paid to tell their story!

I’m not sure what post you were apologizing for (373), but I can only recall being offended once by someone on CL, and that was from my Boo…Angel was lurking at some man’s body like she didn’t care if I knew! That ish hurt! hehe!

Developing…!

MOGUL ‘RAPS’ REV. AL
NO AWARD, NO PEACE: HIP-HOPPERS PULL 15G
By CARL CAMPANILE and DAN KADISON

REID OUT: Ludacris’ record company wants $15,000 back from…

April 19, 2007 — The Rev. Al Sharpton’s annual convention hit a sour note yesterday after a major record company withdrew financial support for the gathering, sources told The Post.

Universal Music Group demanded that its $15,000 donation to Sharpton’s event at the Sheraton Hotel in Manhattan be returned after the civil-rights leader nixed plans to give an award to L.A. Reid of Def Jam, a Universal label.

The Post reported yesterday that Sharpton “suspended” the planned James Brown award for Reid because he handles a stable of foul-mouthed singers, including the notorious Ludacris.

Sharpton believed the recognition would have been inappropriate and hypocritical in the wake of racially insensitive comments made by Don Imus.

Associates of Reid contacted Sharpton’s organization, the National Action Network, to have their contribution returned - and quickly, sources said.

Also in protest, Def Jam founder Russell Simmons didn’t buy an anticipated two tables to a dinner last night at the National Action Network confab, sources said. Tables are priced at $10,000 each.

Sharpton suggested the reason Simmons hadn’t paid for the tables is that he is retaliating for the reverend’s criticism of rap lyrics.

“Oh, you only bought tickets if he would agree with us on lyrics?” Sharpton said. “You weren’t supporting the civil-rights cause, you weren’t supporting the fight against police brutality? I’ve been against the lyrics all along.”

Simmons denied that he didn’t buy the tables and said he still planned to pay for them. “My credit with the rev is good,” he said.

Earlier yesterday, Simmons’ Hip-Hop Summit Action Network abruptly canceled a press conference at which the organization had planned to announce measures to deal with the use of racist and misogynist lyrics in rap and hip-hop music.

The group hosted a closed-door meeting with more than 20 record execs at the Upper East Side home of Warner Music head Lyor Cohen, as well as a later Midtown get-together, said a source familiar with the meetings.

The source said the group, which was making an “honest effort to look at the issue,” scrapped the afternoon press conference so it would have more time to plan a major summit it hopes will address the issue.

At the National Action Network meeting, which kicked off yesterday and runs through Saturday, Sharpton said he didn’t care if Universal and Simmons were yanking their financial backing.

The policy board of Sharpton’s group yesterday voted to wage a campaign to clean up misogynistic rap lyrics.

A Universal Music Group spokesman said there are no hard feelings over Sharpton’s withdrawing the award for Reid, and didn’t ask for the return of its $15,000 donation.

“It’s absolutely not true,” said a Universal Music Group spokesman. “We didn’t ask for it back.”

Sharpton also announced that former President Bill Clinton will be a guest speaker at his group’s conference today.

carl.campanile@nypost.com

i feel that the real issue is not being addressed on oprah while i am disgusted by the way women are portrayed in rap videos, this is not where it all begain. if i am not mistaken heavy metal, rock, movies, commercials, buisnessmen with escorts services, are all the problem. don imus has taken the focus off of him onto the hip-hop community as an EASY target because of its already controversal impact on the black community. now they rap artist have to deal with the backlash of his stupid tirade. women have been disrespected and made less than a whole individual for centuries and now all of a sudden it is hip-hops fault. might i add that there are some women who revel in it and are more than willing to be a sex object. i did not see any video vixens on the show defending themselves. melissa ford, karren steffans, nor buffy the body represent themselves in a positive reflection of womanhood. shows like flavor of love show women acting like ladies of the night all for money and nothing else. women need to take responsibility for the way we are represented. buffy the body makes a killing on her website showing off her absurdly huge buttocks. dont get it twisted, this is just another way to blame the hip hop community for disrespecting women who dont even respect themselves. don imus disrespected black women because he felt that he could and because they were vulnerable. him blaming it on hip-hop was an alibi that everyone fell for and his way of putting the focus on someone and something else. that was his cowardly way out and everyone fell for it.

Well state Melissa.I agree with you.He use Hip Hop as as excuse he knew he could.

Al Sharpton need to sit down.

379. Meatloaf
375. Nicki

Let me set the record straight for my comment in regards to Oprah’s promiscuous past. I was not calling Oprah a HO!! Maybe I should have been more clear in my statement and should have said that is how some people usually stereotype women who say that they are/were promiscuous regardless of her circumstances.

375. Nicki said:
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@ blackbutterfly

I can’t believe you called a molested girl and a woman who has done so much for us a people a Whore. How old are you-and maybe you should get some help to? No pun intended seriously.

Nicki, I know too well about molested little girls and HELP (through very little counseling but with a lot of patience and prayer) is why I am able to speak about it just as well as Oprah. I may not be a billionaire with money but I am rich with love for my people who I help on a regular basis as well. As for my age, I am a mature adult with children in high school. At this moment I am mentoring teenage girls who have been raped, molested and living in foster care. I asked the question “What is the difference between being a ho and being promiscuous” because one of my girls asked me. I am not perfect and don’t put on as I am. I am striving to be upright and try to help those that I can while I am on my journey. I thank Meatloaf for his breakdown, however, try explaining that to 11-16 year old girls who sleep with boys to fill a void.

It’s called DIVIDE AND CONQUER people. I know Im not the only black person that grew up in URBAN AMERICA. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. America has a problem with admitting and dealing with RACISM. No 60 year old white man would even listen to “Thugs” unless he is a cop. How on earth could BLACK PEOPLE MISS THIS and allow RACSIM. America has shoen us one thing that in the time of a crisis, helping black people is not their problem. So stopping brothers from saying B**** and H** will do what to RACISM? So IMUS was fired but BLACK People are allowing RACISM to fall to the waste side once again. Look at history. they did this to the black panther party. and here we are again letting the divide happen. They know together we are UNSTOPABLE but divided they can keep whipping our BUTTS

375. Nicki said:

Don’t you know that after young girls are molested or raped they become permiscious to try to win back the power that was taken away from them.

>>>>>> I agree with everything you said, and having studying psychology I can confirm that. All molested girls and women don’t react the same to their trauma (humans are not programmed to all react the same way to a same situation). While some refuse sex, others become promiscuous to convince themselves that they got over rape and are in control, some even become strippers for that reason, most of those women never verbalize their pain they keep it all to themselves. These girls, I don’t call them hoes because that’s a post-trauma reaction, that is not FUN for them. They are mentally unstable and hate themselves, need help, guidance, to be listened to and real love. People have no clue. I have a cousin who got raped and became promiscuous, and she used to also drink to escape from the pain of being in her body. People called her a drunk hoe, but she was a mess outside cause she was a hot mess inside. She is now “found” and stable, after 2 years of professional help, and now she’s helping molested girls and women who go through this.

Hip Hop or Rap is not to blame for women being disrespected in any way. Men are not to blame for calling a female a bitch or a hoe. Women are to blame! Yes, i said it. I can’t call a dog a cat. I can’t call a bird a pig. It’s as simple as that. If women are not respecting themselves, they can’t expect or receive respect. True there are men out there who do call women hoes and bitches when she is not one. That not because of rap lyrics, that is lack of home training. Ignorance at its best. Those men are just little boys who can’t recognize the difference. The real blame is in the parenting and upbringing. I listen to all rap, but I also know the difference between right and wrong. I know difference between a woman and a hoe. Yes, they are out there in the flesh. Women need to take responsibility in the way they are seen in the eyes of the world. Yes there are alot of women who are on top of there game rather it be making alot of money in the buisness world or holding down a household. They are not in that category none what so ever. Those women need to take more of a roll in the young ladies lives than society showing them what a women shouldn’t be. If we blame hip hop and rap, then we are cowards and hiding from the truth. As a race we need to look at the way we are raising our children instead of letting society raise them. Men and women are responsible for how our children are raised and taught in the world. If children have the right upbringing the chances of them becoming criminals, bitches, or hoes are alot less. Even if society makes it alright to do things that we as people see is wrong, our children will have it in their mind, body and soul to reject what society is feeding them and make a change. As a race we are to blame for these recent events. We shouldn’t take Oprah’s show serious, or Jesse Jackson, or Rev. Al Sharpton. They are just busting shots in the dark with no intentiion on correcting the problem they are just trying to correct their pocket and fame.

I blame hiphop. Heal it or kill it.

386. EASTSIDERIDER said:

Loving your point.Its mad real.Im still surprised Rock music hasn’t been mentioned…

Russel is full of $&^T ya know

@Butterfly–sorry for the mis understanding. I see your point.

@Melissa

Melissa said: don imus disrespected black women because he felt that he could and because they were vulnerable. him blaming it on hip-hop was an alibi that everyone fell for and his way of putting the focus on someone and something else. that was his cowardly way out and everyone fell for it.

Melissa-it’s not what we fell for it’s called self examination. As been said over over and over. No one is saying that don imus is not a racist. But, the fact is this is not the first time something like this has been done or said supposively out of humor. It’s not right for blacks to crucify Imus–when some of the Hip Hop community is doin way worst. Except for the White man holds his people accountable while we turn a blind eye and always try to point out racism. What about self hate. As state by another member When Kelly did what he did to the 14yr girl-which also wasn’t his first offense. Black Preachers, everybody and their mama and daddy was defending him. If the young girl had been white-somebody’s ass would be in jail. We have got to stop devaluing our women and our people man.

We aren’t saying Imus is not a racist, but this is a good opportunity to look at what we as people are doing to our women as well. And although, Imus is a jerk and a racist-he’s right-what he did is nothing compared to what Hip Hop does. We always try to hold a microscope over the “white man” what about us huh? Oh that’s not cool to talk about huh?

I rest on this matter until there is something physical I can do to help the cause. And I digress…

I’m a teacher in the inner city and the majority of my students are living in poverty. It baffles me that they want to do their African-American projects on rap artists. I do believe it’s admirable that a lot of these artists are successful after surviving tough childhoods. However, it disturbs me because they don’t use their voices to uplift our children. Okay, how many times can a person rap about hos, clothes, ice, drugs, and cars. Rap is dead…everyone is too afraid to be different. I can’t tell these rappers apart anymore. It’s time they step up and give our childen better role models!

Do y’all remember “Bet Uncut”

If not, here’s is the link for most of the most profane video’s ever seen on TV

http://www.purevideo.com/video-bet+uncut

The Black Men are rapping, all the while the black woman are dancing provocatively…

* I think BOTH Young Black Men & Young Black Woman are responsible for the state of Disrespect going on in our community

The same dirty people that are bashing our male rappers SAY NOTHING ABOUT JERRY SPRINGER, WHO HAS BEEN ON FOR YEARS, MAKING ALL AMERICANS LOOK LIKE PURE D FOOLS, GLORIFIES INCEST, SEX CHANGE, TRAILER PARK TRASH, AND EVERY DEGRADING THING ON THE PLANET.

THIS FOOL OPRAH HAS HATE FOR ALL BLACK AMERICAN MEN AND WANTS TO INSTITUTE A DOUBLE STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR FOR THEM. SHE HATES TO SEE THESE TALENTED YOUNG MEN LEAVE THE GHETTO AND MAKE MONEY. SHE IS NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM A JOB AND HATES TO SEE THE RAP INDUSTRY SAVE THEM FROM A LIFE OF DRUG DEALING AND JAIL.

STEDMAN SHOULD KICK HER A** TO THE CURB.

BLACK AMERICAN WOMEN ARE CALLING THEMSELVES BITCHES AND HOS. JUST WATCH MONIQUE CHARM SCHOOL, QUEENS OF COMEDY, I LOVE NEW YORK, ETC ETC. WHY ISN’T OPRAH SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

ALL OF AMERICA MAKES MONEY ON SMUT. WHY IS OPRAH A-HOLE ONLY PICKING ON BLACK MEN WHO MAKE MONEY OFF OF SMUT?

WHY DOESN’T SHE TRY TO CLOSE DOWN STRIP BARS, X-RATED STORES, ZANE-BLACK WOMAN AUTHOR WHO WRITES THE DIRTIEST STORIES ON THE PLANET, PLAYBOY, GQ, HALLE BERRY FOR MONSTER’S BALL X-RATED SCENE, JERRY SPRINGER, MAURY POVICH, CHEATERS, A LOT OF SOAP OPERAS, KINGS/QUEENS OF COMEDY, RICHARD PRYOR, EDDIE MURPHY, ETC ETC

IT IS OBVIOUS SHE WANTS OUR GHETTO BOYS HELD UP TO A DOUBLE STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR BECAUSE SHE THINKS SHE IS A RASCIST WHITE WOMAN.

IF SHE DOESN’T WANT TO BE CALLED A HO, SHE SHOULD GET MARRIED.

I CAUGHT MY SON WATCHING AN X-RATED MOVIE AND I JUST THREW IT OUT OF THE HOUSE.

IF PEOPLE DON’T WANT THEIR KIDS LISTENING TO X-RATED RAP JUST FORBID IT. DON’T ATTACK THE ARTIST. THEIR IS A MARKET FOR THAT TYPE OF RAP AND PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE DENIED THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE IT.

RAPPERS ARE THE TRUE HEROES OF THE BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITY. THEY TAKE CARE OF AND MARRY BLACK WOMEN, FATHER BLACK CHILDREN, TAKE CARE OF THEIR BLACK MOTHERS AND ARE THE FRIENDS, SONS, AND COUSINS OF BLACK WOMEN. THEY EMPLOY BLACK WOMEN/MEN AS DANCERS AND GIVE THEM JOBS.

THEY DON’T ABANDON THE COMMUNITY LIKE SO MANY MIDDLE CLASS BLACK MEN DO WHEN THEY GET SOME MONEY AND CAN’T WAIT TO TAKE CARE OF WHITE WOMEN WITH IT.

IF THEY GET FRUSTRATED SOMETIMES AND RAP ABOUT ALL THEY’RE GOING THROUGH THEY HAVE A RIGHT.

IMUS HAS NO RIGHT. UNTIL HE FEEDS AND CARES FOR A BLACK WOMAN IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HIS COMMENTS ARE NOT OUT OF FRUSTTRATION BUT PURE RASCISM.

http://www.allhiphop.com/rumors/?ID=1262

Okay I was just kidding I am back! I am so passionate about this topic because I want us a people to be Phenomenial. While at Princeton University I have met some of the coolest black people. And aren’t all white washed either. They have good/pretty easy going lives, although they are perfect, they aren’t going through half as much as people from the hood. I wish all the black people that I know could be living mostly middle class like this. THis is why I’m Hot!! Pun intended.

Click on the link or paste it in your browser. Snoop responds to the Imus incident and Oprah situation.
Snoop did some real talk-but no Cigar. We want change. He like the hoes n bs we talking about are the one try to get our money. WOWWWW isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black. Those women are trying to money from the rappers because they obviously need- and they are trying to get money to get out the hood or their situation. Just like alot the rappers sold dope to the community to help get out the hood or to help promote records to get out the hood.

He’s trying to use the little good he is doing to cover up the wrong. For instance, what good it is I tithe and help in the community outreach program, if I’m molesting young boys.

Although, i must admit he has come a long way as an artist. I still haven’t forgiven him for allowing those women to attach themselves to dog leashes.

He also said, we aren’t calling those college girls hoes we commend those type of girls. NOt true, Snoop among other artists have gone out their way to let women know –you can be doing your thang lil mama but you still my hoe. He says “I get all sort exotic beauties, doctors, lawyers, and they all bang doggy dog style.”

He is such a hypocrite. Also, what does it matter whether a woman went to college or not. She’s still a black woman. Man they are wrong. I say this because even though i was fortunate to go to Princeton-pledge Alpha Kappa Alpha. I know women back home in the hood who couldn’t. They are just victims of their situations, but they’re not whores man. They just doing what they Gotta do.

I can identify more with Game and Nas’s comments. They are seeing both sides, but admitting some problems.

http://www.allhiphop.com/rumors/?ID=1262

Oh yea, there’s trouble in paradise. Snoop is not feeling Russell and his Cronies representing him.

Thanx to those who understand where I am coming from, i must say that I am elated that so many black people are feeling the same way I do, that we are on the same page. It is a problem we must address. Unfortunately, the topic below us has garnered more than 200 more obtuse comments then the more important one at hand! im talking about the college hill coonery that has got more than 661 people commenting! then they wonder why someone is calling them nappy headed hoes!

first we need to stop calling each other names like the n-word, b’s, and ho’s as a word to greet or talk to a friend or family member.you do not hear other races or creeds caling each ther racial slurs and degrading names as if to mean “hey friend or hi sister or hello brother”. since we do it to each other, others think it is okay. i saw the oprah show. only the second half. being as that a white man was fired, now everyone wants to blame the hip hop music.i think we all need to change our way of thinking. black white and all. imus just said what white men think about black women anyhow. we are all to blame.

396. JERRY said:
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ALL OF AMERICA MAKES MONEY ON SMUT. WHY IS OPRAH A-HOLE ONLY PICKING ON BLACK MEN WHO MAKE MONEY OFF OF SMUT?

WHY DOESN’T SHE TRY TO CLOSE DOWN STRIP BARS, X-RATED STORES, ZANE-BLACK WOMAN AUTHOR WHO WRITES THE DIRTIEST STORIES ON THE PLANET, PLAYBOY, GQ, HALLE BERRY FOR MONSTER’S BALL X-RATED SCENE, JERRY SPRINGER, MAURY POVICH, CHEATERS, A LOT OF SOAP OPERAS, KINGS/QUEENS OF COMEDY, RICHARD PRYOR, EDDIE MURPHY, ETC ETC

IT IS OBVIOUS SHE WANTS OUR GHETTO BOYS HELD UP TO A DOUBLE STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR BECAUSE SHE THINKS SHE IS A RASCIST WHITE WOMAN.

IF SHE DOESN’T WANT TO BE CALLED A HO, SHE SHOULD GET MARRIED.

That’s the truth!!

There is also the flip side of the coin.Sometimes a person cant help but to think hip hop is being “picked on” by broader society..just because the players are black people. America is misoginist, and its okay or “cute” becuase they are white. Sluts and hoes are all over the place and they are glamorized i.e. Desperate Housewives, Sex and the City, beer commericials, Playboy magazine, Anna Nicole Smith saga/coverage which seems to be something right out of the Maury Povich show, but it is okay by America. As soon as black people are doing it, its a problem? Here in Atlanta, two women were caught doing bank robberies, because they were white, they branded them the “barbie bandits” instead of calling them criminals, everyone seemed to think it was funny or CUTE. Anna Nicole Smith was the biggest “stringer-weavy-haired hoe” if there ever was one, and they describe her as “Cover girl Anna Nicole” LOL! when was the last time she covered a magazine, she did one in her life, Playboy, and she is to be revered?!?!?! Not defending hip hop, but it is ridiculous, if we get one, get them all.

@ 400. Nicki : thanx for those links.

Snoop is absolutely ridiculous!!!
i hope Angel makes it into a post (fast) , before this dies now.

@ 401. twintron4, your right people are more concerned with college hill, isnt this subject more important?

oprah winfrey can’t change the world, she can’t attack everyone but she’s concerned with black people if she wasn’t she wouldn’t have done the Legend’s ball and built schools in south africa. black men themselves like the lawyer agree with her on the subject. i commend oprah for opening this forum!

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Thanx to those who understand where I am coming from, i must say that I am elated that so many black people are feeling the same way I do, that we are on the same page. It is a problem we must address. Unfortunately, the topic below us has garnered more than 200 more obtuse comments then the more important one at hand! im talking about the college hill coonery that has got more than 661 people commenting! then they wonder why someone is calling them nappy headed hoes!
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You’re so right, and they have called so many hoes, bitches and niggas in that post that it’s sad, because EVERYONE in that house is BLACK - period.

this show pissed me off. oprah should have had more rappers on there to speak their mind and get their side. snoop has publicy commented on this so why wasn’t he on there? those chicks from spellman are lying when they say they don’t listen to rap music. its impossible to live in atlanta, be a young black woman in college and not listen to rap music at some point in time. i just don’t buy it. its society as a whole, not rappers. if we wanted clean music then how come common isn’t as big as 50 cent and jay-z? cuz most people don’t buy it. i’m sorry but its true. now what bothers me is how russell and all the other people on the panel were like “these rappers grow up in the hood and this is what they see” so what about other things like deadbeat daddies, black on black crime, gangs, etc.. i rarely hear a song like that from 50 cent, jay-z, snoop,nelly, etc. why is that? i lost respect for oprah for being so biased and i lost respect for all the hip hop panel for being such idiots. and again thos spellman girls know they lyin about not listening to hip hop. wtf do u listen to then, country and r&b? that can only last for so long.

Rap music …..BET, cooning and buffooning…This is how the world see Black people…I think it’s time we change our image.

Angela I think this topic would make a great poll.

@408…”oprah should have had more rappers on there to speak their mind and get their side.’

That has been addressed 99 times. Besides, I think he is still on tour w/P Diddy. Any way, I don’t see Luda, Nelly, Snoop or 50 running to anyone’s radio station, interviews or television shows speaking their side. If they have something to say, they sure are quiet about it sans Pimp Dog.

king

Note to Kevin Liles: You were NOT called a clown

The speaker was talking about the artists you once signed, NOT you!

The man can’t even listen

OPRAH IS ALLOWING DIRTY FOREIGNERS TO USE HER TO DESTROY HER OWN PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY I DON’T LIKE HER. SHE STUPIDLY BELIEVES THAT ALL THE ANTI-AMERICAN TALK ABOUT OUR CHILDREN, OUR MEN AND OUR AMERICAN COMMUNITY IS NOT DIRECTED AT HER, WHEN ALL THE TIME THEY’RE LAUGHING AT HER BEHIND HER BACK.

THE JAMAICANS, IN PARTICULAR, ARE VERY JEALOUS OF OUR BLACK AMERICAN RAPPERS. THEY EVEN HAVE THE NERVE TO CLAIM THEY INVENTED RAP BUT THEIR RAPS ARE SO HEINOUS AND PREACH HATE, AND MURDER THAT THE WHITE MASSES ARE BOYCOTTING THEM FROM PERFORMING. THAT’S WHY THEY AND THEIR PEOPLE ARE POINTING A FINGER AT OUR RAPPERS.

http://www.indegayforum.org/news/show/27039.html

Free Speech and Hate Music

by Paul Varnell

First published on September 22, 2004, in the Chicago Free Press.

It is by now pretty well known among gays and lesbians that several Jamaican reggae or “dance-hall” performers sing lyrics that are viciously homophobic.

That fact, however, seems not to have reached people in the entertainment business who sponsor and support these performers.

Recently the British gay advocacy group Outrage! mounted a campaign to induce performers such as Beenie Man, Bounty Killer, Elephant Man, Capleton, Sizzla, T.O.K., and Vybz Kartel-to stop singing those lyrics, charging that they promote homophobia and legitimize anti-gay violence.

Here are some of the lyrics. In the Jamaican patois batty means buttocks and battyman means gay or queer. Chi chi means gay or lesbian. Other translations are in parentheses.

From Beenie Man:

“Hang chi chi gal wid a long piece of rope.” “I’m dreaming of a new Jamaica, come to execute all the gays.” “Tek a Bazooka and kill batty-fu**er.” “All fa**ots must be killed.” “We burn chi-chi man and then we burn sodomite and everybody bawl out, say, ‘Dat right!’”
And from Elephant Man:

“Dance wi (we) a dance and a bun (burn) out a freaky man. …crush out a bingi (queer) man.” “Battyman fi (must be) dead! Gimme tha tec-nine (pistol), Shoot dem like bird.” “Battyman fi (must be) dead! Get a shot inna yu head, inna mi big gun collide” (when meet my big gun).

All of R rappers are heroes. They don’t marry white women as soon as they start making money like middle class blacks do. They marry black women, father black children, employ their homies as dancers and bodyguards, and they never forget where they come from LIKE OPRAH WHO THINKS SHE IS A SOUTH AFRICAN LOL LOL LOL DID YOU HEAR THAT??? SHE’S A FOOL OF THE WORST KIND LOL LOL

jackie, the only people that really need to be on television answering questions is the white music moguls that LET or ALLOW or HIRE Russell Simmons, Kevin Liles, P. Diddy, Jay Z, Eminem/50 Cent and Jermaine Dupri to believe they are running things. To put a face on it. Music moguls/OWNERS like Clive Davis and Tommy Motola want their faces on the television when they are showcasing something good and positive i.e.(Clive Davis shows off his songbird Whitney Houston, Jennifer Hudson etc.) but then when someone like Busta Rhymes is signed to his same label, he is nowhere to be found when discussing these issues, or when hip hop is under attack.

413. jennifer said:

All of R rappers are heroes. They don’t marry white women as soon as they start making money like middle class blacks do. They marry black women

^^ AND PUBLICLY DISRESPECT THEIR WIVES. AND PUBLICLY CALL ALL WOMEN BITCHES AND HOES. ONLY SHOWING ONE TYPE OF WOMEN IN THEIR VIDEOS 99% OF THE TIME. SNOOP CAN SAY WHAT HE WANTS THE YIN YANG TWINS SAID ALL WOMEN ARE BITCHES SO A LOT OF RAPPERS REALLY THINK THAT WAY. THEY CALL THEIR OWN WOMEN MY BITCH IN THEIR SONGS. REAL HEROES ARE WILL SMITH AND BORIS KODJOE. MEN WITH PRIDE AND DIGNITY!

Rappers love to call Oprah a sell out who appeals to white people, who do those 50 cents and Snoops appeal to? That’s what I thought.

Snoop and 50 cents are sellouts too! Everyone knows who buys their CDs! Rappers sellout to young white kids and Oprah sells out to white women and gays! They all get paid for talking trash!

I still fail to see why people keep making Oprah the issue. Oprah bash on another post. This is about Rap Music and the degenrative effects it has on our culture. The fact that WE ALL have allowed it but are now saying no more. Deal with the issue.

@412…”OPRAH IS ALLOWING DIRTY FOREIGNERS TO USE HER TO DESTROY HER OWN PEOPLE..”…How you sound? “Dirty Foreigners”…..Pleazzze. And your post is sooooo off topic.

@413….”All of R rappers are heroes”…..Your attention seeking tactics are so obvious that I thought it unfair not to tell you.

kind.

i have been avoiding this post for a while cause i know everybody has there own opinion but i may as well voice mine..i agree with imus being fired only because this is not his first or second time making a racial comment..get his azz otta here!! but as far as the rapppers being responsible for degrading women..PLEEEASE!! i am a proud african american woman and i think that’s bull!! these rappers rap about the women they come in contact with and these women are sometimes acting like B’s and h’s..they all strip and do whatever to get near these guys, so that’s what they rap about..and every1 wants to get on NELLY for his tip drill video!! come on people!! it’s adult entertainment!! since when that’s a crime..it wasn’t even aired with the more mainstream video’s..and Nelly did not make any of these women DEGRADE themselves!! they did that all on there own..i’m sure there was a line as long as the eye can see for auditions for the tip drill video with women ready and willing to let Nelly swipe there azz with a credit card..that girl let him do that..again Nelly did not make her..the problem is with us ladies!! if we don’t “willingly” put ourselves in degrading situations this won’t happen!! every1 wants to get $, believe me!! i do too but @ what price?? we (women) have to set standards for ourselves and stick to them!! i want my face on the T.V. yes i do but, i “choose” to not be 1/2 naked in a music video!!! WE ALL HAVE A CHOICE!! don’t blame the rappers!!

This whole situation can easy be condensed down to “personal responsiblity”. As far as girl being called hoes and bitches in rap lyrics; the girls in the videos set themselves up to be displayed as hoes and bitches when they allow video script to dress them in nothing and pour liquor all over them selves, or they bounce their bodies to a beat in a suggestive way. If sex is what they are tryin to sell, goal accomplished. Until women can turn down roles that would display themselves as hoes, groupies, or bitches and hold them selves accountable for their actions, hoes and bitches is all we will ever be called. Tough break for those who aren’t.

these women are acting like bitches and hoes!! you know who you are so just shut your mouth and know your role(lol)..if this does not apply to you when a song comes on in the club (degrading women who show up in videos to give the hoes a face)feel confident that they are not talking about you..rock your hips and wave and sip!! hahaha! * just my opinion*

418. kindanice said: “…I still fail to see why people keep making Oprah the issue. Oprah bash on another post. This is about Rap Music and the degenrative effects it has on our culture. The fact that WE ALL have allowed it but are now saying no more. Deal with the issue.”

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Why do you want to define the parameters of this discussion? Rappers, Oprah, Imus and anyone else with a public medium is fair game for this issue! You’re hurting, because yo girl was slinging $#!T and she got some on herself! That’s life!

If we’re gonna take a repair the degenrative effects of the media on our culture, we have to look at every stans from news services to talk shows (Imus and Oprah) to BET to VH1 to Jerry Springer to hip hop!

Don’t sit there and pretend that Oprah don’t have her own stans! She said, she don’t let people on her show who she don’t like! That’s her prerogative, but not very objective!

So, I have no problem with her being drug through the mess! Nobody’s exempt! Plus, she has people like Chris Rock and Jamie Foxx on her show and they call women more “bitches” than the “Dog Whisperer”, Cesar Millan! And, they call mo “hoes” than Bishop Don “Magic” Juan!

So, if nothing else, she’s guilty by association!

419. covergirl, great post, sis! I would only add that its a shared responsibility! The problem is not just with the ladies! God expects better from all of us!

420. Just Because, great post, sis! I would only add to women turning down roles, that we all establish a higher standard to live by and make sure that the “worldly” know who the sellouts and exploiters are! That means going through all your CDs and weeding out the negative ones! Blocking hip hop programs that push women to the edge! Boycotting concerts, movies and events that cater to degradationist! Writing letters to the networks and Snoop, Diddy, Russell, Kevin, JayZ and nem to voice concern about the way their products make us look and feel! Establish “smut-free” zones and drive the trash further underground! Request statistics to show just who’s purchasing the trash! Create economic development, so that women can stop turning to strippin and videos!

The list goes on and on, but desperate women are only a part of the problem!

your right #423 but, by me being a woman, it really upsets me to see..all we have to do is STOP!! or take the abuse!!..you make the call..it’s a domino effect, ladies are we going to wait on hip hop to change, to stop degrading ourselves?..it has to start somewhere, why can’t it start with us? and if the men start to think the same way we can atleast get this ball rollin’..i have a 3 year old son that i am trying to raise in a society where it’s ok to degrade one another, but sometimes we have to call it like we see it..now 1 thing i don’t agree with the the use of the N word..and how we have so called “embrassed” it..that has to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard. how do you embrase a word that was designed to make us feel less important?? i will admit i use it from time to time, but i’m tryin to make a concious effort to change,so that my son does not think it’s ok..we all just need to make an effort to change, we have alot of work ahead of us!! LET’S GET IT!! (JEEZY)..I LOVE HIP HOP!!! (GOD BLESS)

425. covergirl, the n-word use to be the call to alert and attack for white folks! When a white person called a black person that name in public, other whites would circle around and ostracize them! The word became a signal for degrading, because it used to terrorize blacks!

After the civil rights movement and a call to cease using the word, blacks were still terrorified of the label. We told our children to immediately report anyone who calls you the n-word! Well, that lasted for a while until the hip-hop generation came along and said, “I’m not living in the fear of this word! The word means nothing to me.” So, their way of confronting the demon was to ride its back! It goes back to Richard Pryor and nem! That’s probably why you use it from time to time! We all do, because the hip-hoppers said: WTH???

Well, now that we’ve overcome our fear of the word and we run in circles that are a whole pay check from our past, we’re ready to get off of the demon and bury him!

Most white people buried the demon long ago, but we could still smell the white doll on their breath! On the subject of the n-word, we are our own worst enemy, but the problem is not as big as we think it is!

Believe it or not, Imus probably believed that his phrase of choice could be used to describe the black women who gets it done! Who handles her business! She’s scrappy! She ain’t trying to look cute! But, he didn’t have the proper credentials to enter that door!

I said that to say this! Imus would never have used the n-word publicly to describe anyone! I could see him calling Paris and Nicole hoes on the air, but he knows right from wrong! He just misinterpreted the subtleties of black ownership! That’s why TLC said, “Don’t go chasing Waterfalls”!

The n-word ain’t gonna make or break us at this point! The words nappy headed hoe really doesn’t define us either! But, I’m more concerned about that black doll!

In fairness to you, I’ll stop here, so you can get a word in!

Developing…!

After watching Oprah for the last two days and reading blog after blog post, I feel I must respond.

I hear a lot of white people make the argument but black people say it all the time. My grandmother always told me two wrongs don’t make a right.

What bothers me the most is that we even have black people who are ready to jump on the let’s bash hip hop bandwagon.

Yet, none of these outraged brothers and sisters was willing to call for boycotts of the entertainment companies that distribute this mess. There has been no national outrage on the part of blacks until a few days ago. We had a few complaints here and there but nothing on a large scale that said we are sick and tired and not taking it anymore.

I don’t blame the artist totally for the message being put out on the airwaves although they have some culpability but Common doesn’t own a major record label or radio station.

When the right decided to de regulate the media. They knew exactly what they were doing! They knew that by controlling the media markets they would control the political and social message.

I refuse to jump on the blame hip hop bandwagon. Is there some deplorable hip hop out there hell yes but why aren’t we demanding more airtime for a talib kweli or krs-1 ?

Why aren’t we demanding more as consumers? I think the real question here is why do young black men and women (mostly Men) think that the only thing to rap about is pimping hoin and bangin?

I remember growing up listening to Queen Latifah, KRS1 Public Enemy groups like these and others where what lead me to read nooks about my heritage and legacy. Public Enemy led me to read the autobiography of Malcolm X, and the Poetry of Nikki Giovonni, and Maya Angelou.

I remember the first rap song I really could relate too it was grandmaster Flash and Furious Five. I remember hearing the words

â??Donâ??t push me cause I’m close to the edge. I’m trying not to lose my head. It’s like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under.’

I thought finally someone who gets me. Someone, who understands my sense of despair, and hopelessness. It is just a shame that it has taken twenty years for the rest of the country to get it.

Instead of Black America taking the opportunity to have a real discussion on Race and Poverty and the unequal distribution of wealth and power and the injustice system in this country, we have allowed others to come in and control the debate once again by turning our focus on the rappers!

Instead of focusing on the very real issues that rappers are rapping about and facilitating a dialogue as to how we as a community can fix what ails us. We have chosen to turn on each other like crabs in a barrel.

I think we all have some soul searching to do as brothers as sisters, Moms, daughters, sons , fathers, consumers and role models. We can either focus on the negative in hip hop or take this opportunity to really effect change in our society.

I know that I will get a lot of flack for this post but I felt it necessary to point out that hip hop didnâ??t create the climate in our neighborhoods or in our culture it just merely reported on it.

We shoulder the burden for failing to act!

427. Hi said: “…I know that I will get a lot of flack for this post but I felt it necessary to point out that hip hop didnâ??t create the climate in our neighborhoods or in our culture it just merely reported on it.”

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Your comments are thoughtful and you gave good reasons for your points, but I crashed at the very end! Why do you think that the hip-hop culture just reports on our neighborhoods? Doesn’t it dresses us? It teaches us how to think and act? Motivates us to get rich or die trying? Causes us to misunderstand and disrespect each other? Doesn’t it glorfy drugs and sex, making us want more? Doesn’t it tells us what to drink and what kind of car to drive? Doesn’t it show us what kind of mate to find and how to treat them once we get them? Doesn’t it tell us that its all about us? And, that we are the center of it all? Doen’t it demand a certain percentage of our incomes? Doesn’t it bind gang members under a groove? How many rapper’s lives has it claimed? How many innocent by-standers has it claimed?

I think that the rappers do the reporting, but the “hip-hop” culture is more than what the rappers bring to it! We tend to think that the culture begins and stops with Diddy, Jay, Snoop and nem, but the culture is more than just them! Its a certain style and way of thinking that includes people like Venus and Serena! Randy and Paula! Tiger and Carmello! Hip hop is about keeping it real! Its about Tupac and Biggie! Its about Concreteloop and Sandra Rose! (**i feel you, Boo) Its about Mika’s sexy ass! hehe! It includes gangs and violence! So, yes I think hip-hop is responsible for a lot of the climate in our neighborhoods!

if the black family unit was more stable than hip hop would not be such a problem. the disintegration of the black family (if there ever was that strong family unit) deteriorated long before hip hop.

people’s mentalities are screwed up, hip hop ADDS to it but I’m not going to say it is the #1 cause. honestly i think it all goes back to slavery(yes I said it). now I am not trying to excuse anyone’s behavior but some people really do not realize how it infected the mind sets of so many people. i don’t sit home and have pity parties (maybe some do)i just try to do my best. i am lucky because I had parents that loved and cared about me. i feel it is crucial for the average black person to have that family unit considering all that we are up a/g in this society. now of course some people are going to persevere regardless of their circumstances.

I have to agree with KinDanice, what is really going on that black people have to turn this into an Oprah thing, someone else posted that she was the real sellout!?! I dont get it, you are selling out when u have done something to hurt the people u were birthed from. If anything, Oprah has done nothing but HELPED black women, made a new image that she can only hope others follow. seriously, after Oprah, who else?? she is alone in her journey and cause. these rappers have hurt our image tremendously, no doubt. and if you say they havent hurt us, then u certainly couldnt say they have HELPED at all! nothing positive has come of this..if it were would we be even having this discussion??

wow. loving all the thoughtful dialogue.

we have a radio station here that pratically refuses to play the more hopeful, upbeat, non-abusive language where they have to bleep almost every third word and positive songs. They claim they are the home of today’s hip hop and r&b but they play the exact same songs 10 to 20 times a day.

I’ve written letters, called and finally just turned off the station. I listen to a different station that plays everything and not just what’s popular. It plays hip hop, r&b, rock, rap, pop.

And covergirl - very well said.

Everyone talks about tip drill from nelly but don’t talk about fly away or n dey say.

I seriously detest black americans who down the Rap Industry which has gotten more of our boys off the streets and made them millionaires than any other. It is ironic and plain stupid to want to break this industry just because it does sling some smut just like Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, The Porn Industry, The Stripper Industry, many soap operas, , girls gone wild, entertainment shows which are constantly reminding us that women are hoing (paris, nichole,lindsay,no panty wearing brittany) around so much that DNA is needed to know the paternity of their children, Cheaters, Jeff Foxworthy, Larry the Cable guy, George Lopez, South Park, The Queens/Kings of Comedy, etc.

NOT A SINGLE NEGRO SPEAKS OUT ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS BUT PICK ON AN INDUSTRY WHICH EMPLOYES HOPELESS BLACK MEN AND ALLOWS THEM TO ESCAPE THE GHETTO. NOT ONLY THAT, THE SAME RAPPERS WHICH ARE CRITICIZED:

MARRY BLACK HOS
ARE THE FATHER’S OF BLACK HOS CHILDREN
ARE THE SONS OF BLACK HOS
ARE THE BROTHERS, COUSINS, AND FRIENDS OF BLACK HOS
TAKE CARE OF BLACK HOS
WORSHIP THE BODIES OF BLACK HOS IN THEIR VIDEOS
LOVES AND ADORES BLACK HOS
DON’T ABANDON BLACK HOS AS SOON AS THEY GET SOME MONEY LIKE STUPID MIDDLE CLASS BLACK MEN DO
LOVE MEANS NEVER HAVING TO SAY YOU’RE SORRY.

I see the rappers as the TRUE AND GENUINE men of the black community because they don’t abandon their own as soon as they get a buck. Instead they employ them as bodyguards, dancers, choreographers, etc., AND THAT IS WHY WHITE RASCIST ARE CONSTANTLY ATTACKING THEM AND DUMB MIDDLE CLASS BLACKS WHO DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT RASCISM IS STRICTLY ECONOMICS, BELIEVE THAT IF WE COULD ALL JUST BE PERFECT, RASCISM WOULD END.

YOUR MOTHER CALLED YOU A NAME OR TWO BUT IF MR. CHARLIE DOWN THE STREET DID THE SAME THING YOU WOULD BE GREATLY OFFENDED.

NOT ONLY THAT, WHITE MEN (YOU NEED TO WATCH ROOTS AGAIN) HAVE USED HATEFUL WORDS TO ENSLAVE US. BLACK RAPPERS CAN’T ENSLAVE US WITH THEIR WORDS. THEIR WORDS COME OUT OF FRUSTRATION WITH THE WOMEN IN THEIR LIVES. I GUESS YOU DUMMIES WHO CRITICIZE THEM WOULD PREFER THEM BACK ON THE STREETS SELLING THE DRUGS THAT ARE KILLING OUR PEOPLE. YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM A JOB.

frantzie, while i applaud these black rappers for marrying black women, why would any self-respecting woman want to be married to one of these guys. Apart from all the cheating, refusal to take care of their offspring financially like their lifestyle, and having tons of women of all colors have sex with them every night, they arent good role models, and dont convey what “Good Men” are. so they are not anything to be proud of. would not want my kids hanging around drug dealers, druggies and thugs but they are as you say True and Genuine men………..

none of those girls had a gun to there head making them do that!!! God gave people impulse and choice to make choices.. they made there choice.

Any idiot can glorify a problem, it takes a true artist to glorify solutions.

EXACTLY WHAT THE WHITE MAN WANTS ……….BLACK ON BLACK……BLACKS AGAINST BLACKS…….TAKE 1 STEP FORWARD……..20 STEPS BACK……

*Some of the touched ones on here are saying Oprah doesn’t care about black people and she only caters to a white people. Are you smoking crack? Oprah is building neighborhoods, not homes, but neighborhoods for the victims of hurricane katrina, built a huge boys and girls club (complex) in AMERICA, and a school for little black girls in africa so they no longer have to look at selling themselves as their only career option. And what was 50 cent doing while the hurricane katrina situation was jumping off? He was on tv saying George bush was a gangster for not coming to help the HK victims! But y’all keep it real..The ignorance amazes me..

And the same people ragging on Oprah for speaking her mind are chanting freedom of speech for the rappers? Get your mind right and stop contradicting yourselves

*Now on to Imus. That crypt keeper is a half an idiot who had no right to call out those women like that with no information on their sexual history. But everybody already knows that. He is just a symptom of the bigger issue. He reacted the way a lot of white people do in the privacy of their own homes because the media is flooded with retarded images of black people.

*That doesn’t mean rappers should be censored. I think they have the right to speak as they please. Does that mean we shouldn’t give them hell for it? Of course not. I don’t agree with the gay lifestyle, but I sure do admire how they rally together. They took m&m from calling a bunch of gay people names to rapping with elton john. Too much heat on his behind! If only black people could get their ish together and do the same. Hip hop has become kin to the painted face shows back in the day, only they’ve got real black people as stand ins, demeaning their own women. That’s why a lot of black guys don’t want to claim sisters now. Not all of course, but a good chunk of the impressionable ones cause they get that crap from the songs and videos.

There are hoes in all the races but people automatically assume that black women are like that cause that is dam there the only image you see in mainstream media. Again are there white people at the top of this mess? Sure. But there were white people in charge when segregation was in play. When we got off our butts, marched, and stopped flooding our money into the messed up system (bus system & restaurants), they had to conform and desegregate. Blacks spend more money on BS than any other race and we get the least respect. If we channeled that buying power and stopped taking ish on a platter cause we’re scared we wont get a good beat, things will change.

Also women need to do their part instead of just complain. I don’t buy any CD if I don’t like the lyrical content. I bump john legend, Common, Robin Thicke, etc. Not pimp and ho anthems.

And all you women that say oh i’m not a hoe i’m not like that, do hoes have tramp tatooed on their foreheads? These videos affect how society as a whole sees us as a people and they don’t section us off. Why do you think black men have become the flavor of the month with all types of women? These videos. Divide and conquer.

The level of the self-hatred in our community is amazing. The anger and vitriol with which live our daily lives is unhealthy.
I am a big Russell Simmons fan, but his excusing the denigration of women, and the promotion of violence in music is depressing. His excusing the “lyrical” content of Ganster Rap, for the sake of the “poets,” is a joke.
I am embarassed when youngsters in L.A. drive down the street with vulgar music blasting, and it’s within earshot of elderly people. It’s just not right.

@Meatlof Said: “Why do you want to define the parameters of this discussion? Rappers, Oprah, Imus and anyone else with a public medium is fair game for this issue! You’re hurting, because yo girl was slinging $#!T and she got some on herself!”

Look here: Oprah is a big girl. She can defend herself. I actually don’t care. Stan or not, This IS NOT ABOUT HER VIEWS ON RAP. If she was off the air TODAY, we would still have this problem.

This is a classic example of the not being able to see the forest for the trees. Defenders are bringing up racisim, KKK, education and Porn to detract from the real issues. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Many women have admitted that the problem is not Just the rappers fault. Anyone who thinks that is not dealing with the real truth.

Video girls, consumers, rappers, the music company, the radio, Viacom, etc ….ITS ALL OUR FAULT. OK.

NOW WHAT.
Here is the latest:

http://www.calendarlive.c...80016.story?coll=cl-music

See Paragraph 3

Also, interesting articles found online.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/...20/COLUMNISTS06/704200435

http://www.detnews.com/ap.../704210310/1008/OPINION01

and the always comical:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwmC-6hzLpk

Peace,

Kind.

@437….agree 110%…And I’m still on the floor behing you calling Imus a crypt keeper,,,girl u know u wrong 4 that…Lol.

@380..Bill: Though I remain confused about the defensive nature of many of your post (on this topic) The article you posted was on point thank you. I can’t belive I did not consider the political implications of this dilemma.

Ahem..@412….by bad. I eventually did read the article posted UNDER the inflamatory comments you used to start off your post.

The actual article however just proves another point.
Any minority, in this case, the gay community, can stand up for themselves and hold hip-hop accountable for their actions. Just not us. If we do, it’s because we hate men and are gay and always “puttin down da black man”…gheeze…gimme a break.

kind.

Kindanice they just don’t hear me though.
Good posts on the topic btw.

Here’s another article:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/S...WBIZ/Music/03/03/hip.hop/

Kindanice girl they just don’t hear me.
Good articles btw.

Here’s another one:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/S...WBIZ/Music/03/03/hip.hop/

There has to be a few things accomplished in all these discussion.
1) Imus – The simple fact that white people with power and money can no longer go around and promote there personal dreams on the uneducated mass. This has been going on forever and it’s the main root of racism in America, because the elite condone it its ok for the poor white trash to uphold it. That is why Imus had to go, because he was promoting racism in his words. Even if Imus he did not believe them in his heart others do and others would operate on is words.

2) Its amazing that most Americans don’t understand that they are not intelligent enough to recognize the spin on things they see or hear. It’s a know fact that most Americans and even more so in the African American community. We as a race must get educated. We must rise above the bickering and the back stabbing amongst us. We must provide a united front. If this means cracking down on rap and there glamorous tale of the hard life and life in the wards of the south then be it so.

I know people will go back to this post even if just to read. It is just to important.

Articles, Post, Food for thought:

http://www.google.com/products?q=‘nappy-headed+ho’+t-shirt&hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-37,GGLD:en&um=1&sa=X&oi=froogle&ct=title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlWtBcMEAs

http://www.youtube.com/wa...a951%2D7aed%2D461f%2Db902

I saw the show twice, and I was more upset with Oprah than ever before. Many of the Oprah fanatics can’t see the subliminal messages in her shows and in Oprah’s actions. When a racist white man says something demeaning about blacks, then he tries to divert the attention away claiming black men call women ho’s this is a cop out! Yes in rap men use foul language, but what rapper walks around calling women b-tches or hoes? Not many if any. In the black community we use foul language, but we are in foul conditions which is what the panelists were saying. When the communities are cleaned up, you will see it reflected in the music. Also in the black community when we say b-tch to each other as many women do, it’s not deragatory,it’s just how we talk, like when we call each other n-ggas! It’s the same thing.
This show was another way Oprah got to bash and attack black men. In movies women are nude and called foul names, even Oprah’s respected friend Halle Berry had one of the most graphic sex scenes in recent years, but Oprah admires her greatly, theres porn, there’s primetime t.v when women are treated as mere sex toys, in rap men just basically say they love to chase their beautiful black sisters, they may not say it the best but that’s what it is. Oprah even divided the blacks more when she got black women from Spellman to go against the black men represented by the males from the music industry. Oprah is always subtley against black men, I don’t care if she occasionally says she dates Steadman, she is always with Gayle, they have a home, they take trips together, they go to celebrity events together, and when she does her charity events like open all girl schools (neglecting the little boys), or she promotes her lesbian play “The Color Purple” with it’s re-edited lesbian scene she shows her true colors. Oprah again sold out on that show!

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Mr. Real Nubian Man:

My Brother: U watched that show and all you got out of it is how much u hate Oprah? Ok, fine.

FOr the purposes of this discussion……………… DOWN w/Oprah! SHe hates black Men and Rap. She uses every opportunity to bring the Black man down. That’s why she is not married. Oh yeah, and she’s gay.

Can we all agree on that so we can get beyond the OPRAH factor? I’m sure she would not mind being the sacrificial lamb.

Now since we ALL hate Oprah now, let’s deal w/the issue by looking at non-oprah tainted info on the topic:

Please see the article below. I don’t agree w/everything he has 2 say, but it is somewhat fair assessment of our predicament.
Also, thier are some useful links in post 439, 441 and 444. Oprah Free!

Kind

April 25, 2007
Music
Don’t Blame Hip-Hop

By KELEFA SANNEH
Hip-hop has been making enemies for as long as it has been winning fans. It has been dismissed as noise, blamed for concert riots, accused of glorifying crime
and sexism and greed and Ebonics. From Run-D.M.C. to Sister Souljah to Tupac Shakur to Young Jeezy, the story of hip-hop is partly the story of those who have
been irritated, even horrified, by it.

Even so, the anti-hip-hop fervor of the last few weeks has been extraordinary, if not quite unprecedented. Somehow Don Imus’s ill-considered characterization of
the Rutgers women’s basketball team — “some nappy-headed h*s” — led not only to his firing but also to a discussion of the crude language some rappers use. Mr. Imus and the Rev. Al Sharpton traded words on Mr. Sharpton’s radio show and on “Today,” and soon the hip-hop industry had been pulled into the fray.

Unlike previous hip-hop controversies, this one doesn’t have a villain, or even a villainous song. The current state of hip-hop seems almost irrelevant to the current discussion. The genre has already acquired (and it’s fair to say earned) a reputation for bad language and bad behavior. Soon after Mr. Imus’s firing, The Daily News had Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, splashed on its cover alongside the hip-hop producer Timbaland, whose oeuvre includes some Imusian language. He had helped arrange a fund-raiser for her and apparently was now a
liability. Oprah Winfrey organized a two-show “town meeting” on what’s wrong with hip-hop — starting with the ubiquity of the word “h*” and its slipperier cousin, “b**ch” — and how to fix it. The hip-hop impresario Russell Simmons, who appeared on the show, promised to take action, but last Thursday a planned press conference with hip-hop record label executives was canceled at the last minute, with scant explanation.

On Monday, Mr. Simmons and Ben Chavis, leaders of the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, released a statement that said, in part, “We recommend that the recording
and broadcast industries voluntarily remove/bleep/delete the misogynistic words ‘b**ch’ and ‘h*’ ” and a third term, a common racial epithet. (That already happens on the radio; it seemed the two were suggesting that all albums be censored too.) Mr.
Simmons helped create the hip-hop industry, and he has always spoken as a rap insider. Monday’s statement was remarkable partly because he was speaking as a hip-hop outsider, unable (so far) to persuade the executives to go along with him.

A different sort of criticism was voiced in this Sunday’s episode of “60 Minutes”: Anderson Cooper was the host of a segment arguing that hip-hop culture had
popularized an anti-snitching ethos that was undermining the police and allowing criminals to operate with relative impunity. The rapper Cam’ron, who was shot in 2005, cheerfully told Mr. Cooper that cooperating with police would hurt his professional reputation and run counter to “the way I was raised.” Asked what he would do if he were living next door to a serial killer, Cam’ron merely shrugged and said he would move. The segment said remarkably little about the fear and anger that might help create such an anti-police culture. Even if Cam’ron is just doing what sells, the question remains: Why is this what sells?

None of these complaints are new exactly. Few rappers have used the words “h*” and “b**ch” as enthusiastically — or as effectively — as Snoop Dogg, who has spent 15 years transforming himself into cuddly pop star from a menacing rapper, while remaining as foul-mouthed as ever. And rappers’ hostility toward the police has been a flashpoint since the late 1980s, when the members of N.W.A. stated their position more pithily than this newspaper will allow.

Nowadays, as all but the most intemperate foes of hip-hop readily admit, this is not a debate about freedom of speech; most people agree that rappers have the right to say just about anything. This is, rather, a debate about hip-hop’s vexed position in the American mainstream. On “Oprah,” Diane Weathers, the former editor in chief of Essence magazine, said, “I think Snoop should lose his contract — I don’t think
he should be on the Jay Leno show.”

On “60 Minutes,” Mr. Cooper kept reminding viewers that hip-hop was “promoted by major corporations,” and he mentioned anti-snitching imagery on album covers.
What he showed, though, was a picture taken from a mixtape, not a major label release.

That’s a small quibble, perhaps, but a telling one. In the wake of Mr. Imus’s firing, some commentators talked about a double standard in the media, though “double” seemed like an understatement. Like MySpace users and politicians and reality-television stars and, yes, talk-radio hosts, rappers are trying to negotiate a culture in which the boundaries of public and private space keep changing, along with the multiplying standards that govern them. This means that mainstream culture is becoming less prim (or more crude, if you prefer), and it’s getting harder to keep
the sordid stuff on the margins.

This also means that just about nothing flies under the radar: a tossed-off comment on the radio can get you fired, just as a fairly obscure mixtape can find its way onto “60 Minutes” as an exemplar of mainstream hip-hop culture.

You can scoff at Mr. Simmons’s modest proposal, but at the very least, he deserves credit for advancing a workable one, and for endorsing the kind of soft censorship that many of hip-hop’s detractors are too squeamish to mention. Consumers have learned to live with all sorts of semi-voluntary censorship, including the film rating system, the F.C.C.’s regulation of broadcast media and the self-regulation of basic cable
networks. Hip-hop fans, in particular, have come to expect that many of their favorite songs will reach radio in expurgated form with curses, epithets, drug references and mentions of violence deleted. Those major corporations that Mr. Cooper mentioned aren’t very good at promoting so-called positivity or wholesome community-mindedness. But give them some words to snip and they’ll diligently (if grudgingly) snip away.

It’s not hard to figure out why some people are upset about the way Mr. Simmons’s three least-favorite words have edged into the mainstream. One of hip-hop’s many
antecedents is the venerable African-American oral tradition known as toasting; those toasts are full of those three words. Hip-hop took those rhymes from the street corner to the radio, and those old-fashioned dirty jokes are surely meant to shock people like Ms. Winfrey. Once upon a time, such lyrics (if they had been disseminated) might have been denounced for their moral turpitude, but now they’re more likely to be denounced for their sexism. Both verdicts are probably correct, and each says something about mainstream society’s shifting priorities and taboos. Maybe dirty
jokes never change, only the soap does.

Mr. Imus has one thing in common with rappers, after all. Like him, many rappers have negotiated an uneasy relationship with the mainstream: they are corporate
entertainers who portray themselves as outspoken mavericks; they are paid to say private things (sometimes offensive things) in public. It’s an inherently volatile arrangement, bound to create blow-ups small and big. Mr. Simmons’s proposal could
buy some rappers a few years’ reprieve. But it wouldn’t be surprising if the big record companies eventually decided that brash — and brilliant — rappers like Cam’ron were more trouble than they were worth. (Cam’ron’s last two albums haven’t sold well.)
Why not spend that extra money on a clean-cut R&B singer, or a kid-friendly pop group?

The strangest thing about the last few weeks was the fact that hardly any current hip-hop artists were discussed. (All these years later, we’re still talking
about Snoop Dogg?) Maybe that’s because hip-hop isn’t in an especially filthy mood right now. It sounds more light-hearted and clean-cut than it has in years. Hip-hop radio is full of cheerful dance tracks like Huey’s “Pop, Lock & Drop It,” Crime Mob’s “Rock Yo Hips,” Mims’s “This Is Why I’m Hot” and Swizz Beatz’s “It’s Me, Snitches.” (The title and song were censored to exclude one of the three inflammatory words — proof that this snipping business can be tricky.)

On BET’s “106 & Park,” one of hip-hop’s definitive television shows, you can watch a fresh-faced audience applaud these songs, cheered on by relentlessly positive hosts. For all the panicky talk about hip-hop lyrics, the current situation suggests a scarier
possibility, both for hip-hop’s fans and its detractors. What if hip-hop’s lyrics shifted from tough talk and crude jokes to playful club exhortations — and it didn’t much matter? What if the controversial lyrics quieted down, but the problems didn’t? What if hip-hop didn’t matter that much, after all?

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