ms_mac
Thursday, September 27, 2007

@ birdmane12, You might be too young to remember but BET had a VERY successful show on at one time and dare I say there were PLENTY of women in suits in the videos. In fact, I rarely if ever saw a video with pure booty popping. That show was called Video Soul and it was quickly canceled once gangster rap, hardcore R&B and all that other stuff started making more money than other genres like Jazz, soul and R&B.

exactly my point bet is about money and rating and what many of you are asking it to do which is go back to the old days of making good nice videos is long gone.

i may be young but i know a lot of our people never supported c.Deloris tucker and many people did not fight with the government to stop 2 live crew to make those type of videos.

so i say in a lot of ways it not t.i or nelly because they were young then too its the black people who are 30 ,40 and 13 yrs ago who supported gangster rap ,tupac shakur and 2 live crew but now they are regretting it.

its coming back to bite people in the butt ya know if they had helped c.Deloris tucker protest gangster rap and supported the government when they were trying to stop 2 live crew from making explicit videos this would never had happen.

MarvinJH, I will be honest with you. I don’t own any of Talib’s stuff but I do own God’s Son by Nas , Like Water for Chocalate by Common, and several by OutKast. I’m really from the old school but you are right….it is all about perspective. No I would not do a job that hurt my community. I would not put posion in the lunches of school children despite the fact the job would pay a million a year. And I wouldn’t degrade black women in front of the WHOLE WORLD all in the name of, “I need to feed my kids”. Nope, won’t do it. But apparently, many of these rappers parents influenced them incorrectly because they seem to do it without remorse as long as they are getting paid. Shame on their parents.

I did not see part two but I did see part one. I would have to say it is a waste of time to beat the horse to drink.

The point of the matter is this…. TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS! It does not matter if you are on Television or walking down the street, people need to start owning up to the way they dress, talk, and conduct themselves.

If they wanted to be honest, why not just say the truth, they become whatever the record label tells them to become, whatever the image is the record label wants for them to be for the money they will become.

Life Imitates Art! When we watch television or listen to any sort of media it shapes are preception of life and if the life around us does not add up to the preception of the media we create it so that it makes sense to us. Our minds ae very powerful! We are social beings and our entire lives are based on social elements, so to say it starts at home is just not enough, that’s why the saying “IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD” holds so much weight.

I believed that the show did put the issues out there and I’m glad everyone got to speak their piece but I still don’t feel that anything got resolved. I really felt for Nelly when he talked about the whole Spelman incident but at the same time he should have thought about what type of backlash he would recieve from the infamous”tip drill” video. And just like he said he had the right to put that video out , the women at Spelman had the right to say they did not want to participate in his blood drive. That also goes to show people that one bad decision can not only affect your life but others as well. Now if he didn’t make that video people would have been more willing to help him. And I am tired of them using the excuse raise your kids! I mean don’t get me wrong a lot of black parents do need to raise their kids but how can they teach their child values that are right at home and then the kids go out and they are constantly getting these negative messages by listening to their ipods 12 hours out the day or seeing this stuff repeately on television. It basically like it subliminal messages 24 hours a day. So when they constantly hear these beliefs and ideas on a regular basis they begin to believe in them. And i’m sure kids spend more time listening rappers than they do to their parents.

Oh no MarvinJh, brother I was with C. Deloris Tucker. I saw what was happening then and I was sounding the alarm. I’ve said many times, the simultaneous explosion of NWA and 2 Live Crew threw Hip Hop and the black community in a dilemma we have yet to recover. Those two groups changed Hip Hop and the black community and not in a good way. My opinions on negative Hip Hop are not somthing new. Even then I was saying bring the fun back to Hip Hop.

I’M SICK OF ALL DIS MUSIC, ALL OF IT, AND ALTHOUGH I LIKE ME SOME ‘DEVIL MUSIC’, I HAV BEEN AT SO MUCH PEACE SINCE I GAVE IT UP AND MY MODELING, DIS INDUSTRY IS SUPA HARD ON WOMEN AND MY GOD, I CAN TELL U SOME STORIES, I BEEN CALLED EVERYTHANG BUT HOLY

OMG the series is not over until next week it was amazing they had the editor there from Essence, TI, Nelly, Master P, and others who all made valid points on the issue, LOL Nelly was mad pissed especially when the Editor from Essence started knocking him for the Tip Drill video but he and Ti made very solid points, educating children from whats right and wrong in the videos and what to take from them starts in the home. As most of us in the black community are blaming rappers for their lyrics and the content of their videos but its their form of art and self expression it is thier right to be able to express what they have been through and what they learned from it. Yes, they are the prime figures of interest for those not within the black community but education still starts in the home with the parents and I personally dont think its right to blame the artists for problems with parenting skills.

UM NO. They may be able to express themselves but its not like they don’t get paid to do JUST THAT on the regular. Yes. If I made a song called Tip Drill and the video displayed mass foul content, I too would be able to provide a reason why i’d spend my money doing so. Yo! My beef with the industry is, why can’t people, men and women be more responsible for what they put out? Back in the day it was a bout SKILL and if you didn’t have it, you would be KICKED THEE F^CK OFF STAGE. Now, we can’t even decide if its the audience or the artist that needs to be kicked out of the arena. We as a community need to reflect the positivity that is overlooked more than that B!TCH at the party, that ROCK in the pipe, NEEDLE in the arm, PIMP with the cane and so on. When a rapper or a MAN and WOMAN reach an age and/or a stage in life where being a HOT MESS is not cool. I cannot respect TI or NELLY’s weak comments for why they are continuing to throw dirt in the game. Get ya grown man on and stop thinking its cool to make it rain on dem hoes all the time. You left your block years ago, get over it. I know I strive everyday to get off of mine. That hip hop vs. America sh!t is played because its been messed up before anyone grabbed a mic and spit a verse. My beef is with rappers being consumed by their FAKE identities and losing themselves and creating clever marketing schemes to take everyone down with them.

One last thing MarvinJH, you are actually right about a lot of people today supported the stuff back then (Yes I am the exception but a lot of people my age supported it). And now it seems like we’ve reached a point of no return. But I believe if enough people got together, it could happen.

MarvingJH, I can say though I basically disagree with you, at least you are making me think. So I got to give you credit for that.

OK, why is my post being moderated. Who I done pissed off??? lol

Personally I feel the catalyst of hip hop is the system. When hip hop began it was an artform for those to express about the conditions and circumstances that they were expierencing. So to a certain point I feel what the rappers are saying when they talk about certain issues they witness but at the same time I feel its loosing its authenticity because corporate america has formulated into a money making machine and some rappers are just puppets pulled by the strings of corporate americas greed.
As far as the show everyone on the panel had valid points to make. I really like what Cornell West roughly said about how the continous derogratory images that we see of our black women and men stunts our growth in expanding our minds. I truly feel that the parents are PRIMARILY responsible in raising their children. Yes, it does take a village to raise a child but if your children are educated enough they wont even feed into that bullshit. All in all if people want to see change, IT STARTS WITHIN IN YOURSELF. YOU AS THE CONSUMER DO NOT HAVE BUY OR MIMIC WHAT YOU SEE OR HEAR. EVENTUALLY, THIS WILL FORCE RAPPERS TO BE MORE CREATIVE, CLEVER, AND CONSCIOUS IN THE RAP GAME.

Peace

velvetj
Thursday, September 27, 2007

Oh no MarvinJh, brother I was with C. Deloris Tucker. I saw what was happening then and I was sounding the alarm. I’ve said many times, the simultaneous explosion of NWA and 2 Live Crew threw Hip Hop and the black community in a dilemma we have yet to recover. Those two groups changed Hip Hop and the black community and not in a good way. My opinions on negative Hip Hop are not somthing new. Even then I was saying bring the fun back to Hip Hop.

but your one person lets be honest the same black people complaining now was not helping c.deloris tucker or the government back in the day take down gangster rap and degrading videos.

so did nelly or t.i have a choice yes but there elders allowed them to have that right to make those type of videos ya know so some of these people running around acting all goody good needs to take up for they allowed also.

OH I ALMOST 4GOT, WAT’S HANNEN PERCY! NEW ORLEANS REPPIN FA SHO, HUHBRUH!, LOL

I hope this plays over and over again on BET because these are some hair-raising issues that need to be addressed over all. I enjoyed hearing everyone’s point of view during this snippet. Everyone, everyone really made some valid points. Im glad Nelly and T.I. were choosen to speak as well because they are big time and usually controversial rappers if thats what you want to call them.

velvetj

my fault for basically posting the same thing of course we going to disagree different eras lol but i think as long as we realize that hip hop aint going to change unless the videos shows change and people actually go out there and support positive music.

because at the end of the day rappers are about making easy money and they’ll do that no matter what if they got to curse or not get half naked women in there videos or women with dress suits on.

@ marvinjh, You do bring up some good points. As far as the whole C. Delores Tucker thing, I think back then Black people were so pressed to come into their own (so to speak) that they would have advocated ANYTHING that allowed them to seem like they were defying Massa. lol. It’s like a child disobeying a parent just for the sake of disobeying. As many Blacks as their are in the church, and as powerful as Black churches can be when they want to be, they were mysteriously silent when this issue was at the forefront. I personally think it was an act of defiance on the part of Blacks as a whole and a way for them to say show the “White man” that they didn’t have to do things their way, no matter how instrumentally detrimental it was in the long run. I think they saying is Bite Your Nose To Spite Your Face.

Hip Hop rappers are so defensive because this garbage that happens to wonderful beat lines is their lifeline. They must know in their inner hearts that the lyrical content of their music is offensive, degrading and pointless, but they feel they need to sell their souls for the money. It’s all about money. Black men need to realize that doo rags, braids and pants worn down to the ankles will keep them crying foul about life. The really bad part is that there are several rappers who are in their mid 30s who do not want to grow up.

Don’t be fooled, this “discussion” is just to appease people after the “HOT MESS/WE GOTTA DO BETTER” fiasco, BET doesn’t care about black people like that so let’s not act like it’s so brave and nice of them.

LORD, don’t get me started on this topic. I blame everyone. Rappers, consumers, video chicks, radio, labels, video directors, parents, we all play a part in it. But I’ll tell you why artists are partly responsible, because they seem to refuse to admit it.

It amazes me how, these artists claim to this job to influence and REACH people, to share their music “that they put their hearts and souls on” with an audience, but the moment THEY ACTUALLY INFLUENCE people, they wanna blame it on everything but themselves.

Nelly says music isn’t everything,which is true, but music influences people and feeds their minds. It’s UNDENIABLE. Music inspired people, Stevie, James Brown or Ray Charles INFLUENCED people, music has ALWAYS have an impact on people’s minds and behavior since slavery when slaves were singing to God in the plantations for their freedom, it empowered them. During movements, the crowd would sing EMPOWERING songs to encourage the people. So while we can’t blame everything on music, let’s not overlook the impact that it has, because life may immitate art but art immitates life too and more and more. Our culture is POPULAR, the WORLD watches it and immitates it, THE WORLD wears BAGGIES, THE WORLD is rapping rightnow and singing R&B, even in India and Russia people rap, when one person can have the WORLD acting like them, singing what they sing, dressing like them, that’s how powerful music is, it is an power that influences the masses subconsciously and consciously. And I’ll tell you more, black people didn’t stereotype each other UNTIL that rap music shit got mainstream, until the media exposure, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS VERY SITE, black men calling sisters golddiggers, bitches and hoes and sisters calling brothers male hoes, deadbeat dads and thug-wannabees. So how can we ignore music, especially when it is part of OUR culture (whether we like it or not) and hurts us?? We don’t get to choose whether we can let it invade us or not IT HAS ALREADY TAKEN OVER, we’re living in a society OF SOUND & IMAGE!! You go to the mall TV & Radio are on. You go to any public place, you see ads, you hear music, you see videos. Whatever happened to “It Takes A Village To Raise A Child”?? We can’t blame it ALL on society, or public people, but since when is society not PARTLY responsible for the kids they’re raising and we gotta blame 100% on the parents??

And we can’t seperate ourselves from a world that we’re part of. While non-blacks don’t define us, they live with us, we live with them. Everybody knows that respect isn’t deserved without self-respect, where is the self-respect we have for ourselves and each other?? We are the ONLY kinds of people that allow ourselves to call ourselves and each other N and Bs like it’s a fly trend. We call each other N*ggas, then get mad when a non-black person feels it’s okay to call us that? SURE we didn’t create the word but we made it popular!!! You don’t hear whites calling each other crackaz, you don’t see indians and asians using racial slurs to refer to each other, WE TEACH these people how to treat us, the same way we teach our children or acquaintances how to treat us. Have you seen hiphop movies lately? Y’all now how the media is a powerful tool that influences the masses. YOU have a view of a group of people because of what you saw about them on TV and Movies, and read about them, it’s the same with how they view black folks. It amazes how with all the power that we have, we are doing far less good than our elders. People used to admire our struggle and be inspired by it, by Mandela, Malcolm X, MLK, now we’re a laughing stock.

Nelly says “The country we live in allows us to do that”…THAT IS THE “FINDING EXCUSES” MENTALITY that I was talking about. You ALLOW YOURSELF to do that, don’t blame it solely on the country. This country doesn’t stop COMMON from putting video hoes in his videos but the man makes his own choices because he knows the impact that his actions can have on people and the world. NELLY, THIS IS YOUR MATERIAL, THIS IS YOUR HAND THAT SIGNED THE CONTRACT. And WOMEN…….WE GOT TO LEARN TO SAY “NO” TOO!!! Everybody has power and they’re not using it!!! We wanted to have that “every man for himself” mentality soon after integration, it wasn’t about the community anymore, we didn’t stick together, but we didn’t have ENOUGH power when we started that, that’s why the community is so weak now. Being rich is good, but not the detriment of your own, teach that to the next generation. These artists are WELL AWARE of what’s going on, but they refuse to take responsibility, if we don’t stand for something we WILL fall for anything, and that’s exactly what’s happening.

i dont undertand why everyone is gettin soo bitchy over that tip drill video. like im not saying it isnt inapproprite [it was put on BET Uncut of a REASON!] but no one forced those girls to do what they did. guess what people, YOU CANT MAKE AN UNCUT VIDEO WITHOUT NASTY ASS HOES! lol just bein honest

I totally feel Nelly on this one, I agree with everything he said.

pleez hphop is NOT black folks big issue, more like Jena 6 n inner city school stuff and mentoring and BETs own portrayal of its own ppl n…

AND it aint america vs hiphop, maybe it wus a story 4 da week n stuff (imus) but, Um in case u havent notice america is in LUV wit hiphop last week, Um soundscan ? :- ) i mean jus sayin damn
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n Um: y does Martha stewart got a hiphop persona herself n she tryna get eminem on her show so hard, AND y do jon stewart n bill maher n robert deniro n stuff all luv it, y is al pacino n his (italian?) music director tryna find a hiphop anthem for da next scarface release he told larry king on cnn dat he was tryin 2, and y did prince harry n will make sure to put hiphop in there memorial concert 4 princess Diana and y is SIR andrew lloyd webber dat British dude thinkin he wanna do a stage show built around hiphop (n eminem lol) and y is karl lagerfeld (Chanel) doin sumthin too & y did chanel n dolce n gabbana n dior n all kinda labels use to do hiphopish style sumtimes (not hiphop style NOW cuz its wack as Hell lol but, da old style wus flyyyy)… and Um also, SOUNDscan last week hello

BET pleez ur late, ur wack, n ur a part of da problem u only newjoint da wackest hiphop sumtimes but, methodman n keith murray n wutang n stuff dont get dat much luv on ur channel barely, n Nas have jus ONE nomination on ur dumm awards but, prolly lil Boosie got like 6 :- ) So m jus sayin america luv it still n, i guess its jus easier 4 u to jus yell at nelly n video girls than bring up like, Jena n DARFUR sumtimes n how da hiphop generation r socially conscious (or not) and stuff like that, right

Wutevr

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yea a lotta hiphop right now is kinda wack but, n def not perfect but, Um have u seen rockers dey r all like rehab n detox n suicide n… Rock is SO not perfect eithr. so wutevr, u shud try discussin REAL ish, hiphop aint ur issue aghhhh alreadi!

Co-sign @ Chante 100%. I said the same thing (a little differently) but my post keeps getting deleted. WTF??

#93 Chanté said :Don’t be fooled, this “discussion” is just to appease people after the “HOT MESS/WE GOTTA DO BETTER” fiasco, BET doesn’t care…like that so let’s not act like it’s so brave and nice of them.

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yeah i kinda agree dey want a “hot” topic 4 ratings pretty much realli Dass all but Um, dey r late it aint even hot any more lol, at all at ALL, Soundscan NEbody? Oh well jus sayin
n gettin SOoo tired of folks who dont even KNOW bout hiphop tryna talk about it, ALL hiphop aint wrong, a lot of (indie label-based) hiphop is kind of wack and cheap n stuff right now but, girlie videos aint ALL hiphop, dat ish is more like recent, WHy dey didnt have Wu tang (jon stewart even had RZA one time) Rev Run Meth redman erick sermon Nas Mos def eminem… jus hiphop 4 real

ALL OF THESE RAPPER ARE SELL OUTS!

THEY WORK FOR WHITE COMPANIES AND GET PAID BY DEGRADING BLACK PEOPLE. WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO BUY THEIR MUSIC AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO GET EXPLOITED TO MAKE IT. WHITE COMPANIES GO LAUGHING TO BANK AND THESE RAPPERS ARE THE MIDDLE MEN CATCHING ALL THE HEAT.

THIS IS A MODERN DAY MINSTREL SHOW. SHUCKING AND GIVING AT IT’S BEST. ESPECIALLY NELLY!

THIS DOESN’T APPLY TO ALL RAPPERS, BUT IT APPLIES TO WAY TOO MANY OF THEM.

WE NEED TO STOP SUPPORTING PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEIR BLACK. RESPECT IS A TOO WAY STREET.

IF A WHITE GUY WAS SWIPING A CREDIT CARD THROUGH A BLACK WOMAN’S ASS ON TV I’D CALL HIM, THE RECORD LABEL AND THE VIDEO STATION PLAYING OUT ON THAT BULLSHIT. WHY SHOULDN’T IT BE THE SAME WHEN THE RAPPER IS BLACK?

AND BET WILL BE BACK TO 24HRS OF BULLSH*T TOMMOROW!

I think the shows producers could have done a better job with the panel. T.I. is just ignorant, and Nelly is a pop star. THe only reason he was there was for his bachelor party video (tip drill). If they really took the program seriously then they wouldn’t have gotten the entrie 106 and park audience to set out there and clap everytime T.I. or Nelly said some more dumb shit. To get great results for a debate such as this they should have had rappers from all generations ..young and old.. and discussed things that way. Or better yet invited some of the youth that this is supposedly affecting. I think BET threw this program together and if they attempt some more mess like this put a lil more thought into it.

Chanté
Thursday, September 27, 2007
Don’t be fooled, this “discussion” is just to appease people after the “HOT MESS/WE GOTTA DO BETTER” fiasco, BET doesn’t care about black people like that so let’s not act like it’s so brave and nice of them.
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That’s so true, and let’s not forget, they had BET Uncut - if they didn’t provide a forum and platform for those types of video, then the artists would not have been racing to see who could be the grimiest.

Unfortunately, it has expanded so far beyond that now. These artists are creating and developing their own soft porn DVDs, and the women are lining up to be in them.
And these DVDs and XXX rated videos are advertised and sold in mainstream magazines. I don’t even buy VIBE because of the explicit ass out ladies on the last few pages… Somebody holla at Quincy Jones.

# 49 & 62 MADE SUCH GOOD POINTS. AND IM SICK OF THIS DISCUSION. IF PEOPLE DIDNT LISTEN TO THE MUSIC OR WATCH THE VIDEOS THEY DAMN SELF HOW WOULD THEY KNOW SONGS WORD FOR WORD AND VIDEOS FROM BEGINNING TO END? THOSE FEMALES HAVE A CHOICE THATS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IF THEY DONT MIND WHY THE HELL SHALL WE? WHY WAS YOUR CHILD UP AT 3 A.M TO WATCH UNCUT ANYWAY? THATS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. THEIR ARE WAY MORE IMPORTANT THINGS AFFECTING AMERICA AND HIP HOP IS NOT ONE SO SOCIETY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON THE REAL CAUSE AND NOT TAKING THE EASY ROUTE LIKE T.I SAID. I LISTEN TO SO MUCH RAP AND DONT WANA SLANG NOTHIN OR MURDER ANYONE. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS AND WEAK MINDED INDIVIDUALS. MURDERS, DRUGS, HALF NAKED WOMEN, PIMPS, HOES, ECT…EXISTED WAY BEFORE AND WILL EXIST AFTER. JUST BECAUSE SOME WANT TO HEAR MIND EXPANDING MUSIC AND BORING VIDEOS THE MAJORITY DONT. PEOPLE LIKE TO BE ENTERTAIND. POINT BLANK.

Damn… after reading this, I can’t blame Lil Wayne. If at 15 years old, his Mom is encouraging him to go out and have a baby, with anybody, ’cause she’s lonely… What? This is a sad situation.

“A year after Rabbit was gone, I was on tour like crazy with Cash Money, and my momma said she was bored, alone, and scared in the house by herself. She was like, ‘Why don’t you just have a baby with somebody? Just tell the little girl’s mom I’ma take care of the baby, don’t worry about that.’ I was like, ‘I don’t have nobody I like like that!’ She was like, ‘Just find somebody! You don’t like Toya?’ I was like, ‘Alright, I like her then.’ Toya was 14 when she got pregnant, and I was 15 asking 14-year-olds. Toya’s the only person that agreed outta all the ones I asked. I said that my momma wants a child. And they was like, ‘That’s your momma’s problem!’ So Toya was like, ‘Shiiit, when we due, boo?’

– Lil’ Wayne on Antonia “Toya” Carter, his first wife and the mother of his daughter

Damn…….It’s some long ass post on this thread.!

I was proud that Nelly spoke so eloquently on how he felt about certain issues. I was glad that he did not let the “elders” on the panel railroad him; he was able to stand on his on. I agreed with alot that he said considering hip hop- taking on the weight of the world. A lot of the issues going on in the world did not begin when hip-hop began, so why should it end there?

SORRY, I THOUGHT NELLY SOUNDED LIKE A ZIP DANG FOOL THE WHOLE NIGHT. HE DIDN’T REALLY MAKE ANY VALID POINTS, JUST A BUNCH OF EXCUSES AND EXAMPLES OF HOW MANY OTHER BUSINESS/INDUSTRIES/PEOPLE WHO ARE BAD EXAMPLES, AND HOW THEY DID IT FIRST, SO HE TOO SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT. SO WHAT I GOT FROM HIS COMMENTS WAS EX: IF ONE MAN COMES ALONG AND RAPES A WOMAN, THEN A SECOND MAN COMES ALONG AND RAPES HER 10 MINUTES LATER, ONLY THE FIRST MAN SHOULD BE PUNISHED……ONLY A IDIOT THINKS THIS WAY….HE WAS RATIONALIZING HIS IDIOTIC CONTRIBUTION TO THE DEGRADATION OF TODAY’S SOCIETY/YOUTH……………NELLY’S MUSIC CONTRIBUTES NOTHING TO SOCIETY UNLIKE SOME OTHER RAPPERS WHO KICK SOME KNOWLEDGE…

I HATE THAT HIS SISTER PASSED, I CONGRATULATE HIM FOR WHAT HE TRIED TO DO ON HER BEHALF….HOWEVER, WHEN OUT OF ONE BREATH, IT’ “BITCH THIS, HOE THIS, GRILLZ THIS, SORRY BOO, IT’S HARD FOR EDUCATED PEOPLE TO TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY ON ANY OTHER LEVEL. HE WAS SO UPSET THAT HE GOT BANNED FROM THE COLLEGE CAMPUS….WONDER WHY? WHEN THAT’S ALL YOU TALK ABOUT IN YOUR SONGS, AND YOU SOUND SO STUPID, SHALLOW, AND UNEDUCATED (EXCEPT STREET KNOWLEDGE), SOME PEOPLE WON’T EVER TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY OR VIEW HIM MORE THAN ANOTHER DUMB ASS. IT’S NOT FAIR, BUT IT IS WHAT IS IT. TRIPS ME OUT WHEN RAPPERS EXPECT “REAL PEOPLE” TO OVERLOOK WHAT’S COMING OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS WHILE THEY ARE RAPPING AND SINGING, AND TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY ON SOME OTHER LEVEL. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN….SO STOP ACTING SO SHOCKED..YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW….SO BE IT. NELLY GET’S NO POINTS, SITTING UP WITH HIS FISTS BALD UP LIKE HE’S THE DON TALKING LIKE A DAMN FOOL…..I WAS YELLING AT MY T.V. “NEGRO PLEASE!”

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THEY WERE ALL SOUNDING STUPID FOR THE MOST PART, I HATE WHEN THEY GIVE SOMEONE THE FLOOR AND EVERYONE GETS QUIET TO LISTEN AND THEY SAY SOMETHING STUPID. THE FIRST PART OF THEIR STATEMENT NEVER GOES WITH THE END…….AL SHARPTON, TI AND OTHERS

OH YEAH…THIS WAS THE DUMBEST STATEMENT OF ALL THAT NELLY MADE:

“I MAKE MUSIC FOR KIDS, AND I MAKE MUSIC FOR ADULTS.”

WTF! CAN ANYBODY NAME A KIDS ONLY RADIO STATION? I THOUGHT YOU JUST TURN ON THE RADIO, AND IT PLAYS MUSIC….IS THERE A KIDS ONLY HOUR? HOW WOULD I DIRECT MY CHILD TO THE “CHILDRENS ONLY MUSIC?” ANY CLUE? ANYONE CAN LISTEN TO IT…ALSO, HE KNOWS DAMN WELL THAT MUSIC IS TAILORED MADE AND GEARED FOR YOUNG PEOPLE CAUSE THAT’S WHO MAJORLY BEING THIS JUNK. HE WAS LYING SO MUCH, I TURNED MY CHANNEL. IT’S JUST SICKENING TO HEAR THE EXCUSES…

THE ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM IS, PEOPLE JUST STOP BUYING IT, AND THEY WILL GO AWAY…

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I love Nas
Thursday, September 27, 2007

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lol. You too? I swear I’m being targeted! lol.

I loved the fact that the issues surrounding Hip Hop music were being discussed, kinda reminded me of the good ol’ BET days when Tavis Smiley and Teen Summit was on.

Well…. Nelly made a “few” good points, but I felt that he was mainly being vague, dodgin the issues and trying to change the subject most of the time. He looked uncomfortable, nervous and afraid… and I think it was partly because he (knew) that video was going to come up. And although I am sorry for the loss of his sister, I thought that it was wrong for him to bring that up at that time. I know he was upset about it, as well he should have been…but it just seemed to be another way to “avoid”. I love me some Nelly, but wrong is wrong and right is right ….and to say that he was providing females with a job because some of them needed that money for school, bills, food on the table etc is again incenuating that when all is loss black females need to resort to shaking their ass and degrading themselves to make it or to survive. Wow, no wonder he doesnt have a problem with Irv sleeping with Ashanti, I guess he was understanding her “hustle”…*shaking my head*. Surely black women are worth more than that.

He was EXTREMELY contradictive. I wanted to slap him when he had the nerve to get upset about women taking it offensively when rappers use the term b**** or hoe in records saying that they should (know) who they are referring to…but then, when the professor or editor made a comment about the gold tooth wearing brothers he immediately got upset and said, “Hey, Im one of those gold tooth brothers…in fact, I have two!”…double standards? So he can get offended regarding stereotypes, but women cant? He can be offended about how brothers are viewed with gold teeth, but black women cant get offended about how they are portrayed in videos and on lyrical content? Knee Grow puhleeze! It wasnt just that, he contradicted him self everytime he opened his mouth. I was really disappointed and kinda look at him differently now.. It would have been better had he just said that the video as well as other things done were back then…but this is now….and he is no longer in that frame of mind, he is past that. But the fact that he still thought it was okay and didnt want to take responsibility fueled more fire.

And I see where everyone was coming from regarding “growth” in music….alot of the artists arent growing….most are on there 3rd, 4th, and 5th CD….still talking that same bling, bang, booty, suck, poke, steal, rims, tires, cars, azz, b****, majic stick, weed, houses, hoes, cars etc. that they were talking about when they made their first CD… So I concur. Dang, arent you suppose to elevate in life? Shouldnt you look back at your body of work and see where you’ve changed and grown and matured?

Moving on ….The Professor made goose bumps come up on my arm, I wanted to yell AMEN!.. He was the truth forreal….like it or not, he was on point like a mofo. And as for T. I. I must say that I now know why folks love him. For 1…he knows (when) and how to dress appropriately for certain occasions…and 2…Even though I didnt agree with everything he said…I must admit that he was very laid back and calm, he knows what part to play and when. I must admit that his swagger status just went up a few notches for me.

Lastly…we as parents are first and foremost responsible for our children. If you chose to have a child, you need to be a parent and ‘raise” the child. And it is a 24/7…365 days of the week job. You are always on call, wear atleast 20 hats a day and never get personal days or time off…so know this!! But at the same time…all of us, regardless of our profession or notoriaty must to learn to take responsiblity for our actions and choices.. Thats my 25 cents worth on that.

I love hip-hop…but you have to take responsiblity for your artistry. Part of that is taking the criticism of your work. When you are a public figure, like it or not, you represent a demographic as whole. There was a time when black public figures were not ashamed to say, “I am black and I’m representing for my black people”. Now you have public figures who want the black community’s support, but doesn’t want to represent the black race. Secondly, if it were any woman of any race, I would have a problem with those videos because as a woman, I know that woman are constantly exploited. Women are a minority in this world as well.

i missed it!

@ 106. JSCENE, preeeeeeeeaccchhhhhh!!!!! You summed up what can be said about Nelly perfectly. He is SO full of shit!!!

@ 111. MzCynik, excellent post, especially the part of them being offended when people talk about their gold teeth but women can’t get mad at being called bitches. This reminds me of Kevin Liles on Oprah being offended cause his rappers and him were referred to as CLOWNS, yet he “doesn’t understand” why women are offended by the use of the B and H words? LMAO!!!! Oh and artists’ “growth”, that was well said.

@ 112. Screaming
“There was a time when black public figures were not ashamed to say, “I am black and I’m representing for my black people”. Now you have public figures who want the black community’s support, but doesn’t want to represent the black race. ”

>>>>>> I agree!!! THANK YOU!!! They all wanna reach people, they all want our support but the moment they got it “I don’t represent y’all”.

LETS JUST BE HONEST, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN FILTER MUSIC ENTIRELY. I MEAN, ITS POSSIBLE, BUT NOT LIKELY. MUSIC IS AN EXPRESSION AND HOW CAN YOU TELL A RAPPER TO HOLD BACK ON RAPPING ABOUT THE THINGS HE/SHE EXPERIENCED?? YES, WE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR LOOKED APON AS A ROLE MODEL ..BUT YOU CAN’T CHANGE A CULTURE THAT HAS MADE SO MANY BLACK MINORITIES WHO, AT ONE TIME WERE DOOMED FOR DESTRUCTION, INTO SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE TODAY. AND LIKE NELLY SAID, YOU CAN’T EXPECT A PERSON IN THE LIME LIGHT TO CONDUCT THEMSLEVES AppROPREATELY IF THEY WERE NEVER TAUGHT…EDUCATION IS THE KEY!!!

ALSO, BLACK PEOPLE SHOULDN’T TAKE THE CONTENTS OF LYRICS SOO PERSONALLY…THEY DON’T NECESSARILY DEFINE WHO WE ARE AS A RACE,

FOR EX: WHEN A RAPPER USES THE WORD “HO” , “SLUT”, AND “BITCH” IN HIS/HER LYRICS, THEN HE’S PROBABLY REALLY REFERING TO A ho, slut or bitch in real life who could be white, chinese, indian, black..etc.!!!

HOWEVER

I DOESN’T HELP WHEN YOU only GOT pretty (BLACK) women dancing to these same lyrics..it gives a misenterpretation of the culture and makes other people (whites & older generations) THINK THAT IS OW ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE BECAUSE THATS HOW WE ARE REPRESENTED “Nappy Headed HOs”

I could go on and on for daysss,,,,its a difficult topic, period.. I hopr that we can all find a medium one day, but until then…………………….

Thank you for all the people who didn’t buy into whatever TI and Nelly were saying. Didn’t see the program because I knew exactly what those rappers were gonna say: The same old stuff you always hear; parents should be the ones teaching their children. Yes they should but of course theres more to it than that. Kids are bombarded with negative images all the time, you can’t avoid that stuff. Some of it just sinks into your mind and you start agreeing with it cuz everyone else is doing it.

And some of you that have posted pretty much said everything that I wanted to say and put it very eloquently, so theres no point in mentioning it again. But I just wanted to raise one question that I didn’t hear a lot mentioned. What about all those single mothers out there who can’t always be around to see what their children are doing? Those mothers have to work 24/7 to keep food on the table. Young black boys are growing up without a father, people. We all know that a lot of black men are walking out on their families, which is why young black men desperately need a positive black role model to look up to since their daddies aren’t around to teach them how a black man should act. They dont need to see rich black men parading around trying to be a thug and talking about shooting people and slapping girls’ butts.

And single mothers can’t be everywhere blocking out all those negative influences. A lot of young black men are growing up today looking at these music videos thinking that its cool to act like that. They don’t have a father figure telling them that its wrong to call other women bitches and hoes. These young boys don’t realize how wrong it is to say those demeaning words to women cuz they keep seeing rich, popular, and successful black men doing it all the time and getting rewarded for it. And those rappers keep getting away with calling women those words, so don’t you think young black boys are thinking “well if he can call women bitches and hoes, then how could that be so wrong?”

TI and Nelly know exactly what they’re doing. They’re getting paid for calling black women hoes and know that their cds will sell even more if they add a bunch of black women in their videos shaking their asses. They’re selling their souls to have those fancy parties, nice cars, and to live the life of luxury. And for all the people who say that you shouldn’t buy the music if you don’t like what you hear, I have to say that that doesn’t even matter. WHITE people are the ones who are buying the rap music, and they’re enjoying listening to black people making a fool of themselves each day. I’m not saying that they’re all racists but all those white people who buy the music sure don’t mind hearing black men call black women derogatory names.

Nelly seems to be more interested in making money than trying to portray positive images.

T.I. was disrespectful towards the woman who is affiliated with essense or ebony.

Can we as a community become more realistic and stop saying it’s up to the parents to raise their kids. We’re living in a time where the young ppl now have been raised by KIDS themselves. So celebs should demo some moral responsibility. If not for our community, do it for our ancestors. I’m sure they didn’t march so we could act a fool and do ANYTHING for money.

It was okay. I think the only valid points that were addressed where from Dr. Michael Eric Dyson. Nelly tried to present valid points, but all he did what try to flip the script so that what he’s done doesn’t seem that bad. I used to be a huge fan of Nelly when I was in high school, then I actually read his lyrics. Hip hop may be the mirror of black america now, but it doesn’t have to be. Instead of trying to mirror negative images, why not project something positive. That’s a cop-out Nelly & T.I. C’mon now…let’s be real.

It was okay. I think the only valid points that were addressed were from Dr. Michael Eric Dyson. Nelly tried to present valid points, but all he did what try to flip the script so that what he’s done doesn’t seem that bad. I used to be a huge fan of Nelly when I was in high school, but then I actually read his lyrics. Hip hop may be the mirror of black america now, but it doesn’t have to be. Instead of trying to mirror negative images, why not project something positive? That’s a cop-out Nelly & T.I. C’mon now…let’s be real.

Also did anybody catch when Nelly said that his daughter “made the honor roll and she can pop, lock, and drop it with the best of them”?

isn’t she under 12 y/o?
is that the norm now, or am i just old-fashioned?

I think that this is that the Rappers are 100% correct in holding their ground. It is not a rapper, a singer, football player or models job to make sure your kids have a good influence. I dont think that being a single parent is harder then being a married parent. That is just a cop-out. She type-casted herself, she didnt even need a song. A parent is a parent nomatter what. If you have those kids it is your job to take care of the them and make sure they doing the right thing. Why is Al Sharpton there and what is he talking about? He can always be counted on to throw the race card in there. Nelly said some pretty dumb things but for the most part he was right. If I’m not mistaking his little girl is 12, so she has no reason to be pop lock and dropping it. But his is right about teaching you kid to do the right thing.

# 120…I remember when Nelly said that (one of his many stupid comments). The first thing I thought was, his daughter isn’t living in the environment that’s portrayed in these videos. I’m sure his daughter is not going to aspire to be a video girl.

I also thought…how could Ashanti be with him. He sounds so ignorant. And I am glad those Spelman students put his ass in place. He’s stupid for even thinking that educated women aspiring to be professionals would enjoy watching women being degraded.

And what is Melissa Ford going to say. She seems to be more focused on her looks/sex appeal than her brains, which is not a good example either.

I THINK THAT MOST OF THE RAPPERS WERE DODGING THE QUESTIONS A LOT. EVEN THOUGH RAPPERS SAY THAT THEY ARE RAPPING ABOUT WHERE THEY COME FROM, I THINK THAT THEY ARE GLORIFYING MORE THAN TELLING A STORY. SCARFACE AND ICE-T ARE AN EXAMPLE OF RAPPERS WHO TELL STORIES IN THEIR RHYMES. NO ONE PLACES A GUN IN THE FRONT OF ANYONE’S HEAD TO PURCHASE RECORDS OR APPEAR IN VIDEOS, BUT RAPPERS HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE NEGATIVES INTO POSITIVES. IF A PERSON WANTS TO PROSTITUTE, NO ONE IS FORCING THEM TO, BUT IF ALL PIMPS DECIDE TO RETIRE AND “JOHNS” DECIDE NOT TO PURCHASE SEX FOR MONEY, THEN PROSTITUTION WOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS. MIKE JONES WAS A WASTE OF TIME UP THERE, SOUNDING SO IRRELEVANT. NOT EVERY KID HAS SOMEONE TO RAISE THEM SO, THEREFORE BAD INFLUENCES SUCH AS THE WRONG CROWD AND EXPLICIT RAP LYRICS CAN HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE YOUTH.

KIDS ARE NOT STUPID. WHEN WE TELL THEM THAT SOMETHING EXPLICIT IS FOR ADULTS, THEY ARE THINKING WHY NOT FOR ME TOO. MANY PARENTS CONTRADICT THEMSELVES , SO THUS, MANY KIDS GROW UP CONFUSED OR LIVING DOUBLE LIVES. MODEL PARENTING IS THE MOST OVERLOOKED ELEMENT OF PARENTING. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT MOST PARENTS NEED TO PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH. HOW IS NELLY GOING TO EXPLAIN “TIP DRILL” TO HIS DAUGHTER, OH, “SWEETY THAT IS FOR ADULTS ONLY”. “OK DAD, I AM AN ADULT NOW, CAN I WATCH OR HAVE SOMEONE TIP DRILL ME?”

The show was very interesting I was very surprised by a lot of things….How intelligent nelly and melyssa Ford was. Mike Jones shouldn’t have been on the show because the whole time he was quiet…They talked about some valid topics in hip hop that needed to be addressed…and both parties had valid points…I was very upset at the way jeff johnson kept cutting of the individuals when they were trying to make they point…One of the inportant things in hip hop that are corrupting young men mines growing up now is the whole light skin dark skin factor in music videos and am very surprised they didn’t hit that topic…I just don’t think hip hop shoul dbe blamed for alot of thinggs going on in society right now

Nelly should’ve listened to his record label and stayed off the panel because he’s not getting positive feedback, but i’m glad that he didn’t listen, because now i have more reasons to not support his music. BET didn’t do a good job on the production of the special, but I’m glad that I watched it, because it makes me want to re-evaluate which artists I support. I’m really sick of BS music…it’s getting old now.

Like #99 said, we need to stop supporting people just because their black; respect is a two way street.

WHAT EXACTLY DID OUR ANCESTORS FOUGHT FOR?
OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCH
AND THAT MEANS RAPPERS AND PEOPLE IN THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY
U KNOW IM JUS ABOUT TIRED OF HOLIER THAN THOU HIPOCRITESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
IF IT WAS UP TO ALL YALL WE WOULD STILL B HOUSE NIGZ(YES MASAH)

Plain and simple…artist be accountable for your words. Stop passing the buck. People grow up in the hood all the time, and the people didn’t, don’t really care. We don’t need you to point out everything that the hood represents. If you do, atleast be creative…until that is accomplished. you dont deserve to be called an “artist”. That’s like saying I’m the President of the united states…am I really? Just because I say I’m the president doesn’t mean I really am!

These rappers promote drugs and violence robbery and killing. A lot of them grew up in projects and rough neighborhoods and all the youth that live in projects and rough environments look up to them and use them as an example for there lives.They say it starts with the parents but what happens when you grow up in the projects where your mom is on crack because the local drug dealers are always sell in your hood. When she does what ever it takes to get that high that she goes into prostitution, or the crack attics that sell everything they own for that hit, or the people that get robbed everyday just so they can buy more drugs. This stuff happens in black communities everyday. You rappers may not have created this but you promote this life everyday to black kids that try to emulate your success. they say that they just tell how there life was and that they don’t promote it but why do you have a catchy beat and instrumentals that play over and over on the radio’s if your not promoting it.They glorify it and sell it like drugs. someone like jay-z almost 40 years old made half a billion dollars and he still promotes drugs and how much he used to sell in music. Way to go jay keep bringing down the black community, what you did in your life is nothing to be proud of. the families that were broken up, the blood that have been spilled because of your drugs. No one looks at the big picture and the people that they affect with there actions.Jjust cause other people do it doesn’t make it right. Just so you know jay if you do read this, drugs leads to poverty, prostitution (which bring std’s) abuse, violence, and death (overdose and death do to violent acts). Its time to act your age and show some progression and stop being so ignorant to the influence that hiphop has on the world. We’ve changed the way people talk, they dress, they act, we have influence beyond the united states just look at japan. Now if hiphop can do that, why cant we bring unity amongst each other, lets end this.

At the end of the day, the point is, Hip Hop needs to be about more than B’s and H’s and money and bling, aren’t we more than that as a people, why are the images so limited, and this is in the mainstream, so like it or not, this is what the kids are listening to because it is everywhere. And like I said in an earlier post, this is exactly what White America wants to hear because it confirms that Black folks are animals and are killing and abuse each other. The rappers will argue that they rap about it because that’s what’s going on in the streets but they not only rap about it but they advocate the violence and the misogyny, you can talk about it but you don’t have to be about, show people there are other ways to think about things, show young black men that you can be more than a drug dealer, a pimp, a rapper, an athlete. It seems to me that as much as rappers want to claim they care about their community they actually don’t because they underestimate the potential of their own people, and they make millions of dollars off ignorance and keeping people down. I’m sorry but I will no longer continue to support music that does nothing to uplift my community. I don’t care how much charity work these rappers do, the fact is that the records will reach way more people than their money, so you put your money were your mouth is and stop looking like a damn jiggaboo on tv.

Rappers need to take responsibilty for the music they produce and stop blaming everyone else. No one is making them do anything, they have free will. If they weren’t so money hungry and selfish maybe they would actually think about the music they make and how it effects people. And they need to stop with the excuse that sex and violence sells, so does drugs, so does clothes, so does food, this is a damn capitalist system, everything is created to sell. But if you look at he billboard charts 9 times out of 10 the only degrading and violent music in the top 20 will be the hip hop records. What formula is Fall Out Boy using, they are selling millions, so is Carrie Underwood and Rihanna, why is that Hip Hop feels that they can only sell by degrading themselves and others, it just shows you the mentality of many of these rappers and record labels, they don’t expect much from young Black men, only negativity.

Black folks we need to realize that it doesn’t matter if we stop buying these trash cd’s they will still sell because millons of white folks are buying it. What we need to do is continue to hold these rappers and record labels responsible for what they create and promote.

So when these rappers talk about this is the life they are living…I get that up until your 3rd cd is released. After that its like no honey you are in a gated community and you dont sell drugs or commit crimes anymore so why do you keep rapping about it? And Nelly knows that if his daughter grew up and was caught on tape having a man slide a credit card down her crack…that shit wouldnt be cool so he needs to stop acting. Some of these lyrics are getting out of control. Its disturbing when I’m at a predominantly white college (University of Georgia) and some white frat guy rides by bumping some song thats talking about N-word this and N-word that. As a race children out of wedlock, education, and lack fathers in families should be our top priorities.

Just watched the whole thing. Nelly seems ingnorant and uneducated.

“WHAT NELLY IS TRYIN TO SAY IS, ITZ NOT RIGHT TO JUDGE”–T.I. IS FUNNY.

Good show… everyone had good points, but T.I. and Nelly both sounded half illiterate at times. Melyssa Ford is an intelligent woman, she should have done something else with her career.

This is a touchy topic because everyone has a valid point . I watched the first part of the series the other night and I was actually laughing at Melyssa Ford acting as If she’s a decent wholesome woman now. When I’ve seen a few commercials of her just recently ,with her ass tooted up talking seductive for a text message commercial , stop the BS and be honest . Don’t get on television and act as If you are a role model for the young women and still doing whorish shit . As far as the rapper’s ,yes , they need to take responsibility for their brand of music. T.I and Nelly were very ignorant . “My daughter pop, lock, and drop it , with the best if them ” now Nelly ,that was some ig’nant shit to say. I can respect Nelly a little more because he did accept that his music affects people rather than refuse responsiblity like T.I did. T.I was downright stupid .I was embarrassed for him. He said the dumbest shit “You lucky Im not doing what Im rapping ” something to that effect , ummmm so T.I why are you still rapping about it then ?? but that lady from Essence was so out of line and rude. I understand being a single parent, which by the way is not the hardest job in America but that’s another topic . You can’t blame rapper’s for the music your children are listening to . You as a parent need to filter that. This is getting out of control . The television should not be a standard to raise your children by ! And furthermore , If rappers stop rapping today children will still be exposed to the same things especially children in the hood . This is so much bigger than rap music we as a society need to get it together not just rapper’s . If rapper’s stop rapping today something else will be the blame for childrens problems, instead of parents just admitting that alot of them are lazy .

What was the big deal about he Tip Drill video? It was never played during the main stream hours of other videos. I saw it once or twice at like 2am on the uncut show but if your kids are up that late watching tv then you should check yourself first.

I didnt see part 2 but the first part didnt impart any knew information. I commend Nelly and T.I. for even showing up but often times these dudes let their emotions get them and you CAN NOT lead with emotion and make your point. They should (esp. Nelly who made great points) think through the answer before responding though

I have several points/questions to ask…

1.) Why do Black people say “White people do it” like they are the standard for comparision? Did we not forget that their race is to credit for most socially deviant behavior, serial killers are found to be White males, anarchists, pedophiles and not to mention they have members that are of low ses (socioeconomic status) just as we do - and not to mention uneducated.

2.) Why were they on Nelly so bad? Over 50% of the show was about Tip Drill.

3.) The show did not solve anything, only open a can of worms.

4.) Tell me what M. Ford does since she said she did videos to pay for college or as she said “university”…word of advice to all video chicks because you aren’t models - talk to Sallie (Mae) not Nelly. She did not make a point, all she did was try to put herself above other video chicks and she has a reputation for being a jump off. What is her 8-5 or shall I say 12-4 because that’s when her screensaver or 555-Ford plugs come on.

5.) Why weren’t parents on the panel and parents should take more responsibility for what their children do and stop trying to blame it on rappers and tv. If you know you’re gonna get choked out by your mom or dad or have respect for them, you’re not going to do certain things. Period.

6.) Rappers don’t put their videos on tv.

7.) Why does everybody have to refer to or take a jab at Blacks all the time?
Find something else to do. They need to worry about the president who seems to be borderline illiterate ass and let me not forget to mention he graduated from Yale a frichen Ivy League school - this totally lessens the school and the mission of it if you
ask me. He has no tact, interpersonal skills, is not a thinker, is a
nincompoop and is a bumbling idiot.

8.) When will somebody call out the new president of BET…nobody ever mentions her. Is she the president or a puppet?

9.) Some of the rappers that should have been on the panel weren’t, i.e. 50 Cent…well the whole G-Unit, Cam’ron even though he’s broke now, Slim Thugg…the list goes on.

10.) Nobody can walk in between raindrops and everybody does not think alike. When and if everybody does…I’ll show you some people that aren’t thinking.

Okay usually in here I crack a few jokes, make some comments about some pop culture and sometimes some serious points and go about my day, but today, I send this message out and hope someone reads it and critically thinks about this move to turn a blind eye to the self deprivating, self hating -art-less (calling themselves artist) people.

Are we to believe that negative hip-hop does not denegrate the lives and work of those who have tried to push for us to be better and live better lives then those before us.

I cannot help it but to believe that someone in the homes of Nelly, TI and the rest of them didnt raise them right. What did your parents do to ensure that you would not disrespect women or yourselves and call it art? It was up to them to raise you right, too bad they failed at that.

To disrespect a black woman in such a manner is the ultimate disrespect. What makes them any better then those who wore sheets and paraded naked black women around for sale years ago??? The human auction in 2007 appears to be promoted by us, defended by us, and geared towards us —BET!!!

Think about it, now they (the women) make a few dollars back then they were barely clothed and fed, but what these videos say to me and any EDUCATED–(I MEAN MORE THEN A COLLEGE DEGREE BUT KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WOMEN, AFRICANs, and AFRICAN AMERICANS and the AMERICAS) SELF LOVING BLACK WOMAN is that that BLACK WOMEN ARE FOR SALE. Now its quadroon mallatos and hispanic women, but who cares it all leads to the same thing the denegration of women.

I cannot stop people from supporting these hankerchief head wearing negros, but someone day when God ask them how did they contribute to the life of hunmankind, did they live Christ-like, they will have to finally answer for the continued denegration of womankind. The ultimate truth is not here on earth.

My viseral response is that I do not watch videos or listen to the radio because most it is trash. I am careful to not let in what I do not want to put out there. I continue to promote people not watching these videos. I try not to watch TV shows that make us less then who we are, descendants of EVE, the ultimate Black Woman. When I do I ask myself what is the value of this, how can I learn from this, what does this say about me.

I try to teach young women that looking like a prostitute and dancing like you are in the video does not mean men desire you in a respectful loving way. I try to live the life that others who have died for in order to honor them. I try each day to be an example of good living and self loving child of God.

Yes I fail and so do they everytime they put one of those darn videos or songs out.

But I am no sell out, the difference is I will not disrespect or dishonor those who made a way for me to be the best that I can be. I will not do something to harm my race because its popular or will garnish me millions of dollars. They used to call those people the house negros–letting massa use them to continue the plight and destruction of black people–now the call themselves Nelly, TI, Trick Daddy, Puffy, Ludicrious, 36 mafia, Ja Rule, Fifty Cents… still sitting in the house selling us out..

And for the women who do it because you do not feel disrespted. Its a job like any other modeling job, prositution is legal is some coutries too, doesn’t make it right. And yeah some of the slaves in massa’s house also believed that slavery was a good thing, didnt mind giving up the goods to massa because at least they were not in the field doing the real work…yeah you too Melissa Ford, Karen Steffens, Buffy-Body-, etc etc, keep massa happy and shake it…while little girls watch and believe that is all they will be…but that isnt your problem…right?

For those sisters who support these fools and watch these videos, secretly or opening wishing to be in them, I pray for you. I pray for the daughters and sons you will raise. I pray that you find a way to reconcile everytime a man or woman calls you a bitch or a hoe in a disrespectful manner with the music or images you see in these videos which promotes the use of such words through their publication and normalcy of those images. They make it common place so that you become more familiar and adapted to its use, sort of the like N word, it cannot be wrong because we use it right…until Imus used it…now its a problem, sounds like a double standard to me. Sound like BS to me… I pray that you finally see who you are, believe in who you can be, and critically start to think about what these vidoes and songs mean.

I say garbage in garbage out. Do not let in your hearts and minds what you would not want to share with the world. You dig…

the one has spoken….and I’m out!

Folks this is a pointless disscussion - Nelly T.I. Who are they but whores to this cookie cutter industry, these are not business men they don’t sign their on checks. Let’s go to the powers the be the Lables exec’s who put this crap out to our communities?? That is why they are so defensive b/c this is there career..This is something that they get paid to do, beleive me Nelly and T.I. Would not want there kids to look like whores and drug dealers on the tv screen that is why they are making the $ to give them a better education. IF you want to change the industry stop buying in the all the none sense the record lables bring your way Stop complaing and DO! Peace

I CANT FULLY COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC BECAUSE I DIDN’T SEE THE SHOW BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT MY DAUGHTER SEEING THIS MESS BECAUSE I MONITOR WHAT SHE WATCHES AND SHE HAS NOT REACHED THE AGE OF VISITING FRIENDS HOUSES TO WATCH IT ELSEWHERE, I’LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN I GET THERE

BUT I , PERSONALLY, AS A BLACK WOMAN AM TIRED OF SEEING BLACK WOMEN BEING DEGRADED IN RAP VIDEOS-SO OF COURSE I DON’T WATCH IT BUT AGAIN IT DOES PERPETUATE THAT ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE GOOD FOR IS SHAKING THEIR ASSES AND COLLECTING A MAN’S MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR SEXUAL FAVORS

AND AS MUCH AS PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS NO AFFECT ON OUR SOCIETY I BELIEVE THAT THIS SPECIFICALLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE BREAKDOWN OF BLACK WOMEN/MEN PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS

AS LONG AS A MAN KNOWS THERE IS A WOMAN HE CAN HAVE SEX WITH JUST FOR HIS NOTORIETY OR HIS MONEY-WHY IN THE HELL WOULD HE COMMIT TO ONE WOMEN OR NOT CHEAT ON HIS WOMAN

WHEN WOMEN HELD THEMSELVES TO HIGHER STANDARDS AND ENGAGED IN SEX WITH A MAN ONLY IF THEY WERE IN A RELATIONSHIP-BLACK RELATIONSHIPS WERE BETTER, PEOPLE GOT MARRIED AND THERE WERE LESS SINGLE-PARENT HOUSEHOLDS

EVERYBODY IS SEX CRAZED BLACK MEN AND WOMEN-NOBODY WANTS TO COMMIT AND EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE SLEEPING AROUND (BASED ON THE RISE IN STDS AND AIDS CASES)

AND THE IMAGES PORTRAYED IN VIDEOS HAVE BECOME MORE OF A REALITY THAN JUST PURE ENTERTAINMENT-SEX ACTS THAT USE TO BE UNIMAGINEABLE OR MEANT TO BE FANTASIES ARE COMMON ACTS COMMITTED BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY HOOKED UP AT A CLUB LISTENING TO SONGS LIKE TIP DRILL ETC.

JUST MY TWO CENTS

I agree with Keeke and The_One - my sister and I both said the show was pointless and just opened a can of worms that is now crawling around. “Talk is cheap…”

“Hip hop is hypocrisy and you can quote me.”
-Victoria

@THE_ONE

THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND I’M SO GLAD THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU OUT HERE

IT’S SO COMMON TO JOIN THE MASSES AND AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AND DISAGREE WITH NOTHING

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY THAT IS ALL ABOUT SELF-PRESERVATION IF YOU WANT IT OR YOU CAN DO IT-WHY NOT? NOBODY EVER REALLY QUESTIONS WHY THEY DO WHAT THEY DO OR EVEN STOP TO CONSIDER WHO IT MAY AFFECT.

IT’S CALLED MORALS-LAWS SHOULDN’T BE THE ONLY STANDARDS PEOPLE ADHERE TO, HAVING MORALS AND BEING ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS ARE CHARACTERISTICS THAT MANY OF OUR ANCESTORS HAD THAT WE NOW LACK-

WE STAND FOR NOTHING AND FALL FOR EVERYTHING AS LONG AS IT MAKES MONEY

Just stop it already…

Make no mistake, I don’t place all of the blame squarely and soley on the shoulders of TI or Nelly or rappers in general… But with power comes responsibility. As soon as one cashes that check, you must also own the power and consequence of your art.
Also that argument about parents is so LAME. My parents were very protective of me and did their damndest to monitor my activities. Still, I found a way to sneak and watch the likes of Benny Hill and other adult programming on the sly. Clearly that was 20+ yrs ago and definitely before the advent of the internet and mp3s. The point is no one lives in a vacuum and while parents need to be the most inflential persons in their child’s life, to suggest that if the child gets a hold to anything that can be damaging, the parent has been negligent and shierks their responsibilities is absurd. ***** I remember watching a special on Nelly a couple of years ago and he spoke about how his mom used to work in a fast food restaurant so she could provide for her children. She also managed to find time in her schedule to attend all his little baseball games. Yet and still, he also admits that he started selling drugs with some of his St Lunatics crew. Does that mean his own mother should be condemned? Did she somehow fall down on her job as a mother? Of course not! She is a human being doing the best job she could to raise her son and daughter.

@93. PREACH!!! I agree 100%

Why were people clapping for the lady? I don’t understand what’s so commendable about being a single mom — it’s no achievement in and of itself. She might have had a point but she definitely didn’t make a strong argument. Nelly made her look silly. I ENJOY tip drill, and I have an Ivy League degree and no criminal record. What’s her point exactly?

EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!! READ Post # 93

Chante, that was right on sistah!

121. JA

“It is not a rapper, a singer, football player or models job to make sure your kids have a good influence. I dont think that being a single parent is harder then being a married parent. That is just a cop-out. If you have those kids it is your job to take care of the them and make sure they doing the right thing.”

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That is true. Whether if we admit it or not, it all starts at home. You have to sustain the best example when it comes to children so they won’t look to outsiders as a role model. I was born in 81’ when the music started changing, I had a love for Hip Hop music but my mother wasn’t having it. She would forbid me to listen to certain as Snoop Dog, Ice T, Easy E. She would block BET & Yo! MTV Raps Show just so show she was not playing with me. She would also take time to discuss Hip Hop & R&B artists stating that they are only for entertainment…meaning they will do anything to become famous and rich…they don’t care about you or the messages they are sending out to the world…it’s all for show. She would teach about higher education, representing myself in a positive manner than what society thinks of me and to become the total opposite of what I saw on music videos.

However times have changed and parents are not communicating with their children. Most parents are working 12-hour shifts just to keep the lights on and food on the table. They you have some parents who don’t know how to reach their children because no one taught them. Regardless, today these babies look to the television for guidance and what they are receiving is a bizarre lifestyle image from artists on how to behave and present themselves. Being this is fact, we all should demand more from these artists & other entertainers. Because whether if they admit it or not, children are looking up to them as an example.

As the old saying, it takes a village to raise a child and EVERYONE needs to play their part. Entertainers, people in the church, the neighbors and family members all play a part in a child’s life. It just wasn’t my mother who inspired me to do right in life. It was the all the people that she surrounded with that showed how to become a responsible, happy adult. Thought I know many do not have it like I did but we can’t rappers when we continue to suppport them. The foundation of a encouraging life starts at home whether if we want to admit it or not.

# 93

That is very true. Sad, but all so true.

Why does it have to be hip-hop versus America? Why can’t we have a discussion and agree to disagree. If we come in against each other how can we ever have a peaceful discussion.

I think some of the music and the videos have gone to far and some of it is just silly. But there is some serious and consciouss stuff going on as well. I think the records are not selling anymore because you can only make the stuff so many time until even your core audience will get sick of it eventually.

What I don’t lilke is how they link all black music to hip-hop and it is not. I also don’t like the fact that young people think they only have to listen to rap. I think they need to have more diversity in your life. If everything in your life comes in the form of one thing it makes you an extremely limited person.

So lets try and have a discussion and not an us vs them. Because within us there can never be an usvthem because we are us and them.