Angel_Minded once again you are on point…Cheney is very much running things. For some reason people think Bush Sr. is helping Bush make decisions, when all actuality they rarely talk and Bush Sr. doesn’t agree with half of the decisions Bush has been making (or shall I say letting Cheney make) for this country.

Angel_Minded said:

@ 66 - So you would rather have an inexperienced president? I’m sorry but isn’t that what we currently have?

Bill Said:

“Experience” doesn’t necessarly equate success
Lyndon Johnson was a President who had More experience than any other President
(he spent over 20 years in Congress) but his Presidential Term was deemed a failure because of the United States involvement with Vietnam.

We may need someone as President who has a fresh perspective and new ideals.
Someone who hasn’t been beaten down & wartered down by Political Parties, or someone who is beholden to a certain mindset.

Although I do admit,Having Hilary Clinton as President would be great, because Bill Clinton would be wispering in her ear, giving her good sound advice
But
I think we need a fresh perspective, a differrent outlook.

We already had Bill Clinton as President.
Hilary Clinton is going to run the exact same campaign and have the exact same viewpoints.

It’s time for something different.

It’s time for a President that is concerned about Our Community & ALL communities.

*I’m NOT saying that Hilary Clinton doesn’t like Black People
Hilary Clinton is one of the most Progressive Canidates that I have seen SINCE Bill Clinton.
She’s actually JUST LIKE Bill Clinton in HER efforts to appeal to Black Voters

Respectfully,
Bill

#75, It is not because he is Black that he is considered a ‘good candidate’. He truly is one of the ‘best of the bunch’. Intellect, vision, eloquent, passionate, pedigree, domestic social policy, international policy, from the beginning on the correct side of the War, and ‘least tied to DC’, etc…

First and foremost, we should all be backing Obama. It shouldnt take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. He is a great candidate and we have to stand behind him on this 100%.

The story on Ray Jay and Lil Kim made me smile. Thats too cute

No comment on Suge and his boyfriend. Lol

#59 Tell us something we don’t know already. smh

#79, You said it: “…We should all be backing Obama. It shouldnt take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. He is a great candidate and we have to stand behind him on this 100%.”

Angel_Minded said:

I can’t understand if ya are just voting for Obama because he’s black or because ya truely feel that he can make some changes?

Just because a politician is black doesn’t mean they’re gonna work in our favor…just look at Condoleeza Rice…need I say more?

Isn’t it ironic that they have a black man running against Hilary (who is like the most hated amongst conservatives), it’s actually kind of funny…

Bill Said:

It’s amazing that whenever a Black Man runs for office, he has to have more or double the experience of his opponent.

It would be kind of like if YOU (assuming your a Black Man or Woman) were posting for a new job, you would have to have double the experience of your caucasian counterpart to even be considered worthy of the position. Wouldn’t that be unfair ???

People are saying that the only reason why People like Barack Obama is because he’s a Black Man.

Well…In MY opinion, he happens to be a good lawmaker, who just HAPPENS to be black !!!

Please don’t start labeling Barack Obama the “Black Candidate”
because
Then you would have to label Hilary Clinton “the Woman Candidate”

My Point: Label are fair, or even accurate of a person’s ability to do the job>

Question : Did Your Job hire you because you were Black or because you were Qualified ???

Respectfully,
Bill

At your earliest conveience, please take the opportunity to read this article about Barack Obama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...719/site/newsweek/page/0/

Peace

Ray-J needed to take some of that $20k and try to buy Kim her old face back.

Suge, Suge, Suge…WTF is wrong with you???

@ 78 - If I told you that another country was selling weapons of mass destruction to Saadam who is in the process of starting a war against us, would you say no to the war? Bush lied to Hilary & us (the American people) how is she to blame for being lied to? And all the qualities that you listed to describe Obama, does Hilary not have these same qualities?

Bill, everrything that you’ve said I do agree w/ to an extent. If I recall correctly, when Bill Clinton was in office our ecnomy was very good! Blacks were doing great also, however, with the state of our nation we don’t need ‘fresh ideas’ we need someone who’s smart, someone w/ experience to get our country out of it’s current mess. I would love to hear Obama’s plans for this country…but I’d prefer it from a VP’s standpoint.

I don’t anyone that would trust a rookie over a veteran to run our country…WOW

Angel_Minded said:

I can’t understand if ya are just voting for Obama because he’s black or because ya truely feel that he can make some changes?

Just because a politician is black doesn’t mean they’re gonna work in our favor…just look at Condoleeza Rice…need I say more?

Isn’t it ironic that they have a black man running against Hilary (who is like the most hated amongst conservatives), it’s actually kind of funny…

Bill Said:

It’s amazing that whenever a Black Man runs for office, he has to have more or double the experience of his opponent.

It would be kind of like if YOU (assuming your a Black Man or Woman) were posting for a new job, you would have to have double the experience of your caucasian counterpart to even be considered worthy of the position. Wouldn’t that be unfair ???

People are saying that the only reason why People like Barack Obama is because he’s a Black Man.

Well…In MY opinion, he happens to be a good lawmaker, who just HAPPENS to be black !!!

Please don’t start labeling Barack Obama the “Black Candidate”
because
Then you would have to label Hilary Clinton “the Woman Candidate”

My Point: Label are fair, or even accurate of a person’s ability to do the job>

Question : Did Your Job hire you because you were Black or because you were Qualified ???

Respectfully,
Bill

Correction: (I type way to fast sometimes…)

My Point: Label are UNfair, and they are not a clear determination of a person’s ability to do the job……

Bill

If I was hiring someone to run this country and if I had to review Obama’s vs Hilary’s resumes then I’d still Hilary…I’m sorry there are no ifs, ands, butts about it! We need to look at the facts…not at what the person ‘could’ do…history speaks volumes. I just think Obama needs more time to gain some.

And, I hate to state the obvious but Obama is a man of color, and COLOR is the only thing that Americans see…my point is is that America is very racist and if they had to choose between picking a BLACK MAN vs a WHITE WOMAN, then they’re gonna pick Hilary. It is what it is. And furthermore, when you are a person of color, you have to be better and smarter than the average white person because we are the most hated race…

Go BARACK!

~Suge you done lost your dern mind? Huh?

**Anybody with the name of Kim… Ray J will be calling you. He is such a punk. Lil Kim and Kim K got that money and left his behind. What a sad story.

Angel_Minded said:

Bill, everything that you’ve said I do agree w/ to an extent. If I recall correctly, when Bill Clinton was in office our economy was very good! Blacks were doing great also, however, with the state of our nation we don’t need ‘fresh ideas’ we need someone who’s smart, someone w/ experience to get our country out of it’s current mess. I would love to hear Obama’s plans for this country…but I’d prefer it from a VP’s standpoint.

I don’t anyone that would trust a rookie over a veteran to run our country…WOW

Bill Said:

Well, let’s examine recent History:
Jimmy Carter was a governor, elected to the Presidency….No National Experience.
Ronald Reagan was an Actor, then a Governor……..No national experience.
Bill Clinton was Governor, elected to the Presidency..No national experience.
George W. Bush was also a governor, elected to the Presidency..No national experience.

President’s have Cabinets and a Vice President that they would seek counsel from before making any decision.

Presidents also rely on Congress & the Senate to help assist in managing the country.

If Barack Obama was elected President, he would have plenty of help

Peace

It’s 2007 and black people in America still refuse to not allow themselves to be suckered. The black community has devolved to the level where they know how wicked the system is but they still endorse it, so what does that make you? The main reason why the other races come to America and surpass the blacks is because they know that America is not about it’s democracy, it’s about forming alliances and taking what you can for you and yours. As long as blacks continue to wait and hope on a politician to save them, they’ll remain in the bottom of the barrel. Like Yusef X said, just for whites to endorse and get behind this man is an indicator of his true allegiances. I mean please.

#84, Hillary went ‘along for the ride’ like almost all the other ‘experienced’ politicians when faced with Bush obvious lies and distortions. She is extremely intelligent (as you accurately noted) — she knew BETTER. She did not stand up when the country needed her. Bush didn’t fool anyone with common sense.

And, when she was LATER asked would she do it again (given the later public info), she said that she would!

It wasn’t until MUCH LATER (campaign time) that she said that her vote was a mistake.

She chose the politically expedient and intellectually lazy route. She (like all the other ‘experienced’ politicians) did not foresee the nightmare their fear and complicity would cause.

…Obama wasn’t even in DC and he sure as hell figured it out and called “bullshit” on the matter when Hillary and the rest of the ‘experienced’ politicians let us get abused by Bush.

Bill,

Your missing my entire point. LOL. But that’s okay…

I just love Oprah! I love how sucessful she is and displays something postive for black ppl and women but #75 has got me thinkin over here about that comment:good ole Condie- uncle- tommie Rice, HMmmm…

@ 91 - You know what, what else has Obama voted for or against…huh?

*Crickets*

You know why? ‘Cause he hasn’t been in office that long! LOL…so, he voted against the war…and? So you mean to tell me that that little bit of info (and of course, the fact that he’s black) is enough to convince you to vote for him? That’s insane!

Angel_Minded said:

Bill

If I was hiring someone to run this country and if I had to review Obama’s vs Hilary’s resumes then I’d still Hilary…I’m sorry there are no ifs, ands, butts about it! We need to look at the facts…not at what the person ‘could’ do…history speaks volumes. I just think Obama needs more time to gain some.

And, I hate to state the obvious but Obama is a man of color, and COLOR is the only thing that Americans see…my point is is that America is very racist and if they had to choose between picking a BLACK MAN vs a WHITE WOMAN, then they’re gonna pick Hilary. It is what it is. And furthermore, when you are a person of color, you have to be better and smarter than the average white person because we are the most hated race…

Bill Said:

Angel, I Like Hilary Clinton
I like her a lot.

I’ve been saying for the past year that if Hilary Clinton ran for President with Barack Obama as her VICE President, then they would win by a landslide !!!
but
Since that’s not going to happen….
My Choice is Barack Obama…..

Why: I like HIS viewpoint, and I’m impressed by his experience.

In my opinion, we’ve already had a “Clinton Whitehouse” and that period of time WAS good for the country.

If I had to choose between Barack Obama & Hilary Clinton, I would choose Barack Obama.

I respect your opinion and your viewpoint, Angel
You presented some very valid points.
I appreciate the debate.

Respectfully,
Bill

Thank you Bill & Windwalker1313, I couldn’t agree more.

I’m so sick of people saying Barack has no experience and treating Hillary as if she’s some expert. Hillary is an intellegent woman - no doubt, but her experience is in being a long time washington insider and that’s the reason why she has no backbone and has zero innovation. Any drive or principle she had in her as a young first lady is long gone. She is politics as usual and a far worse choice than Obama. I live in New York, she’s my junior senator and I haven’t been impressed to say the least. And lets not forget, she sent our solidiers to Iraq. Don’t let her jump on the bash President bush bandwagon because she is just as complicit. You can’t tell me “sorry I sent our troops to war, i was lied too”. If I knew this was a shame, some of your colleauges knew this was a shame, local politicians knew this was a shame, activist, academics, experts knew this was a shame and the rest of the world knew this was a shame….why didn’t you? If people are prepared to by her lies and pandering that’s fine, but I refuse to entertain that foolishness from her or anyone else from the democratic party. Because when the time came to make a difficult decision, she like so many other democrats once again proved they have no backbone. I don’t elect people to go with the flow, especially when it involves the lives of so many. I’m not interested in elected followers, I want to elect a leader.

Also, for those of you who “need to hear more” ab Barack, please understand that your not going to “hear” more unless you go out and seek the information. There is plenty of information out there on Barack and there are enough articles in the news papers as well. He has already participated in election debates against Hillary and he participated in the most recent debate moderated by Tavis Smiley and other journalist of color. Please stop buying into the media’s “barack has no experience” “what does he stand for” spin. Guilini has no experience either, he was only a mayor, and to many new yorkers, not a good one. what exactly qualifies him or a host of the other candidates.

In all honesty, my pres. choice is a tie between Dennis Kucinich and Obama. Obama however is the more polished, more likely to win candidate of the two and I think there is something to be said for having a change in the face of the white house as well. Hillary, doesn’t even factor in. I’ll only vote for her, if my choices dwindle down to her or someone worse as was the case in the last election.

#94, Please read #96 for my response!

And #96, I too prefer Kucinich, but unfortunately he doesn’t have a chance.

I met Suge at the Sugar Shane fight in Vegas back in feb….His big ass is sexy as hell. Im suprised ol’ boy didnt lose that finger. I’d wrestle him, w/o the biting of course! As for Oprah, all that cheese she got, you would think that she is a Republican! Dunno who Ill be voting for just yet, have to do more research

@ 96 what makes you think Obama isn’t a follower as well? The White House is infamous for using blacks as escape goats…

I have to admit that I did enjoy your passage about how awful and spineless Hilary is but you made no valid points about Obama at all! If you ask anybody (white, black etc,) why Obama is a better candidate I can almost guarantee you that other than him being a man of color they have no knowledge of his ‘leadership qualities’ nor his plans for this country. And then you have the audacity to say that Hilary is a follower? Everyone on this thread is so quick to say that Obama ‘08 yet they need Bill to direct them to sites where YOU have to find info about him! Why should we have to search for info to determine if he’s good for the job…shouldn’t he be campaigning in these ‘black communities’? No one on this thread knows anything about him…NOTHING!

@ Bill, your entitled to your opinion…I

#99, Obama’s ideas and philosophies can be found all over the Internet.

People who are serious about electing a leader of ‘any sort’ should take the time to read up on that individual — even if it takes up personal time to do so. You owe it to yourself, and to everyone else who will be impacted by YOUR choices.

You statement that “No one on this thread knows anything about him” is grossly inaccurate.

Okay…

So I guess you (as well as others) haven’t took the time to read up on him…but, Obama ‘08! Right? LOL.

#101, Huh? No. My point was that I and many other actually HAVE taken the time to read up on Obama (and other candidates) ….which is why I and other folks on the board today have been able to give you very sound reasons for support of a particular candidate….whereas — and I’m not trying to harsh or disrespectful — some of your political comments and observations seem mis-informed and/or dated

Angel_Minded said:
Okay…

So I guess you (as well as others) haven’t took the time to read up on him…but, Obama ‘08! Right? LOL.

Bill said:

I just didn’t feel like arguing (debating) the issue anymore…

If one wants to know Barack Obama’s postion or viewpoint all one has to do is google “Barack Obama”

No need for me to regurtitate what he has already said.

WHY IS SUGE WITH SO MANY WHITE PEOPLE? BRITNEY, PARIS, KEVIN, WTF

@ #99

I’m sorry, but I am Hillary’s constiuent. She is my Senator. The purpose of my post was to address the constant praise and faith she is getting for what I consider to be a mediocre job - at best. Not to do a side by side comparison of her and Barack. I’m not here on this blog to campaign for Barack, which is exactly why I didn’t use my post to do so. I wanted address the fact that the media has created a spin that is painting Hillary Clinton as this principled and quaified candidate when it is absolutly incorrect. If I wanted to campaign for somebody on this site it would be Kucinich, just for the simple fact most people aren’t goning to get to here is message. Especially since Ms. Clinton herself and Mr. Edwards were just caught working to keep him and other candidates out of the next presidental debate - (real believers in democracy).

I was first introduced to Barack through his communitity organizing long before he was a candidate and even felt then that this man has the vision and the creativity that this country needs. He is very much a leader and he know how to lead from the ground up. My interest in him goes far beyond his being black and I find it ridiculous for you to assume that people on this site are only interested in him for that reason. We have never had a president that was non-white and non-male in our entire countries history. If you ask me it’s not us who are the one’s pre-occupied with race - I it’s the other way around.

Furthermore, please point me to these people who are so knowledgeable about Ms. Clinton’s record? Most people, I’ve encountered are interested in her for 2 reasons - she’s a woman and Bill Clinton. There are a lot of non-educated voters in this country, however it’s only when Obama’s in question that people question a supporters intentions. Once again, this is a result of this constant spin Obama’s getting - being painted as an unqualified candidate. Even if I wasn’t an Obama supporter i felt it was worth mentioning, because Hillary is getting a free pass. To call people on this site followers completely overlooks the fact that Hillary supporters are doing the same. Just because you support Obama, it doesn;t mean your just going w/ the flow. America is a country of legions of uneducated voters who support a whole bunch of candidates.

Also, Obama has campiagned in the black community and he has an entire year to continue to do so? So once again, I don’t get your point? Therefore I will restate my point which was, that if you want to learn about a candidate you need to be interested in doing so them. How many people watched the last debate? It was on public television, so if you have a t.v. or an AM radio you had access to listening to him and hillary and a whole bunch of other candidates go toe toe? The also expicilty discussed race and blakc america. The information is out there, for every candidate, but it’s not going to just fall in your lap. If you plan to vote (for whomeever), you should take you time to be informed. Maybe if more people did that this woud stop being a popularity contest. That’s what got us into the mess where in in the first place.

102 - This is hilarious to me. Everyone keeps bashing Hilary yet praising Obama w/ no valid reasons. On every post its like the same comments…’If you go to this website, or if you google that’ , why is it that I have to search anything? These people that are saying is the better candidate can’t tell me off hand why…they have to direct me to a site…that says nothing about why he’s the better candidate…
It’s becoming clearly evident to me that one on this thread understands politics, therefore, I’m not gonna continue to rehash anything else, I’m done…

What’s up with Ray J and the older ladies? Was the sex with Kim K. so bad that now he only wants older chicks.

chillin in ny - You mad very valid points. Although, I’m just not sure that I can trust Obama for the job, he seems to be saying all the right things, but when your in politics you have to have connections…you have to know people. But I’m not gonna bash him, I’m just gonna agree to disagree b/c I no longer have the energy to keep saying the same things over and OVER again…

But I can’t let ignorance fester so I’m gonna rehash it once again for ya, only this time I’m gonna have a friend explain it better.. “you almost seem confident in your conviction.. “almost” lol specially If I knew what that were. The reason allot of folks associate mrs Clinton with the golden years of bills rein is because behind every strong man, is an even stronger woman. Hilary has exceed on her own because of her brilliance- Bill saw it and embraced her - other New Yorkers saw this and have done the same- if you had something legitimate to say I’d think you’d said it and not babbled along saying nothing. Yes this is a democracy and you as the “informed” American you say you are should know that not everyone that think they got something to say can say it during this limited time of the democratic debate- if that were the case then the real candidates wouldn’t have time to speak so get real. And you stated that Hilary and Edwards are the ones blocking this idiot from speaking - then clearly you didn’t get the memo that Obama is too. Ok, You’re entitle to support anyone you chose to support- if Hilary’s not your gurl then so be- but its pretty obvious to me that it’s easier for you to tell me were to obtain info at on obama because you have nothing of substance to add on your own”

@ Angel_Minded

You know, if your going to have other people speak for you, you should make sure they have something to contribute to the conversation. I think you were doing much better on your own.

If you want sumise Ms. Clinton’s record to “behind every good man is a good woman”, that’s fine, but that’s not how I choose to vote. Furthermore, as much of a good president Clinton was, there was much about his record (& i’m not talking about the scandals) that could be called into question to, so in defense of Ms. Clinton, I would actually stray away from that argument. The same way you claim people praise Obama uniformed is the same way the praid Bill, there’s a lot of hype there - trust me.

Furthermore, if you or your friend are interested in continuing to support an election process that doesn’t allow for a real discussion of issues and lets candidates ride on being “a good woman to their man” then that’s fine, but to my knowledge it was Edwards and Clinton who were caught on tape discussing blocking other candidates and it was their campaigns that had already started working on that prior to being caught on tape. No where have I heard about Obama’s involvment and even if he was involved, that does not clean Hillary’s hands - so what’s you point. There are plenty of other serious candidates, who have considerable support but don’t have the star power and resources. I’m sorry, but I would like to hear from them instead of just the candidates we have been force fed. Yes - that is what one should expect in a democracy and that is what Ms. Clinton and crew should expect as well as candidate. Because in a debate its not about who has the better ad or the biggest smile, its about listening to candidates challenge each other and their are serious candidates that can pose a good challenge in ideas. As a candidate she should want to be challenged and want American’s to hear an actual discussion of issues, not a sound bite. We haven’t even had primaries yet, how dear anyone tell us voters that we don’t need to hear from someone else!

And last but not least. You keep on knocking Obama supporters for leading you external websites for information, but you yourself have provided no information on Hillary. If you consider cutting and pasting information from wikepedia as you did in previous post providing information, than I hope you do a little more reasearch before you step into the voting both. The point of directing people to outside infomation is so that they can make their own informed decisions about a candidate as supposed to debating over cherry picked cut and paste information. If you do now know much about Obama, don’t assume everyone else doesn’t either. I’ve taken the time to be informed on all the hopefulls, even the obsure ones, this is why I can talk about Ms. Clinton in confidence. She’s not the worse of bunch at all, and she has a lot to be respected for, but she is in no way shape or form the most qualified and the best suited for president.

hahaha…

sweetie, once again YOU have contributed nothing to the conversation, you have in turned wrote up, yet again, another passage not really stating anything. When I posted that information from Wilkepedia it was to further dictate my point on her efforts to install a new healthcare plan for the US. which, as I stated in a previous post, that Canada used it as their blueprint and they now have one of the most successful healthcare systems…in the world…in laymans terms Hilary is brillant. But yet, as my friend stated, you can give no examples of how brillant Obama is. You stated in your earlier posts that Obama was creative and innovative…you have yet to give me any examples…instead you choose to babble about how mediocre of a job that Hillary’s done and how Obama is creative w/ new insightful ideas for how to lead this country…sweetie, I’m still waiting…lol. And I don’t need to post large articles or tell you were to look to furthere edcuate yourself on Mrs Clinton, because her reputation and history preceedes her…she doesn’t have anything to prove…Obama does. If your gonna post large essays, then I’m gonna need you to post something about Obama that’s relevant to issues that our countriy’s facing…thanks! LOL.

Oh and btw, if you knew anything about Hilary, besides her forgiving Bill for getting blowjobs, then you would know that she did tons of stuff as a first lady way more than Obama could accomplish in a lifetime! For instance she started tution reimbursements for minorities, got funding for afterschool programs…I could go on and on…and it’s funny that YOU should think that she’s mediocre seeing as how all the things that she accomplished while in the White House benefited the minorities (blacks) the most! I’m beginng to see that women hate women…it’s a damn shame, that you could tear her down with such ignorance yet back up an opponent w/ no or little evidence to support your claims…unbelievable!

Angel_minded I heart you

ahahaha…thanks Tammy…

If ppl would just admitt to voting for the man b/c he’s black , it would be less debate on this topic.

Wow, your discussing how woman don’t support each other, but you begin your post by reffering to me as sweetie. I think I’ve been quite respectful, but to each it’s own.

Also, do you really know anything about the Canadian Healthcare system? Do you know anything about Tommy Douglass, the act of 72 or the more recent healthcare acts. Are you seriously trying to credit Hillary Clinton with creating Canda’s healthcare system. If you are, I’m even more frightend!? And she isn’t campaining for universal healthcare now so what’s your point exactly? All of the new healthcare programs institued in NY state for the underinsured were at the hands of our governer and state assembly, which she had no involvment in, so once again, what’s your point?

The things I stated in my post are clear and I’m not going to do what you did and rattle off accomplisments without giving the proper supporting information for the type of critical analysis required for a vote. I’m also not going to be tested on my Obama knowledge, this is not a trivia game, it’s an election.

I also find it interesting that you define my critique of Ms. Clinton as another example of woman not supporting each other. I guess with that logic a critique of Barack would equate to blacks not supporting each other? I’m smart enough not to think this way and I would hope that would be the case with anyone planning to vote.

This discussion is long over, because from the looks of your last post, your clearly getting defensive, hence, there’s no more conversation to be had. I’ve made my, point, loud and clear as have a few other. You cast your vote, I’ll cast mine.

I’m sorry you lost me at your point about NY healthcare? What does one have to do w/ the other? Hilary’s plan for US heathcare was shot down…it was never implented in the US so your whole point about NY healthcare…to me is pointless…but whatever…and btw, I only get defensive when ignorant people try to make ‘logical’ points…but uhh thanks for the debate…

* forgot to add. why haven’t you asked me to rattle off Kucinch’s accomplishments? I said I was his supporter as well as did someone else on this site? Why not questions about him?

Why is it so inconceivable that black people support Obama because they like his politics, the same way they like Clinton’s, Kucinches or anyone elses. I find it insulting that when a black candidate is running for office, his loyalties are only chalked up to race, although white people have been running for office and electing each other in this country for 100 hundreds.

THAT’s why I won’t defend my support for Obama, because it shouldn’t have to be defended. If people were interested in learning more information about him that’s one thing, but these questions are for the sole purpose of testing someones knowledge as if Obama’s such a terrible candidate it is inconcievable why some would vote for him. I refuse to participate in the logic that perpetuates this idea where black people have to constantly prove themseleve while white are given the benefit of the doubt. Especially when the person doing the questioning is supporting a candidate who they themselves have still provided no real information about. And from the looks of your post I know a lot more about YOUR candidate than you do and not just the bad things, the good things as well. I voted for her when she ran for senate and I have been dissapointed since she got into office. I know a lot about Ms. Clinton and her record as my work has interesected with a lot of her bad and good decisions, so your discussion is better spent on someone who is uniformed.

ok, so now i’m ignorant. no need to continue this discussion. The point on NY healthcare was in relationship to her role as a NY Senator to bring federal dollars in for healthcare initiatives in the state she’s elected to represent. See, my point wasn;t about what she tried to do in the past and failed at, but what she was doing now, in the present.

when people have nothing of substance to contribute they result to insults. I’m far from and I’m certainly not go to defend my intellengence over the internet. I also have enough class not to resorting to insulting people over the internet so Angel_Minded, I hope you enjoy the rest of your day and have a great weekend.

chillin in ny - now look who’s getting defensive…lol

In my earlier post to Bill, I stated that as black people we are and have always been expected to be better than the average white person because we are the most hated race. So we always have to prove that we are equal and can compete w/ them on their level. And as for your statement about how my comment about women hatin women can be compared to blacks not supporting blacks, I say this to you, I don’t support people (regardless of color) whom I don’t believe are qualified for the job. This makes me un-bias.

Also, this isn’t a game of who knows Obama the best, I’m not trying to test your knowledge of his accomplishments. I don’t know anything about Obama, as far as, why he’s the better canidate…but when I see you posting these comments about how creative and innovative he is, it makes me wonder where your getting your info, in addition, to what he’s done to make you think that he has these qualities. And when you write these long paragraphs saying that Hilary is mediocre I get seriously offended because I already know of her accomplishments and to me, they were in no way mediocre…so my whole point was, is that if your gonna praise him at least give me examples of why you feel that way, so that I in turn will possibly change my positions…or become more educated.

And then your whole point on her plan for healthcare was complete bs, I don’t know why you started babbling about NY but Canada did take ideas from her proposal and there is nothing wrong w/ their heathcare…and if you’ve seen such films as ‘Sicko” you would already know that we have a fcked up healthcare system…45 million americans w/ healthcare…so please explain what was the point of that post?

YOU NIGGAS WILL NEVER EXCEED US . NICE TRY! IF THE PUPPET ACT RIGHT WE MAY LET HIM IN IF NOT WE WILL DO A MLK ON HIM. HEHE

Nope not true….I was there Kevin was mad because Nikki Hilton (Kevin’s Ex) was following Suge Knight around like a puppy all night. It was at an ESPY after party it was pretty small and Kevin was chilln lookin like a sad puppy because Nikki was ignoring him. The end.

we are a 3 branch country, checks and balance. Executive-President, Legislative the houses and Judicial the Courts.

Presidents appoint judges to the Supreme Court, Houses are run by the majority. It’s all a game. I personally want someone new to the presidency seat. I like what I’ve learned about Obama. H Clinton gives me a sneaky vibe and always has. The republicans have had their chances.

I have seen Sicko and i loved it….and yes our healthcare system is f*cked up. So exactly what is your point? Canada had public healthcare, long before Hillary Clinton was first lady and she did not revolutionalize their public healthcare system and didn’t revolutionize ours for that matter either. Furthermore she is not campaigning for universal healthcare and in her current role as an elected representative she has done little to ensure access to healthcare for her constituency or the country as a whole. Hillary has said she’s ready to tak on the insurance companies, well she has the perfect oppourutnity to right now. United Healthcare has been trying to instute a ranking system that will essentially cheat doctors and patients and beneift them all around the country to much resistance and now its finnally made it to NY. Our attny general is prepared to prosecute and our elected officials are ready for the battle, but where’s Ms. Clinton? I guess you can’t take on the same insurance compaines that are funding your campaign?

Neither Clinton or Barack are campaigning for truely free universal health care, but Barack’s plan is much more progressive and also calls for garunteed eligibility for prexisitng conditions and portability. Two very important things, in addition to affordablitity. So once again, I don’t get your point. If you going to argue about Hillary’s record on healthcare you have to recognize that 1. she failed in her first attempt 2. has not done anything to make up for it as a legislature and 3. does not have the most progressive healthcare plan as she campaigns for president.

That’s extremely nice of Oprah. Black people UNITE! Obama WILL be president of ‘08, whether America is ready or not! Racism or no racism!

People say that if Hillary is elected President of ‘08, he’ll make Obama his VP……..I DOUBT IT! I don’t trust white people when it comes to doing anything positive for a black person. But I do think that if Obama is elected President of ‘08, he’ll make hilary his VP! Either way, we need both people in office to clean up the damages!

Gett…. .the …..HOT……. Sause…… Ready!!!! damn somebody feed his big hungry ass… fo he bite some thing/somebody else…. I guess food aint cuttn it no more nigg got Tyson syndrome I hope he aint no kids he’d proly eat they lil ass. This a sad world we live in

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Thank you sis, as usual, you get the point. Negroes are trying to dig, research, and if need be fabricate information that justifies them voting for Obama other than him being “black” because they’re scared of being called racist. Black people have become so weak. Especially the brothers. Alot of ya’ll should be ashamed of yourselves. In 2000 it was Gore, in 2004 it was Kerry, and now it’s Obama who’s the new messiah.

Judah, you’re about the only male with the exception of a few on here with some sense . I try not to go into long detail about things b/c I will get attacked by other poster. I also find it just pure comedy at the praise of Oprah (which by the way is a middle aged white women ) . black ppl stand for nothing now -adays and swear they making a change . what a damn shame !

Y’ALL ALREADY SAID IT FOR ME……HE IS CRAZY…….

NAH, NAH, NAH, NAH……..DON’T GET IT TWISTED………YOU MEAN KIM’S HOLDING HER GAME DOWN…….LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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I completely agree about the $$ aspect. Once it was reported that Obama out-raised Hillary people ran with it as though he had the most $$. Hillary even carried over $10 million from her bid for the Senate. She even has more cash on hand than all the Republican candidates together. So, Hillary has more cash on hand, but Obama has raised more than she did.

I really didn’t want to get into a political debate today so that’s why I just said “Good for Oprah” in my initial post.

Now let me continue reading the comments…

ummm Ray J spent 20gs on Kim? That doesnt = game. Spending lavish amounts of

money on a chic is the antonym of game. That just makes him a trick. Tricking for

some chic that everybody already done run thru already.

Thank chillin in ny, for your post about Obama’s plans for our healthcare system…see was that so hard? LOL. I never said that Hilary revolutionized Canda’s healthcare system I was simply stating that they implented some of her ideas into their own healthcare system…so sorry if I said that they used her ‘exact’ system, because they didn’t. But my point is till valid, had her system been implented then maybe our current healthcare wouldn’t be as fcked up. I never said that Hilary (or Obama) were currently advocating universal healthcare, I was only stating things that she had done while she was in the white house…I am not up to speed on her current achievements…but trust I’m sure they are up to par. I’m just curious as why you have used soo much effort (and no actual evidence) to support Obama? What has he done to make you fight me soo hard on these issues? I mean you’ve stated that he has nothing to do w/ race but I’m starting to believe differently…

@ 132…Your right our healthcare system would be in better shape if her plan went through, but it didn’t and she has no current plan for universal health care. Kucinich on the other hand is the only candidate with a universal healthcare plan. Barack’s plan comes in a close second. I think I’ve made my point on Obama, Hillary and Kucinich clear enough. I’m headed off to get some drinks. Everyone have a great friday nite!

Thats what he gets for trying to be “cool” with Suge. You dont wrestle with Suge Knight…wtf…are you crazy?!? Cuz we all know Suge’s ass is.

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

SUGE KNIGHT…..NO COMMENT

RAY PIMPIN I SEE, OKAY

FIRST all I wanna say is WTF but then wth mane lol.I wonder what they were arguing about bad enough fr them to scuffle and for Suge’s psycho ass to bite him?! Dude was brave ti argue with that n0gga forreal. -_o

I’m indifferent about Oprah sooo…*shrugss shoulder @ her backing Barack*

Random thought but damn you can rack up money like that for one person……how about all those Katrina victims?

lol @ the Suge story… im dyin over here

OOLO eve got scurrrrrrrred she new CL would be the toughest questions she would hafta answer lolololol,…….. ray j needs to stop lil kim is a hustler….. ray just got played.. ask scott storch? lolol….. go lil kim to the pond shop lolol obama is cute oprah is nice for this , but 2300 i aint gittn nuffin to eat fug dat . ill stay home lololo

oh those who say ray j is pimpn better think again he got pimped……. a pimp gits not give so that means lil kim pimped ray j stupid ass lolo

Suge always eating.

I’m riding with Hilary so far.
Suge is psychotic and Kevin is just ignorant given that dudes history I would have taken the first exit as soon as I realized we shared the same space.
Ray J you could have spent that money on food to replenish the dwindling food bank supplies around America.

Obama may just end up being the First Black President, However, why am I not to ecited about it?