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JAY-Z RESIGNS FROM DEF JAM

Monday, December 24, 2007

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Looks like Jigga is officially done at Def Jam. It was announced today that starting January 1st, he will no longer serve at the label President:

“I’ve been incredibly fortunate to have served as President of such a culturally-defining label as Def Jam over the last three years,” Jay-Z said in a statement. “During that time, I’ve had the pleasure of working with many of the world’s most dynamic artists and many of the most dedicated and talented executives in the music business today, including Antonio “L.A.” Reid. But now it’s time for me to take on new challenges.”

Jay-Z, born Shawn Carter, took over as President of Def Jam in 2005. Under his guidance, the rapper signed his former rival Nas to Def Jam and oversaw the release of hit records by Kanye West, Rihanna and Ne-Yo.

Island Def Jam Music Group Chairman Antonio “L.A.” Reid said that Jay-Z felt it was time to take on “different challenges in his life.”

Jay-Z will continue running and recording for his Roc-A-Fella imprint, which is distributed by the Island Def Jam Music Group. The mogul is rumored to be making a transition to the urban division of Sony Records with Rick Rubin. Full article

Meanwhile, keep checking in to see photos of Jay Z when he opens his new 40/40 club in Vegas on New Years Eve, with Beyonce.

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76.

8baller

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

See I told you JSCENE people are doing more laughing at you than agreeing with you. You are like that one bipolar commenter that every blog has. I agree with what most have said you are hilarious…………Thanks for being a reminder that there are mentally challenged folk in the world, and sometimes you just got to ignore them, cause they havent took their pills. Still love you like a play cousin……….NOT.

SMH…….
Let me go eat some more turkey…………

77.

CHERYLINMIAMI

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

SOME OF YOU POSTERS ARE RIDICULOUS! HE WAS ABOUT TO BE FIRED! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK, THE MAN’S CONTRACT WAS GOING TO BE UP, HE SIGNED ON FOR 3 YEARS, THIS WAS HIS LAST MONTH REGARDLESS, UNLESS HE WAS TO RENEGOTIATE ANOTHER CONTRACT WITH DEF JAM. HE CHOOSE NOT TOO! THE HATE ON THESE INTERNET BLOGS ARE INCREDIBLE! YET AND STILL HE IS DOING $66 MILLION REAL ESTATE DEALS AND OPENING NEW 40/40 CLUBS!~ MAYBE LL AND SOME OF THE OTHER E RAPPERS NEED TO LOOK AT HIS BLUEPRINT FOR BUSINESS! IS TODD SMITH (LL CLOTHING LINE)STILL BEING SOLD?

78.

Bigma

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

Jay- is looking towards settling down!! IT takes men longer to get in the mind frame of Marriage, Children!! i think woman are more mature and can jump into the roll of wife, mother faster then men will. JAY pop the question all ready to BEE’ shell say YES and she will slow up for you and a Child she is very mature i think she is ready as well….. JAY will be takin the job with SONY because i think REED {DEF Jam} was madd at all the moves jay was makin for def jam in such a short time and REED aint doing nothin! REED is a SNAKE anyway you see “babyface” dont even mess around whit him anymore…. LL KOOL J & METH were over way before jay took that job get over it boys GET A NEW JOB!

79.

Jahsyne

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

MAN JAY-Z IS GETTING ON MY F*KIN’ NERVES YO, HE DONE DROPPED ONE ALBUM WHICH WAS A FLOP, THEN HE HAD TO ADOPT THE PERSONA OF LUCKY TO EVEN COME UP W/ THE IDEA FOR THE 2ND ALBUM, I’M NO HATER, AND HAVE LOVED JAY FOR YEARS BUT WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING? HE BRAGS THAT HE IS THE BEST, BUT HONESTLY HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR B.I.G. PASSING THAT N*GGA WOULDNT BE SHIT TODAY. HE FLAUNTS HAVING THE BEST, AND BEYONCE LIKE HE IS THE REAL JEHOVAH…THE ONLY JEHOVAH I KNOW IS GOD. HIS EGO IS TOO BIG FOR HIS BODY. HE IS TASTING WHAT’S CALLED HUMBLE PIE….MMMMHMM…EAT THAT N*GGA!!!!!!!!!

80.

JSCENE

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

@8baller

Excuse me, but when people cosign and people say something is hilarious, that doesn’t mean they are laughing at me, and you know it, you jealous wench….so sad how you try to twist shit to fit your agenda..lol..i don’t hear no one agreeing with your ass. The rest of the shit you said was pure idiotic AS USUAL…..LOL

Oh yeah, and advice, fat people shouldn’t go back for seconds….LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

81.

pretty1

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

YEAH RIGHT! WHO HE TRYING TO FOOL, HIS ASS GOT FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOV!

82.

PLAYA

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

He resigned? LOL! If his contract was about to be up, why didnt he just let it end naturally? Because he knew they werent going to renew and he did it to save face. Fuck Jay-z. Jehovah my ass. Take yourself and your illiterate girlfriend and go hide in a cave, open more clubs or whatever illiterate ppl with money do these days.

83.

E From BK

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

It is totally insane for anyone on here to comment on Jay Z’s business acumen. Nobody on here has been to any Def Jam meetings, nobody on here hangs out with Jay Z, nobody on here works at Def Jam. We are all fans. Now if you don’t like the guys music then fine. Myself personally believes that Kingdom Come and American Gangster were two excellent CDs. If you didn’t like KC, you are probably 18 or under. If you didn’t like AG, you probably don’t respect lyricism in music. You probably do the Superman when you go out. Nothing wrong with any of that, just saying that we all have different tastes. With that said, I could care less about what type of job Jay did at Def Jam. Was he responsible for good music being put out? Yes! I have not bought a Meth or LL CD in years; years before Jay got that job andf I like those guys. They just no longer to quality work. People say Jay is “selfish”; what do you think LL is? Yes, he is a legend, but so? As for Meth, he just can’t put out a quality solo album. He does well with collabos, but his solo work is not that good. Please all, be fans and stop trying to be Hip Hop businessmen unless you really are Hip Hop businessmen. It makes you look like a hater otherwise.

84.

whatsgoingon

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

@81,

What you said made a lot of sense. If JayZ’s contract was about to be up, what would be the need for him to resign? Resign from what if his contract was going to end anyway? Like I said before, resigning looks better than being fired or not getting your contract renewed. If TUPAC and BIGGIE were still around, they would make JayZ’s rap “fade to black” because those guys work were phenomenal and left a permanent mark on rap forever. GOne but not forgotten RIP TUpac and Biggie!

85.

Bittersweets

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

Good to see the Loop back with it, Jscene et al - was a bit boring for a while. Good xmas laughs.
Good luck to Jay wherever he may go.

86.

ThinkAboutIt

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

People see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear… at no time has he said he is resigning. His statement simply says he is grateful for the opportunity to serve as Def Jam CEO and now it’s time to move on. Since his contract was up, he would have simply not been renewed — but who expected him to go beyond the contract?

The whole “figurehead” CEO position he held was part of his whole Roc a Fella deal when he divested from Dame and Biggs. Def Jam wanted to Roc a Fella and Jay-Z, he was smart enough to use that leverage to get the title and power - I don’t believe he ever had aspirations to be running somebody’s music business - but he is a hustler by nature and he has learned and mastered the hustle game on a whole new level.

In the past three years because of his CEO title, he has been running in a whole new set of circles. He is on to bigger, better and different business deals. Though people continue to say his music has fallen off, it really hasn’t, it’s just different, he is no longer rapping to eat. It’s not realistic to expect him to be rapping like he was 5, 10 years ago - music has changed, he has changed.

Sorry, but you can’t pen Method Man or LL’s fall on him or his marketing skills - they have been in the game too long. If they had a sincere fan base, they wouldn’t need marketing, good music never does. The fact that 3 artists under his reign have blown out the business suggest that he was doing something right- Ne-Yo, Kanye and Rhianna —

Love him or Hate him… the brother is doing big things.

87.

Paula

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

Sounds like his contract wasn’t renewed. LA and them knew he wasn’t worth the cake - at least they had the decency to let him save face with that “steps down” line before showing him the door.

As for Jay’s job in the corner office…meh. He basically did what any other exec at any other label would do; push the safe/easy to sell acts (Jeezy, Rick Ross, Riahanna) and let more challenging acts (The Roots, Freeway, Peedi Crack, Joe Budden etc) sit on the shelf or flop.

88.

Paula

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

@ #85
You said:
People see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear… at no time has he said he is resigning. His statement simply says he is grateful for the opportunity to serve as Def Jam CEO and now it’s time to move on.

I say:
Are you an idiot?

89.

Cecilia

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

I used to wonder what time he actually does any work when he was always out on vacation, going to dinner, at basketball games, hanging out with Beyonce or throwing parties? LOL @ you, Jay-z. You could be worth millions, but your rep aint worth shit now. That should diffuse your ego some.

90.

Cecilia

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

I remenber reading this….

“Here we go again…Snitches are buzzing about Jay-Z getting dropped from Def Jam! Word is contract-renewal negotiations between Universal Music and the rapper-turned-CEO have broken down, all because of Hov’s diva-like demands and the bosses because bosses (includid LA Reid) are sick of it.

“He wanted big, big money that was way out of sync with the realities of today’s record business,” a source says.
People have lost count of how many times he’s come out of retirement,” the source says. “Everybody knows he’s not around the office much. Everybody at Universal loves him, but they can’t justify paying him the money he wants when so many people have been laid off.” Source

Anywhoo, his contract is up at the end of month…while in Paris, Hov’s mouthpiece claims the rumors are false and the negotiations will continue. GRAND OPENING, GRAND CLOSING!”

All has come to pass.

91.

ThinkAboutIt

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 /

Paula
Tuesday, December 25, 2007
@ #85
You said:
People see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear… at no time has he said he is resigning. His statement simply says he is grateful for the opportunity to serve as Def Jam CEO and now it’s time to move on.

I say:
Are you an idiot?
_________

Paula -
I am not an idiot… at least by the most acceptable definitions…. why do you ask?

92.

Kitten

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

All of ya’ll can sit around and give him props and commend him on his “accomplishment” but I see JayZ in a whole new light. The more I pay attention to these fools the more I realize they could careless about others trying to make it even when they’ve reached a status like your Russell Simmons and your Jay-Z’s! He is selfish and a little immature if you ask me. That man knew it was time to go. People were complaining abound for quite sometime. No matter if Method Man, Raekwon, Ghostface, and others that were more popular back in the 90’s more so than now have been complaining about him for the simple fact Jay is worried more about him and his boy Kanye than anyone else. He says Kanye West, Rihanna, Neyo they sell records and the others aren’t as popular. Well shit if you are constantly being forced to listen to music that people know full damn well half these fools have no talent what do you expect to happen? But seriously that brother doesn’t want to stop rapping and he’s not trying to put out and promote people who are just as good lyrically as he is.

Merry Christmas all xoxo

93.

8baller

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

J-STAN (Jscene) I am going to send you some dick in the mail. Cause the only females who are that hateful are chicks that are deprived of some good loving. In the words of The Black Eye Peas……”Where is the love?”

lol……you such a silly chick. And they are laughing at you………just ask them. I dont know who didnt give this child her pills…..but its not a good look.

Your new name from now on is J-STAN cause you stan for me and I love it. My 15 minutes of fame starts………………………………….NOW. Everytime you respond to me your bringing me fame. Keep going………………LOL I crack myself up. My new years resolution is to get as many responds from J-STAN as possible. LOL!

94.

DOLLA MENU

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

HOW EXACTLY DO YOU SEND DICK IN THE MAIL?

IS IT NEXT DAY, SAME DAY, EXPRESS MAIL……

95.

CARLISSIA

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

some of ya’ll need to stfu always thinking ya’ll know what happen .. read book

96.

Umakmesmile

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

this post was funny because of 8ball and JScene.

I just wanted to say I could care less about J as a CEO. I like the J as a rapper back in the early 90’s when we would kick it at the club listening to B.I.G and J, and Tupac from Baltimore, Md that’s right from MCCabe on the EAST SIDE. I respect lyricist that ’s why I always have luv for J. the last 2 albums were good.

@ #82 “If you didn’t like KC, you are probably 18 or under. If you didn’t like AG, you probably don’t respect lyricism in music. You probably do the Superman when you go out. Nothing wrong with any of that, just saying that we all have different tastes.”

That was truly funny………………..Meaning true grown and sexy age 25 and over!!!!!!!!

97.

Nothing But Love

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

@ 8ball and jscene

Damn will you two give it a rest already, someone needs to be the bigger person and end this ish.

98.

THANK GOD

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

thank GOD
i was tired of this YOUNG R&B punks on MTV

welcome back rappers i hope they will hae some1 new who likes to promote hip hop legends

It ain`t good what he did
being an artist too wasn`t good cos he promoted his shit rather than other rappers so he can still sound fresh

99.

GEM

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

Why did I read this topic this morning? Why? Shouldn’t I have known the same Beyonce stans (and, oh THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEYONCE. THIS MAN IS A CELEBRITY IN HIS OWN RIGHT, YA KNOW??) who made utter idiots out of themselves in the “Chrisette” topic would be in here saying the SAME stuff??

100.

msblknasty1

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

reisgn my ass thats a nice way of being fired lololololol he will prevail… he has talent …. and plus hes rich…. he can settle down now 40 years old its time to take it easy…….. jay is very selfish tho and bey is blind right now hopefully she will wake up and see him for what he really is IMO

101.

msblknasty1

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

# 93 OOOOOOKKKKKKKAAAAAAAYYYYYYEEEEEEEE……. ill take same day poleeeeezzzzz …lolololololo

102.

paula

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

Wow, people are really hating on Jay’s performance over at Def Jam….I mean what labels have really been selling millions and millions of records??? CD sales aren’t what they used to be and it’s important to believe in a project to promote it well….when I think of Def Jam I think of Jay-Z, Rihanna and Ne-yo and not because of Jay-Z but because they are it’s most popular artists. Period.

Jay-Z wasn’t an amazing President because he had a whole lot of other shit on his mind. I think that he may have been doing too much but he wasn’t bad at his job. LL Cool J doesn’t sell records…….so why push that project??? LL has an old school kind of rapping that he hasn’t really grown out of….his record would have flopped and he would have blamed Jay…

103.

Anjel the 1

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

@ 16 couldn’t said it better myself!

104.

JSCENE

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

@8baller

Sick bitch, you are the one following me from post to post, commenting on anything i say, but i see your deranged ass can’t take it……not respond, never! I respond to people they way they respond to me, intelligent or ignorant, take your pick….I think you are hugely fascinated with me….boring bitches like yourself usually are….And lol at you sending dick in the mail, and whose dick would this be, yours or your mamas? You are a hateful sneaky fat cow, you try to clown any singer or entertainer who is not jayz or beyonce, or those who don’t CONSTANTLY sing their praises…don’t get mad at me cause i noticed it you stan ass bitch. You’re always pretending to like others, but clown them in the same breath, but you just have praise for jayz every time, which is fine, but don’t try and go off on other people if they disagree or for those who actually have a different objective opinion. Your face probably looks like jayz’s wrinkled ass, maybe that’s why you keep your lips pressed to it…lol….get a life and a brain dumb trick….

@96

Sorry, but it won’t be me….

105.

JSCENE

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

Ohhh, whoopeee! Mary J moved over 640,000 units in her first week…….People claim records sales are bad, but i think people aren’t responding well to artist who are full of gimmicks…..Mary didn’t do a lot of tricks, she just promoted her cd in it’s natural manner, and she didn’t offer a whole bunch of free shit with it, cause she don’t have to….she’s just a good artist who makes good music, and people respond to that.

If their is negativity in the entertainment industry it’s because people are tired of the trash that is considered music that we are bombarded with all over the radio, and the labels got the nerve to wonder why they aren’t moving alot of units…..it’s just laughable.

CONGRATS MARY……That cd is the bizness.

106.

Sassycat

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

Bigger and better things.

107.

GEM

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

#104
It’s not about good music, not really… More about precedent…if you sold 900K the last time you dropped, you’ll do about as much the next time because nobody dares think anymore. Now, maybe THAT is about good music, if…of course…the last album was full of “good music.”
But I think it’s ultimately about music having been such numbing vapid rubbish in recent years… I’m sure you’ll see that even ummmm less “good music” (lol) like Beyonce’s will do well in the first week too…
Many “artists” boast about people having underestimated them, thinking they would be one-hit-wonders… Well…the only reason they’re not is because, as I’ve explained, people don’t want to think anymore. If I liked your last song, I’ll like the next one…I don’t have time to dissect and analyze when it’s likely empty, anyway…

108.

JSCENE

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

GEM

I agree to an extent….but i think that people ultimately will fork over hard earned dollars for good music, and when a artist come out with good music, it just sells without frills and bells and whistles cause it’s not needed….just as long as the cd is marketed correctedly, and the public is aware that there is a cd to buy….

On the other hand, i think that when people try to “push” less desirable music off on people, it may work for a while, but i think people ultimately rebel against that and demand better.

In terms of “precedent” as you speak of, i disagree…i think it’s actually about good music…….look at Toni B, look at Mariah, and Janet…back in the 90’s and even early 2000’s, they had really good sales, but seeminglly “fell off”……now if it were all about precedent, this would have never happened. Instead, i think if a high-selling artist put out something the public don’t like, they won’t buy it. They won’t support them simply because the last cd sold, i think that’s crap. I know hard core Mary J fans who didn’t like some of the songs out now on the radio, but got the cd and loved the other songs……and i think if the songs were junk, they would have honestly been disappointed..

Mary’s cd is real, it’s full of vulnerabilities, it’s just raw….i myself love it, because you can relate to Mary even though you had none of the bad experiences she had in life, but yet through her music, you feel her, and she becomes relatable and you can connect…..that’s a incredible feat to accomplish in my opinion, because most times, people can’t relate to you unless they had many of the same experiences as she had…i didn’t, and yet i can relate completely…

109.

Nothing But Love

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

@ JCSENE

Ah well it was woth a try.

110.

Nothing But Love

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

*worth*

111.

zack

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

dont any of you clowns realize. Def jam has in the worst state it has ever been in while under Jay. he re-signed b/c he was asked to. and didnt want to get fired.

Jay doesnt know how to rule a record label. Dame and biggs are the ones that ran Rac-a-fella not jay.

they should have hired Dame. hopefully they do now

112.

zack

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

Gem,

how do you explain 50 cent selling over 11millions records and now down to only selling 1.3mill in the US. struggling to sell a million records.

that right there disproves your theory.

people want quality music. b/c one albums sells a certain amoun of units mean the other will. its about quality

113.

[L.Liyah]

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

Oh WOW, thats a nice pic of Jay. Anyways, I juss got the American Gangster album and i like it alot. Leaving Def Jam probably doesn’t mean much…that mofo is still rich. Being the Def Jam CEO seemed just like a “title”

114.

JUDAH

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

The only relevant portion of the blurb was the mention of that satanist, Rick Rubin, which explains why Jay-Z is going where he’s going. The witchcraft is stronger at Sony, lol.

115.

GEM

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

#111 and #107 (JSCENE)

You’re speaking long-term, I wasn’t…I meant, literally, when records drop…and here’s my point: it’s cyclical. First week sales are more about the public responding to what it knows of the artist than they are about “good music.”
But of course you could make the argument that what the public knows of an artist/the artist’s last work is “good music” then it is a response to “good music.”

But the theory certainly stands in the long run…In recent years (remember I said “recent years” initially) people respond to what they know of the artist and other people responsd to those responses… It is, then, the proverbial monkey seeing and doing.

116.

Vixen23

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

Glad he’s not president of Def Jam anymore…I don’t think he was good at it but promoting his own albums!! lol (Just like Diddy!!!)

Remember how BIG Def Jam was with so many artists? Now they all left or want to leave because he gives them no promo. (Look at LL Cool J..he was there from the beginning and now he’s with G-Unit?)

117.

CJG

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 /

This has been rumored for weeks, so I’m not surprised.

No one can discount what Jay-Z has done for Def Jam - he bought bonafied R&B with pop appeal to what has always been known as a rap label with Ne-Yo and Rihanna. He bought NAS to the label - now Def Jam can truly say that all of the “legends” have been there. Jay doesn’t strike me as “self-promoting,” ala Diddy. What he does strike me as someone who knows how to get out while the getting is good, so good for him.

Jay’s also made news recently because of some major real estate deals/investments he’s made. As Bey said in “Soldier,” Jay definitely knows how to flip that money, on MOGUL status 4 REAL.

Jay-Z gets mad respect from me - there is defintely more to that brotha than meets the eye, more than anyone ever gives him credit for.

118.

RealTalk

Thursday, December 27, 2007 /

Good for Jay!!! He brought Def Jam back to light as far as hip hop, he got them 26 grammy nods and he put Ne-Yo, Rihanna, Kanye, Rick Ross, etc. on the map. Def Jam is going to FADE TO BLACK and the RAP artists have no one to point their failing sales’ fingers at. Def Jam is concentrating on R&B with JD and LA running it now.

ROCAFELLA is his heart and he wants to bring them back to the front where they belong.

If he goes to Columbia (where they were dying to get him first), he’s going to bring them to the front in Hip Hop like he did Def Jam.

The people that don’t know the biz or understand it hate on Jay, but the SUITS no Jay is BIG GOOD BUSINESS and that’s why they’re clamoring for him.

KUDO’S TO JAY ALWAYS MAKING THE RIGHT MOVES!!!

119.

GEM

Thursday, December 27, 2007 /

#118 and every other person who expressed this sentiment….

If that were true, why wouldn’t they just extend the contract, pay the man the money and move on? It doesn’t make sense… Music sales are down and if he’s gotten the ball rolling, if he’s brought such great recognition to the label why would they let him go? It doesn’t make sense… It doesn’t make sense… And, if the rumors are true and he accepts a job with Sony, it will be confirmation that he was basically fired because the only chance that he might not have been forced out is if he really did resign to chill…going to another label, accepting that position means you’ve got no reason, really, for having left the first… It doesn’t make sense… Business always does and…you know the phrase, kids: if it don’t make dollars then it don’t make sense… lol

120.

80'sBaby

Friday, December 28, 2007 /

It’s amazing the quantity of people making referrences, points, and statements about every aspect of the industry & artists careers. However, what’s more amazing is the conviction in which the people making these comments speak. It’s truely incredible! Looking @ the majority of these posts, there appears to be an overwhelming number of record label execs, employees, and industry insiders posting on this site.

With this new found info for future reference, whenever an artist, consumer, or anyone else for that matter, has an idea, issue, or concern, about any aspect of the industry, look no further than Concreteloop! The label exces & industry insiders here appear to have direct insite & info on the careers of such artists as Jay-z. Why speculate? If you want to know the “real” reason behind Jay-z’s departure from Def Jam or if you want to know why every artist on Def Jams roster isn’t selling the way you feel they should. Simply ask the record lablel execs here @ Concreteloop. They’ll be sure to clarify whether the problem has to do with Jay-z being a “poor” executive or if it has to do with the common industry fact of low successful recording artists vs signed artists ratios on the vast majority of record label’s rosters since..forever. Whatever the matter, there are plenty of label exces & industry insiders here to provide answers to all your questions 24/7. Who knew??!! HA!

Such idiocies……

121.

GEM

Friday, December 28, 2007 /

#120
The funny thing is that, while everyone else is clearly speculating, applying common sense (this is a market economy, you know…it’s quite transparent, that way) YOU are the only one who has come into this thing wearing your certainty like mail lol You’re asserting that anyone who dares speculate MUST be a professional/insider lol… Now, don’t you see the astounding presumptuousness in that???

122.

80'sBaby

Friday, December 28, 2007 /

@ # 121.. Your exactly right in that the vast majority of everyone who has commented in this thread has done so based on sheer speculation and assumption. As far as people applying common sense is concerned, well that’s only relevant depending on who you ask. Not all sense is common and not everything common is sensible. As for me, based on all the posts I’ve read, in my opinion there’s hardly a handful of people who have an actual understanding on various aspects of the music industry such as the current market. If so, they wouldn’t've made some of the types of comments they’ve made. There is a profound difference in fact and opinion and that difference is where speculation rears it’s ugly head.

My statements have nothing to do with my being presumptuous. More so that they are riddled with sarcasim directed at those who are making blanket statments about various issues when these statements stem primarily from assumption and speculation. We all speculate and assume things from time to time. However until there is evidence that our speculations and assumptions are true, then they are just that, specualtions and assumptions. The majority of the time, people make assumptions based on their opinions. If you feel compelled to state your opionion or share your idea as to why something is, then state is as so. “I think the reason why……” Don’t sit & and make blanket statements without providing factual evidence.

In hind site, I don’t even know why I’ve wasted my time repsonding to this thread (not your post specfically but everything as a whole) from the inception because this will continue to happen. People are going to do & say whatever they want regardless. I’ve realized this for a long time. Maybe one day I won’t feel compelled to respond.

123.

GEM

Friday, December 28, 2007 /

#122
It’s a given, articulated or otherwise, that when someone comments on this blog she is giving her own opinion. I disagree with you and I must reiterate: you’re being presumptuous.

124.

zack

Saturday, December 29, 2007 /

CJG,

you need to get your facts str8. Jay didnt sign Nas nor did he bring nas to Def Jam.

LA Reid approached Nas about coming to Def Jam. LA Reid and Nas worked out Nas’s deal with Def Jam.

Jay didnt have anything to do with Nas

125.

80'sBaby

Saturday, December 29, 2007 /

@ #122 And I’ll reiterate, I am not being presumptuous. That’s your ..assumption.. I’ve stated what I’ve stated & you’ve expressed your ..opinion.. about what I’ve stated. Going back and forth isn’t going to change what I’ve stated nor your opinion on what I’ve stated. So I’m not going to further this conversation.

126.

Dap Diesel

Sunday, January 6, 2008 /

Wow…*snifs* What’s with all the hatred?

Seriously. I’ve been a Def Jam fan since Public Enemy, not just Public Enemy, DMX, Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Meth, Red,…damn near everyone on the label was allstars to me. Truth be told? Hip hop has been in one of those Bush-Era recessions for a while now. Jay-Z is not a truly tested label exec. I think even he knew that, what he is good at is acknowledging talent. Rihanna sold herself, she’s easily packaged in the pop circles. Neyo? Not far off, he’s R&B, but he can crossover pop quite easily. Kanye West? He doesn’t trust anyone else to handle his marketing, same with Jay-Z. Why is it so hard to understand that these are the most successful people on the label?

These are the only people you brought up that did well under Jay, you forget about Young Jeezy and Rick Ross? Rick Ross never broke through the glass ceiling at Slip N’ Slide until Jay brought him over, now he’s more pop than Trick Daddy, and he was the label’s cash cow.

Now I’m a Method Man fan and I’m a LL fan. Honestly the first single from both artists were lukewarm. That’s not Jay’s fault. That was the label’s decision to put those out as lead singles. They may have faired better as follow-up singles, but they went the pop route and the albums didn’t catch flames.

In the record industry, you pump money into slot machines that have great dividends and ride the wave. If you’re not getting a return on your investment, you cut your losses and invest in the ones that will (Rihanna, NeYo, Mariah Carey, etc.) So I can’t blame Jay for the sinking careers of Meth and Jay. Truthfully Tical 2000 didn’t sell well pre-J. LL went on this whole tangent working with J-Lo and he wonders why the streets don’t respect him anymore. He hasn’t been on since Mr. Smith.

Hate fuels the powerful. Respect the international hustle. You don’t see anyone blaming Kevin Lyles or Lyor Cohen or L.A. Reid? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Way to bounce Jay. It ain’t worth it.

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