POLITICS: IOWA RECAP
Saturday, January 5, 2008

The results are in… In the first step of America’s presidential selection process in 2008, two candidates have turned their unlikely stories into meaningful victories: Barack Obama, the Democratic winner, and Mike Huckabee, the Republican.
Obama has been a favorite of the media for months, but his victory over Hillary Clinton seems partly to be a result of a massive increase in turn-out in Iowa (nearly double that of 2004), especially by young voters. Four in ten first-time voters (among the Democrats) apparently favored him. Obama claimed 37.6% of the vote, to Clinton’s 29.5%. She even trailed John Edwards, who drew 29.8% support. Obama also did well by scooping a large chunk of independents, and a small number of Republicans who came to the Democratic caucus to vote for him. He even beat her among women. Clinton will say that she nearly tied him among real Democrats, but Obama’s campaign will sensibly retort that Iowa proved the crossover appeal needed to win a general election. Change was the theme of the night, and Iowans who want it strongly preferred Obama.
Obama’s Victory Speech
Clinton’s third-place finish is deeply disappointing for her, even though she retains lots of money, strong organization and a well-recognized name and can expect to improve her performance. She has quickly turned to New Hampshire, where polls have shown her tying with (or leading) Obama, and then on to South Carolina. Edwards’s future looks cloudier, given the gap with Obama. The Democrats appear to be heading for a two-horse race, which either can win.
For the Republicans, Iowa featured a winner and loser in the state, and a winner who did not even bother to campaign there seriously, nor to show up on caucus night. Mike Huckabee’s improbable rise was confirmed with a nine-percentage-point win over Mitt Romney: Huckabee got just over 34% of the vote, Romney’s 25%, with Fred Thompson and John McCain each taking just over 13%. Rudy Giuliani, who has not bothered to campaign in Iowa, scored just 3.5% support.
Huckabee’s Victory Speech
Romney will be particularly disappointed. He had poured money, including much of his own, into the state. But Huckabee, the former Baptist preacher, appealed to evangelical Republicans, who turned against Romney’s Mormon religion and his perceived recent conversion to social conservatism. Romney called this just the first round, and promised to bounce back.
The winner who stayed away from Iowa was McCain. He came in fourth, but just a few hundred votes behind Thompson, a former senator, despite barely visiting the state. Recent newspaper endorsements and media coverage have revived the Arizona senator’s fortunes. He now looks like he can move past Romney in New Hampshire and perhaps win the state, which borders Romney’s Massachusetts.
Not everyone was a winner, though. Two Democratic senators from the Northeast — Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and Joseph Biden Jr. of Delaware — became the first casualties of the Iowa caucuses. After both failed to get a single percentage point, they issued statements saying they would drop out of the race. The candidacy of Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico seemed imperiled as well; he came in fourth with only 2 percent of the delegate count.
The most exciting race in decades would not be complete without its unexpected twists, and New Hampshire offers one on Tuesday. The state’s independents may vote in either primary. Both Obama and McCain court them ambitiously. But they may only vote once; if they break for Obama’s hope and optimism, they abandon McCain to Romney. And if they break for McCain’s maverick streak, they may help the Democratic machine’s candidate, Clinton.








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76.
jones
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
still waiting Latane…
77.
YaYa264
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Yay! I’m so excited. I’m 19 so this will be my first presidential election and its proving to be a very exciting campaign season.
78.
mia
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Team Obama, I wonder what would really happen if he become the first black president? Have yall ever wondered about that. Like will it cause more bad or good. Think about it. But I’m still for Team Obama.
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TOOFUNNY
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
LATANE, I think you might be on the wrong site. You are WAAAAAAY too transparent. Damn, black folk can’t have nothing. lol
80.
BLAH
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
@25: Exactly!
@23 (LATANE), aka #24: If like you said, that Obama’s plan (which according to you, would not cover everyone) implies more taxes, what then would Hilary’s plan do? lol. It kills me when these loonies get online and spin all kinds of garbage like people are too stupid to see right through their half-baked rhetoric.
Besides, I heard Obama articulate that his healthcare plan would focus on people without choice, for example, children, which makes perfect sense. Please get your facts straight before you start foaming out the mouth.
81.
TOOFUNNY
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
#14 LATANA said: “-in South Africa she stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Nelson Mandela”
Gtfoh.. where was she when he was writhing in jail while his countrymen where being crushed with apartheid? Now you’re just being silly.. please stop cracking me up.
82.
CaramelMocha_Frapp
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
can anyone give me the website to these canidates ppplleezz?
83.
Kenyanpebbles
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
i’ll be voting for the 1st time this year
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!!
84.
Kenyanpebbles
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Obama is gonna be in my school this tuesday and i cant wait to hear what he has to say. he speaks so intelligently and he’s a hardworker. he reminds of MLK. i’m so proud of him and his half kenyan self. i hope the kenyan leaders can learn from him now that they’ve lead kenya into a civil war. the first kenyan war in history. we need leaders like him.
85.
jones
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
and waiting……..
86.
SouthernBell
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
I believe Latane is on someone’s payroll. Hillary’s camp machine perhaps.
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J. Dakar
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
#82: Major Democratic Candidates:
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Mike Gravel
Dennis Kucinich
Barack Obama
Bill Richardson
Major Republican Candidates:
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Duncan Hunter
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Ron Paul
Mitt Romney
Fred Thompson
Peace and blessings,
J. Dakar
88.
jones
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
sooooo on point southernbell
89.
hey ya
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
I wannna agree with 75! is everyone gonna actually VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
90.
I AM THAT I AM
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
OH PLEASE. Hillary has no damn experience, go Obama! I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired of this goverment. Hillary aint nuttin but a female Bush with a healthcare plan.
91.
puttinginmy2cents
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
# 75 NOW YOU SAID A MOUTH FULL! PLEASE JUST GO OUT AND VOTE PEOPLE! IT IS ACTIONS NOT WORDS! COME ON NOW! COME ON!
VOTE VOTE VOTE!
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jones
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
@75-88-and 90 don’t worry, Bush’s policies over the years makes it so hard for people not to vote, too many people black,white,candy stripe are fed up with the same old b.s.
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Adrian Clyde
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
I’m rooting for Hillary.
Yeah, she’s pretty much an extension of Bill Clinton, but he was a pretty good president overall (better than Bush) and she’s pretty experienced.
So go Hillary.
94.
Becca the Promo Mami
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
this whole experience thing is KILLING me. i’m from Chicago and Obama has been in politics here for over a decade!!!
He was a state senator and now he’s a US senator. I think he’s got a lot of great experience under his belt.
There have been a lot less experienced people in the white house than Obama.
He’s got experience, and he’s got a message than people need to hear — and that i GENUINELY believe he is going to carry out.
95.
blackdiamond76
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Although, I would love to see Obama in office…it’s not highly likely! Behind closed doors this country is still ruled by the Old boys clubs of racist Anglo Saxon Men. We must be realistic about this…even if Obama does make some waves…it’s unlikely that he will be voted in office. Even if he was, there would be some controversy…think Bush election of 2004 –he never even officially won the election!! Not to mention the fact that we were marching for Civil Rights not even 30 years ago and let’s not forget the assasination of MLK and JFK. Those same racist views and attitudes still prevail in this country…don’t get it twisted!! It will be interesting to see how this plays out…They not gone let Obama in office without a major fight…BELIEVE THAT!!
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Latane
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Hillary and Bill Clinton are different people, why are people bringing up issues of Bill Clinton like it was Hillary’s fault, every politician has their share of controversies, what matters is what they can do for us now. And to the people saying that Hillary doesn’t have 35 years of experience and saying that her experience is being Bill’s wife, please do your research her contributions to politics have been happening since before she even married Bill.
How can people say that experience doesn’t matter? It has everything to do with it, this is the United States the most powerful nation in the World and you want someone with so little experience to run it? Even Bill Richardson would make a better president than Obama because he has more experience and is sure of himself. Obama has plans for change but has no proven record of actually making change other than giving charismatic speeches.
97.
4REALZZZZZZ
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
WAKE UP BLACK PEOPLE!!!
Obama is not a politician, he is a arrogant politician who would not be up in polls, if it was not for Oprah (white ass.) Think about it what has Oprah really done for black americans, she believes just like Will, Jada Smith and the rest of them that you have to be a certain black person to make it. Obama isnot ready and just because he married a sista, dont mean shit. The Clintons made our country prosperous, blacks and middle class people flourished when Bill was in office. Obama thinks he is slick trying to team up with Edwards…they continue to disrespet Hillary Clintonbecause she is a threat. Ask yourself, whenever have you seen Obama is not a black person who has struggled (he lived and grew up in Hawaii,) has he ever struggled like the average African American. He has not and I have never seen him walk through the Ghetto nor Edwards. The Clinton’s have gone above and beyond. Waste your vote on Obama and that change bull shit he’ s speaking of you want. Whoever enters that Whoye house has to clean up a lot of shit that George Bush has created. The person has to have experiene and relationships with foreighn leaders. This is not a time for change but a time for CORRECTION. Hillary 08 keep fighting girlfriend.
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4REALZZZZZZ
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Oh yeah excuse the grammatical errors…I was a bit heated as I was typing. I meant White House….etc
99.
(_!+0
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Personally…I don’t want Obama to win. Not that I’m prejudice, but let’s be real for 3.5 seconds, he’s only gonna get votes based on his skin color. African Americans are gonna be lined up at the voting polls from around the block just to vote for him. I bet more than half of them won’t even look at what he’s trying to change. Shoot, most of them prolly never even voted before, now they wanna vote just because we have a black candidate….The mayor of my city is black, and since he’s been in office, summer youth jobs have gonna strictly to all black teens, i would say approximately 87% went to them…..Talk about lookin out for your own people…
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EJ
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
According to recent polls, 69% of whites are ready for a black president
while only 47% of blacks are ready for a black president
why do you the majority of African Americans are not ready for a black president?
101.
gg boo
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
@98 - and who do you think people who have been in the WHITE HOUSE have been looking out for? You know, it’s comments like that that show how deeply ingrained racism and prejudice is. How are you going to compare your black mayor to a completely different black man -who happens to be half white -. We don’t all look the same, think the same and, you obviously haven’t been reading the comments because we’re clearly not going to all vote the same. Or as you say line up just to vote for a black man. I mean, have you not been paying attention? If it’s only black people supporting him, how in the hell did he win Iowa? Have you not read the polls and seen how black voters have historically payed less attention to who the candidate in contrast to what he or she stands for? Obama didn’t even initially have the support of 60% of black females. So, stop being an idiot, do some research and don’t be so quick to make baseless, pointless comments like that.
102.
gg boo
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
And while I am undecided still, i am a little unsure about the person woh said they have never seen obama walk through the ghetto. He’s walked through and worked to uplift the ghettos and public housing issues here in Chicago, not to mention the ghettos of his father’s homeland. Come on now.
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MaxAMillion
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
I will vote for Obama or John Edwards. Anyone but that lying phoney named Hillary Clinton. She can’t even admit that she made a mistake in voting to give George Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq. Plus I hate the “black voice” she uses whenever she talks to a black audience. It is insulting to say the least. She makes me sick!!
104.
Maxim
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
If Oprah Winfrey ran for president, she would win.
105.
gluvnast
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
@ 102
i cosign with you about that…another thing that disgust me is how she changes her accent whenever she’s at southern states…as if she’s one of them…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLHxja43iY
106.
floacist
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Re: EJ
Polls don’t mean ish, lol. A single poll doesn’t represent the 30 someodd million “African Americans” (NOT EVERY BLACK PERSON IS DAMN AFRICAN AMERICAN OKAY? DAMN! DON’T FORGET ABOUT US). Give it a rest.
Re:4REALZZZZZZ
I cannot stand people like you. What difference does it make where he was born? So because he isn’t a product of slavery he can’t run for president in America? Will that be the bar that black candidates need to jump over in order to qualify to run as a black person? Obama is not black enough but Bill Clinton is…ya’ll are a trip. lol
107.
gluvnast
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
(_!+0
Sunday, January 6, 2008
Personally…I don’t want Obama to win. Not that I’m prejudice, but let’s be real for 3.5 seconds, he’s only gonna get votes based on his skin color. African Americans are gonna be lined up at the voting polls from around the block just to vote for him. I bet more than half of them won’t even look at what he’s trying to change. Shoot, most of them prolly never even voted before, now they wanna vote just because we have a black candidate….The mayor of my city is black, and since he’s been in office, summer youth jobs have gonna strictly to all black teens, i would say approximately 87% went to them…..Talk about lookin out for your own people…
^^^^that’s a very ignorant statement. even though i agree that some MAY vote for him because of his skin color…he’s didn’t WIN iowa, because of his skin color, he’s not on the verge of winning N.H. because of his skin color. iowa is 95% WHITE, and i’m quite certain that a black man with the name barack hussien obama being the motivator of him winning that state! nor should it be OUR reason, NOR it should be OUR reason NOT to vote for him. if you don’t want to vote for him, it should be because of his policies, NOT his color. and even with that, he should be our 1st priority to do research on to see if he’s worthy because having a black man as the nation’s leader will FOREVER change the face of this country and how the world will percieve us.
here’s a powerful clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reIasgDX4VY
108.
gluvnast
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Latane
Sunday, January 6, 2008
Hillary and Bill Clinton are different people, why are people bringing up issues of Bill Clinton like it was Hillary’s fault, every politician has their share of controversies, what matters is what they can do for us now. And to the people saying that Hillary doesn’t have 35 years of experience and saying that her experience is being Bill’s wife, please do your research her contributions to politics have been happening since before she even married Bill.
How can people say that experience doesn’t matter? It has everything to do with it, this is the United States the most powerful nation in the World and you want someone with so little experience to run it? Even Bill Richardson would make a better president than Obama because he has more experience and is sure of himself. Obama has plans for change but has no proven record of actually making change other than giving charismatic speeches.
^^^^^^^^ well, um bush had the most experienced cabinet EVER in u.s. history….the majority of his cabinet, past & present had an average of 40 years of that experience, and i mean EXECUTIVE experience…
cheney, condi, rove, rumsfeld, powell, the names goes on…all with superior experience, and look where we are at now.
so if hillary is the status quo of that “experience” of the past 35 years that she claims she have…she’s PART of the problem not the solution. people are looking at someone to break that tradition. and 20 plus years of people ONLY knowing bush, clinton, bush, clinton…isn’t breaking the tradition…she’s campaigning that smae health care schitck since ‘93 when he failed the 1st time…
now whut’s your arguement again?
keep in mind, that reason why people voted a relatively unknown and inexperienced bill clinton (and no, being a state governor does NOT equals to white house experience) wasn’t because of “experience” but because they wanted someone that could change the direction this country is going. we got a new generation and people are once again TIRED of how things are and how bad they are gotten. the clintons are not part of that status quo. in fact most of her policies are online with the bush doctrine.
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Hihat808
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
A replublican HAS to win. Im definitly voting for Mike Huckabee. All the democrats are gunna take the troops out of Iraqs for what. They chose to be in the army so that’s what they deserve, if we take the troops out of Iraq, the iraquies are gunna come to America and bomb up every thang and hall are gunna start crying. Learn sumthin.
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Ara
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!! MAKE A DIFFERENCE VOTE BARACK OBAM A
111.
jones
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Latane I see you came back,and you brought some friends to help you out.Or did you just put new names to give validity to your rhetorical comments?You speak of Mrs.Clinton’s experience and the examples of her so called experience,you even go so far as to put people on blast for not doing their research,but when I asked you what were your sources of information,you were missing for hours,why….?@96 boy where should I start to dismantle your convoluted,brainless statements.Oprah with all the money,power and influence is ONE mistake away from taking OJ’s slot as the most hated black person in America,but have you been to her show for a live taping?If you did you would see all of the black people she employs in powerful positions,name a white-run studio that does the same?You go on to say how prosperous blacks,and the middle-class were,but you failed to mention that the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement(NAFTA)took all that prosperity away.To say that Obama was trying to team up with Edwards against Mrs.Clinton was hands-down the dumbest thing I’ve heard,why would he align himself with someone he’s defeated?And by the way Obama also llived and grew up in Kansas.It is my hope that people like you and your friends Latane,and 98 get a GED,and maybe the manager will put you all on fries or the drive-thru,keep hope alive you dumbfucks
112.
Joanne
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
yayy Obama !
113.
TENI
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
Latane…..
I respect your opinion, but it is just that. It is sad to see young people, and unfortunately African American people falling for the bs that the Clintons are throwing our way.
Hillary Clinton, what experience? Barack Obama has been an elected offical LONGER than she has……And on top of that, they both were lawyers. And if she is counting Bill Clinton as her “experience” then she is nuts. If I were getting brain surgey and the doctor couldn’t do it anymore, and they said “oh, I’ll send in his wife, she has experience?” I’ll be looking like okay WTF! All I’m saying is, don’t let the rhetoric fool you, it’s not all good. AND if she is counting Bill CLinton as her “experience” then let’s recap why don’t we. I’m only 24 years old, and I REMEMBER when Bill CLinton was president okay. Do you know that he expanded the death penalty so that drug dealers could get the death penalty? African Americans make up 80% of the drug offenders in state and federal prision which began to hike during Reagan adminstration but Bill CLinton didn’t slow the so-called war on drugs down. And what about Rwanda, huh? What about Somalia…..MILLIONS of Africans died under Clinton and she wants to scream at W. about Sudan. She is a phony! And the NEw Orleans leeves were sheculded for replacement during the Clinton administration. Believe the hype if you want to! And don’t forget that the THREE STRIKES bill was introduced during the CLinton administration, and I wonder do you know how many more Black people are disppropotionately are in jail than White people because of the BS! TWO MILLION!
And it’s so sad to see people, especially BLACK people giving this lady so much praise. It’s one thing to support somebody but it’s another thing to be a fool.
I can say I was critical of “hillary” from day one. I say her debate in Detroit and Kwame Kilpatrick was standing to his feet and I just thought to my self, she isn’t even saying anything! Nothing! If Obama was a white man, it wouldn’t even be a competition.
I’m tired of listening to Hillary Clinton talking about George Bush. Okay, she went to the same law school with this man, and she has lunch with his father. I don’t want to hear anyone pandering to me. Telling me lies. You know what, she may get the nomination, because she is uber-corrupt but I vote my hope and not my fear. I am not scared. And even though I live in Michigan and Obama isn’t on our ballot, I hope one day I get to vote for a candidate I really believe in.
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TENI
Sunday, January 6, 2008 /
TOOFUNNY: You are telling the truth!
Adrian Clyde: Don’t be a fool. I’m dying to know what experience she has? Or are you too going off hear say?
Hihat808: You have this site confused?
JONES: Eloquently written.
4REALZZZZZZ: Willie Lynch? Ever heard of him. Conquer and divide, it is the method that has been used on AA forever when it comes to pyschological divison. Don’t make stuff up just for the sake of making stuff up.
gluvnast: You are telling the truth and nobody wants to hear it!
Black Diamond: It’s been OVER 40 years. But I feel you, it never ends. But guess what, you have to vote your hope not your fears. Because half the people that don’t want a “black” president, won’t even bother voting.
Becca the Promo Mami: Tell it!
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UNREAL
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
#100 Said: “According to recent polls, 69% of whites are ready for a black president
while only 47% of blacks are ready for a black president. Why do you the majority of African Americans are not ready for a black president?”
- Because sorry to say, many African Americans are self-hating drones. Look no further than this thread for good examples.
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CaramelTai
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Did anyone watch the New Hampshire Democratic debate last night on CNN? While Obama and Edwards kept themselves composed for the majority of the debate, Clinton showed a nature of anger on a regular basis and kept repeating that she had over 35 years of experience in politics. She constantly got defensive when she wasn’t being attacked. I don’t know about you, but I won’t be voting for Hilary Clinton in November.
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chocl8child
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
@ No. 2…how is Hillary an experienced leader? She’s been a Senator yes, but other than that, she has no political experience.
She’s riding the coat tail of her mediocre husband ( I voted for Bill, but his record aint THAT great).
Hillary seems to be the female, Democratic version of GW. I can’t really see her making any positive change on the global or domestic front. Her authentic self is coming out since she lost Iowa and folks are realizing it.
Go Obama!!
118.
ABOUT HILLARY @#116
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Yes, I did see the debate watched it more than once and I saw her body language and her facila expression she looked “ghetto” and full of hate for a brother and i lve what Edwards said to her in defense of Obama that you did not start attacking him until Obama until he was ahead.
The media even mentioned her flip-flopping this weekend and now all of a sudden she has gone fo rthe young vote and the even showed how she has put change on her campaaign bus. Obama has been speaking change since 2004 and that was his platform in his acceptance speech………
Hillary thinks we are stupid… she acts like she has entittlement issues…all we would be doing is putting Bill back in office and if she hates Obama she hates all blacks……….
forget Hillary………experienced at decieving and manipulating people and I am not having it!!!!
119.
Complex
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Hillary Clinton is a cooporist…
people here think its easy for black people to switch their votes…
People support barack obama..
and the clintons…are scared…lol
120.
Meat
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
103. MaxAMillion said: I will vote for Obama or John Edwards. Anyone but that lying phoney named Hillary Clinton. She can’t even admit that she made a mistake in voting to give George Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq. Plus I hate the “black voice” she uses whenever she talks to a black audience. It is insulting to say the least. She makes me sick!!
I never noticed the “black voice” Hillary uses on black audiences. LMAO! That sounds racist and stereotypical. Good comments!
Also, let me say one thing about experience in the White House! No one on the planet could do worst than George W. (Esquire) Bush Jr. He has proven that experience, special interest and background are way overrated. He has put us in debt to the tune of trillions!
All we really need in a president is someone who will say NO to all the BS. And, YES to the things that really matter! Like…saying no to the war and yes to healthcare. No to dependency on foreign oil and yes to keeping jobs in the US. No to States that permit discrimination and yes to immigrant who enter the US through the proper channels.
Finally, if Monica blew Bill in the White House, what makes you think that Hillary won’t? The Clinton’s are freaks! I ain’t mad at them, but we don’t need another scandal after the war.
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JerseyBred323
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Obama/Edwards ‘08.
Nice piece Dakar
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JerseyBred323
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Lisa
Saturday, January 5, 2008
OBAMA All the WAY! Listen to Obama speak, check out his web-site and read his books. The brotha is intelligent and has great ideas for the country. The so-called lack of experience some people talk about may be better than the “super ” experienced politicians who have run the country into shambles (i.e. poor housing conditions, terrible education system, IRAQ, billions being sent to Afghanistan, IRAQ, etc
**************************************************************************************************
Thank you Lisa. Dubya’s “experienced” & look at how well he’s done.
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Meat
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
@122 JerseyBred323
Lisa spoke well, but its not just bilions…it has turned into trillions!
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nicole
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Hillary keeps saying she has experience; with all her experience and all the things she says she’s done, things in this country have only gotten worse. She can’t use her husband’s record because that was his record. She claims she was very involved in some of the policies and decision’s made when her husband was president. If that was the case she should have known what was up with Bill & Monica. Either way, none of these canidates now running should lay claim to their experience when this country is so screwed up right now; with all this experience you would think they would have known not to let Bush go to war and they would have solved at least some of the countries problems by now!!!!
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CHOCOLATEKISSES
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
I am voting for Obama.
But please people let me say this, do your RESEARCH and vote for the canidate who YOU believe will make a difference as president. That is so very important and I’ve noticed that some people get caught up in the hype and start to listen to “hear say” while letting the opinions of OTHERS form their decision. It’s crazy that some of you are actually bickering back and forth about each others OPINIONS. If someone wants to vote for Hilary, then that’s their choice. But in the end, I just hope everyone does their research, it is key.
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km
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Obama has charm and good looks but little else. His Health Care solution is socialism. Higher taxes for all sounds real good to me. No securing the border plan that will work. Hello??? Young people, my age group 18 -35 Wake up and vote for the best person overall. We need a strong leader who can run the government like a business. It’s OUR tax dollars they use not theirs to do with as they wish. Read the Constitution, stop listening to MSM and get the facts people BEFORE you vote for charisma and a smooth talking man or woman.
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allabouttheAries
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
I think it will take a Godly miracle to get out of the mess we are currently.Damn near every country hates the United States or doesn’t want to have any dealings with us. I’m not saying its all Bush’s fault (though he is a problem of such degree we may never recover) because we have been burning bridges since we “discovered” these lands, but I stand with my previous statement that whoever comes after him will need God’s help and grace to fix whats completely broken.
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nicole
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
The only way to have experience in anything is if you’ve already done it. Hillary has not been President of the United States before, therefore she can not have experience being president. Her husband was, but again, that is his record not hers.What people are saying about Barack, they said about Bill Clinton when he first ran, that he wasn’t experienced enough; by experience what people really mean is not being willing to play Washington politics(which is what I don’t want). Then you here people say that Bill Clinton was the first black president or he’s done more for blacks. He did not free us from slavery nor did he sign the bill allowing us to vote; so what has he really done? Let Bill get pulled over by police and Barak get pulled over by the police and then see who is really the black man!
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Meat
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
126. km said: Obama has charm and good looks but little else. His Health Care solution is socialism. Higher taxes for all sounds real good to me. No securing the border plan that will work.
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With the money that Bush has wasted on his senseless war to find weapons of mass destruction and fight terroism, Omama could have funded his Health Care plan, cut taxes and gave every Mexican in Mexico $30,000 to stay in Mexico. Being President of the USA ain’t that big a deal anymore!
You never gave your definition of a strong leader. You did raise caution on voting for a smooth talker with charisma! Well, I’m glad Martin Luther King said what he had to say before you came along, because he was one of the most charismatic, smooth talkers to ever walk the face of the planet. Him and Jesus were as smooth as Ray Allen and Paul Pierce in the fourth quarter!
What’s a strong leader? I think the choice is this: You either want someone who will spend Americas money on people and the environment or you want someone with special interest like George W. Esquire Bush! Obama is ready to shift the focus back to humans…not oil and Wall Street! You don’t have to be a genius to make those decisions! If Oprah can figure it out, surely Obama can!
And, another thing…: George isn’t spending OUR tax dollars…he’s spending our great-grandchildrens tax dollars! He has spent the future of four generations. And, don’t get me started on the service men and women who are coming home disabled from the war…who will need 100% subsistance for the rest of their lives.
Developing…!
130.
4REALZZZZZZ
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
To 102 and 106 FLOACIST (Yeah right) GG BOOBOO (in his clothes.) I dont give a flying saucer what you think or who you can’t stand. If you dont like my comment press the hell on. Like I said Obama is full of ish and just because he walked around the Ghetto of Chicago don’t mean nothing to me. When you run for president you walk around all the damn ghettos in every state. IL doesn’t over rule the delegates that will get his fake behind in office. If he is all about change like he says he is, why not reach out to every state not just CHI town…Oh I forgot because that’s what a politician does when he runs for president. He’s arrogant and wants power without the playbook. Waste your vote if you want… Obama is Kenyan/whatever the heck else, with a pretty face and a tounge sweet as honey that’s why he’s getting votes from needy over 40 women. If he were the color of Denzel without the half white thing going for him, he would not have gotten the attention he’s getting. I am tired of black folks feeling that you have to be mixed with something to achieve everything. That’s the problem with our people now. He is not real and like I said does not know the real struggle of a BLACK man…that is a 100% black man. So until he walks in the shoes of a black person with skin the sun of ripe raisin, hair nappy like wool and opportunities null and void when they seek employment to feed their family…I’m not trying to hear it. He needs to sit the hell down, he’s fake I can’t stand him…NEXT Hillary 08
131.
Meat
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
130. 4REALZZZZZZ said: “…He “Obama” is not real and like I said does not know the real struggle of a BLACK man…that is a 100% black man. So until he walks in the shoes of a black person with skin the sun of ripe raisin, hair nappy like wool and opportunities null and void when they seek employment to feed their family…”
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And, you think Hillary is closer to that discription? Does she know the struggle of a black man? And, has she walked in the shoes of a black person? How much are you getting paid by the Clinton campaign?
Obama can answer all those questions when he goes home at night and sees Michelle and his two daughters! Yes, he is walking in the shoes of a 100% black man, because his wife is a constant reminder! And, yes he knows how ripe the raisin is cause he’s been in it at least twice! hehe! And, from what I’ve seen from standing next to him and shaking his hand, his hair was nappier that my wool!
I don’t know what you have against Kenyans, but all the ones I’ve met are pretty cool! God! Family! Community! Government! And, what is all the talk about him having a tounge sweet as honey! They all talk ish! And, if anything, Obama is more intelect than rhetorical! If you want to hear rhetoric, go see Jesse or Al! Obama is more like the Kennedy’s…Boston exact!
Get over the “playbook” and “Danzel” $#!T! Nobody wants to hear your old 2007 ish! It’s 2008 and he took Iowa by storm! I actually think Hillary was relieved that she’s off the hook! hehe!
132.
km
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
“Meat”
You proved my point. The MSM sheeple are evident as spounted in your talkig points.
133.
Tizzy-T Whistlequeen
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
You guys are right about Hillary’s voice, it changes to fit her audience as I saw in the youtube clip, sort of like a tamer version of Paula Deen lmfao. She’s on the war path now, especially since she got handled in Iowa, and last time I checked she was more than 10% behind Obama in NH. I think a lot more antics will come from Hillary before the race is over.
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km
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Received this in an email regarding Obama…this is what I am saying about doing research. I went to the church website.
“Barack Hussein Obama claims membership at the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago
http://tucc.org/about.htm
Can you imagine the societal reaction if another church used phrases like, “White worship experience”? Or said, “We are a white people”? Or claimed to only have “ministries which address the WHITE community”? Or a “white value system”? And what’s more, would the media not spend every waking hour attacking a person running for President who was a member of such a racially exlusive church?
And since Barack is a member of that church, does he share that “non-negotiable commitment to Africa” or to the United States of America? ”
Do you know?
135.
Meat
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
@132 km,
Oh, I get it! I prove your point, but you’re too ashamed to say what it is! You tried to make many points…not just one! So, which one are you talking about? Because, the MSM has nothing to do with my views!
The was has cost trillions!
4000 lives have been lost! More that 911!
Obama can do no worst than Bush or Hillary!
David only had experience leading sheep when God called him!
God can use anyone!
Bush is for special interest!
Obama could have improved health care with all the money Bush has squandered!
Obama can do the same ish that Bill Clinton did!
Bill Clinton wasn’t the savior for black people.
You can stop me when you find a point you dare defend!
Now, let me give you my MSM.
It’s Morehouse School of Medicine! Not, the Mainstream Media! What happens in Washington DC the four years ain’t gonna deter me from my goals and acheivements.
So, I don’t buy into Hillary being our best bet! You think that the Republicans will win for sure if Obama gets the Democratic vote! Well, let’s see! They already have it screwed to the hilt! Let’s party with Obama for 18 months!
136.
YusefX
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
OBama and Hillary will REQUIRE you to buy healthinsurcance
FEDERALLY MANDATED
YOU WILL BE PENALIZED FOR NOT HAVING HEALTHINSURANCe.
JUST LIKE CAR INSURANCE.
Hillary and obama are frauds.
137.
TENI
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
KM: Who the hell cares! It is a known fact that the most segregated time of the day is Sunday morning at 11 o’clock. So he goes to a church of mostly Black people, what Black person doesn’t! Get a life, or a better life.
OBAMA 08….and I was screaming that in 06!
138.
gluvnast
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
Received this in an email regarding Obama…this is what I am saying about doing research. I went to the church website.
“Barack Hussein Obama claims membership at the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago
http://tucc.org/about.htm
Can you imagine the societal reaction if another church used phrases like, “White worship experience”? Or said, “We are a white people”? Or claimed to only have “ministries which address the WHITE community”? Or a “white value system”? And what’s more, would the media not spend every waking hour attacking a person running for President who was a member of such a racially exlusive church?
And since Barack is a member of that church, does he share that “non-negotiable commitment to Africa” or to the United States of America? ”
Do you know?
^^^^^^i presume you must be white, lol
139.
psulion
Monday, January 7, 2008 /
! Since you know nothing about him….how about he worked as a community organizer straight out of college….HELPING THE SAME AVERAGE BLACK PEOPLE IN THOSE SAME GHETTOS YOU SPOKE OF!!! Please educate yourself! Tell me, where have the Clintons gone “above and beyond?” I’m not impressed by their name, they haven’t done a thing for black people and they certainly didn’t make black people better off. So instead of riding them as much as you do…why don’t you actually take it upon yourself to actually read his book, visit his website, and then learn how to form an intelligent argument! This man can bring us together b/c he understands what it’s like to be raised by a single mother, he didn’t grow up in a rich family…he has family members who represent the colors of the rainbow so he understands not just the plight of black people but of all people. Do you really think someone running for president, especially an African American can actually become elected if they only speak about their alignment with black America and how down they are for the cause? Give me a break! He has to garner support from all walks of life. Not just one group can like him! I’m so frustrated by your lack of intelligence and common. It’s people like you who prevent this country from moving forward! We need someone who can bring us ALL together. Who cares about us ALL having a better future….who is a great listener and agent of change….along with inspiring in us to do, have, and demand better!
140.
yes
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
#12 just use the back arrow and it opens back up wit no problems
141.
yes
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
J.Dakar can u do an overview of all(or most) of the candidates and what they are about
142.
obama08
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
obama has great policies for a better and new change for america i personally believe that any democrate should be president as long as its not a republican they still on some bush ride or die type ish so OBAMA 08
143.
a3willia
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
I have been a lurker on this site for a year now - mostly for the music posts, but I have to say I’ve been impressed with the political posts. Congrats. It has folks talking, even saying crazy ish, but thanks to those of you who step up to correct. Just continue to attack the misinformation, not the person.
As for my own thoughts, well I see it like this:
Obama is going to take New Hampshire. Clinton is really going to come unglued. She alright broke down in tears today when the latest polls that she so values and studies showed that he was running 7-8% behind Obama in NH. Obama’s gonna have major momentum….right to Super Tuesday and the democratic nomination. I think he’s smart enough to realize that he can’t choose Clinton as his running mate (he’s already casting her as anti-change, so what would choosing her say about him?) I found it quite interesting that Edwards came to Obama’s defense during the debate when Clinton attacked Obama “You’re only attacking him now because he’s in the lead” was the quote if I recall correctly. Edwards has also been aligning himself to that ‘change’ message and is more believable IMO.
I see an Obama/Edwards ticket, or it’s going to be someone from outside of current politics. Someone upstream mentioned ‘Gore’ - that would be a good look for Obama. He was actually the people’s choice in 2000 winning the popular vote, but not the all important electoral college vote. He brings some tangible ‘experience’ as VP with him, and wasn’t as ‘tainted’ as some of these other folks.
I could be way off, but Obama seems to be appealing to a broad base a people on both sides of the aisle, which is what will be needed to win the actual election. More importantly, he’s appealing to the youth - I’m 34, but I’m talking 18 to 25 - and getting them to cast votes, thereby increasing the turnout (which is hurting Clinton - she doesn’t want lots of people coming out to vote because in most cases they aren’t voting for her, especially if they are young. Young folks have no allegiance to or memory of Bill Clinton, the coattails she’s trying to ride into office on.) I think NH is bracing for record turnout, just like Iowa.
I’m in Chicago and haven’t followed what Obama did on the state senate level here, but to watch what he’s doing nationally is amazing. People thought Douglas Wilder being elected governor in Virgina in 1990 was something (it was for the time), but who would have thought in their lifetime that they would see an almost exclusively white state send a message to the US that they felt a black man was the best choice to lead the United States of America?
Those of you not on the Obama train yet should be wondering after Tuesday night, “What do these white folks see and know that I don’t know?” - because New Hampshire is another predominately white state.
Even if Clinton can make a comeback, she has no shot at winning the presidency. She is a lightening rod, you either like or hate her. To win, she’d need a stronger base than that, and Obama is already exposing to the democratic party that she doesn’t have that, and he does. Besides, when Edwards drops out of the race, and he will, he’s going to endorse Obama - you can take that to the bank.
My TV will be tuned in for two things tomorrow - BET for Janet Jackson’s “Feedback” video debut on BET, and Obama’s win in New Hampshire - to see just how big it will be over Clinton.
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Cajiva (Cajun Godiva)
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
Right now our country is a hot mess, barely any other country wants anything to do with us. We don’t need change we need someone top fix this hot mess of a country. The Clinton’s are the better choice to do that. If Dubya didn’t mess up this country so badly maybe Obama and his “fresh idea’s” would be needed but they are not. I know Hillary can be polarizing at times but she is the best person that can get us out of this mess we are in, Barack cannot.
Also I’m from New Orleans and as most of you know we have a thick accent. When I’m at work or an a social setting I change my accent to try to fit everyone else’s but once I’m with my people the “baby” and “yes indeeds” come out in force lol. If I remember correctly Hillary was in Arkansas for most of her marraige to Bill, so who are we to say she didn’t pick up some of the southern twang. The black voice thing I’m not cool with, I never heard her use it so I can’t judge, but the country accent ya’ll gotta do better than that.
145.
YusefX
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
Cajiva
Barack and clinton voted to continue the war
clinton and obama voted WITH george bush many times.
patriot act 2
military commisions act
homegrown terrorist act
real ID act
OBama and Clinton should not even be considered as presidential choices
146.
Jaana
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
OBAMA IS TOTALLY ON POINT AND HE FOR SURE HAS GOT MY VOTE!!!
147.
Jaana
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
Hilary doesn’t give a flipp about you, she just wants your vote and will say anything to get it!
Did you know that the reason millions of people are incarcerated for crack cocaine three- strikes -you’re -out is because clinton signed the bill making it mandatory?
What about powder cocaine? That was o.k. with the clintons because it was used in very large quantities by rich whites so the clintons obviously were on a mission to do damage to the african american community—and they did because many of these same brother are probably infected with hiv, and thus deemed damaged goods.
All hillary wants is power–she cares only about power…. I really dislike dumb azz people who can only see white when considering a presidential candidate.
Dumb azz ni**as who are used to being mistreated and still wanting some more!!
Mental illness runs deep in the black community and for sure comes in many forms.
Honestly, all I can do is shake my head at those of you who will continue to support the same ‘ole B*ll Sh*t folks who never gave a damn about you and never will.
Hillary will however say whatever she must to get in where she fits in….
Be aware of hillary because she is a bush clone in disguise!!!
O B A M A FOR P R E S I D E N T
148.
velvetj
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
Clinton 08′
149.
velvetj
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
This thread is amazing. People are criticizing Hillary for changing her accent with black people, but Obama does the same thing. People are criticizing Hillary for voting for the war, but the only reason Obama didn’t vote for it was because he was not in the Senate. He never supported the war and said he wouldn’t fund it because it was morally wrong but got to Washington and voted in favor of the funding.
Hillary has been criticized for benefitting from lobbyists but Obama has done so as well. In fact, I wonder if he would deny lobbyist are actully working for him right now.
Plus, Hillary has said that knowing what she knows now, she would not have voted for the war. She VERY wisely has not apologized because the Republicans would have raked her over the coals for being a “flip flopper” and having bad judement.
Hillary is accused of saying or doing anything to get a vote but Obama has been doing the same thing.
I pray to God this is not going to turn out to be a “Emperor has no clothes” situation with Obama.
Go Hillary 08′
150.
marl
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 /
MEAT
So what about B.O’s church? Who is his allegiance to? How do we really know?
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