@ ANGEL_MINDED,

You haven’t read the comments but you’re sure what they say. That real smart sweetie, pat yourself on the back

An Open letter to BET Founder Bob Johnson January 15, 2008

Dear Bob,
The comments you in made in your attack against Sen. Obama this past
Sunday at a South Carolina church before you introduced Sen. Hillary
Clinton demonstrates that it doesn’t matter how much money you have,
money cannot buy class or dignity.

Bob, while you were shucking, grinning and jiving in front of the
Clintons, are you that stupid that you didn’t care that you came across as a
bootlicking Uncle Tom? Your attack on Sen. Obama continues to prove how ruthless
you continue to be.

In your own words which I will now quote you: “As an African American,
I am frankly insulted the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that
we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally
involved in black issues” when Barack Obama was doing something in the
neighborhood; I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in his book” when
they have been involved,” Johnson said.

We all know that Sen. Obama wrote about his teenage drug use with marijuana,
and alcohol in his memoir ‘Dreams from My Father.’ That’s old news. Bob, for you
to attack Sen. Obama’s character shows what a coon you really are. Bob, you are
the founder of BET which is the laughing stock of African Americans who care
about positive images. Yes, you are successful as a capitalist but a complete failure in
having any morals and any help whatsoever towards supporting your own race.

The fact that Sen. Clinton or anyone would want or accept your
endorsement is appalling and for me calls their basic character, let alone
judgment, into question. Over the last 25 years you and BET have done more to
propagate some of the most harmful, destructive, and degradation of African Americans
in the history of popular culture.

The booty shaking videos, misogyny, gangsterism, violence, alcohol and
drug use you allowed to air on BET on your way to becoming a billionaire was all
done for the love of money. And now YOU want to take cheap shots at Sen. Obama?

I am constantly amazed at how you are allowed to speak and move in decent
society. But, I guess in your case, money triumphs morals. After seeing you put
on your best Stephen Fetchit routine this Sunday in front of Sen. Clinton as she sat back
and enjoyed campaigning with you, I can understanding a lot better why our country,
black, white, latino, and others are supporting and calling for Sen. Obama and change!

Signed,
Najee Ali Founder
Executive Director
Project Islamic HOPE

@ 76

When I wrote my comment on #58 I had not read any of the prior comments…b/c I already know what ignorance sounds like…and thanks for the shout out, I’ll be sure to pat myself on the back now…

velvetj
Monday, January 28, 2008
Something else that I found interesting is, Obama almost gloats about “Change” and “New” ways of doing things, yet he actually COURTS and now relishes in an endorsement by one of the oldest people in Congress, Ted Kennedy. Yeah, he wants to get rid of the “Old ways” yet seeks out Kennedy’s support?

And those placing so much in Caroline Kennedy’s words, have the nerve to criticize the Clinton’s for trying to win at any cost, yet will not mention the ABSOLUTE SHAMELESS DIRTY TRICKS used by her grandfather to get her father elected.

And like someone else mentioned, Clinton received the endorsement of 3 other Kennedy’s , yet that is hardly mentioned by the biased media.
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now that’s pure hate!

I don’t want (or mean to) misrepresent.
I didn’t write that letter (comment # 77)

Najee Ali wrote it

More about Najee Ali

Project Islamic H.O.P.E, is a 501 C3 Non-profit national civil rights organization that works collectively with other ethnic and religious groups to stand on the frontlines in the war against poverty, hunger and social injustice. The H.O.P.E. is an acronym that stands for Helping Oppressed People Everywhere. Most people have heard of Project Hope because of their controversial and outspoken Founder and Co-Director Najee Ali.

Ali is a former convict and ex-Crip gang member from South Central L.A. Ali changed his life around in prison after becoming a Muslim. He was inspired to start Project Hope after watching the news and hearing that NBA star, Latrell Sprewell had choked his coach, PJ Carlesiimo. Ali didn’t think that the NBA handed out a stiff enough penalty and this confirmed his belief that stars get special treatment in this society. http://www.projectislamichope.org/NewsClips.asp

Fast forward 6 years to today and the Men’s support Group; Civil Rights Advocacy organization has chapters in Georgia and Chicago. http://www.projectislamichope.org

# 68 ANGEL_MINDED, oh we get it. You’re calling a grown man a rookie wet behind the ears because you lack the ability to raise a nuclear family. Ok buddy. And for your information, I am black and was outraged at Clinton’s foreign policy during his second term. You’re way ahead of yourself in your presumptions. Your sound like a brain-dead self hater.

@ 81

So I’m a self hater b/c I acknowledge the faults of a black man? Hmmm..WOW, now I think I’m OUTRAGED…lol!

Raising a nuclear family? LOL - I’m sorry am I missing the joke?

Lol, the point is, is that Bill had a high approval rating amongnst blacks which is why he was referred to as the first black president. Now you say you didn’t approve of Clinton, his second term? I sincerly doubt that…but whatever…:)

Black people are so ignorant, which is why the media can easily manipulate you into doing exactly what they want. As soon as the media headline read, ‘Clinton Attacks Obama,’ or ‘Clinton Bashes MLK,’ black folks go on the defense instead of thinking for themselves.

Why Obama Won South Carolina
Increased Turnout Among Young And New Voters, Desire For Change Fueled Obama’s Victory

http://www.cbsnews.com/st...olitics/main3757059.shtml

Angel_minded and Velvet J I’m with you, there black people are not reading between the lines. First of all @ LOL, I DON’T LIVE IN THE CLOUDS or LIVE IN DREAMS, I LIVE IN REALITY. You can talk all day about “change” and “New Era” but what exactly is your change?? I have nothing against Barack. I agree with someone, he is very enthusiastic and inspirational, but I need know what are you going to do exactly. He is in over his head. Velvet J you are not the first to say how the media is manipulating everything. even though I am watching the news on cnn now and one of Obama’s main supporters was arrested for conspricary and some other stuff HMMMMM?? But overall they are trying their best to sling mud on the Clintons, but everything they are doing Obama is al well as you have said. To put it bluntly, the Republicans don’t want none of HIllary, they know she will mop the floor with them. They want Obama to get the nomination to secure an easy win the election in november. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, all of them are a lot of conservative Republicans and I think a lot of you on this board and other blacks need to look at that. And like I said before, the Latino vote is being forgotten. And who do you guys think they are going to vote for??

This process is very entertaining and I think that both Obama and Hillary Clinton should be given late Academy Award consideration. I notice that the Republican electoral process is not receiving a fraction of the media attention of the “democratic” one, and it seems that there is an intent to create a 3-ring circus atmosphere around the “democratic” proceedings. I just find it strange that the Clintons have gone from the first “honorary black family” in the White House to opportunistic thieves, lol. Either they were always opportunistic thieves or they’re still the “first honorary black family”. Where’s the loyalty from all the black people that stood and cheered when Bill Clinton came to Harlem? The reason why Obama is receiving so much “posititve media attention”, in my opinion, is because he’s being set up to look like a viable foil to the powers that be’s anointed, Hillary Clinton. The white man loves drama, and these are dramatic times. The 2008 election must be as dramatic and theatrical as can be conjured so that the passions of the people can be stirred and that energy can be translated into some sort of nationalistic fervor or patriotism. I love when black people speak about America and the dictates of the U.S. government and use the term “we”, lol, as if Bush’s (or any other president’s) policies are going to be affected by what black people want. Lastly, I’ve never understood black people that assert that you are a “crab in a barrel black” if you do not vote for Obama. That has to be explained because, to me, either you’re voting for the “best candidate” or you’re not. There is no room for racial allegiance and voting based on race in the American electoral process( allegedly). In my opinion when you cast your vote and put all your hope and faith in a “candidate” to assist you, you are an American, devoid of color, lineage, language, etc. This is how one knows that black people don’t know what the hell they want or why they want it. There’s more consistency in the outright house negro coon that believes that “color doesn’t matter” than alot of these quasi/pseudo/”pro-black” negroes that want to force their vain idealism on everyone else.

@ 84 & 85

Cosign completely!!!! Thank-you!

People are asking “What does Barack Obama Stand for”

well, hopefully this website can answer some of your questions:

“The Blueprint for Change”
“Obama’s Plan for America”

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Go OBAMA ‘08! The Kennedy endorsements were very poignant. Only time will tell how much effect they will have, but it’s undeniable that Ted Kennedy has deep connections with the Hispanic community. Further, today a very prominent California latino endorsed Obama as well. This is not minor. These are valuable *connections* (read: money, influence, perspective) that are lining up for Obama.

There is nothing wrong with an inspiring candidate, and it is humorous when people like to diminish that dimension of a person’s personality. The fact is that people vote with their hearts as much as with their heads. That is how politicians have been elected for hundreds of years. Otherwise, there is no damn way that Bush would have been re-elected (and he barely was elected in the first place). It’s just that this time there is a viable candidate that can appeal to the emotions as well as the mind.

Hillary Clinton has no more hard-core experience than Barack Obama does. That is just a myth. She is no more “ready to hit the ground running” than is Barack Obama. That is just a myth. The wheels of policy and governance keep running in this country no matter who is the president, because it was SET UP THAT WAY by the founding documents of this country. That is why we can basically stop everything and have a peaceful election for the leader of this nation every four years. That is rare in the world.

Barack did EXCELLENTLY in South Carolina when one breaks down the demographics — among blacks, men, women, and young people. I am of the opinion that most of the people who voted for Edwards (white men) would have voted for Obama, as that has been the trend during the primaries — then his margin of victory would have been even greater.

Shame on the people downplaying the role of inspiration — when you get people who never bothered to vote before to the polls, you are doing something right. It means people are waking up and deciding to become involved in the process. This is a rare quality and should be commended, not diminished.

O-B-A-M-A ‘08 !!!!!!!!!!

Clearminded, once again inspiration is one thing, but tell me what is going to go along, what is his plan. And also, he has two Kennedy’s endorsing him and Hillary has 3 (Bobby, Kathleen and Kerry). The media keeps play up his endorsements, but don’t want to me mention Hillary’s. I just read where Toni Morrison is endorsing Obama, but the media failed to mention that Maya Angelou is endorsing Hillary. Hillary also has the NY Times, which is huge, but it’s barely been mentioned.

People have told you throughout the thread to read the man’s plan at his website. What do you want? To be spoon-fed? Do the research! This is 2008. You can find out anything you want to find out. It’s merely a few clicks away in cyberspace.

Hello, I am 96 years old and my grandson is typing this for me. To you young people who have not seen what I have seen or heard all I have heard, I will say yes I am voting or Mr.Obama and I am voting for him because I know the will of God and the word of God.
If you think that I am some crazy old woman then I am not I was a music teacher in the public school system in New York for 46 years and taught piano in my home for 28 years,when I was 56 years of age I earned my PHD in theology.
The Clintons will not be moving back into the white house.
You see young people, there is a God and He is a perfect God and a God of integrity, he never causes division and He never judges us or looks at us based on our sex or race and anyone who does so is not of God.
As far as Mr.Obama goes and his experience and what he knows I do know this one thing he knows the Lord and how to pray and hear from the Lord who is all knowing and for me that is saying volumes about his character.
I voted for the Clintons twice and during their last time in office I was ashamed for this country and he and his wife disgraced the office God had placed them in to up hold and they continually lied to us the people until the republicans put their backs against the wall.
I have had my grandson read these comments to me and most of you young folks seem wiser and smarter than God and yes many people may vote for the Clintons because the god of the world has blinded the minds of many people and the blind leads the blind and they both will fall in the ditch.
I have prayed and I have heard from the Lord and I will be voting for Senator Obama because I acknowledeg the Lord in my decision and I have a peace that surpasses all understanding about this decision and when I lay my head down I know that no ones blood will be upon my hands for following anyone but the Lord.
God bless the young people out their who know how to pray and fear God and who are walking with integrity and character.
The real truth is many of the whites who are making comments are simple against Mr. Obama because he is black…I been living long enough to smell prejudice and bigotry that is the whole problem in a nutshell and somebody needs to tell the truth he is treading on territory you have always control and you hate his “audacity” it is not he can’t do the job, that is not even the real issue!!!!!
This country is still racist as it ever was and you use all this other stuff to conceal it!!!!

I was a little young when Bill Clinton was in office but the only reason I heard people call him the “first black president” was because he smoke some weed and got some head in the white house, is that what every black person dose?

I keep hearing people say Hillary/Bill have done so much for the black community yet when I ask what, they can’t elaborate. People died so we (african americans) can have the right to vote, and people should vote for whomever they choose but again I ask what has Hillary done that Barack can’t or hasn’t?

For the people with children if your son or daughter told you they wanted to be president what do or will you tell them

I’m loved Obama’s speech in SC– he showed that he can stand up to Billary and their under handed tactics. He does have to find a middle ground b/c those two are absolutely classless and will try to pull him down to their level.
It was interesting listening to many of the pundits on CNN and MSNBC this weekend. I think they hit the nail on the head–when they said that Bill is trying to corner Obama to being ‘just the black candidate’ hence the comparisons to Jesse and SC. By doing this they are trying to make the white males uncomfortable with him and he’ll only get the black votes moving forward.
These Clintons are right in the gutter with some of these republicans with their dirty politics.

What’s also interesting is the Hispanic votes this year. They seem to be leaning heavily to the Clintons.

Cosign w/ #89

The media is biased, and they clearly favor Obama…

Ted boiling over Bubba
Reports: Kennedy clan rift over racial attacks on Obama

http://www.bostonherald.c...leid=1069441&srvc=rss

The Clintons didn’t make race an issue…the media did. Don’t feed into the propaganda

@ 92 -

I’m gonna tell you exactly what the Obama supporters have told me, which is to go their websites and read up on their accomplishment. I already know what Hilary’s done, but clearly, that’s not good enough for black folks.

I think you should read Judah’s comment:

I love when black people speak about America and the dictates of the U.S. government and use the term “we”, lol, as if Bush’s (or any other president’s) policies are going to be affected by what black people want

I’ve never understood black people that assert that you are a “crab in a barrel black” if you do not vote for Obama. That has to be explained because, to me, either you’re voting for the “best candidate” or you’re not. There is no room for racial allegiance and voting based on race in the American electoral process( allegedly). In my opinion when you cast your vote and put all your hope and faith in a “candidate” to assist you, you are an American, devoid of color, lineage, language, etc. This is how one knows that black people don’t know what the hell they want or why they want it.

Exactly, #92 — what can Hillary do that Barack can’t? Barack has ALREADY shown superior decision-making skills by not voting for the war that Hillary *did* vote for. He did so even when the vast majority of politicians were voting the exact opposite. Is that not courage? Is that not leadership? This war has not only had ramifications in lives lost, but also is pulling our economy down and is destroying our standing in the world.

For all Hillary’s “experience” — she still voted for this fiasco while Barack didn’t. Why? Because she didn’t have the foresight? Don’t downplay it. It is what it is. What good is it to claim all your husband’s years in the White House as yours but yet you don’t have the vision to make the right decision regarding the most pivotal events in our nation’s history over the past 10 years?!?!

Perhaps Barack is just that much smarter, wiser, and more visionary than Hillary Clinton. And perhaps people that are voting for him recognize that!

O-B-A-M-A 08 !!!!!!

Caroline Kennedy is speaking now at the Obana rally!!!!

Sen. Kennedy now speaking. This is truly a MOMENT. Woo-hoooooo!

I have read what you have said , and I too am an older American and it seems the people who are speaking of this so called experience of the Clintons have no sense of what integrity is and character and from all of my observation of the Clintons they seem to be corrupt.
By the way young people I don’t know what kind of homes you grew up in or your family values but integrity is a really BIG thing with God. You see He will give you all the wisdom the get any job done he calls you do do but integrity comes from a heart which is right that is why he says he looks at the heart not experience…experience has corrupted the Clintons and show them how tolie and manipulate and use people just for votes.
I am voting for Senator Obama, cannot with a clear conscience vote for the Clintons ever again.

I am not mad at Teddy on Barack. Every word he is saying is well-chosen and effective. He called him a man of leadership and character and the man of the hour for this time in history. I am not mad, Teddy.

You know something else people aren’t realizing angel_minded, Obama has a lot of work this week in preparation for Super Tuesday. South Carolina is over and done with and in the books. He has a serious challenge come next week. Like # 93 said and I been saying in the post repeatedly the Hispanic vote is overwhelmingly on Hillary’s side. Black people alone can’t get him the nomination, and most of these Hispanics are not voting for him and she will win California and New York (just to name a few) which will put her in a great position. Super Tuesday is going to make or break Obama. He better be on it come this Thursday.

Somebody tell this negro behind Teddy to get off his cell phone. Damn! LOL….

@ 98

Umm…what decision making skills? It’s a fact that Obama voted to fund the war, another issue that was mysteriously swept under the rug by the media. Hilary has even said in the debates that you have to go by Obama’s voting record and ever since the war has begun he has been voting to fund the war. And most of the time, he doesn’t vote @ all. Which to me speaks volumes!

#105. Don’t try to spin it, LOL! You know, just like Ted Kennedy is saying right now, that Barack Obama voted AGAINST THIS BLASTED IRAQ WAR when it was easier and less courageous to vote for it.

Voting for *funding* of the war, once it was ALREADY STARTED only makes sense. It’s like caring for an unplanned baby once it’s born. You make the best of the situation. You don’t starve the baby once it’s born, because it’s hear now.

Don’t spin it…that’s Hillary’s job! LOL.

The fact is that Barack did show superior decision-making skills in that situation. He showed better character, leadership and wisdom than did Hillary Clinton.

Don’t spin it…LOL!

@ 98

And furthermore, let’s not forget that Bush lied about certain ‘facts’ that put us to war. Hilary was voting on the info that she was given at that time. Just because Obama voted against the war doesn’t make him smart…it makes him lucky! And in all honestly the fact that he didn’t want to go to war makes me a little nervous too. I mean what should happen if another country does have weapons of mass destruction, will he try to serenade them w/ a kumbiya speech? These are freaking terrorists! They don’t wanna hear nothing bout no peace and unity…see this why I have strong reservations against Obama

Quote from the Washington Post, after Barack Obama announced his campaign for Presidency
http://www.washingtonpost...2/10/AR2007021001544.html

“Obama’s sharpest difference with both Clinton and Edwards is his early opposition to the Iraq war; they voted for the 2002 resolution authorizing President Bush to invade Iraq. Edwards has since apologized for his vote, and Clinton has said she would not have voted that way had she known then what she knows now.
But Obama can point to remarks he made in the fall of 2002 in which he not only called the war “dumb” but also predicted the dangers of the long occupation that followed the successful invasion. In his announcement speech, he described the war as a “tragic mistake.”

*here* (not hear) now.

Ted is hitting on all the right points: Barack is ready to govern from Day One! All that Hillary is saying is nonsense. She’s no more prepared than Barack.

I’m sorry but Hilary is a SOLDIER!!! Cannot wait til primaries are over and Hilary wins the democratic nomination…kewl! Feb 5 ain’t getting here soon enough!

I’m sorry but do we really want Bill Clinton back in the white house for another four years? Obama all the way!!!

CTHU @ “lucky, not smart” LOL…..you ain’t gots to lie Craig! Just as salty as Lawry’s that Obama was smarter, more visionary and more COURAGEOUS than Hillary.

@ BILL — thanks for posting that NYT piece.

OBAMA is speaking now. Woohoooooooo!!!!!!!!

SMDH @ “lucky, not smart” — what a pity. Can’t even give this courageous, intelligent man his props. Poor haters. LOL!

Clearminded said:

@ BILL — thanks for posting that NYT piece.

Bill Said:

I got your back.
You continue to preach.
I cosisgn what your saying 101%

I’ll cut & paste the facts when I see you need some more ammo
I got your back

#114. @ BILL — High Five!

Haters never prosper. No matter the outcome of this primary or the general election, I’m going to enjoy every moment of supporting Barack Obama and I hope he is our next President.

However, even if he never wins another thing, he’s ALREADY defying the odds. They have tried to tear this man down every which way and he’s still standing.

Obama is KILLING this speech.

@ 97.

ANGEL_MINDED

I went to her website and I honestly wasn’t all that blown away so I thought I missed something. Yea she did some stuff but not nearly as much as much as people make it out to be ( she and her husband don’t get extra points for doing something they are suppose to do, I mean afterall we built this country and they treat us like crap that’s the least she could of done) . And when I listened to those people from Harlem they said they were upset, eveicted and out of money when Hillary put her offices there. They were saying their business were puched out to make room for her freinds and that the rent went up so much they couldn’t afford the rent.

Angel Minded let’s just wait until the super Tuesday when Barack will look stupid, we don’t have to say no more!

In my opinion, I think Hilary is defying the odds. In every news stand, all you read are all these negative comments about Hilary. Everything from, ‘Can Hilary Cry her way back to the White House,’ ‘Clinton is a Racist,’ ‘Clinton Attacks Obama,’ ‘Clinton Attacks MLK,’ smdh. She has had to endure all of this! I honestly, have no sympathy for Obama. This entire election has pretty much been a cake walk for him. Someone even mentioned how one magazine had a picture of Obama w/ a halo around his head…dayum shame! The inaccurate/twisted news coverage of Hilary is upsetting to say the least!

yes, he is finally off, get to hillary, thank you!

LMAO off #117!!!

I know!!!!! I can’t wait! I’m soo sick of this bullshyt!

105.

ANGEL_MINDED
Monday, January 28, 2008
@ 98

Umm…what decision making skills? It’s a fact that Obama voted to fund the war, another issue that was mysteriously swept under the rug by the media. Hilary has even said in the debates that you have to go by Obama’s voting record and ever since the war has begun he has been voting to fund the war. And most of the time, he doesn’t vote @ all. Which to me speaks volumes!

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Why not fund the war? Somebody’s brother,sister, uncle, husband and son is over there fighting shouln’t they have the access to the equipment and money they need to try and stay alive.

Just because he fund the war dosn’t mean he was for it. He couldn’t stop them from going.

Oh angel minded, they just showed where Hillary is winning in the delegate count, even though some said Obama was, 230-152.

@ 121 -

If you feel like Hilary isn’t good enough, or doesn’t share your ideas for this country. Then by all means don’t vote for her! I’m not on this site to advocate or sway you to vote for one over the other. I simply stated my opinion, and corrected the untruths/inaccurantcies of other posters. But truthfully, I think you were against Hilary to begin w/ otherwise you would have a better understanding of why I, as well as others, have chosen to vote and support her.

Well, good luck on whoever you choose to vote for!

@ 122 - Excellent!

@118 — you ain’t gots to lie craig — quit distorting and exaggerating…lol! “Cake walk”??? Lawd! You sound like Hillary with all her slippery-ness.

The fact is that Billary is reaping the harvest of their own seeds of division and dishonesty. It was all laid out today in Ted’s speech. He laid out every single point and did it masterfully.

The Clintons have a long history of corruption and if your wish does come true and she is the Democratic nominee in the fall, trust she will never be elected President. She will be cremated by the Republicans.

Many people who would have voted Democratic no matter what in 08 are now changing and are saying “anybody but Hillary” — and Billary have no one to blame other than themselves.

And I’m laughing that the people who are minimizing the black vote while maximizing the Hispanic vote. *Both* sectors are vitally important. Oh the hypocrisy in saying the hispanics will go overwhelmingly to Clinton while downing black people for overwhelmingly backing Obama. Haters….lol!

123.

ANGEL_MINDED
Monday, January 28, 2008
@ 121 -

If you feel like Hilary isn’t good enough, or doesn’t share your ideas for this country. Then by all means don’t vote for her! I’m not on this site to advocate or sway you to vote for one over the other. I simply stated my opinion, and corrected the untruths/inaccurantcies of other posters. But truthfully, I think you were against Hilary to begin w/ otherwise you would have a better understanding of why I, as well as others, have chosen to vote and support her.

Well, good luck on whoever you choose to vote for!

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I was never agianst Hillary she actually was going to be my second choice before the recent events took place, but I wish you the same with your vote as well.

Have a good day/evening depending on where you are.

#123. Oh please. I stated *my* opinions and corrected what *I* felt were inaccuracies. You haven’t done anything special here, and you came in with condescenion and insults dripping from your fingertips. That’s plain to see just by reading the thread from the beginning. You ain’t gots to lie, Craig…lol. And your opinion is no more valuable than mine nor the other people who want to support Obama.

@ 125

Now see the funny thing about white people, is, is that they will yell ‘OBAMA ‘08 and then behind closed doors…it’s anything other than black…lol!

Obama was able to use his charm to capture the votes of the latest caucases but let’s see if he’ll be able to sway 52 states come Feb 5.

I’m just gonna leave it @ that…but I’m gonna try to remember your screen name so that I can be sure you let me know your thoughts and theories behind why Hilary will win the nomination…good day!

“Black folks” this and “white folks” that…. that’s what it degenerates into…LOL!

#129, and let me guess all of this “Black foks” and “White folks” stuff is strickly because of the Clinton’s right?

The Clintons have a long history of corruption and if your wish does come true and she is the Democratic nominee in the fall, trust she will never be elected President. She will be cremated by the Republicans.

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Tsk, Tsk, no darling that’ll happen if (and I do mean a big IF) Obama is elected. LOL - you got it backwards!

@130 — I was referring to Angel_Minded’s constant “black folks” this and “white folks” that throughout this thread. She has repeatedly made blanket statements about what black folks are: too stupid to make decisions for themselves and what white folks do: say black and then vote white.

Puzzlingly, she has said this while supporting a white candidate who is rightfully coming under fire for using under-handed racist tactics. And it’s even more confusing that she’s putting black people and white people into boxes when you have white people supporting Barack Obama and you have black people supporting Hillary Clinton….LOL!

“…while supporting a white candidate who is rightfully coming under fire for using under-handed racist tactics…”

An example of an inaccurancy…

^Nothing inaccurate about it.

Just as there was nothing inaccurate about Bill Clinton’s throwaway comment comparing Obama’s win to Jesse Jackson also winning South Carolina. It is dismissive and divisive. He thought he was slick, but actually it was blatant and obvious.

Despite your claims that black people are stupid, we are not, and neither are the white people who took offense to Billary’s underhanded divisive tactics over the past few weeks.

CLEARMINDED said:

@130 — I was referring to Angel_Minded’s constant “black folks” this and “white folks” that throughout this thread. She has repeatedly made blanket statements about what black folks are: too stupid to make decisions for themselves and what white folks do: say black and then vote white.

Bill Said:

Thank you for saying that clearminded.

I now see that I wasn’t the only person that was offended by Angel_Minded condescending remarks about Black People

It as if she (angel_minded) believes that the only reason why black people like Barack Obama is because he’s black.

That’s being a tad bit presumptuous, and quite frankly insulting.
Most of us have researched their candidate, much like you have obviously done.

To insult the intelligence, ethnicity & belief of the commentators on concrete loop is no way to win friends or influence people that your position is valid.

You may or may not have some valid points angel_minded, but they way you are presenting those points are immature.

I’m not trying to start a fight with you angel_minded. You seem like a very intelligent young lady, and your quite passionate about your viewpoints ( I admire that trait, Passion is a good thing to have)

I’m just stating that there are certain rules to a debate, and there is a decorum…….

Your opinion could be very valid…..
and your welcome to them, but do your REALLY have to put down a person’s intelligence because they don’t agree with you ?

Just asking
Peace

@ 134 & 135

Perhaps I was a bit aggressive in my comments towards ’some blacks,’ but the truth is, that everytime I try to say something positive about Hilary, I always receive some ‘crabs in a barel, comment or I’m a slave to massa. I may have been too presumptious w/ some of comments.

Like I said, I have no problem w/ Obama and if he’s the better candidate in YOUR eyes then…that’s wonderful.

@135, BILL — what an awesome post. I agree 101%. Couldn’t agree more!

@134

That’s interesting. Did Bill Clinton compare Obama’s victory in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s, lol? I must have missed that.

@136 — Cool. I hear you.

@138. Yeah, he said it, LOL. I was going to post an article, but those may include people’s opinions. So here is a YouTube clip. (Hope this works.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqd2dfjl2pw

CLEARMINDED said:

Just as there was nothing inaccurate about Bill Clinton’s throwaway comment comparing Obama’s win to Jesse Jackson also winning South Carolina. It is dismissive and divisive. He thought he was slick, but actually it was blatant and obvious.

Bill Said:

Judah had asked me last week why I switched my support from Hilary Clinton to Barack Obama

What clearminded just said crystallizes my feelings for Hilary Clinton lately.

The Clinton’s (Bill & Hilliary) act as if they are entitled to the Black Vote.

They act as if Black Folks should vote for Hilary because Bill was “Our First Black President”.

Well that was eight years ago.
& time have changed…….

If Bill was running (or if he could run) maybe we would vote for him again
but
Black people are more intelligent than the Clinton’s care to believe.

Just because Hillary Clinton shows up in a black church, and starts to speak with a southern Negro dialect, that is suppose to impress me.

Just because Bill Clinton has a office in Harlem, and plays the sax, I’m suppose to be besides myself.

If I saw Bill or Hillary Clinton on the street today, “What have YOU done for me lately”

I really have not witness Hillary Clinton championing the Black Man or Black Woman’s issues.

I have not heard her speak about thing that affect MY community.

She a nice enough person,

She was a Wonderful First Lady (is there a job description for being First Lady ??)
She’s a okay senator.

It’s just that LATELY she is so damm arrogant, and Bill Clinton has completely lost his mind.

What they are doing is alienating the Black People they were considering voting for THEM (her) in the first place.

I am so insulted by Hillary Clinton’s Campaign tactics, that even if Barack Obama loses the democratic nomination, I would rather vote republican than see Hillary Clinton in office.

If you read the various new reports (I google at least 10 different newspaper a day) you will see that most of the country has a strong dislike for Hillary Clinton because of her arrogance & and the fact that she keeps speaking about this so called experience. (definition “Entitlement”)

Yeah..That’s a perfect word to describe Hillary Clinton. She feels that she is Entitled to the Presidency because her husband WAS president 8 years ago.

She DOES experience as a First Lady & a senator.
She’s never been president.
She wasn’t the one sitting in the oval office.

None of the OTHER candidate (Democratic or Republican) have this so called experience as President, that she is going around gloating about.

See what I mean. She’s just arrogant

Peace

136.

ANGEL_MINDED said:

@ 134 & 135

Perhaps I was a bit aggressive in my comments towards ’some blacks,’ but the truth is, that everytime I try to say something positive about Hilary, I always receive some ‘crabs in a barel, comment or I’m a slave to massa. I may have been too presumptious w/ some of comments.

Bill Said:

Thank you for saying that, my sister.
I respect you and your right to your opinion.
I may not agree with you, but I do think your intelligence is very attractive
* I love to her a Black Woman Fuss

I respect you angel_Minded.
me & you are cool

Peace
bill

What does Mexicans and other non-black minorities have against Obama? Are these people of color afraid that Blacks will be favored over them if he wins? He gets no support from our Chicano brothers and sisters! Tisk, Tisk, after we’ve done so much for them!

@ 142

Yeah we’re cool!

ANGEL_MINDED
@ 142

Yeah we’re cool!

Bill Said:

Good.
I’m glad…
don’t be so mean girl !

Your prettier when you smile

@Bill

I don’t believe that calling many black people out on their reasoning behind their allegiance to Obama is wrong in the least. We have to call out our own people as much as possible because when we don’t do it, the white man calls our people out in his slanted judicial and penal systems. Whether black people want to understand this, believe this, or not, America is a caucasian country and if there was sincere concern about our people, it wouldn’t have to come down to a political candidate in 2008 to give hope to America, much less black people. Any candidate; much less a black candidate, must serve and appeal to the controlling demographic, so by that reasoning, it does make sense to wonder why black people would be so gung ho for a candidate that has been put forth by the establishment. I’m not saying to not vote if one sincerely feels as if that is the way to go. To each his own. All I’m saying is that, based off precedent, there’s no reason to believe that this man will prove any different from any other candidate, white or black, to be put forth if he were to win the election. If the disagreement is over “the issues” then so be it, but the Obama supporters are just as guilty of yelling “Coon!” or “Crab in a barrel!” (with no understanding) as the Hillary supporters are of claiming that the Obama supporters support him strictly due to race.

No disrespect to any brothers or sisters, but every candidate has a series of platforms and a belief system that they allege to stand for. That’s the point of idealism. I could do some research and direct someone to a link associated with George Bush Jr. with bullet points that will claim that he will clean up America but we all know that there is a difference between the campaign and the execution once power is achieved. Directing someone to a link that claims to detail Obama’s politics does nothing and serves nothing. I think that Obama’s voting record speaks volumes on his fear of making hard decisions in lieu of his run for the presidency. I believe that he was hoping that a record of non-commitment would look better than yes or no votes that would reveal his true allegiances. He must play the role until it’s time for the rug to be pulled out from under his supporters. Believe me, those Clintons are the sneakiest bastards on two feet and if anyone thinks that they don’t have 5 or 6 tricks to pull out of their bag on Obama, think again.

correction ( I hate misspelled words or incomplete thoughts)

Judah had asked me last week why I switched my support from Hilary Clinton to Barack Obama

What clearminded said earlier crystallizes my feelings for Hilary Clinton lately.

The Clinton’s (Bill & Hilliary) act as if they are entitled to the Black Vote.

They act as if Black Folks should vote for Hilary because Bill was “Our First Black President”.

Well that was eight years ago.
& times have changed…….

If Bill was running (or if he could run) maybe we would vote for him again
but
Black people are more intelligent than the Clinton’s care to believe.

Just because Hillary Clinton shows up in a black church, and starts to speak with a southern Negro dialect, am I supposed to be impressed ?

Just because Bill Clinton has a office in Harlem, and plays the sax, I’m suppose to be besides myself, or believe that he is down with the brothers ?

If I saw Bill or Hillary Clinton on the street today, I would ask them
“What have YOU done for me lately”

I really have not witnessed Hillary Clinton championing the Black Man or Black Woman’s causes/issues.

I have not heard her speak about thing that affect MY community.
The Black Community
How am I to be certain that she has my best interst in mind ?

She a nice enough person,

She was a Wonderful First Lady (is there really a job description for being First Lady ??)

She’s was a okay senator.
She’s passionate enough about her beliefs

It’s just that LATELY she is so damm arrogant lately,
and Bill Clinton has completely lost his freaking mind.

What they are doing is alienating the Black People they WERE
considering voting for THEM (her) in the first place.

I am so insulted by Hillary Clinton’s Campaign tactics, that even if Barack Obama loses the democratic nomination, I would rather vote republican than see Hillary Clinton in office.

If you read the various new reports (I google at least 10 different newspaper a day) you will see that most of the country has a strong dislike for Hillary Clinton because of her arrogance & and the fact that she keeps speaking about this so called experience. (definition “Entitlement”)

Yeah….
That’s a perfect word to describe Hillary Clinton.
She feels that she is Entitled to the Presidency because her husband WAS president 8 years ago.

She DOES have experience as a First Lady & a senator.
BUT
She’s never been president.
& She wasn’t the one sitting in the oval office.

None of the OTHER candidate (Democratic or Republican)
have this so called experience as President, that she keeps going around gloating about.

See what I mean. She’s just arrogant

Peace

@141. Another great post, BILL. Although some may think that all black people are some mindless monolith, the fact is that Billary had lots of black support until their entitlement came to the surface and turned people (black and white) off. I definitely do not believe that Billary are hard-core racists — rather I believe they were operating from a subtle prejudice that thinks black people are simple-minded and easily controlled by white people. It is intangible and somewhat inexplicable, but you know it when you feel it.

The Clintons have been treated as rock stars in the black community for so long that I think they felt they had us in their back pocket. I don’t want to go further on the point because I could talk about it all day, LOL.

Like you, I was all ready to vote for whoever won the Democratic nomination, but I can honestly say now that I cannot cast my vote for Billary. I see a lot of ugliness and manipulation and I can’t go for it.

@ 146

I have to say that I both love and admire your stance on the issue!!! Great points…

@145

It’s funny you mentioned that b/c I do have a really great smile!

@146 — so I take it you’re not voting in this election? All you’ve detailed is a good reason to abstain (or write in a candidate), I guess.