
Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is joined by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., during a campaign stop in New York, Thursday.
Going after the women’s vote, Obama chastised Republican John McCain on Thursday over his opposition to an equal-pay Senate bill, his support for conservative-leaning Supreme Court justices and his abortion-rights objections.
“I will never back down in defending a woman’s right to choose,” the likely Democratic nominee said, drawing a sharp contrast with his GOP rival.
JESSE JACKSON APOLOGIZES
Rev. Jesse Jackson speaks during a news conference in Chicago, Wednesday, July 9, 2008. Jackson apologized Wednesday for comments he made about Barack Obama’s speeches in black churches during what he thought was a private conversation with a reporter.
Jackson set off an uproar for saying he wanted to cut off Obama’s testicles for talking down to Black Americans.
Jackson hurried to apologize to the Democratic presidential candidate, apparently after learning that Fox News had recorded the remark was going to air it on Wednesday.
“I said something I felt regret for — it was crude,” Jackson told CNN.
Jackson said he was “very distressed” that his remarks have became public because he said he is deeply supportive of Obama’s White House bid.
It happened, he said, when a fellow guest on a Fox News show last Sunday asked Jackson about Obama’s speeches at Black churches.
“I said it can come off as speaking down to black people,” said Jackson, recounting his remarks. “The moral message must be a much broader message. What we need really is racial justice and urban policy and jobs and healthcare.”
While Obama accepted the apology through a spokesman, his own son, Jesse Jackson Jr. publicly condemned him.
“I’m deeply outraged and disappointed in Rev. Jackson’s reckless statements,” the younger Jackson said. “I thoroughly reject and repudiate his ugly rhetoric.”
Rev. Jackson has a history of making critical statements about Obama. In November, he wrote an op-ed column in the Chicago Sun-Times that lambasted all of the presidential candidates, including Obama, because they “have virtually ignored the plight of African Americans in this country.”
Last September, the elder Jackson accused Obama of “acting like he’s white” for failing to take an aggressive role in denouncing the treatment of six black teens who were saddled with severe criminal charges for allegedly beating a white student in Jena, La.


GO BARACK!!!!
AND ITS ASHAME THAT PEOPLE LIKE JESSE JACKSON CANT JUST LET IT GO!
YOU LOST WHEN YOU RAN FOR WHITE HOUSE, DONT GET MAD BARACK’S WINNIN AND SAY SOMETHIN AS STUPID AS YOU SAID.
I USED TO HAVE RESPECT FOR YOU, BUT U LOST MOST OF THAT!
Jesse ain’t sorry. He’s just sorry he got caught!
What was the point of Jesse Jackson’s statement. We as a black race need to stop bringing each other down and start uplifting each other.
So lets see it was alrady Rev.Wright, Bob Johnson, and now Jesse Jackson…I wonder who Mccain will pay off next to critize Obama….??????
YEA HE AINT SORRY, NOBODY BELIVE THAT LIE! AND PPL LIKE THAT TALK DOWN ON YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN, AND LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE HE SHOWIN! YOU DON FUKED UP NOW JACKSON
Seem Like Everyone Posted Their Comment Already Under The Wrong Post. Anyway Those Comments Were Interesting.
LMAO @JESSE FOR SLIPPIN UP!
F@ck Jesse. Never been a leader in my book. Rode the coattails of Dr. King all those years. Someone tell me exactly what has he done to help the plight of black people since he is so critical of Obama. Go take care of that illegitimate child you had on your wife Good Rev.
Jesse aint nothing but a token for the white man. Throw him some dollars and the negro gets quiet.
I just moved my comment to this post
@vanity6
Jesse is jealous of Obama because he has made it to the actual nomination and he will be the next president. It is truly sad Jesse could have pulled Obama to the side or met with him in private to discuss how he felt. It’s like you know when you don’t like somebody and you wait until they leave to talk about them. Poor Jesse and he was being interviewed by FOX news of all channels he should have known to keep his mouth shut. SMDH
Rev. J. J. is jealous. It’s been apparent in his behavior during this entire campaign. It’s an ugly trait, but no surprise.
What he needs is for every one of us to tell him thank you for the sacrifices and inroads he has made for us.
He needs collective ass kissing and adoration for his contributions to “The Struggle”.
Perhaps then he’ll go sit his ass down somewhere and stop giving Republicans future ad material.
@ Yeah Okay
I agree the Rihanna Take A Bow song popped in my head after reading your comment ” Boy Your Only Sorry You Got Caught” lol see I told yall I like some RiRi stuff
Just a damn shame that black leaders have to hate so hard on Barack! He can’t win the White House by only focusing on black rights, this is not 1950! Furthermore, he isn’t trying to be a black civil rights leader he is trying to be the PRESIDENT… Jesse jackson is just OLD and JEALOUS!
Jesse needs to sit his illegitimate childing having ass down somewhere!
He’s always trying to get some shine in someone else’s spotlight….crab ass hater!
This is completely sad!!!! Once again the “Crab in the Barrel” syndrome. He took it entirely TOO FAR by saying “I wanna cut his nuts off!”
This from a civil rights leader from the past who marched for our rights. Then you cheated on your wife, and fathered another baby out of wedlock.
Stop thinking with your nuts Mr. Jackson and use your brain. How in the hell would you go on Fox news out of all the networks in he first damn place !!!
Stop being a crab in a barrel and lift this man up and what he believes in cause whether you agree with Mr. Obama or not what he said is the DAMN TRUTH.
Ok i dont get invovled in politics but i have some words of advice for Obama and that is……DON’T LET HER IN!!!!!! and when i say “her” im talking about Hilary…shes a snake and shes gonna back stab him, trust me shes shady as hell..and if he lets her become VP he better sleep with one eye open because shes gonna be out to get him..
I am so sick of people apologizing because they get caught. And is Jesse Jackson even relevant anymore? What has he accomplished recently other than making a mockery of himself as a minister and old man? Barack is not a “black folks” candidate and if he makes the rest of country think he is, he can forget the Presidency. As Black people, we all have “take on for the team” at times in order to get where you need to be. Why alienate white people and never get the opportunity to lead? Barack knows he’s black, and he doesn’t have to ignore subject-verb agreement to prove it. He is a Harvard educated attorney and does not need to dumb down his campaign so that we can understand. What kind of implication is that to make anyway? Why do Black people question if he’s black enough anyway? He doesn’t have to be a high school drop out with 3 baby mamas to be black. I appreciate what he’s doing for the image of Black men in America and I’m so proud of him, I pray he wins in November because the policies he plans to put forth will benefit ALL Americans, because in the long run, we are all in thsi together. Black people need to stop being so hateful too. We recognize that racism is real and that there is a battle going on, but who is going to put their gun down first? The last thing we need is washed-up, non-effective, fake ministers (I’m a Christian, BTW) trying to tear him down. Jesse needs to sit down!
Whose reverend is he? Or is that just a title. Im sorry to judge but I dont want a Reverend that commits adultery and talks about ripping peoples nuts off and whatever else he does. I got enough problems of my own.
Jesse ur just jealous that you didnt come withing 10 galaxies of the white house when you ran. Be happy for the man.
Jesse Jackson Sr, I’ll keep you in my prayers…….just so pathetic…..I mean is he really serious?!?!? It’s really sad when jealousy and hate consumes someone like that.
Jesse Jackson needs to shut the hell up and keep it moving..
I don’t care for Jesse. He’s an old bitter fart that needs another gig.
I’m a bit confused CL? You stated that J. J. Jr. was a Repulican but then go on to say he’s (D. IL)–which is it?
Aside from that, I have to co-sign with a previous comment. Anytime that you have any affiliations with FOX News–their network period you know well aware of what/whom you’re dealing with or up against. He’s not sorry, just sorry he got caught! He’s busted anyway…..people lost faith in him when he fathered that child outside of his marriage! It totally has nothing to do with the current statement but I know that I’m not the only one thinking it.
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I know good and damn well Jesse ain’t tryna talk no shiit wit that “baby mama” he got running around here. He need to stop. That dude is only apologizing cause he got caught. Ain’t no tellling what else he’s said that DIDN’T get recorded…He knew what was up. He prolly wanted to be heard just to keep his wack ass name in the news…
jesse jackson should be ashamed of himself…
jealousy is such a wasted emotion. just cus he didnt get the dem presidential nod back in the 80s doesnt mean he has to talk down to and show resentment towards obama who has! man, when will this black on black hate stop…?!
OBAMA 08!!!!! ♥
I highly doubt Jesse didn’t mean for that statement to be heard . Please, good ole media trickery again .
Jesse Jackson is an *sshole…for him to say something like that is just wrong. Maybe he should get his testicles cut off, and then we won’t have to hear about his extramarital affairs, and his bastard children…how about that? Damn hater!
i guess to be black and criicize obama is blasphemy now.
i guess to be black and criicize obama is blasphemy now.
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Very interesting comment
Jesse done gone and added to the list of ignorant blacks that insist on trying to tear OBAMA down. What a stupid thing to say and in a position where the possiblityl of others over hearing was so great. You can see him mumbling to the guy next to him. And Jesse wants to represent us. No way is he in any way shape or form a representative of me and what I stand for.
Jesse is stupid, his comments, stupid. And he is sorry he got caught. He should have had his balls cut off when he fathered the “other” child. BTW, is he paying child suupport for that baby? That’s something he should be worrying about.
IDIOT!
Im happy you understand # 27.
SORRY ASS JESSE JACKSON ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING NEGATIVE TO SAY…..CANT BE HAPPY A BLACK MAN I RUNNING FOR OFFICE…HE NEEDS TO SIT DOWN AND TAKE CARE OF THE KID HE MADE WHILE MARRIED TO HIS WIFE OUTSIDE HIS MARRIAGE I HATE WHEN PEOPLE ACT ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY…..
To DO: Its not necessarily blasphemy but one might think that its the age-old expression of Black Americans being “crabs in a barrel”. I honestly don’t think that Jesse Jackson cares too much for Obama despite his alleged support of him. I stongly feel that Black Americans are going to be chastised/criticized no matter what we do but for him to do make a statement/comment as such to a history-making opponent was not a good thing.
Its not a matter of not being able to criticize him its about the manner in which he did it and the basis of his criticism. Why did the REVEREND need to say he wants to cut off his nuts?
And who is he to question Obama speaking about Black men stepping up to the plate and taking care of their responsibilities? Thats not talking down to black folks thats the damn truth and it deserves to be spoken about. Especially to Jesse and his bastard child. To me Jesse Jackson is an opportunistic attention loving whore. And a jealous asshole as well. I dont like him or that silky smooth head Sharpton either.
He looks like a damn pug dog mixed with a little bit of naked mole rat.
Jesse Jackson is just hurt that he won’t be the first black President. Instead of reinventing himself by strongly supporting Obama he is making these kind of ridiculous remarks.
NO CONVERSATION WITH A REPORTER IS PRIVATE ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE ASKING ABOUT A BLACK MAN WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
Jesse Jackson is an idiot. He is mad that no one cares about him or his name anymore. It would have been smarter for him to speak positively of Obama and make public appearances with him so that he could possibly get some kind of position within the White House.
Obama ain’t dumb. He’ll accept the apology but he won’t forget that. And he shouldn’t.
Jesse is a HATER!!
#16 I could not have said it better. we as a people are always trying to question how black someone is, but let a white person mock our speech and mannerisms then they are racist! Barack stands for all people and of course he can relate to being black in this country. that is why he is the perfect chose for president. Jesse needs to stop!
See God don’t like Ugly, and thats why his mike was still on. Jessie’s true colors came out and he got straight busted. I agree, he is only sorry he got caught. Sounds to me a bit of bitterness towards Obama from Jackson. Correct me if i’m wrong, but didn’t he march with Dr. King representing non-violence then & now is talking about cutting off someones balls? WTH? Come on now Jesse..lol. Repent, then let it go. Wasn’t like Barak was lying in his speech about the high number of single mothers.
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pity no one cut off J.J’s testicles for stepping out on his wife and fathering an illegitimate child. pity his comments still make news. pity black folks hate hearing the truth about their trifling little lives. pity we can’t recognize a strong black man and hold him up instead of tearing him down. pity we can’t see that we have an enormous opportunity in B.O. and supporting him unite us in ways we haven’t been united before. pity pity pity!
@ 27 I am not upset about him criticizing Obama that is his opinion but he took it too far when he said he wanted to cut the man balls off.
Jesse wouldn’t know what nuts were if it slapped him in the face!
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Barack Obama is the presumptive nominee of a major political party and therefore breeds jealousy among so called prominent Blacks. It is the Willie Lynch syndrome, crab in a barrel mentally or whatever other cliché you might want to use. But the fact of the matter is Jesse Jackson is jealous of Barack because he sees Barack as someone who is doing something he couldn’t do when he ran for president. Jesse’s problem is that he feels Barack was talking down to Black people when he gave that speech on Fathers Day about the fathers’ role in the family; dead beat dads and all that. It rubbed Jesse the wrong way because Jesse is also guilty of playing down to stereotypes of the Black men…married and yet fathered children with other women and not supporting them. Messy Jesse better watch out because we all know what happens to people who talks bad about Obama, they become pariahs in the Black community. Just ask that coon Bob Johnson.
Obama ’08 …Black people make sure you vote
What a disgrace!!! Just to think that he was one of the “marchers” during the early civil rights era. What’s happening to OUR FOLKS for real?? We used to stand up for one another and love one another now we’re trying to screw one another without the KY… *staring upwards shaking my head with tears in my eyes*
Jesse Jackson Jr, big ups for stepping out and speaking on the situation about your jealous and fake azz daddy!!! I wish he would go and get Permed Al and they find the busiest intersection (preferably in ATL , NY, or Cali) and play in it!!!!!! LOL!
This is just pure hate!! Not sure if everyone knows but this is exactly 20 years from the time that Rev. Jesse Jackson tried to obtain the nomination himself and for him to say the things he said about Barack Obama is disgraceful. A BUNCH OF CRABS IN A BUCKET!!!!!!!!!!!
@ 27…
No it is not blasphemy to criticize Obama but when your criticism is baseless that’s when it becomes a cardinal sin.
It has to be hard to accept that your legacy is reduced to this. Never mind the slight on Barack – but Jesse is supposed to be a Reverend, and minister of the word. Even if as you say you felt he was “talking down to Black folk” – why not do the manly thing, the adult thing, the christian thing, and call the brother up and let him know how you feel? No you sitting around talking behind his back about what you want to do – like most cowards.
This is a shame, esp. because I think he did it on purpose just to try and get in the mix only to find out that he is so out of touch and no longer relevant that most people have already dismissed it.
The worst part is that his own son, who didn’t publicly denounce him for cheating on his Mom and having a separate family; has now publicly denounced his father’s comments and his character.
Somebody please get Rev. Jackson back to church.
That Jesse coment was straight comedy(LOL) and uncalled for..
I think he does support Obama’s bid..You can “Agree to Disagree”..It’s only human.
As an African American in America with all the milestones we have overcome it’s about time we stick together.. Not tear each other apart.
Just a thought.
Jesse is playing right into the enemy’s hands….c’mon, that conversation could have certainly waited until both of those men were out of the Fox studios.
To the ‘mindless’ people that post spam on this site (i.e., Bunny)…get a life or a job – or both! This site is a place for real people to discuss real issues, period.
I agree with #2
I agree w/ #2..
@7 Lawrence – You speak the truth, with out that other BS. Straight with no chaser…lol. I agree with you 100% A co worker and myself were talking about this this morning. Al and Jessie are opportunist. They can care less about the “plight of black people”. They have NEVER been leaders in my eyes. If anything, they have been more a problem than solution. I don’t speak politics. But Obama has done more for the black people just by running than Jessie and Al together with all their ranting, the past 25 years. I have been seen Jessie’s true colors. Now everyone else will too. Keep hope alive was Jessie’s moto when he was running, how has that changed since he lost? Do we not still need hope? Obama is giving us that hope back. And not only because he is black. He has little kids black,mixed and female believe they too can run for president. Not just run for president, but that their voice can be heard. Giving someone hope is the biggest thing you do for anyone.
One more thing…if Barack’s call on black males to step up and support their families hurt some feelings – too bad. He was certainly correct and its still true that the truth hurts. Perhaps Jesse felt the sting of Barack’s comments because of his own selfish indiscretions?? Perhaps…
I guess Barack’s father’s day speech brought back memories of Jessie not being a father to his illegitimate child in Michigan. What a jealous loser.
Jesse is such a moron that it is literally a waste of time and energy for me to go into details of how much an idiot he is!!! He is a crab-ass-nigga!!! You know the kind, when one crawls, the other pulls them down….Obama gets enough from White people, why must his own kind try to bring him down? Screw Jesse!!! Its time for a change of politics and a change of leadership in the Black Community!!! I’m not saying that Obama needs to be that leader for our community, but I am saying that Jesse needs to retire! Let someone like Jeff Johnson replace his trifling ass!
And this is very personal because you don’t go around talking about
castrating a man without it being personal. He is jealous and envious on a professional, political and personal level – he admitted himself that his son – his namesake, is very close to Barack – and some men can’t handle that, no matter how old they are.
Barack never cared nor wanted their support. They questioned wheather he was black enough. While I know they fight and have put up good fights for our civil rights both present and past but the mere association with JJ and Sharpton would have hindered Barack! I’m glad he stayed far away from all of it.. While I hope JJ and Sharpton continue the struggle for us they should all steer clear of the more then obvious now public hate for THE BARACK FAMILY!!!
I doubt JJ is regretful for what he said he is more regretful that he got caught being a two-faced ass! on a “hot mic”! The guy he said that two stayed poker-face during the comment!!
Also, he went to the interview on Fox five to discuss the election and he put himself in a negative spotlight. How will that affect his own supporters, his funding? You reap what you sow when the chickens come to roost!! hmmp His character has been damaged while trying to damage another brother!!
I never cared for Jesse sorry ass!!! That was just pure hate….
“Black In America” CNN July 23, 2008 6-hour special (which I’m sure will be in parts)
@ThinkAboutIt #56
I think you got somthing there.