@ 72. Exactly. She is proposing socialism, like you said, and that will never ever work in the US. Someone earlier said that they would gladly pay close to 50% of their salary to support this system. I say God Forbid! You would have riots in the streets, lol! Unlike you, I think Barack is a great alternative, but like you, I think Hillary’s proposal is a nightmare waiting to happen — primarily because it will never be a reality, but will cost us lots of money and time trying to *make it* a reality.

@ ANGEL_MINDED

obama’s plan is people have a CHOICE if they want healthcare or not. how can you penalize someone if they are given a choice if they want it or not. all he’s saying that his plan is set up so it will be affordable for everyone….the only people who will get penalized is people who got children because he wants ONLY children to be mandated, because the don’t have that choice as an adult….hence, they’re the priority…and that’s clearly fair

whereas hillary’s plan is mandated for EVERYONE, therefore EVERYONE whether you like it or not are forced to pay a tax on healthcare and if you don’t then you’ll get penalized….

that’s why hillary’s plan never worked for the past 15 years

@ UNREAL WE ARE GOING NO WHERE AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL ONLY HELP US GROW WE WILL RUN THIS COUNTRY ONE DAY BLACKS …. “BLACKS AND WHITES (SMART ONES) NOT IGNORANT ONES…. THIS IS 08 LET THE RACISM COMMENTS GO MY FRIEND CAUSE WE WILL BE HERE FOR THE LONG HALL……. AND OUR PAST IS WHAT MAKES OUR FUTURE BETTER AND BIGGER ….

Obama wants mandatory healthcare for children because they will start V chipping babies.

OBAMA 08! No more Clinton’s. Bill didn’t clean up shit after the Bush and this Clinton will not either….don’t be fooled people. Go with someone that has a lot more to offer than just a co-president husband….

OBAMA!IOBAMA!!OBAMA!!

Not because he is black, but because he is the best!

Yusef X
Friday, February 1, 2008
Obama wants mandatory healthcare for children because they will start V chipping babies.

LOL!!! (i had to laugh at that one) wassup yusef! whut are you going to do onc eron paul eventually drops out the race?

#66 WRITING IN CAPS JUST FOR YOU

@ CLEARMINDED

Say what you want, but HILLARY SHUT IT DOWN! Lol! Obama already knows that Clinton has it on lock!

# 77 Rastarr:

Reading comprehension please.

Thanks you.

@ Gluvnast

what are you going to do when Obama drops

I guarentee hell drop before paul does.

@ who ever spoke about the silliness of the illegal immigrants having driver’s liscense

i agree, and even obama himself said that if you fix the economic system that this wouldn’t be even an issue…being that he believes that immigrants stealing jobs is a scapegoat anyway

….WE NEED SOMEONE WITH HILARY EXPERIENCE TO GUIDE US TO THE RIGHT PATH WITH THE CONDITION IN WHICH THE COUNTRY IS NOW IN….OBAMA HAS AN ANSWER FOR EVERYRHING BUT CLEARLY DOESNT KNOW THE STEPS TO GET THERE..AND HILLARY DOES…OBAMA WAS TOO NONCHALANT LAST NIGHT….AND HILLARY DID ALL OF THE TALKIN WITH HIM AGREEING WITH HER AND FOLLOWING HER LEAD ALL NIGHT…..BUT THATS GOOD BECUASE HE IS ALREADY ACTING IN HIS PLACE…WHICH IS A VICE PRESIDENT.

@ yusef X

If in fact obama is cheney’s cousin I still would much rather have him in office I agree with his beliefs and his overall plan for this country.

The bottom line is that we as people in this country need to start taking up our roles as the people of this country because truth be told the people out number the gov’t so whatever changes we want starts with us

Obama connected to me more than Hilary did, she is like a blank slate to me.

Illegals do take away jobs from us.

Idk where you live gluvnast but here. Places where our people had jobs like Murder King and Mcdevils have all illegals working for them.

and what experience does hilary have??

What has she changed or tried to change that has made such a damn difference in your or my community?? I personally can’t think of any

Barack the vote ppl

OBAMA IS DUMB FOR SAYING IMMIGRANTS TAKING JOBS FROM BLACKS IS A SCAPEGOAT…THAT THE GODDAM TRUTH LIKE HILARY SAID….MOST BLACKL WHO WORK IN FACTORIES DONT HAVE EXPERIENCE OR EDUCATION TO DO MUCH..AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO BUST THERE BUTT TO MAKE A LIVING…WTF IS OBAMA THINKING…THAT THEY ARE LAZY AND DONT WORK HARD ENOUGH AND GET FIRED?? HELL NO..THE FACT IS YOU GOT THE MEXICANS COMING OVER WITH ZILCH IN THEIR POCKETS THAT WORK FOR 5 CENTS A DAY…SO THE FACTORIES GET RID OF THE STAFF THEY HAVE NOW WHO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY MINUMUM WAGE AND GIVE THE JOB TO THE MEXICAN WHO WILL WORK HIS @SS OFF JUST THE SAME FOR PENNIES…OBAMA OPEN YOR EYES YOU IDIOT!!!

Those of you suggesting that voting for a candidate because they are black is a bad thing have unfortunately become brainwashed….Now of course we all know Clarence Thomas is black too and if he were running for the presidency I would not vote for him, however, Barack is Barack…he is a black man who was unruly and lost as a teen, who found his stride in organizing in the PJs in the Chi, who then went to law school - Harvard Law…who was the first black president of law review…who has his law professors on commercials stating he is their most brilliant pupil, who has been an illinois representative for years and US sentator as well…this is not just my brother…but the type of brother who we have waited for…who has not only his ear to the street…who understand the double-consicousness of being black in america…who is clear on the impact that race and class has on citizenship…but also has the type of cross over appeal and credentials to garner the respect of those who may not be able to relate to his existence, but can relate to his well thought out and realistic policy positions and plans to truly transform this nation.
For you Billary supporters - who keep talking about her years of experience and her policy expertise…please tell me how you feel or rationalize the following:
Under Bill Clinton Black incarceration rates tripled (http://www.finalcall.com/national/incarceration03-06-2001.htm)
Under Bill Clinton Rwandan genocide took place with NO intervention and the death toll of our brothas and systas on the continent neared 1 Million
Under Bill Clinton we intervened in Bosnia where suspected ethnic cleansing was taking place and set the tone for our non-milatary missions (read IRAQ) http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/...sis/9601/01-09/index.html
Under Bill Clinton Welfare to Work left millions of black children home alone when their mothers were forced to work for minimum wage, often being bused hours away from home, children left in daycares to maintain their housing benefits - is this the type of policy that we support? http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._and_Work_Opportunity_Act

I mean…if she wants to claim experience as being first lady of the country and state when bill was governor…then she has to claim the things he did that were outright horrible…he was NOT the first black president…he held the economy together and because of that black folks liked him, but he was not a friend to us policy wise. Let’s not forget NAFTA and the cause of the influx of immigrants from Mexico…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

@bklyn bella

“The bottom line is that we as people in this country need to start taking up our roles as the people of this country because truth be told the people out number the gov’t so whatever changes we want starts with us”

I disagree with your first statement but I agree with this one. You have to join an org or dedicate free time to a cause. Not to clubbing,blowing guap at r titty bars.

Now If obama or clinton or romney or mccain are elected. The country is finished.

Im tired of warning people.

84.

Yusef X
Friday, February 1, 2008
@ Gluvnast

what are you going to do when Obama drops

I guarentee hell drop before paul does.

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obama just pulled $32 mill, AND leading in delegates

whut’s ron paul doing….lol

@ unreal
lol lol i love ignorant people like you lol lol I”M A NEGRO like you so bluntly called maxine and i know that our past is what makes our future…… regardless of who it is you have to learn from the old to better the new … grow up

Hmmm. You guys have made some interesting observations. Very good!! Food for thought is a good look for the CL.
My Main Point: I’ve never debated or disputed Hillary’s experience. However, I have questioned her character. On the other hand I have questioned Obama’s experience but rarely his character. I think because his judgments and inevitably his character, he will position and surround himself with people who have similar characters yet more experience. You need a leader who has character + experience. People (foreign countries) will not trust/listen Hillary because of her “experience”. Obama will make an excellent ambassador and leader.

@91 this country is open to anyone no one owns this place how the hell did you get here

would you have liked if someone said no you can’t come in turn your ass around

@ gluvnast

after obama loses super tuesday he will drop

Because hes only loyal to the party and not the people. Where as Ron Pauls loyalty is the public. He said he will stay in the race as long as people want to campaign for him.

This is a war of attrition.

Btw, if he isnt taking lobbyist, PAC , banker,multinational corp money, how did he raise 32 million in a month?

that doesnt seem to bother you does it.

@ Angelminded — I knew that’s where you would eventually wind up…lol!

SdotCarter
Friday, February 1, 2008
….WE NEED SOMEONE WITH HILARY EXPERIENCE TO GUIDE US TO THE RIGHT PATH WITH THE CONDITION IN WHICH THE COUNTRY IS NOW IN….OBAMA HAS AN ANSWER FOR EVERYRHING BUT CLEARLY DOESNT KNOW THE STEPS TO GET THERE..AND HILLARY DOES…OBAMA WAS TOO NONCHALANT LAST NIGHT….AND HILLARY DID ALL OF THE TALKIN WITH HIM AGREEING WITH HER AND FOLLOWING HER LEAD ALL NIGHT…..BUT THATS GOOD BECUASE HE IS ALREADY ACTING IN HIS PLACE…WHICH IS A VICE PRESIDENT.

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well, obama had no choice to play “nice” because everyone was LOOKING for him to mudsling, i mean they had a negative reaction to a pic at the state of the union address for a coincidental “snub”!!! even wolf was trying his hardest to spin shit to spark a fight! but you saw how the crowd reacted when wolf called hillary naive…..just think if that was obama that said that….so he had to play the role and tightrope on things to point out differences

also, hillary just CANNOT say a straight answer, and got exposed for it when it came to the iraq issue…also all her replies were dragged on and on and on to the point you forgotten whut the original question was in the 1st place…which i presume is a spin tactic she learned

@ 95

Experience ,,, character???

How about pollicy

or does that not matter anymore
winks and nods and handshakes are good enough

I wish people would stop with the “experience” line. Just because Hilary is 60 years and has 35 years of experience doesn’t mean it’s all GOOD experience. If you’ve looked at her record, she’s done some shady things….WALMART, the HSU guy…she’s flip flopped on several issues, and she only tells you what you wanna hear. Bush had experience and look where we all are now. Bill Clinton was young when he was elected in ‘92, yeah, he was a governor, and people might say that he had “experience”, but that didn’t stop him from creating that whole Whitewater issue, it didn’t stop him from getting impeached by the House of Rep., and he didn’t have enough experience to know that you shouldn’t F-around with the White House Interns. So, in my opinion, this Hilary “has more experience” crap is OVERRATED.

SdotCarter
Friday, February 1, 2008
OBAMA IS DUMB FOR SAYING IMMIGRANTS TAKING JOBS FROM BLACKS IS A SCAPEGOAT…THAT THE GODDAM TRUTH LIKE HILARY SAID….MOST BLACKL WHO WORK IN FACTORIES DONT HAVE EXPERIENCE OR EDUCATION TO DO MUCH..AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO BUST THERE BUTT TO MAKE A LIVING…WTF IS OBAMA THINKING…THAT THEY ARE LAZY AND DONT WORK HARD ENOUGH AND GET FIRED?? HELL NO..THE FACT IS YOU GOT THE MEXICANS COMING OVER WITH ZILCH IN THEIR POCKETS THAT WORK FOR 5 CENTS A DAY…SO THE FACTORIES GET RID OF THE STAFF THEY HAVE NOW WHO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY MINUMUM WAGE AND GIVE THE JOB TO THE MEXICAN WHO WILL WORK HIS @SS OFF JUST THE SAME FOR PENNIES…OBAMA OPEN YOR EYES YOU IDIOT!!!

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whut proof is that? because like he said, black people were struggle to get jobs BEFORE this issue came about…whut was the reason then???

you honestly think that just because you’re black, an immigrant, especially an illegal immigrant is going to get the job before you??? and with that said, who’s the blame? the illegal immigrant of the corporation hiring them???

you have to look at who’s really at fault…and illegal immigrants aren’t the ones we should be attacking…

I AGREE WITH U BUSSI! HER EXPERIENCE RECORD TELLS YOU ALOT ABOUT HER ASS!!

i honestly enjoyed myself watching the debate…..i took score…barak was sooooo candid, transparent , and focused with his answers, while hillary was a little all over the place, understandibly so, she has more experience to pull from……….but barak was awesome, soooo classy and cool, the perfect gentleman pulling hillary’s chair out at the end……………his swag is sooooo on point!!!………beautiful example of a man…………..really caused me to evaluate my standards of a man….love him….loved the debate………..VOTING IS THIS NOVEMBER, REGISTER NOW!!!

WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS PEOPLE!!!

@ angel minded-

Please research this info on the Clinton administration:

1.) White Water Scandal

2.) Monica Lewinsky Scandal

3.) Lani Guinier Scandal

4.) Please research regarding how the Clintion Administration knew about the possible 9/11 terror attacks and did nothing with that intelligence, which could have prevented 9/11 from happening during the Bush administration.

OLD PROVERB- you can’t know where you’re going, unless you know where you’ve been.

Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Clinton ?!? (LORD NO), then who Jeb Bush (former gov of florida), then what Chelsea Clinton ?!?……

Americans for change!- OBAMA 08- got my primary vote ALL DAY

Ron Paul — that crazy racist???? LOL. He’s on the sidelines where he needs to be.

@11.

♥Chelly♥ “…I’d love to see an Obama/ Clinton ticket come November……wonder if egos can be put aside for the better good of the country??”

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Chelly♥♥♥♥♥♥

You ask a good question! We already know that Hillary can put her ego aside, cause she had to take it on the chin from Monica while the whole world stood by watching!

OK, SO WHEN HILARY FREEZES INTEREST RATES FOR 5 YEARS…YOU ALL WONT BE COMPLAINING CUZ YOU WILL SEE HOW MUCH EXTRA MONEY YOU WILL HAVE IN YOUR POCKETS….THE ECONOMY WAS THE BEST IF EVER WAS WHEN BILL WAS IN OFFICE….AND HILARY KNOWS FIRSTHAND WHY AND WHAT MADE HIS PLAN WORK AND SHE WILL FIX THE ECONOMY AND MAKE IT EVEN BETTER THEN WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE…OBAMA WOULDNT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT..IT WOULD TAKE HIM SOME TIME…..2 YEARS IN THE SENATE DONT COMPARE TO HOW LONG HILARY HAS BEEN DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES

Yusef X
Friday, February 1, 2008
@ gluvnast

after obama loses super tuesday he will drop

Because hes only loyal to the party and not the people. Where as Ron Pauls loyalty is the public. He said he will stay in the race as long as people want to campaign for him.

This is a war of attrition.

Btw, if he isnt taking lobbyist, PAC , banker,multinational corp money, how did he raise 32 million in a month?

that doesnt seem to bother you does it.

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i know you’re republican so maybe you get confused that the delegate race on the democrats side is NOT a winner takes all….you forget that hillary “won” nevada yet obama had the most delegates…..the way things are looking the delegates are going to be split come feb 5th as well as closer than the polling shows, because most of those polls to not account the independent voters as well as edwards swing votes….

this race is FAR from over…whereas mccain is going to be certified in 4 days…& ron paul, nobody outside of y’all 10% cult even cares….

HILLARY KNEW SHE COULND’T SAY SHIT ABOUT MONICA BECAUSE SHE KNEW THIS DAY WAS COMING. AND SHE ALSO KNEW THAT IT IT WOULD NEVER RIDE (AT LEAST NOT FOR SOME DECADES LONG AFTER HER DAY) FOR A SINGLE, DIVORCED, WOMAN TO BE PRESIDENT…COME ON. HILL HAS HAS THIS IN MIND ALL ALONG!

at first i was gonna vote for obama….and YES it was because he is of african american desent….but….after actually paying attention and listening to their views i just dont believe obama…i dont know what it is but i dont trust dude….so i WILL be voting for hilary and i dont care who dislikes it

TEAM HILARY CLINTON!!!

106

please provide proof ron paul is crazy or a racist

Ive met him, he has more authenticity than hitlery and obama combined.

He talks to you, not at you like a robot

BARACK WAS NOT AS FOCUSED AS HILARY LAST NIGHT AND LOOK SCARED TO GET ASKED A QUESTION…HE IS A LOSER IN MY BOOK

@105 — LMAO @ who’s next, Chelsea???

We don’t need another Clinton administration. We need to go in different direction than the Bush/Clinton last 20 years.

The connection between Clinton’s failure to act on terrorist intelligence and Hillary’s later vote for war should be explored. That is what you get when you have entrenched politicians looking to cover their behinds and former mistakes. Does Hillary want to claim *that* experience?

#1CHARACTER
Friday, February 1, 2008
Hmmm. You guys have made some interesting observations. Very good!! Food for thought is a good look for the CL.
My Main Point: I’ve never debated or disputed Hillary’s experience. However, I have questioned her character. On the other hand I have questioned Obama’s experience but rarely his character. I think because his judgments and inevitably his character, he will position and surround himself with people who have similar characters yet more experience. You need a leader who has character + experience. People (foreign countries) will not trust/listen Hillary because of her “experience”. Obama will make an excellent ambassador and leader.

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that’s interestinf that you said that, because obama himself at the debates had the balls to say he want cabinet members that are brave enough to tell him “no”, because he knows that he’s not going to be right all the time

imagine hillary, or any canidate for that matter willing to say that they’re not perfect

@115
I DONT WANT TO HEAR WHAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE A “LEADER” DOUBTING HIMSELF…BEFORE THE JOB..THATS JUST DUMB

@112 — I’m not wasting any keystrokes on Ron Paul. It’s all in cyberspace. I’m focusing my discussion on candidates who have a chance, and letting these sideline crazies do what they do, and letting their nutty supporters rant on about conspiracies, skull and bones, and distant cousin genealogies. Let the tin-foil hat wearers carry on.

@ 114. Clearminded…..

I see we’re on the same page!!!!!!!!!

Obama 08!

OBAMA 08′!!!!!

I live in Canada, we have free health care, but, are taxes are somewhat high but at the end of the tax year we get a good amount of money back, i mean i would rather pay a higher tax than to pay thousands of dollars for a needed operation, so I ask why cant america do the same? Make more strict policies for health insurance companies so they dont eat your money

LMAO about Americans wanting ‘change’!

Yeah, Bush was all for change as well…LMFAO…it was a major ‘change’ from the Clinton Administration. Just b/c we’ve had the same families in office since 1988 doesn’t mean that there weren’t positive things happening…well I mean on the Clintons part…

I guess my point is, that ‘change’ is not always a good thing. In order to make any positive change you need EXPERIENCE! And if one more person asks what’s Hillary’s experience, I’m gonna direct you to last nights debate. Girl was on fiyahhhh!!! I’m sorry but she cannot be stopped…

I never been this excited about a presendential election before. But, all these debates seem like it’s spoiling it for me when it comes to the “Real” election. How many times do these candidates have to prove their point? Sometimes it can get annoying. I’m glad that young people are starting to care. VOTE 4 BARACK!!!!!!

“@112 — I’m not wasting any keystrokes on Ron Paul. It’s all in cyberspace. I’m focusing my discussion on candidates who have a chance, and letting these sideline crazies do what they do, and letting their nutty supporters rant on about conspiracies, skull and bones, and distant cousin genealogies. Let the tin-foil hat wearers carry on.”
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lol the fact is his supporters are independent minded people who dont need government handouts, socialism, understand constitutional law. Understand freemarket economics.

You are another person scared of reality, and seeing the signs hidden in plain sight. Skull and bones isnt a conspiracy, its a fact, now what they do and what power they yield is conspiratorial.

maybe you should open a book and cut the TV off.

Your name is probrably clearminded because you have nothing but air in between your ears

I disagree with him about guns and abortion . b

do you have a job?

@123. Dude whatever — take your ass on to Roswell and call it a day…LOL!

@ 121

It is really hilarious watching the sheeple get all emotional over simple buzzwords like ‘change” and “universal healthcare”

“Universal healthcare” just means mandatory insurance. but AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

Yall know what Codex Alimentarus is? Maybe you should look it up. Its what you are facing under obama are clinton

Team Obama!

@124

I have a bookstore

So what I do is read “conspiracy theory” books all day with my tinfoil hat on.

@ clearminded

thats what I thought

nothing to say

I guarentee that noone can provide 5 differences in policy between Hitlery and Obama

@120 (T.T.) — I’m curious. How long has your system been in effect in Canada?

I wacthed the debate last night and it made me real proud to be a registered Democrat. They were not only civil but classy compared to the previous night’s debate between the Republicans…totally shameful the way that occured. In my honest opinion John Mccain is going to get the Republican nomination and I think the Republicans are going to give Hillary all sorts of hell she will not be able to explain away.

They have nothing on Barack Obama, they’ll try to use the fact that he’s inexperienced, they may try to pull the he’s secretly a muslim terrorist but that won’t work. The majority of American people will see through that. Hillary has gone back on her word a couple of times. About two weeks ago when Obama admitted he’s a bit disorganized, she blasted him saying the next president of the USA needs to be organized and run the White House as a CEO would…then last night she said we don’t need a CEO president in office. Which one is it Hillary?

I really appreciate Hillary’s fight for universal health care but that’s a goal that is not attainable in the next four years. What’s going to happen when she gets in the White House and Republicans filibuster her bill for universal healthcare? I think people are forgetting it takes a majority vote to have this put into effect. Also, what is she going to do with the people who refuse to get healthcare? Fine them, jail them, what? She hasn’t cleared that up and Obama asked her to.

On the hand, Obama knows that a system cheap enough to buy into will make more sense to EVERYONE in congress therefore, getting it passes sooner and not later.

@ 130, can you?LOL, you sitting here like you know it all.And clearminded probably didn’t respond to you because you busy responding to yourself.Maybe he/she has something to do.Maybe you need a job.And I agree with the person who said we don’t need another Clinton, they had their reign and it ended in SCANDAL and they still a bunch of SCANDALOUS people now.

Everybody thought Bush had “experience,” but look where our country is at now?The economy is at low and this wack Stimulus Deal they want to go ahead with.You be the judge.

132

you know the american public pays for congressess excellent healthcare right? Thats illegal in itself.

Its also illegal to use the government to force me to pay for healthcare I dont want for any reason.

Mandating healthcare would be an assured way to lose. Because republicans would NEVER support it but once people start to really understand what that means. People will not support it. I also dont support electronic medical records. A database with all your health information on it? Is that safe? that doesnt protect privacy either.

People need to start using whats left of their brains.

OBAMA un point c’est tout!!!

SDOTCARTER, DON’T QUITE UNDERSTAND HILLARY’S LOGIC…
OH YOU CAN BE HERE ILLEGALLY BUT YOU CAN’T DRIVE
WHAT THE FUCK SENSE DOES THAT MAKE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HIT AND RUNS THAT SHIT WOULD CAUSE?
HAVING A DRIVER’S LICENSE DOESN’T HURT ANYBODY, AND ILLEGALS WILL DRIVE WITHOUT A DRIVER’S LICENSE IF THEY WANT TO ANYWAY SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL GIVE IT TO THEM AND HAVE THEM ACTUALLY TAKE DRIVING TESTS AND SHIT SO THEY DON’T KILL PEOPLE ON THE ROAD!

OBAMA 08′

@ shoronda

im not supporting hillary or obama

and No I cant find 5 differences because theyre exactly the same.

Their differences are superficial. Style not substance

I think they both did very well in last night’s debate. I’m not sure who was the “winner” per se but I think they both stuck to the issues for the most part. At times Hillary seemed a little long winded but I understand she was just trying to elaborate on how she will put some of her policies into effect.

Obama did well also but I think he should have pushed his National Security and Economic policy a little more. He made sense when he explained why a five year freeze on interest rates will not be the best idea. Think about it. If you have a home loan right now at 12.5% which is rather high but this is the case for many Americans, if the rates are frozen and you want to refinance for a lower rate, because of the freeze that won’t be possible. Also, the banks are not going to agree with that but that’s not the point. Point is, it will hurt a lot of people who will try to get new loans and those who are trying to refinance into lower rates.

I honestly have to do more research into this matter about illegal immigrants getting drivers liscences…I’m not sure I agree with that but then again if they have a liscence and they commit a traffic crime atleast we’ll have some record of who they are. Besides, immigrants don’t come here to drive, they come here to work.

Yussef X, I agree that there a few differences in their policies but a key difference is their health care stance and their plans for economic growth.

@ Sharonda — once somebody starts showing trollish ways, I don’t even bother…lol…they just want to hear themselves talk. And ain’t nothin’ like a tin-foil hat wearing troll…LOL!!!!

3 Policy Differences Between Obama and Hillary (a lot to type, but there are certainly way more than 5):

1 - Civil Rights Policy and Enforcement as an Urgent Priority

Barack :specifically mentions and has a plan outlined to strengthen civil rights legislation enforcement and create equity in arenas such as pay, employment discrimination, racial profiling, sentencing disparities, and drug rehabilitation options.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights/

Hillary: No mention of racial inequities on her issues platform

2 - Education:

Barack:
Quadruple funds for Headstart and Universal Pre-K
Address dropout crisis by passing legislation for funding programs that begin in middle-school aimed at keeping at risk (read black and latino and poor) youth in school
4K Tax credit for all americans for college
Require all schools to be accredited and enact teacher residency programs
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/

Hillary:
Invest heavily in Pre-K and Headstart
Cut the minority dropout rate in half. (no plan detailed)
3500 Tax credit for all americans for college
no mention of what to do with teachers
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/education/

3 - Poverty
Barack:
Improve transportation from cities to suburbs (where jobs are)
Reduce crime recitivism by providing support programs for ex-offenders
Raise minimum wage
require jobs to grant all employees at least 7 paid sick days a year
create and fund affordable housing grants
Establish 20 promise neighborhoods that are high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement in cities across the nation. The Promise Neighborhoods will be modeled after the Harlem Children’s Zone, which provides a full network of services, including early childhood education, youth violence prevention efforts and after-school activities, to an entire neighborhood from birth to college.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/

Hillary:
Supports a plan for poor rural americans - no general mention of what she will do combat poverty on her website. She does however have a plan for middle-class americans…link provided as well
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/rural/
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/middleclass

Please check out their issues they have identified as important. You will find that clearly one candidate includes you and your families and the other…well just doesn’t.

@ Clearminded you simply have nothing to respond with because you dont know much of anything

@ westindianbeauty

If we want to increase national security why is the border still open. Why do we have bases in 140 countries and continue colonialism and imperialism. THATS what causes terrorism. Aparantly noone is smart enough to see that. As llong as we fight imperial wars and support israel there will be terrorism.

And after all this empty rhetoric I havent heard obama or hillary say anything about the economy NOTHING

As someone who likes both candidates but is supporting Hillary, I would like to commend Concreeteloop for a well worded summation of the debates last night. Electing a President, especially this time around, is very serious and the Candidates that are most appealing to urban communities deserve equal or at the very least, fair treatment. Despite the fact Concreeteloop is somone’s personal gossip blog, I think we can all agree it has morphed into something much bigger. It was because of this site that even I learned about the Jena 6 case.

Again, Concreeteloop is to be commended for TRUELY being “Fair and Balanced”.

I was between Obama and Edwards, but honestly a Obama/Edwards ticket would be it for me.

Hillary and Bill’s shenanigans got on my nerves last week. You can see it they can get funky at the drop of a hat.

OBAMA/EDWARD ‘08 is what it should be

Yussef X , I think the question now is who can beat John Mccain?

I doubt it will be Ron Paul (sorry), but I think Hillary or Obama will give him a good run for his money. And that was also the underlining theme from last night.

I wouldn’t have to much of a problem if a Republican won the White House but not Mccain. He’s practically Bush III. Staying in Iraq as long as it takes…100 years? I’m baffled as to why he’s even leading in the Republican campaign right now. I think there is a clear distinction between Obama and Mccain but the distinction gets fuzzy with Hillary next to Mccain.

I would also take a close listen to what conservative tv and radio is saying. For some reason they don’t mind getting Hillary. I wonder if that’s because the campaign killers will come out and expose some things that aren’t to clear about Hillary. I was so excited when she first decided to run for president then Obama came and swept me away, lol! Just kidding…I’m making an educated decision for voting for Barack Obama!

For all of you who are saying illegal immigrants don’t take away American jobs, you are living a lie. Please go to any major city, New York, DC, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc. you will see so many illegals, on welfare now because they had kids here. Working part-time, but paying half the cost of rent and food because they are on welfare. While hard working middleclass citizens are paying for them. That shit is ridiculous and they shouldn’t have a driver’s license either. If you’re going to do that then they need to get deported back to where they came from. Obama doesn’t have a plan on immigration reform; he says “just give them a license”. At least Hillary say’s they need to work toward becoming legal and pay a fine. I wanted to curse at Obama when he said that crap last night, and it looks like some of you are brainwashed or maybe you’re illegals and this is so beneficial to you.

YUSEF YOU MUST NOT LISTEN WELL, OR YOU ARE COMPLETELY SLOW

Fact is that most blacks in the United States live in and around urban areas. Those of us who do, understand the dire critical emergency it is that someone care about and put effort into these areas…here is Barack’s speach on urban america

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: Changing the Odds for Urban America
Washington, DC | July 18, 2007
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It’s been four decades since Bobby Kennedy crouched in a shack along the Mississippi Delta and looked into the wide, listless eyes of a hungry child. Again and again he tried to talk to this child, but each time his efforts were met with only a blank stare of desperation. And when Kennedy turned to the reporters traveling with him, with tears in his eyes he asked a single question about poverty in America:

“How can a country like this allow it?”

Forty years later, we’re still asking that question. It echoes on the streets of Compton and Detroit, and throughout the mining towns of West Virginia. It lingers with every image we see of the 9th Ward and the rural Gulf Coast, where poverty thrived long before Katrina came ashore.

We stand not ten miles from the seat of power in the most affluent nation on Earth. Decisions are made on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue that shape lives and set the course of history. With the stroke of a pen, billions are spent on programs and policies; on tax breaks for those who didn’t need them and a war that should’ve never been authorized and never been waged. Debates rage and accusations fly and at the end of each day, the petty sniping is what lights up the evening news.

And yet here, on the other side of the river, every other child in Anacostia lives below the poverty line. Too many do not graduate and too many more do not find work. Some join gangs, and others fall to their gunfire.

The streets here are close to our capital, but far from the people it represents. These Americans cannot hire lobbyists to roam the halls of Congress on their behalf, and they cannot write thousand-dollar campaign checks to make their voices heard. They suffer most from a politics that has been tipped in favor of those with the most money, and influence, and power.

How can a country like this allow it?

No matter how many times it’s asked or what the circumstances are, the most American answer I can think of to that question is two words:

“We can’t.”

We can’t allow this kind of suffering and hopelessness to exist in our country. We can’t afford to lose a generation of tomorrow’s doctors and scientists and teachers to poverty. We can make excuses for it or we can fight about it or we can ignore poverty altogether, but as long as it’s here it will always be a betrayal of the ideals we hold as Americans. It’s not who we are.

In this country - of all countries - no child’s destiny should be determined before he takes his first step. No little girl’s future should be confined to the neighborhood she was born into. Our government cannot guarantee success and happiness in life, but what we can do as a nation is to ensure that every American who wants to work is prepared to work, able to find a job, and able to stay out of poverty. What we can do is make our neighborhoods whole again. What we can do is retire the phrase “working poor” in our time. That’s what we can do, because that’s who we are.

The challenge is greater than it has been in generations, but that’s all the more reason for this generation to act. One in every eight Americans now lives in poverty, a rate that has nearly doubled since 1980. That’s an income of about $20,000 a year for a family of four. One in three Americans - one in every three - is now classified as low-income. That’s $40,000 a year for a family of four.

Today’s economy has made it easier to fall into poverty. The fall is often more precipitous and more permanent than ever before. You used to be able to find a good job without a degree from college or even high school. Today that’s nearly impossible. You used to be able to count on your job to be there for your entire life. Today almost any job can be shipped overseas in an instant.

The jobs that remain are paying less and offering fewer benefits, as employers have succeeded in busting up unions and cutting back on health care and pensions to stay competitive with the companies abroad that are paying their workers next to nothing.

Every American is vulnerable to the insecurities and anxieties of this new economy. And that’s why the single most important focus of my economic agenda as President will be to pursue policies that create jobs and make work pay.

This means investing in education from early childhood through college, so our workers are ready to compete with any workers for the best jobs the world has to offer. It means investing more in research, science, and technology so that those new jobs and those new industries are created right here in America. And while we can’t stop every job from going overseas, we can stop giving tax breaks to the companies who send them there and start giving them to companies who create jobs at home.

We can also start making sure these jobs keep folks out of poverty. When I’m President, I will raise the minimum wage and make it a living wage by making sure that it rises every time the cost of living does. I’ll start letting our unions do what they do best again - organize our workers and lift up our middle-class. And I’ll finally make sure every American has affordable health care that stays with you no matter what happens by passing my plan to provide universal coverage and cut the cost of health care by up to $2500 per family.

All of these policies will give more families a chance to grab hold of the ladder to middle-class security, and they’ll make the climb a little easier.

But poverty is not just a function of simple economics. It’s also a matter of where you live. There are vast swaths of rural America and block after block in our cities where poverty is not just a crisis that hits pocketbooks, but a disease that infects every corner of the community. I will be outlining my rural agenda in the coming weeks, but today I want to talk about what we can do as a nation to combat the poverty that persists in our cities.

This kind of poverty is not an issue I just discovered for the purposes of a campaign; it is the cause that led me to a life of public service almost twenty-five years ago.

I was just two years out of college when I first moved to the South Side of Chicago to become a community organizer. I was hired by a group of churches that were trying to deal with steel plant closures that had devastated the surrounding neighborhoods. Everywhere you looked, businesses were boarded up and schools were crumbling and teenagers were standing aimlessly on street corners, without jobs and without hope.

What’s most overwhelming about urban poverty is that it’s so difficult to escape - it’s isolating and it’s everywhere. If you are an African-American child unlucky enough to be born into one of these neighborhoods, you are most likely to start life hungry or malnourished. You are less likely to start with a father in your household, and if he is there, there’s a fifty-fifty chance that he never finished high school and the same chance he doesn’t have a job. Your school isn’t likely to have the right books or the best teachers. You’re more likely to encounter gang-activities than after-school activities. And if you can’t find a job because the most successful businessman in your neighborhood is a drug dealer, you’re more likely to join that gang yourself. Opportunity is scarce, role models are few, and there is little contact with the normalcy of life outside those streets.

What you learn when you spend your time in these neighborhoods trying to solve these problems is that there are no easy solutions and no perfect arguments. And you come to understand that for the last four decades, both ends of the political spectrum have been talking past one another.

It’s true that there were many effective programs that emerged from Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. But there were also some ineffective programs that were defended anyway, as well as an inability of some on the left to acknowledge that the problems of absent fathers or persistent crime were indeed problems that needed to be addressed.

The right has often seized on these failings as proof that the government can’t and shouldn’t do a thing about poverty - that it is a result of individual moral failings and cultural pathologies and so we should just sit back and let these cities fend for themselves. And so Ronald Reagan launched his assault on welfare queens, and George Bush spent the last six years slashing programs to combat poverty, and job training, and substance abuse, and child abuse.

Well, we know that’s not the answer. When you’re in these neighborhoods, you can see what a difference it makes to have a government that cares. You can see what a free lunch program does for a hungry child. You can see what a little extra money from an earned income tax credit does for a family that’s struggling. You can see what prenatal care does for the health of a mother and a newborn. So don’t tell me there’s no role for government in lifting up our cities.

But you can also see what a difference it makes when people start caring for themselves. It makes a difference when a father realizes that responsibility does not end at conception; when he understands that what makes you a man is not the ability to have a child but the courage to raise one. It makes a difference when a parent turns off the TV once in awhile, puts away the video games, and starts reading to their child, and getting involved in his education. It makes a difference when we realize that a child who shoots another child has a hole in his heart that no government can fill. That makes a difference.

So there are no easy answers and perfect arguments. As Dr. King said, it is not either-or, it is both-and. Hope is not found in any single ideology - an insistence on doing the same thing with the same result year after year.

Hope is found in what works. In those South Side neighborhoods, hope was found in the after school programs we created, and the job training programs we put together, and the organizing skills we taught residents so that they could stand up to a government that wasn’t standing up for them. Hope is found here at THEARC, where you’ve provided thousands of children with shelter from the streets and a home away from home. And if you travel a few hours north of here, you will find hope amid ninety-seven neighborhood blocks in the heart of Harlem.

This is the home of the Harlem Children’s Zone - an all-encompassing, all-hands-on-deck anti-poverty effort that is literally saving a generation of children in a neighborhood where they were never supposed to have a chance.

The philosophy behind the project is simple - if poverty is a disease that infects an entire community in the form of unemployment and violence; failing schools and broken homes, then we can’t just treat those symptoms in isolation. We have to heal that entire community. And we have to focus on what actually works.

If you’re a child who’s born in the Harlem Children’s Zone, you start life differently than other inner-city children. Your parents probably went to what they call ” Baby College”, a place where they received counseling on how to care for newborns and what to expect in those first months. You start school right away, because there’s early childhood education. When your parents are at work, you have a safe place to play and learn, because there’s child care, and after school programs, even in the summer. There are innovative charter schools to attend. There’s free medical services that offer care when you’re sick and preventive services to stay healthy. There’s affordable, good food available so you’re not malnourished. There are job counselors and financial counselors. There’s technology training and crime prevention.

You don’t just sign up for this program; you’re actively recruited for it, because the idea is that if everyone is involved, and no one slips through the cracks, then you really can change an entire community. Geoffrey Canada, the program’s inspirational, innovative founder, put it best - instead of helping some kids beat the odds, the Harlem Children’s Zone is actually changing the odds altogether.

And it’s working. Parents in Harlem are actually reading more to their children. Their kids are staying in school and passing statewide tests at higher rates than other children in New York City. They’re going to college in a place where it was once unheard of. They’ve even placed third at a national chess championship.

So we know this works. And if we know it works, there’s no reason this program should stop at the end of those blocks in Harlem. It’s time to change the odds for neighborhoods all across America. And that’s why when I’m President, the first part of my plan to combat urban poverty will be to replicate the Harlem Children’s Zone in twenty cities across the country. We’ll train staff, we’ll have them draw up detailed plans with attainable goals, and the federal government will provide half of the funding for each city, with the rest coming from philanthropies and businesses.

Now, how much will this cost? I’ll be honest - it can’t be done on the cheap. It will cost a few billion dollars a year. We won’t just spend the money because we can - every step these cities take will be evaluated, and if certain plans or programs aren’t working, we will stop them and try something else.

But we will find the money to do this because we can’t afford not to. Dr. King once remarked that if we can find the money to put a man on the moon, then we can find the money to put a man on his own two feet. There’s no reason we should be spending tens of thousands of dollars a year to imprison one of these kids when they turn eighteen when we could be spending $3,500 to turn their lives around with this program. And to really put it in perspective, think of it this way. The Harlem Children’s Zone is saving a generation of children for $46 million a year. That’s about what the war in Iraq costs American taxpayers every four hours.

So let’s invest this money. Let’s change the odds in urban America by focusing on what works.

The second part of my plan will do this by providing families the support they need to raise their children. I’ll pass the plan I outlined last year that will provide more financial support to fathers who make the responsible choice to help raise their children and crack down on the fathers who don’t. And we’ll help new mothers with their new responsibilities by expanding a pioneering program known as the Nurse-Family Partnership that offers home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income mothers and mothers-to-be.

This program has been proven to reduce childhood injuries, unintended pregnancies, and the use of welfare and food stamps. It’s increased father involvement, women’s employment, and children’s school readiness. It’s produced more than $28,000 in net savings for every high-risk family enrolled in the program. It works, and I’ll expand the program to 570,000 first-time mothers each year.

The third part of my plan for urban America is to help people find work and make that work pay.

I will invest $1 billion over five years in innovative transitional jobs programs that have been highly successful at placing the unemployed into temporary jobs and then training them for permanent ones. People in these programs get the chance to work in a community service-type job, earn a paycheck every week, and learn the skills they need for gainful employment. And by leaving with references and a resume, often times they find that employment.

Still, even for those workers who do find a permanent job, many times there’s no way for them to advance their careers once they’re in those jobs. That’s why we’ll also work with community organizations and businesses to create career pathways that provide workers with the additional skills and training they need to earn more money. And we’ll make sure that public transportation is both available and affordable for low-income workers, because no one should be denied work in this country because they can’t get there.

To make work pay, I will also triple the Earned Income Tax Credit for full-time workers making the minimum wage. This is one of the most successful anti-poverty programs in history and lifts nearly 5 million Americans out of poverty every year. I was able to expand this program when I was a state Senator in Illinois, and as President I’ll do it again.

The fourth part of my plan will be to help bring businesses back to our inner-cities. A long time ago, this country created a World Bank that has helped spur economic development in some of the world’s poorest regions. I think it’s about time we had something like that right here in America. Less than one percent of the $250 billion in venture capital that’s invested each year goes to minority businesses that are trying to breathe life into our cities. This has to change.

When I’m President, I’ll make sure that every community has the access to the capital and resources it needs to create a stronger business climate by providing more loans to small businesses and setting up the financial institutions that can help get them started. I’ll also create a national network of business incubators, which are local services that help first-time business owners design their business plans, find the best location, and receive expert advice on how to run their businesses whenever they need it. And I will take steps to help close the digital divide and increase internet access for cities so that urban America is just as connected as the rest of America.

The final part of my plan to change the odds in our cities will be to ensure that more Americans have access to safe, affordable housing. As President, I’ll create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that would add as many as 112,000 new affordable units in mixed income neighborhoods. We’ll also do more to protect homeowners from mortgage fraud and subprime lending by passing my plan to provide counseling to tenants, homeowners, and other consumers so they get the advice and guidance they need before buying a house and support if they get in to trouble down the road. And we will crack down on mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud by increasing enforcement and creating new criminal penalties.

What this agenda to combat urban poverty attempts to do is not easy, and it will not happen overnight. Changing the odds in our cities will require humility in what we can accomplish and patience with our progress. But most importantly, it will require the sustained commitment of the President of the United States, and that is why I will also appoint a new director of Urban Policy who will cut through the disorganized bureaucracy that currently exists and report directly to me on how these efforts are going; on what’s working and what’s not.

Because in the end, hope is found in what works.

The moral question about poverty in America - How can a country like this allow it? - has an easy answer: we can’t. The political question that follows - What do we do about it? - has always been more difficult. But now that we’re finally seeing the beginnings of an answer, this country has an obligation to keep trying.

The idea for the Harlem Children’s Zone began with a list. It was a waiting list that Geoffrey Canada kept of all the children who couldn’t get into his program back when it was just a few blocks wide. It was 500 people long. And one day he looked at that list and thought, why shouldn’t those 500 kids get the same chance in life as the 500 who were already in the program? Why not expand it to include those 500? Why not 5000? Why not?

And that, of course, is the final question about poverty in America. It’s the hopeful one that Bobby Kennedy was also famous for asking. Why not? It leaves the cynics without an answer, and it calls on the rest of us to get to work. I will be doing exactly that from the first day I become your President, and I ask you all to join me in getting it done. Thank you.