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76.
sassysexychick
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
one sexy piece of chocolate!
77.
sassysexychick
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
@55. i’m back because i need to remind you this dimoj guy is FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!!!!!!!
78.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
#64. Apparently I’m NOT speaking for myself. I said he’s NOT attractive & a lot of people just say he is to be PC. Not all, but a lot. If he’s your cup of tea, so be it. If
what I said didn’t describe you, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
I have nothing against men his compexion, my first boyfriend was a dark skinned man. The guy I dated for a brief stint not too long ago was a black guyanese man Djimon’s complexion & I think ole boy is gorgeous. Djimon’s body is AMAZING. The photography is FANTASTIC. He’s a great actor. But not attractive to me, two tears in a bucket….
79.
tj
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
of course, but peeps is forgettin that he was also in the janet jackson video, love will never do without you……how many remember that, he was hot then and damn if he ain’t hot now…
80.
suiteladay
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Djimon is one handsome specimen. Though he may not fit the typical description of what many deem attractive, there is no doubt this man oozes SEEXXXY. The way he carries himself, his persona, his talent, and not too mention his sculpted mandingo body (lol) all contribute to his sexiness.
81.
atreyou82
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
@ComplexnDope, you stay preaching the truth. Most of these females are just saying he looks good, because he’s dark skin and want to appear Black Empowered. Keep it real.
Djihom, I catching up to you…give me another month or two, working on my chest.
82.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
complexndope: I’m not trying to pick a fight with you, but I find your statement is offensive.
Why in the world would a black woman saying that a black man is attractive be considered Politically Correct ? ??
What is wrong with a Black Woman being attracted to a Black Man ???
Is it because he’s African
or
Is it because he’s dark skinned,
that you feel people are going out of their way to offer kudos.
Respectfully,
Bill
83.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
…..My point is (And I’m sure you know this) is that African Men/Woman and/or Dark Skinned Men or Woman are Just as Beautiful as any of the other hues of Blackness.
Should We (As a People) go out of our way to recognize Beauty in our Race ?
I think so.
because,
as a race, we were taught to think that Black=Ugly…
That’s why we should Rejoice when a member of our tribe appears on mainstream magazines.
Doesn’t having Djimon Hounsou appear in a Calvin Klein ad make you feel proud.
I’m so happy for that brother right now…
Respectfully,
Bill
84.
jewel13
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Bill (82) I wondered the same thing too, but I wasn’t trying to go back and forth about it.
Djimon is very handsome and it has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with personal preference. Me personally, I love a smooth dark brother!!
85.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Oh. Bill.
No disrespect, but, APPARENTLY. You didn’t read my latest statement about the men I have dated. Then CLEARLY you would see, that I have no problem with men his complexion nor with Africans. (Dated one also.). I said HE! (as in singular, as in Djimon) is not attractive and that often, as #81 also stated people tend to give kudos just to appear black empowered, especially on a site where you get jumped on for not appearing to be such.
I gave kudos to his acting, to his body, to those amazing photos up there. Don’t sit there & say I’m not proud. Don’t insinuate me not thinking black men are beautiful, etc & so on.
86.
OG_Sweetz
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Sexy!!!!
87.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
complexndope
Oh. Bill.
No disrespect, but, APPARENTLY. You didn’t read my latest statement about the men I have dated. Then CLEARLY you would see, that I have no problem with men his complexion nor with Africans. (Dated one also.). I said HE! (as in singular, as in Djimon) is not attractive and that often, as #81 also stated people tend to give kudos just to appear black empowered, especially on a site where you get jumped on for not appearing to be such.
I gave kudos to his acting, to his body, to those amazing photos up there. Don’t sit there & say I’m not proud. Don’t insinuate me not thinking black men are beautiful, etc & so on.
Bill Said:
ok
not trying to fight..Just trying to understand
88.
tammy
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
@ Bill If I recall correctly , Did’nt you call Tameka foster ugly ? manly ? and a number of other things in a recent post? Just a question .
89.
atreyou82
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
* look
90.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
ammy
@ Bill If I recall correctly , Didn’t you call Tameka foster ugly ? manly ? and a number of other things in a recent post? Just a question .
Bill Said:
yes I did.
I would be an idiot to say that every black person on the planet is attractive
because
they are not……..
I try to champion the Black race in GENERAL, as much as possible
I really wasn’t dealing with “Djimon Hounsou” in particular when I question my dear friend, Complexdope (I understood perfectly why SHE wasn’t attracted to him…that’s HER Prerogative).
What I questioned was her statement “That it Politically Correct to state that a Dark Skinned AFRICAN Man is attractive”
She corrected me.
because
I misunderstood what SHE was saying.
* I’m not always correct. I hope that’s not the perception or vibe that I’m giving off
I ask questions, because sometime I may be incorrect in a assumption
end of story…….
Respectfully
Bill
91.
get_me_bodied
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
BILL, I WONDER WHAT U LOOK LIKE………LOL
92.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Tammy Said:
@ Bill If I recall correctly , Didn’t you call Tameka foster ugly ? manly ? and a number of other things in a recent post? Just a question .
Bill Said:
yes I did.
I would be an idiot to say that every black person on the planet is attractive
because
they are not……..
I try to champion the Black race in GENERAL, as much as possible
I really wasn’t dealing with “Djimon Hounsou” in particular when I questioned my dear friend, Complexdope
*I understood perfectly why SHE wasn’t attracted to him…that’s HER Prerogative…
She don’t have to think that every Black Man is attractive
just like
I don’t have to think that every Black Woman is attractive…
Some time, some people just don’t look good…
What I questioned was her statement “That it Politically Correct to state that a Dark Skinned AFRICAN Man is attractive”
I felt (at the time) that she had an issue with Dark Skinned MEN or African MEN
I realy wasn’t speaking about Djimon in general…I had an issue with the statement itself.
anyways,
She corrected me.
because
I misunderstood what SHE was saying.
….She’s my friend so we go back & forth like that..It’s cool. we’re still buddies…..
* I’m not always correct.
That’s why I like to ask QUESTIONS, and I try not to make assumptions.
I hope that’s not the perception or vibe that I’m giving off
I ask questions, because sometime I may be incorrect with a particular thought process
end of story…….
Respectfully
Bill
93.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
get_me_bodied
BILL, I WONDER WHAT U LOOK LIKE………LOL
Bill Said:
I resemble Laurenz Tate.
Same Height, Build & Complexion.
94.
Saffire in Ny
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Good Lawd the man is beautiful. Not trying to be Politically Correct. I truly mean this. His skin looks so smooth and silky, and nice and chocolatelty. His body is scuplted and molded to perfection. I love the confidence and authority that he is projecting in these ads. It makes me feel good to be black.
I agree with Dimples Delight. There is nothing like a cup of strong dark coffee to wake a sista up.
Love,Peace,&&Honeyy
95.
get_me_bodied
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BILL
96.
poetic_lovagirl
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Off topic: angel why dont you ever post about alexyss Tylor she is too funny :http://youtube.com/watch?v=PWLjR8jkOVM
97.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Awww! Bill is a wittle man
98.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
complexndope said
Awww! Bill is a wittle man
Bill Said
CompleandDope
Ahh…..If only I was 25 and single….
I Love to go toe to toe with a woman, verbally.
That is so sexy to me…..
I love your way with words Tasia’
You probably ALSO have a Beautiful Mind……..
99.
suiteladay
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
In defense of complexndope, I do not think that she was being offensive in her statements. Though she does not personally think Djimon is sexy doesnt mean she finds all dark skin men attractive. Her preference is her preference and all we can do is respect it…on another note, when can we as black people get over this colorism issue? i find it funny yet disturbing when black people say he/she is handsome/pretty for “a dark skin person” as it is an anomaly to find someone who is both dark and attractive. Seriously we need to get over this issue (***disclaimer: I know the colorism issue is not specific to Black people***)
100.
Ne'
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
@ complex
How are you gonna say that people are only saying he is attractive to be PC. I didnt know you were a mind reader. FUCK OUTTA HERE!~~“~lWODJ9P!!
101.
Jo_An
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
I love black black men, the blacker the better.
What A Fine Black Man…..mmmmmmm
102.
setian
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
I love the second pic more than the first. The first is wierd. The second is HOT! I’ve never cared for Kimora… so whatever. He could have done better.
103.
jewel13
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Lmao @ Ne’.
104.
sheneice
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
HIS SKIN LOOKS SO RICH AND CREAMY
105.
flo
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Love will never dooooo
Love will never doooo without yoooou
^ My first reaction seeing those pics. lol
106.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
@100. Did I say all? No. I didn’t Fuck Up. Thank you kindly.
@Bill. You couldn’t handle it.
107.
Kandice
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
He’s absolutely BEAUTIFUL. Period.
108.
Ne'
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
So you can read ” a lot” of peoples mind?
109.
Ne'
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
**”a lot”
When will people worry about how they feel instead of others…smh
110.
Bill yea right !
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
BILL YOU NO DAMN GOOD AND WELL YOU DONT LOOK LIKE LARENZ .YOU WISH !
111.
foxxy380
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
LMAOOOO @ Ne!
112.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Well apparently Ne’, you can’t follow your own advice. Since YOU’RE worried about the way I feel/think; because otherwise, you wouldn’t have responded.
Case Closed.
113.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
complexndope said:
@Bill. You couldn’t handle it.
Bill Said:
I know, I know…..
I wouldn’t make it through the first year……
114.
Ne'
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
**rolls eye real hard in the back of my head**
@ the I know you are but what am I BS.
btw I dont give 2 duck shits or about what you think. I just wanted to know when you got hired by angel to read minds.
115.
2klean
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Some of ya’ll are talking about how dark he is, i mean, the man is from Africa!
Black folks aren’t supposed to be close-minded about complextion. Like, “if it ain’t light it ain’t right.” Who cares! You don’t lose any of the stereotypes to “other people” just cause you’re lighter. He looks damn good in those pictures with his flawless structure. Humph!
And…he was nominated for an Oscar twice if no one knew that.
116.
Kre8tivMind
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
He is definitely making me proud to be part of the African-American race. That man looks beautiful; dang near perfect. People can hate all they want because at the end of all of this-he’s getting a nice piece of change for this…lol
117.
MUSHROOM HEAD GET A LIFE !
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
COMPLEX GO SIT ON A BLADE IM TIRED OF LOOKING AT YOUR PIC WITH THAT THINNING ASS HAIR .WOOSAHHHHH CAN WE SAY “DO GRO ” OKAYYYYYYYYY
118.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
*trying to change the subject before a fight jumps off
Hey Ne’ !
What up Sweetness !!
Who is that naked pictured with you in you avatar ?
I thought I was the only man in your life ????
119.
DWANA
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
OK, NOBODY REMEMBERS HIM FROM JANET JACKSON’S VIDEO LOVE WILL NEVER DO ? HE IS SUPER FINE…HE IS NOT AS BAD AS SOME ARE SAYING…. HE ALSO PLAYED QUEEN LATIFAH’S LOVE INTREST ON BEAUTY SHOP. HE IS HANDSOME TO ME…
120.
Ne'
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
I would never fight on here bill
Im good @ bill and that’s Tyson beckford.
Sometimes I have to dip out on you. You havent pulled out the honey in a long while.:)
121.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
foxxy380
I see you
That wasn’t nice….Behave !
122.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
#117. I do, in fact, have a type of alopecia. Go figure. :).
123.
SUTHERNGIRLALWAYS
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
THA MANS BODY IS AMAZING…HIS SMILE IS AMAZING…HE IS AMAZING!!!!!
124.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Ne’ said:
I would never fight on here bill
Im good @ bill and that’s Tyson beckford.
Sometimes I have to dip out on you. You havent pulled out the honey in a long while.:)
Bill Said:
lol @ pulling out the honey…..
Ne’
That WHY I love you.
You say what you feel
&
You feel what you say
How old is you baby boy now ???
I bet he’s getting big
Post a New Avatar when you feel like it
cause
He’s a cutie
125.
Teach1
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Never posted on here before; just have to say this is a beautiful black man….
126.
Ne'
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
he’s 2 going on 23 Im proud to say he’s doing GREAT. He is so smart, its actually an amazing thing to watch your kids develop.
Yea you thought I forgot about the honey…NOPE!
127.
mushroom head get a life
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
OH DAMN FORREAL …YOU NEED TO WORK ON THAT MAMMA PUT ON A WIG OR SOMETHING ITS TOO MANY KOREAN HAIR SUPPLY STORE FOR YOU TO BE LOOKING LIKE THAT
128.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Ne’ said:
he’s 2 going on 23 Im proud to say he’s doing GREAT. He is so smart, its actually an amazing thing to watch your kids develop.
Yea you thought I forgot about the honey…NOPE!
Bill Said:
Ahh…
I love children, because they give you the opportunity to be a kid AGAIN…
When you feel like it, please post his avatar, so that we can tell you how handsome he is……
It’s great that you not having any difficulties.
Two is a tough age (”The Terrible Two’s).
129.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
No need to. I have ample amount of hair. It’s not as thick as it used to be, but I’m far from bald and it’s far from thin.. Thanks. But no thanks. You cant even visible see the spots hence the continual wearing of bangs and pulling my hair back.. K. Thanks. But No Thanks.
130.
sugarB
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
It’s about time main stream america recognizes different types of black beauty. Djimon is PURE african and PURE sexy. Not only does he have sex appeal he has a sexy voice and brains to match. Aint mad at Kimora!! (
131.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
complexndope said:
No need to. I have ample amount of hair. It’s not as thick as it used to be, but I’m far from bald and it’s far from thin.. Thanks. But no thanks. You cant even visible see the spots hence the continual wearing of bangs and pulling my hair back.. K. Thanks. But No Thanks.
Bill Said:
Baby Girl, I need to teach you a very important lesson on how to ignore people.
People are going to hate on you because your so Beautiful, Smart, and you have a nice singing voice (I really like your tracks).
Unfortunatly, the nature of SOME black woman is to nitpik & fight among the ranks.
IGNORE THEM
When someone says something unkind to you
IGNORE THEM
All they are trying to do is piss you off.
All the guys on Concreteloop are falling in love with you.
That’s why they hate on you so hard…..
Understand ???
Your Internet Boyfriend,
Bill
132.
MsKenya
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Body of a GOD…..but face of a Lizard!
133.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
BWAH! @ Bill.
So you say dear.
134.
windwalker1313
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Much respect to Damon and CK for putting together a very striking, yet classy photospread.
Hopefully, this is the beginning of an ‘additional career’ (serious modeling) for Damon. Looks great, especially for his age: 43yrs old.
Tyson Beckford ‘kicked the door down’. Damon, following, will ‘represent’ just as well. A very classy, composed, and articulate African brother.
Another pic for the ladies: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/...048_hounsou1_220getty.jpg
135.
mushroom head get a life
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
BILL OH PLEASE . IM STATING THE OBVOIUS . IM NOT NITPICKIN THIS IS CYBER WORLD FOR GODNESS SAKES . WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BE JEALOUS ONLINE ? YOU WONT EVER SEE THAT PERSON NOR DO THEY AFFECT ANY PART OF YOUR LIFE SO GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK .
136.
jscene
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
He’s barely okay, nothing to write home about. From some of the things i’ve read about him, i think he has issues about himself, really. But it’s a good thing he keeps his body in shape, cause other than that, nobody would be checkin for his ass.
137.
lea
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
he is pure ugly .nice abs though
138.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
mushroom head get a life said:
BILL OH PLEASE . IM STATING THE OBVOIUS . IM NOT NITPICKIN THIS IS CYBER WORLD FOR GODNESS SAKES . WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BE JEALOUS ONLINE ? YOU WONT EVER SEE THAT PERSON NOR DO THEY AFFECT ANY PART OF YOUR LIFE SO GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK .
Bill Said:
ok
but what I don’t understand is this;
The topic is Djimon Hounsou
not
ComplexandDope.
Why would you just randomly come out and attack her for no reason ?
She wasn’t talking to you
no one was….
I don’t understand why you would hate her so much, wishing that she would sit on a blade, then making remarks about her hair style & condition.
We’re all adults here
and
I’m sure she can take it, and she probably doesn’t need me defending her,
but what you said was really unkind, hurtful, and most importanly UNPROVOKED>
That’s all I’m saying.
Listen
I don’t want no beef wth you, I’m just saying, what you said was out of line & mean.
* BTW: We’re not suppose to attack one another…..I think that is one of the rules that Angel has set up.
Peace
139.
shezasupastar
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
There’s no doubt about it his boy is gorgeous but I just can’t for the life in me find him attractive!
140.
blk dds
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Djimon was in Michael Jacksons Black or White video along with Tyra Banks as well
“It’s Blk, it’s YT, yeah, yeah, yeah” - lol
141.
shezasupastar
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
correction***meant to say body
142.
jscene
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
SOME PEOPLE SHOULDN’T PUT UP PICTURES! LOL! GEEZ, AND GOT THE NERVE TO CRITIQUE SOMEONE ON HERE! LOL!
143.
sesamestreet
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
Lmaooooooo@ Mushroom head…whatever @ BIll I usually agree with you..but she was dead wrong for stating people think he’s gorgeous to be PC…GTFOH..this ignorant heffa can’t read minds as NE so eloquently stated. Complex you are a ignorant piece of low-life trash..and your comment was even lower..get a meaningful life…and FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!
Now Back to Dijimon..I find absolutely beautiful..ever since Janet Jackson “Love will never do without you” video i have a had a major crush on him..the white teeth..the pronounced nose…his beautiful smile…just a goregous package rolled into one.
*sigh* I’m lusting..and I rarely do that!
144.
Blunt and blunted
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
So here we are giving Djimon his props,
But have some of you ever stopped to think this guy doesn’t think the same about his female counterparts? Has any of you seen him with a chocolate, I mean DARK chocolate sista? I didn’t think so. You’ll sooner catch him with a porcelain snowbunny or a sometime-black woman like Kimora.
The love and adoration these charcoal, sexy men get from black women will never happen to charcoal, sexy women. Ever. So go on kissing his feet.
145.
delphi
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
complex, you should try to wear your hair naturally. its probably the chemicals that is messing up your scalp. Embrace the Naps!!!
146.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
LOL @ 143. My life is meaningful.
But how many posts have you seen where a person on this site, doesn’t give a dark-skinned/brown skinned person their props or speak highly of them (whether deserving or not) & they are automatically labeled as a “self hater”/not proud of their heritage…etc & so on.. TOO MANY TIMES. Then people start switching up, and agreeing just to fit in. The ratio of followers to leaders (and those who state their views/opinions AND stick to them with no qualms) are 10:1. My statement was based on an observation. If you are in that 10%…you were not in that “alot group”. Calm Down.
147.
complexndope
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
@ Delphi. I don’t remember the last time I put chemicals in my hair. The style in my avatar was achieved by some oil sheen & hours of flat ironing.
My immune system or lack thereof is the cause of my hair problems.
148.
bill
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
..anyways,
ATTENTION ANGEL (Owner: ConcreteLoop)
Speaking of Beautiful People: Angel just posted a new Thread called the ” Kelly Rowland Lookalike Contest”.
The pictures that she has on that thread are three of the prettiest Young Black Woman I have ever seen….
We have some really atractive ladies here on ConcreteLoop.
I’ve emailed Angel in the past about starting a “ConcreteLoop Top Model Search”, getting and “Taj The Photographer” to do a photo shoot with the winner
Angel, What do you think about that ideal ???
149.
jscene
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
@144
I SO AGREE WITH YOU, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I’VE READ A FEW ARTICLES AND LISTENED TO SOME OF THE THINGS HE HAD TO SAY, AND I (MY OPINION) DETECTED SOME ISSUES WITH THIS COLOR/RACE THERE!
AND USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES ABOUT THEIR RACE, YOU WON’T EVER SEE THEM WITH SOMEONE THAT LOOK LIKE THEM.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, AND THAT WHY I DON’T KISS NO ONE ASS! ESPECIALLY THE DON CHEADLES, VING RHAMES, AND NOW HIS ASS, WHO GET ACCLAIM FROM BLACK FEMALE FANS, AND THEY MARRY THE LIGHTEST BLACK WOMAN THEY CAN FIND, OR JUST SWITCH RACES PERIOD. I’M NOT AGAINST SOMEONE MARRYING OUT OF THEIR RACE (PERSONAL CHOICE), BUT WHEN YOU DELIBERATELY PICK ANOTHER RACE CAUSE YOU THINK IT’S BETTER THAN YOUR OWN, THEN THAT’S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN. SELF HATE IS A BITCH, AND ALOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING CELEBS SUFFER FROM THIS PROBLEM.
I’M DEFINITELY NOT CRITICIZING THE SISTERS ON HERE WHO ARE GIVING THEIR OPINION THAT THIS MAN IS A GOOD LOOKING MAN, BUT I SWEAR, ALL THE MEN THAT GET THEIR CHECKS BECAUSE BLACK WOMEN GO SEE THEIR MOVIES AND SUPPORT THEM, CAN KISS MY ASS. SOME MEN ARE MORE OPEN ABOUT THEIR PREFERENCE VERBALLY LIKE WESLEY SNIPES, AND THEN THERE’S THE SNEAKY ONES THAT JUST SAY IT WITH THEIR PARTNERS SKIN COMPLEXION.
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sesamestreet
Thursday, July 19, 2007 /
No that doesn’t have anything to do with it…you blatantly stated a falsehood..when you lumped everyone into the same category. Yes I see ignorant Mofo’s doing that all the time..but guess what..you are just as ingorant for your statement! Your statement was uncouth and unfounded. As many has stated on this board..they lthink he is attractive..and it have nothing ot do with being politically correct..so as I stated before GTFOH…And get a meaningful life!
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