Hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons, self-help guru Deepak Chopra and civil rights leader Benjamin Chavis want answers from our Presidential hopefuls.
The trio sent an open letter to the (then) eleven Democratic and Republican candidates still in the race for nomination asking them six questions on issues ranging from diversity to the environment, reducing poverty in America and ending the war in Iraq.
The letter promises to post whatever answers they receive on the internet. I wonder if they forgot about Mike Gravel (Democrat) and Alan Keyes (Republican).
HUCKABEE COMMENT TAKES HEAT
Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee is taking heat from members of the gay community over recent comments he made during an interview with beliefnet.com.
When asked:
“Is it your goal to bring the Constitution into strict conformity with the Bible? Some people would consider that a kind of dangerous undertaking, particularly given the variety of biblical interpretations.”
Huckabee replied:
“Well, I don’t think that’s a radical view to say we’re going to affirm marriage. I think the radical view is to say that we’re going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal. Again, once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again. I think the radical position is to make a change in what’s been historic.”
This is not Huckabee’s first time under fire for comments on homosexuality. In Kids Who Kill, his 1998 book which examines causes of the increase of juvenile violence in the nation, he acquainted homosexuality with illicit behavior.
“It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations — from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia,” he wrote.
According to Huckabee’s campaign, he is merely saying that he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.
DUNCAN HUNTER DROPS OUT
California Rep. Duncan Hunter, ended his bid for the White House Saturday night.
According to a media alert from his campaign’s website:
Today we end this campaign. The Nevada caucuses reflecting only 2% of the vote for me. I ran the campaign exactly the way I wanted to, and at this point not being able to gain traction in conservative states of Nevada and South Carolina, it’s time to allow our volunteers and supporters to focus on the campaigns that remain viable.
With only a little more than a million dollars, making it the least financed Republican campaign, Hunter’s campaign never really got off the ground. He adds:
The failure of our campaign to gain traction is mine and mine alone. But we have driven the issues of national security, the border fence, the emergence of China and the need to reverse bad trade policy. Because of that, this campaign has been very worthwhile, and for the Hunter family, a lot of fun.
there is nothing wrong with what huckabee said. marraige isn’t marraige unless its between a one man and a one woman. period.
Fuck a Huckabee. Do NOT compare homosexuality to bestiality, pedophilia or necrophilia. I respect everyone who wants to revolve their whole life around a man who COULD have suffered a hypnagogic experience and 2000 years later happens to have millions of followers following his HUMAN ideas and ideals… But I and many others don’t. So do NOT mix your beliefs and religion with the law.
Ondrea #2: I fully agree with what you said. Freedom to be who you are, without putting down, hurting or ruling out others, is basically the key to world peace.
How dare he compare homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia. What an ignorant bastard. Its that kind of fundamentalist rhetoric thats destroying America.
Religion can be a dangerous thing. No man or text written by man is without any flaws. Like you said, live your life by your rules, use religion as a guideline if you want, but do not hurt or exclude others because they think differently.
#2 and 3
if freedom is the goal
Ron Paul is the man
i’m with huckabee…100%
if u change it now, then 20 yrs later they’re gonna try to more changes. Until a man can get pregnant for another man, or a woman can get pregnant for a woman, the answer is NO.
and who the hell is hunter and why the hell did it take him this long to drop out? LOL
The problem with the world is that we are way too divided. In one way or another, we pit this group of people against the other group of people: white against black, gay against christian, muslim against the majority of the USA, atheists against believers, men against women, just to name a few. How can we as people ever stand together if we perpetuate that kind of mindset?
#7: Hahaha. I actually thought Hunter might step up to be a real emerging contender but with him having such little money, he honestly never stood a chance. When Richardson dropped out, I was waiting to hear the same from Hunter’s camp; the end was inevitable.
Peace and blessings,
J. Dakar
Simmons, Chopra and Chavis..??? Nobody has to answer to these three stooges
Hunkleberry, is right.!! Let men get married together when they start having babies together
Duncan Hunter dropped out ?????? I didn’t know he was in
#6: LOL, you’re reaching. No man or woman should ever be able to impregnate the same sex. That’s just playing with nature. Regardless, NOBODY should incorporate excluding any group of people with the law.
I believe, either religion or science or a combination of both will ultimately mean the end of the world one day.
ok. maybe he was a little too harsh with the whole “beastiality” thing. but we all know what the hell he is trying to say: marraige = one man + one woman. thats not religious, that just nature.
Thanks Concrete Loop for keeping us informed in the political process!!! All the celeb things are cool too, but this information is vital to our future and decision making!!! Concrete Loop you all do a great job of staying fair and reporting the news and happenings that WE can use. Congrats on a job well done and please continue doing your thing!!! Shout out to Concrete Loop!!!
As for Simmons and crew, did he ever get an answer from the rappers who use profanity and degrade women in order to make the mightly dollar….print those answers on their website. Bunch of hypocrites…
I agree with Huckabee!!! I believe in what the Bible says about marriage also!!!! The only people that would disagree are probably not Christian and gay.
Whatever the case, I don’t believe church and law should ever be under one roof.
People’s personal views should not conflict with their political ones especially when they are trying to represent a NATION that is full of DIVERSITY!
I ain’t following nobody’s rules but my own
Mike Huckabee is right! What do you mean don’t compare homosexuality to beastiality? Do homosexual not use rats and other preverse acts for sexual gratification? He is totally right and legalizing homosexual “marriage” will open the flood gates to other groups who feel they were “born that way” as with men who want to marry multiple women or men, men who feel they “always” had as sexual attraction to children and should be able to marry them. There is a sick group who feels that having sex with a child is not harmful but beneficial to the child. They really believe this and feel they too were born this way. Some people feel what harm is it to have sex with their cow, sheep, horse, etc. because they too were born that way. Everybody will rationalize the perverted things that they want to do on the coat tails of whoever gets their way first. We have to preserve whats pure and true in this world or else all chaos is going to happen. If you fall for anything, you will fall for everything.
Big ups to concreteloop for keeping me informed on what is going on in the political race. I appreciate it. I would be interested in reading the answers to those letters. I agree w/ Huckabee to a certain extenent. I mean, once a sacred intity such as marriage is redifined and altered, it will just be altered once more until the definition of marriage becomes meaningless.
I agree with #7
Marriage should be between Man and Woman.But with divorce rates going up, I don’t care about the homosexuality.I don’t think people were born gay, they choose to be.And that’s just my opinion, but I don’t go off telling people what they wanna do,it’s not my you living.So hey do you.
Don’t particularly care for Simmons.
I 100% agree with Gina, a group divided will never solve the real issues at hand. I think its sad that people are still prejudice against gays especially African Americans and other races that have been oppressed by another, you want people to treat you equally yet you want to oppress someone else, turns my stomach, and I’m sure it makes Martin Luther King “turn in his grave”…Homosexuality is not interspecies, it is between two ADULT HUMANS of the same sex, and it is not the same as having sex with a child or another species of animal, that is pedophilia & Bestiality, whether they be a man messing with a boy or girl or a woman messing with a boy or girl, these are very different things, and should be treated as such. *Shakes head @ Ignorance*
I was wondering where Russell was at? It shall be interesting if any of the candidates will respond and what the candidates would say!
@ # 12, I agree. It’s not natural because if it was natural then a man would be able to concieve by a man a woman with a woman. You can’t have two sockets & two plugs or else the electricity wouldn’t flow. That’s nature.
2 out of 3 of those clowns really need to sit down. Can you guess which?
and as far as marriage, its rare to find a real marriage anymore, their is nothing sacred about it, divorce rates are up, men are cheating on women, women are cheating on men, some of them are just in it for the sex, or either they having orgies and sh*t, so what difference does it make, men and women can’t get it right, and I’m sure men and men, or women and women won’t get it right either, I think we should learn from France and let the marriage rates drop, instead of up the divorce rates more
I agree with comment number 25. Sometimes marriage is not taken seriously these days by the union of a MAN and a WOMEN. However, I do agree with Huckabee, but to compare homosexuality to animals and bestiality is a bit raw.
It’s so funny to me how many ppl are up in arms over gays being allowed to get married. So what if they do get married, how does that change the price of rice? As in, how is that going to affect you personally? I believe that people should do what they want to do. Freedom is freedom in all aspects right? If Huckabee or any other radical Christians out there are worried about gays’ mortal souls, they should enlighten them as to what to do, and leave them to make their own choice. The Lord gave us free will to do as we want, why would we go against that and force ppl to do what we think is right? It’s up to God to judge and to punish, not us. I am a christian and i am straight, I beleive gays should get married. If straight ppl can get married and divorced mutliple times in their life, what about gay couples that have been committed for years? It’s ridiculous that in this day and age gayd would not be allowed to the same benefits as the idiots out there who get married then get divorced the next day. If huckabee and anyone else is so worried about the institution of marriage, they might want to turn their bible thumping rhetoric on those people. Especially those in the public eye.
It consistently amazes me at how ignorant people can be when it comes to “homosexuality”.
For one, i totally agree with above, you should NEVER mix religion and beliefs with the LAW. PERIOD! To tell 2 people they cannot get married b/c of their sexual prefrence is PREJUDICE. PERIOD. There is no way around it. And how DARE he compare homosexuality to beastiality and predophiles. Like are you fucking kidding me?!?!?
And to the person above. Maybe people arent born gay, but please believe its not something they choose! It’s most definitly not a choice. You ask any gay man if he had a choice to be straight or gay and 9 times out of 10 he’d say straight. Who would choose that life style you fucking moron! To have people telling you your going to hell everyday, to not having the same priviledges as a heterosexual, little shit that we just take for granted like holding hands in public with our girlfriend/boyfriend without getting strange looks. Mothers and Fathers sending their child to therapy b/c they think that its something that they may “Grow out of”. Disappointing your mother b/c she knows NOW her only son won’t be having grand kids. People have no IDEA how difficult it is, to walk in this world today and be a gay man!
And #17 is just about as ignorant as Huckabee! Like what the fuck are you talking about. Any person who would use a rat for sexual gratification is sick. That has NOTHING to do with their sexuality you dumb broad.
And see shit like that, those are the type of ignorant things people think of a gay person and assume, when i have never even THOUGHT about using any type of animal or anything like that in sexual acts. People are fucking IDIOTS!!
I’m sorry but to me, if you tell 2 men you cant get married you might as well tell a black person they cant sit at the front of the bus. Tell a woman she cant be CEO of a company. It’s PREJUDICE and your beliefs or your religion is not a good enough argument! The bible says this and that…well what if i don’t believe in the bible? Then what? Now whats your argument? Exactly.
As as for opening the flood gates to other out of the box things. Look we all have common sense. A man marrying a dog does not compare to any way shape of form to 2 men getting married. And thats ALL im going to say about that.
And as for the argument about gays should not be allowed to get married because they can’t procreate with each other? What about straight couples who are barren? The husband can be sterile or the woman unable to conceive. Should they not be allowed to get married as well? Give me a break.
And Kiki right about me just took the words right out of my mouth..i’ll never understand why people CARE so much.
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I, too, agree with what most of Huckabee said. I don’t agree with the comparison of pediphilia and homosexuality. But I think we should be careful when we support freedom because such freedom would allow man to marry child, animal or three women. Freedom is a convenient argument when we have our own agenda, but we must keep in mind of the harm such freedom might cause.
@#28 JohnnyBoy504… To answer your question… if you don’t believe in The Bible, you’re going to hell period. End of story. I honestly hope you figure this out before you burn eternally. Anymore questions? Feel free to ask
D-Nice, i sure hope u’ve never called the Lord’s name in vain, lied, stole, fornicated, lusted after a woman or anything like that because you going to hell right alone with Johnny boy.
@KIKI I’ve done all of those except lusted after a woman. That’s not my sexual orientation, but to each his own. Stealing? Yeah I guess we’ve all stolen a piece of candy as a child. But the Lord does forgive. The only point I was trying to make is #28 will not have the opportunity to be forgiven for whatever mishaps he may come upon in life if he’s saying he doesn’t believe at all. Be Blessed
A man and three women okey
, but animals !? get the fuck outa here
For those of you people agreeing with Huckabee to bring the Constitution and the Bible into one accord, I have five words for you: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
And for the rest of you who have apparently gotten a personal phone call from God himself to pass judgment on others whose lifestyles and beliefs are different than your own: ….Oh wait, you DIDN’T get that phone call! None of us have the right to judge or condemn, even if you think you have verse after verse to back you up.
Live and let live, guys. Homosexuality compared to beastiality?? Come on! And the argument that if you allow same-sex marriage that it will lead to man-animal unions is RIDICULOUS. That same slippery-slope argument was used when blacks were fighting for equal rights. I mean, the same Constitution that some of you are fighting to uphold at one point claimed that blacks were considered to only be 3/5ths of a person. Should that have been upheld to? SMH at all the ignorance…
@Mr. White…A 34 yr old man in India named Selvakumar (or something like that) married his dog. Lokk it up. People are crazy, it’s not the first time a human has married an animal. If we continue to cry about freedom, there’s no telling what these people will do with it.
i never realized how digustingly and irrationally prejudiced so many ppl r on this board. Hypocrites, always crying racism, yet you’re the ones bashing another group.
I agree with parts of what Huckabee said, he was just a little harsh sometimes. I am a Christian with gay friends and I don’t have a problem with them, they already know what I stand for, and believe in so now… they simply aren’t my problem. Like it was said before I just let God do the judging.
And as far as #37 with the Separation of Church and State.. I do believe that this country was built with laws and rules based upon God, and I just really cannot imagine what will happen if we stray away from that. I mean I remember reading a story in the bible where God destroyed a whole city because it was filled with gays… =( I don’t want that to happen to America..
…And all u so-called Christians, does your faith not stop u from listening to those FILTHY, POLLUTED, DIRTY ASS records those rappers put out, or watching TV shows with vile, immoral people like on Flavor of Love?!
#30 Thats why I care so much
Hucakbee is dead wrong and just an idiot to compare homosexuality to beastiality. There are plenty straight people who practice beastiality. It has nothing to do with being gay but more so that the person is sick in the head.
I am tired of people talking about procreation in terms of why gay marriage should not happen. Not all (married/unmarried) heterosexual couples can have children. There are plenty of infertility issues or maybe they just don’t want children so that is an invalid argument.
Another thing, not everyone is gay or will turn gay because of this. People are acting like it is the end of the world because all these gay people will become rampant and outnumber the straight population and no one will be able to procreate.
ps. sorry in advance for my grammar and/or spelling
What kills me though is half of the black people on CL who bash gays because of who they are, are the first ones to support R. Kelly who is a pedophile. I’ve heard plenty of black people say “I’ll support R.Kelly” or “It’s the white man trying to bring him down” or “I’ll still buy his music”. When I was in High School I had friends who were Christians and they were against homosexuality. They would say things like they would disown their child if they were to be gay. I don’t know how anybody could do that to their own flesh and blood. With all of these comments about gay people “committing a sin” It’s no wonder why there are so many black men on the D.L.
@Fancy and? i’m sure when white ppl first gave blacks more freedom, they were also thinking “there’s no telling what these ppl will do with it”
personally, b/c i’m a black person who has been discriminated against, i don’t think i should be discriminating against others. i mean the church used to use to bible to say slavery was ok. have we forgotten about that? but i guess at the end of the day, history repeats itself and just like blacks were oppressed and the church didn’t give a sh**, now we’re oppressing gays and the church again doesn’t give a sh** but ppl are too dumb, prejudiced, close-minded etc. to see that. the main issue is that the church hence the Bible is separate from the state so why is the bible being brought up in the lawmaking process
All I have to say about this is, I bet the same people on this site and anyone else who condemns homosexuality and proclaims it a sin, probably most (if not all) of them have had sex before they’re married. I guess you can pick and choose which “sins” you commit..
i’m glad russ, deepak and ben recognize that these candidates need to distinguish and define themselves on the relevant issues.
angela…..i hope you guys r makin’ microsoft pay market rate for this add on here.
i agree with HUCKABEE 100% marriage = one man + one woman = Marriage/ husband & wife….. WOMAN was created & designed for MAN, MEN cannot carry children and WOMAN cannot and does not have certain Strengths. my HUSBAND is my COVERING another WOMAN cannot protect me or take care of me mentally, emotionally or pshycially… another WOMAN would act like me, have a period like me WHAT DA HELL would i want with one!! i cant stand my self sometimes and i dont want no woman rubbing my back HELL TA’ DA NAW!………..
a COW and CHICKEN CAN NOT SLEEP TOGETHER! PIGS dont FLY… i still have not seen a COW jump over the MOON!
to #49 but not all men and women can have children so now what?
Fancy: Homosexuality isn’t causing anyone harm, because it’s a personal thing. How does anyone’s affection for someone else affect you personally, really? Being secretive and on the D.L. because homosexuality is looked down upon, is really what is causing harm.
Huckabee’s skinhead and “Christian” conservative supporters are not going to care.
with Huckabee statement, all you have to do is change the bible to Koran put an Arabic accent on his voice and you would think it some Islamic extremist or some mullah talking. we don’t need a religious nut in the white house the one in their right went to was because he thinks god choose him to free the Iraqi people
Homosexuality is wrong according to a majority of interpretations of the bible. On America’s money it says “In GOD We Trust”. If America and a majority of the people (this is a democrcy right?) actually agre a GOD exists and a majority of those people think the bible is right. Then what is there a discussion for.
Several years ago Ellen Degeneres was not allowed on television because of her overt open sexulity. what changed? How did they convince our minds that if you no longer accept homosexuality and have a dep sense of spiritual morality there is something wrong with you and you need diversity training. The media brainwashed a majority of people in a short period of time. Yet nooses can still appear on the cover of GOLDWEEK. hahahaha. When you take GOD and his word and morality out of the occasion there is the threat of becoming too liberal. Just like getting drunk is a sin, and leads to bad behaviour, just like illicit sex, and unprotected sex between two unwed people can lead to a child that grows up without a responsible father (which is accepted as the norm, now in our – black – community). A sin is a sin is a sin.
And I am willing to give scriptural reference to back up the things I have said. Only to those who believe in GOD and the bible. I will use any version of the bible they have.
Too many people want to follow GOD’S word when they want to or see the benefits but if they are doing something wrong and it is not condoned they flip.
Sorry there was typo, I actually meant GOLF WEEK (in reference to the noose thing).
I also meant to show stats that a majority of people in the states are admitted Christians or their beliefs are derived from a bible based Christian denomination. And thus proves that the bible standard had been tampered with in America.
this is HILARIOUS, where the heck did all these CHRISTIANS come from? shouldn’t you guys me in “gobtube.com”? what the hell are you doing in a blog that glorifies man’s vanity?
you know the bible also abuses blacks, we are called slaves. i bet we are all going to hell too. the same sentences that abuses gays also abuses people who wear some form of clothing and people who eat sea food. so i bet WE CAN”T WIN. SEE ALL OF YOU IN HELL.
all you people loving HUCKABITCH, you do know that this week he was supporting a WHITE SUPREMACY group and SUPPORTING THE FLYING OF THAT SOUTHERN RACIST FLAG
read for youself
http://www.pamshouseblend...EEAF80F97076?diaryId=4208
And to all the people who disagree withpeople who are against homosexuality. Stop using what we may or may not listen to, other sins, other opinions and other issues like racism, sexism and general ignorance be compared from one subject to another. This is about homosexualiy and homosexualiy alone. People’s opinions on R Kelly, bad rap music and anything else is not justified or relative to this subject.
Homosexuality as an act is a sin, it is in the bible point blank. Anyone who wants to re write the bible or claim the bible was wrong for that or interprets the bible incorrectly. So be it.
Was Huckabee too stong in his condemnation? Maybe. But don’t shoot the messenger. Don’t frigging vote for him. But not all candidates are talking 100% bullshit. I bet there is some truth in all of them.
i like to post an open letter to russell simmons:
why does he condone misogony, homophoia, bigotry in hip hop?
@johnosahon
Back that up with scripture and kindly let me tear that reasoning down for you.
Not a debate but simply I know how and where you arrived and that thinking. The old testament law is not for us. JESUS died for our sins and now everyone who follows HIS teachings and believe in HIM are obeying GOD”S law.
As for Muslims I am not sure of their teching in full, but any writings that allow men to have more than one wife (so long as he can afford them and treat them with the up mot respect) I assume frowns on homosexuality.
In closing do you think that because some people on here agee with Huckbee on homosexuality that they support him. Maybe you over shot there a little silly wabbit.
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Sunday, January 20, 2008
i like to post an open letter to russell simmons:
why does he condone misogony, homophoia, bigotry in hip hop?
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that’s simple because he is probably a “CHRISTIAN” , you know someone who is ONLY concerned in OTHER PEOPLE’S BUSINESS forgetting the skeletons in their OWN CLOSET