On Sunday’s Meet the Press, former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced that he will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama next month.
“I think he is a transformational figure, he is a new generation coming onto the world stage, onto the American stage, and for that reason I’ll be voting for Sen. Barack Obama,” Powell said.
PALIN’S SOCIALIST CLAIM
Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin launched her toughest attack yet against Barack Obama on Sunday, accusing him of experimenting with socialism.
“Barack Obama calls it spreading the wealth. Joe Biden calls higher taxes patriotic. But Joe the plumber and Ed the dairy man, I believe that they think that it sounds more like socialism. Friends, now is no time to experiment with socialism,” she said in New Mexico.
She claims Obama’s plan to issue tax credits to lower-income workers is nothing more than a government handout:
“He claims that he’ll cut income taxes for 95 percent of Americans, but the problem is more than 40 percent of Americans pay no income taxes at all. So how can you cut income taxes for folks who don’t pay them?
Since he can’t reduce taxes on those who pay zero, he wants the government to send them a check that’s called a tax credit. And where is he going to get the money for all those checks that he will cut? By raising taxes on America’s hard-working families and our small businesses.”
OBAMA RESPONDS
At a rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina, on Sunday, Barack Obama fired back against claims that his economic policies are “socialist” in nature.
“It’s kind of hard to figure how Warren Buffet endorsed me, Colin Powell endorses me, and John McCain thinks I’m embracing socialism. This is his argument because I want to give a tax cut to the middle class, because I want to give a tax cut to 95 percent of American workers,” Obama said.
He added that what McCain and Palin consider “socialism”, he calls it an “opportunity” for regular Americans who deserve a tax break and that McCain wants to redistribute wealth to the already wealthy.
“Here’s the truth, North Carolina. This debate – and this election – comes down to what we value. In the America I know, we don’t just value wealth, we value the work and workers who create it. He can call me any name he wants but what he’s talking about is not right, it’s not change, that’s why we’re going to beat him in this election on November 4th.”
Before the rally, Obama stopped in Cape Fear BBQ and Chicken to meet with diners, many older white voters. When he entered the restaurant, 54 year-old Diane Fanning screamed, “Socialist, socialist, socialist – get out of here!” One woman yelled at her, “at least he’s not a war-monger!” It is unclear whether Obama even heard this exchange with the noise of others in the restaurant trying to greet him. He approached Fanning’s table, but she refused to shake his hand. She did, however, have a conversation with him about some issues that concerned her.
I can’t wait for this election to be over, I just want Barack to win so we can move on..I’m tired of all the childish name calling that’s coming out of the Republican party, it’s sick, hateful, and desparate..they’re trying to paint Barack as someone who’s “risky” and that you should fear and i’m tired of it….Mediocrity Always Attacks Excellence
Anybody else noticed that Sean Hannity from Fox was missing from his show? Wonder if it was because he’s McCain’s new “Lipstick Pitbull”, since he magically appeared with a two part report on how shady obama supposedly is, lol.
@54 OKAY
Should I say Dr. OKAY? LOL! Congrats to you and I feel you.
#59 Cedes makes a great point. Bush has screwed the economy so bad, that I don’t think either candidate can help much at this point. I just can’t go with someone who believes middle class are the people making under 5 million dollars.
SMH Sarah Palin. Typical reactionary conservative tactic of labelling EVERYTHING socialist. And STOP with this “Joe the Plumber”, “Ed the Milkman” shit. She’s only using these characters as analogies to cover up for her obvious lack of awareness of virtually everything.
Colin did a good thing! And what impressed me even more is that he QUESTIONED the Republican’s (and wide American sentiments) against Muslims. There are millions of American Muslims who are being unfairly harassed and discriminated against, just because of the actions of Islamic extremists. Even IF Obama was a Muslim, so what??? Muslims can be just as American as the next person, but this hate culture directed at them has gone way out of hand. I know there’s Muslim terrorists who want an all out Jihad against the west, and they deserve to rot in hell, but what about the peaceful, moderate Muslims, who has nothing to do with this??
—–@ ja
—–niether candidates proposal includes the 700 billion dollar bailout
—–both proposals mean new money. the 700 bailout plan has provisions that would
——allow judges to rewrite mortgages at market value and make lenders take the
——loss. you dont need fact check for that, u should just read the 2008 economic
——-stabilization act. besides the 700 biliion dollars is not entirely footed by the
——–taxpayers because the market will recover and govt will get their money back.
@okay #54 and other numbers.
I have been using the name okay for the past 2 years on this site and then here you come using the name okay to say some bullshit. I REALLY DON’T APPRECIATE THAT. You got so much to say, you should have took time out to think of another name. I got one for you…MOUTH-RUNNER! You got so much to tell everybody about his policy you should go stand a few feet from the polls and make like a sign a some shit and shut up all the preaching in here. GIVE MY NAME BACK SUCKER!
@ JA
No, boo.. Not all Texans are voting for McLame. I’m a white Texan and I sure as hell voting for Obama. McLame is nothing but a liar and his running mate is a dingbat. I’m a Republican as well and I agree with everything Powell said and McLame and Palin.
I VOTED FOR OBAMA. ANY BLACK PERSON WHO VOTES FOR MCCAIN IS A
L-O-S-E-R. G.I. YELLOW TEETH COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOU. CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG BUT OBAMA WILL RAISE TAXES ON THOSE WHO MAKE OVER 250K BY ONLY 3%. ….AND I’M OUT
I was at the Fayetteville, NC Rally and I have to say, seeing the man in person and hearing what he has to say can spark inspiration in your heart. Even if he got in the office and could only do a 1/3 of the things he said ( I mean its politics, you raise the expectations of your actual ability because A) the other party is going to do it and to win you HAVE to beat them at their own game and B) Touching on the things that you want to change, let the people know you do take interest in what they deal with day in and day out) , the inspiration that he has sparked in America is just…awesome.
I also eat at Cape Fear BBQ alot. Look . If you could go to the place, its about as big as a bedroom and its ran country ass people. I wasn’t surprised when I heard what was said…I was just ashamed it came from my hometown people. Some people can be just so damn IGNORANT. Like, c’mon lady, shit. Damn rednecks round here probably hi-five’n her as we speak. She coudn’t have just served the man as a patron to the establishement? Then after talking out the side of her hick ass neck, wanna sit down and discuss her “issues”. That’s what you should have done in the first damn place before yelling ignorant shit. I’m not eating at the place for a good minute…( I am going to miss those sammiches tho LOL)
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@ bobbi
Good luck with trying to get any money back. Say that to ALL the people who pay into SSN and wont be able to use it. the money that the government will get in taxes to support the 700 bill will come from tax payers. Just tax payers. McCain ‘s plan will include funding from the 700 Bill. But you are right about Obama. He want to hold out for 90 days and see what happens. So not the 700 is not apart of Obama’s plan.
@ Jessica
I never said Everyone is going in Texas is going to vote for McCain because clearly by your name calling you support Obama. But the fact of the matter is McCain will take Texas. You are entited to your view but the fact of the matter is that Most Texas folk agree with, will and have voted for McCain. Did you vote today? polls are open. If you feel so strongly about it dont waste your time calling people who have done nothing to you names, get out there and vote.
we need to keep an eye on ol fake a22 nancy pelosi; here she is again wanting a stimulus pkg again. thus the poor folk will get crumbs by way of a couple of hundred dollars. while the rich people of her ilk will get the best of the pkg. we don’t need no measly couple hundred dollars, man you folks up on captial/crooked hill you just don’t get it . what we need is quality health care . when was the last time n. pelosi you and benanke been to a doctor at a community health care clinic where them folks, talk and treat you like your nothing. like their doing you a favor. its got to the point where when i go there i’am about on the verge of snapping when its the people that pay their salary. and they talk to you and treat you worst than a dog. bernanke and pelosi take your stimulus [joke ] of a pkg and just go away. that stimlus check can’t buy sh## anyway and i’am not one of these okey doke folks who think that this check is going to change anything. DAMN THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THE STAY THE SAME.
I’m sorry but I’m not voting for McCain. I think that 5,000 he plans on giving back for health care does not make any sense. as well as how he plans on keeping our troop at war until the goverment out there is sound, that will take forever to happen and sounds like way more spending of money and lives to me.
“OKAY” do us all a favor and vote Ron Paul or just don’t vote at all because a vote for McCain we leave us all sorry. Also, the chances of Sarah Palin becoming president will not be a healthy choice for our country.
do you think during times like these people will use that 5,000 check to buy health care? That’s a waste of money.
Obama ’08!
Also OKAY, How can you say you trust McCain when he felt that our economy was in sound state in the first place. Matter-of fact McCain’s weakest point is dealing with the economy. His plans does not contain in-depth specifics on fixing the economy.
But I betcha his strongest point and plans are on how he will keep our soldiers at war.
Sorry OK( new) but you must not have done well being an economist because you should know that no matter who you vote for, that in economic cycles there is going to be recession. You can not get away from that so it does not matter how hard you try to patch it up it will be there. I think Obama allows for us to go through it but come out less affected than McCain. You also need to look at the whole picture of the president and how he is viewed by the world and how that will help us with aiding out ailing economy with foriegn business. John McCain represents the Bush Bully views and in the world we are very much hated. We are no longer a symbol of a fair democracy but we are viewed as tyrants or dictators throwing our weight around.
No One has address the issue,Obama/McCain, of why the economy is really in trouble, , so I msut go off of other key needed characteristics and that is why I will be Voting for Obama
For the first time in his whole political tenure, I am truly impressed with Colin Powell. I’ve heard so many white men (because that’s all I work with) say “if Colin Powell were running for President, I’d vote for him.” Do you know how many Republican votes Powell’s endorsement will swing? No matter how much McCain wants to downplay the impact of Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack, THIS IS HUGE, and McStupid knows it! Barack was also dead on in offering Colin Powell ANY POSITION HE WANTS in the Obama administration.
As for Palin, does that idiot even know what socialism means, let alone what it implies? Is anyone even listening to her, let alone taking her seriously? Barack is not asking anyone rich to “share their wealth,” he’s simply saying, “pay taxes in proportion to what you earn.” And what is she talking about giving tax breaks to people who don’t work? Last I checked, people who didn’t work weren’t require to file taxes. Someone needs to hit her hard with a clue brick. The more she talks, the more idiotic she sounds.
—–@ ja
———yea ss is a lost cause, but why, bc the rep dont believe in taxing but the
———- believe in borrowing money from ss that is why it has offically started to go
———- bankrupt (along with the baby boomers retiring). bush wiped out ss but ss is
———- not an investment. it is a tax expenditure. the govt pays more toward ss than
———– you do. my is was though, govt is investing in these financial institutions bc
———– noone else is. what happens when the market recovers. u gain profit. thats
———– whats happening here. the govt is buying stock. they get the money back
———–automatically when the shares recover to net profit.
———–BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS:
———–IF U FOLLOW MCCAIN U KNOW THAT HE’S GOING TO FREEZE
———–SPENDING RIGHT? SO HOW THE HELL IS HE GONNA PAY FOR ALL
———– THIS STUFF IF HE IS ONLY GONING TO ALLOW DEFENSE SPENDING?
———-
———
————LOLOLOL @ GJ
————U DONT EVEN GET A REBATE CHECK IF U DONT WORK CAUSE THEY
————DONT KNOW U EXIST! U R NOTHING TO THEM LOL
————I DIDNT GET A REBATE CHECK HELL AND I PAID THE GOVT I DIDNT
———– GET A REFUND SHOOT.
This is the best way I have seen it explained:
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes,it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.’ Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I got’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works!!
The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia
@ #79 – that makes sense. But how can you ask someone to pay what they don’t have? And conversely, I agree, you have to be careful with the approach. I also agree that it is patriotic to pay more taxes when it will effect you the least. I liken it to tithing at church – you give more when you have more to give.
@ bobbi
You pay into SS with the idea that when it is your turn to retire or you are in need you can collect on it. Kind of like a Insurance poliy. That makes it an investment. Every year you should get a statement that tells you how much you put into SS and what your entitlement is if you were to file. Now like every other government programs there are people who use SS how should not. I know of a person who’s Daugther get her father’s SS. Now this is not his daugther and he was fighting Child support just before he die and birth claims. DNA test and all. When he died the courts named him the persumed father.
McCain never said he was going to Freeze spending. He did say he would cut back and and reduce the number of earmarks granted. Now to meet you half way He has not stated what he will cut back on, which he should.
And I’m sure when ths stock market recovers we ( regular tax paying citizen) will not get a big check in the mail saying ( thanks for the 700 Bill ) prices on item will go down but I doubt it will be to the extent that it will repay the money we have been taxed.
We have seen this before With Fannie Mac. It too was built on Government money and when it started to profit the American people saw no of that money, LBJ let the cmmpany go private.
I like how you thinking though.
I am a lifelong democrat and I have always respected Colin Powell and so have all of the other liberal blacks I know personally, so don’t assume that all blacks thought he was an uncle Tom for being a Republican. Someone mentioned it earlier, but we just passed a bailout package for billion dollar corporations, the government interfered in the private sector which is a form of socialism. A few years ago the government also bailed out the airlines, and the amount of money they spent could have insured every american. We do have socialism in this country, but it is for the rich, capitalism and social darwinism are for the other 95% of americans
@CGJ
That is not patriotic. You can not believe that. Being patriotic is serving your country, pulling your fair share, living with in your means, standing on you own two feet, taking care of all your kids. This is America you can pull yourself up from the worst and be whoever you want to be.
Making people help other people is not a funtion of the government. Yea it God like and its nice but The Word of God does not even force people to tithe. And I believe it’s 10% cent for everybody, not 25% for some and 8% for others.
Malachi 3:8-12
This is deeper than money you have to know that. Tithing can include food, time clothing among other things.
For the record Pailn did not say people who dont work will recieve a check. She is talking about the 40% at the bottom of the tax bracket that itemize like the top 5% of the tax bracket that end up getting 3 and 4 thousand dollars on top of getting back what they paid in. And yes those folks dont pay taxes at all. In Obama’s plan they fall in the 95% that means more money on top of what they dont pay already. (This dose nothing to help those who have no job and dont file at all for the record)
Now to put it in plan terms. Obama tax plan will take money from the 5% and give it to the 40%.
“Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, and creates an unequal society and socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly”
Now I dont know but that sounds alot like what Obama is talking about, I myself like captitolism. I like being able to advance by working hard with out the fear of it being taking away because I am doing to well
if not obama…. POWELL FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!
but for now
OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE U!!!!!!!!
——-so ja
——im guessing u are for the “fair tax”? which not a bad thing entirely because u
———would only pay taxes for what u consume. but if u watch the debates mccain
———- did say that he would freeze spending except for defense….he said that. but
———- on ss, theres no money there bc bush borrowed everything, the govt has
———–debt with itself, now he wants us to forget about it. and of course u are not
———gonna get a check in the mail because noone knows when it will affect the tax
———– payers if it does. if we are paying for this bailout i’d rather pay for that than
———–paying for rum subsidies, or bridge to nowheres (which obama voted for and
———– mccain and biden). i guess what im saying is they are not not charge us
———–taxes bc there’s no bail out, they are gonna find something to spend our
———–money on. i am on the fence about this whole tax thing simply because its
———–because of “us” that warren bufet has all this damn money if we are broke,
———–we dont invest, if we dont invest, stocks dont return profit, therefor they dont
———– become millionaire gamblers. they are simply beting on the middle class.
LMAO @ JA and her ramblings
You either have poor math skills, poor critical assessment skills, no grasp of the concept of IRR or all of the above. If you’re going to present an idea, at least have the intelligence to put out an original thought.
@ JA.. while you’re at it, kindly explain to us:
1. Why universal health care is intrinsically bad
2. Why a pro-life person would think so
3. How “pro-life” and “anti-abortion” are logically “military issues”
4. Why a pro-life Texan would support the death penalty
5. How “pro-choice” is the same as “pro-abortion”
6. How as a military person, the “tax issue” realistically applies to you, since you’re basically freeloading on tax payers
7. How you claim to “defend” the constitution but can’t seem to grasp the idea of the separation of church and state
9. I can tell you for a fact that I put more money into this country, pro-rata, than any military personnel. Does that mean that you guys are “stealing” from me?
10. You say that Colin Powell “timed” his endorsement. Well isn’t the point of supporting someone to help them win?
did mccain all of a sudden retract his comment that he would freeze spending? i mean, i didn’t catch all of the last debate but im pretty sure that’s what he’s been pressing. you know the whole “hatchet” vs “scalpel” argument.
@ ZULU
I know you wont understand but I will explain it to you anyway.
First universial heath care is bad because it takea away the choice to chose. If you look at all the countries that have free health care or ( the appearance of you will see that the health care is not very good. You already know what happens when a government takes over.
Pro -life is more than the little box that people try to put around it. I think abortion is wrong, but if a Woman wants to do it thats between her and God. However I do not agree with the fact that 12 and 13 year olds can go out and get abortion without parents knowing. You need parental consent for Breast implant, but not to get and abortion. Did you know that there is no regulation on abortion, a nurse (p) can preform an abortion. People still died from abortion in the so call SAFE clinics. An abortionist is not reguired to take a medical history nor or they required to make the females aware of health risk of abortion ( any there are many if not proformed correctly. Look up Roe v wade and Doe v Bolton. Both the doe and roe in these case have requested to have these cases overturn. The Supreme court looks at these cases every year largerly because Millions of women who have had abortion or victims of failed abortion have petion the court to revisit the case. and for the record “pro-choice” is not the same as “pro-abortion”
I never said Abortion was a soldier issues. I said I was voting for what I call soldier issues meaning what is best for soldier in my view as for as war, taxes and housing , VA i.e Abortion is a separete issues and it need to be addressed by everybody.
I see that you are against the death penalty. What do you suggest we do with repeat murders. People who have no respect for human life. You work on a plan that will work. And well go from there.
Most soldiers pay taxes. I know my husband and I got a 150 hot dollar back last year and I can tell you we paid way more into it.
So, according to you Police offices, all government officials, people on welfare, teachers, post office workers, the folks that work down at the child support office, are all thieves because their primary income is from taxes. Right
Soldiers work hard, who do you think was down in New Orleans picking up bodies, or running the storm shelters during Ike and Katrina. How about who help intergrate the schools. but you are entitle to you views and we dont jsut do it for you.
I believe in separation of church and state. And from your comment I can tell that you didnt fully read my post so. Bottom line I dont want my Minster in the white house or my President giving the message at my church. I dont want to hear how my pastor feels about poltics ( this is the problem I have with Rev Wright) What I do want is the respect of the government bring my kids up based on my religous views.
Now you kindly expain to me what changes Obama are going to make that will affect me or make my life better
@ JA
As far as I know, none of the major candidates is proposing your definition of “universal health care.” Both offer you a choice. With McCain, you get a tax credit to excise what works best for you. With Obama, you have an option to keep your current coverage with the probability of paying less, all children will be covered, and HMO and employer loopholes will be erased. This is not a mandate. Read it up.
On the issue of abortion, do you even realize that the position you just explained is in terms of belief, jurisdiction, and standard health practices WAY close to Obama’s, and is as far from McCain’s as night and day? Now you finally acknowledge that “pro-choice” doesn’t equate “pro-abortion,” fine. Why don’t you explain that to the bigoted GOP lot that keep foaming at the mouth with “baby killer!” at proponents of choice?
JA said: “I see that you are against the death penalty.”
- No you don’t. I neither said nor implied that I am against the death penalty. Everything I said was based on what I’ve read from you on these boards. Making baseless assumptions only makes me question your critical ability further.
I never said that government officials stole from me. I asked you a rhetorical question that mirrored your weak argument. You said on this very thread that you “…still dont see how taking money from one person and giving it to someone else is not stealing.” Well, there you go. I guess that one went right over your head. And for your information, military personnel get free education, free health care, free commodities, and exclusive amenities and provisions that make then net out on the positive end of the tax scale. So by definition, the average tax payer supports you. It’s simple math. You can never point to one soldier that will be adversely affected by the said tax policy vis-à-vis the status quo, so your argument that it is a “soldier issue” is null and void.
JA said: “Soldiers work hard…”
- Listen, everyone I know works hard. No one drafted you. You get compensated for your troubles. Now let’s be quiet.
JA said: “I believe in separation of church and state. And from your comment I can tell that you didnt fully read my post so. ”
- No you don’t. Your numerous interjections of religion and moral codes of ethics into political arguments, the constitution, and rights to citizenry strongly demonstrate otherwise. You bringing up Rev. Wright is especially hilarious as there is no such term as the “Religious Left.”
JA said: “I never said Abortion was a soldier issues.”
- Well you’re either a liar, incoherent, or both. These are your words: “I will vote for McCain. Like I said before The issues that affect me, the ones that i care about are listed as following Taxes Immigration Abortion Education What I like to call soldier issues I dont agree with Obama on any of these issues.
I don’t need to explain Obama’s changes to you because (a) You don’t know that I support him — again, work on your critical thinking skills (b) I’m pretty sure his platform is hashed out on his website (c) You obviously didn’t engage in any objective research because you are totally incapable of even telling when a candidate sides with you.
What you need to do is:
(1) Express your true beliefs and quit lying on CL.
(2) Stop acting like any law abiding citizen owes you a damn thing.The military is wide open to the lowest common denominator of society, and yes, even the illegal immigrants you keep yapping about.
(3) Take advantage of the GI bill to further your education, or at least learn how to use spell check. It’s easier than copy+paste.
@ zulu
I’m glad you took the time to go back and scan my other post for more of your hate talk and name calling. I’m not going to be like you, But I will help you understand some facts that I’m sure you just didnt know and leaving out to make yourself sound good.
First Obama did in fact say he wanted Universial health care. Later he changed the wording, when asked about Health care in the debate with Clintion he said the Clinton and his plan were alike , but his plan would insure that all American ( even the ones who could afford) now it he changed that since September I wont know because it doen’t matter I went with the guy who has always said what I like about health care and the is McCain. Now they tried the all Kids will be covered in HI ( it didnt work and the plan went away)
Now on abortion. I heard what Obama said to yall at his rallies, but I also when back and looked at his voting habits. He believe that 13 year old have the right to chose when he said he was pro Planned Parenthood v. Casey and caes like this. Hell he believe that his 13 year old should have an abortion.
Now their are some people who are pro abortion and I am against them to. The people who set up shop in the poorest neigborhood and have people go out an tell young girl they dont have to have a baby and a lot of things I wont repeat. And it all for the money. So yea there are baby killers out there and they sir are wrong. I want to see Roe v wade overturn. Remeber abortion was legal before Roe v wade. It was a state issue. And thats what will happen when it is overturned. And if you read my other post you will see why so I wont tell you again.
And if you are for the death you either for or against you can t be niether, If you have no argument either way than you bring it up is just silly. Fine you think my view or wrong or you imply but if you have no view to counter mine then how does that make me are anyone like me wrong.
If you go back and Really look at my other post you will see the all of those Items i.e. Abortion soldier issues where on a separete line indicating they were all separete. or did you notice that, It ok I understand in a rush to get back and tell me how wrong I am.
If you take money that some one worked hard for and give it to else just because you feel like you should id stealing.
So if I was not drafted I dont or my husband dont deserve to get paid.
” How as a military person, the “tax issue” realistically applies to you, since you’re basically freeloading on tax payers”
Now all the jobs I named are tax paid positions. are they free loaders too.
If you would have contiuned reading the post you would have seen the taxes are not that important for me. that doesn’t mean I cant think Obama plan is not fair. and if you see his interviews and read his platform he quotes the bible when talking about taxes. Some people get confuse because they think what he says in word for word in the bible so it must be right. But like anything you believe in it some one gets it wrong you have to correct them are you are as lost as them.
Church and state.
What Rev Wright said had nothing to do with God and everything to do with state. I dont go to churches like that and I dont feel my leaders should either. Obama said he didn’t hear him bit I read Obama’s book before it was popular and inside he quotes Rev Wright saying some of the very words. I dont interject I correct bible verses. You would think that if it were in a book as easy as the bible you would not mess up.
Now this is really going no where. I get the sense that you are try your best to prove me wrong. Well you have won in your mind. New flash if you think I am wrong than I am wrong in your mind which is all that matters.
the point of the matter is
a) I voted already for McCain
b) I did well under Bush
c) no matter who wins my family and I will still bless, and you will still be on CL try to prove people wrong.
d) no illegal immigrates can not join the Millitary. They immigrats have to be on some type of visa. you are right it is wide open, so why are there so many people with families out of work when the Millitay is clearing hiring.
Please be sure to vote, I dont want you saying all this for nothing
Well I was going to try and convince those people on here that are voting for —————-McCain to reconsider, but in their heads what they’re saying makes sense to———– them. God give us freewills, so just like those who went against Jesus believed——– that they we’re right (not saying Obama is the same a God’s son either) I just———– pointing out how their minds may be clouded. Because I believe that noone in———-their right minds would believe that McCain/Palin was best for the nation ——————considering how their Behavior!!!!! Please am beggin u vote vote, don’t let them———–put these charcters in the highest office in our nation, this is some shiggadee———– right here. I’m so sad…. Well the View’s on got go. VOTE OBAMA 08-12
@ JA:
I took the time to give a detailed refutation of your drivel, to prevent any unnecessary back and forth with someone with clearly low comprehension skills. Truth be told,
you do not have the natural ability to “make me understand” anything. I don’t give a damn how anyone votes. What I do care about though, is people perpetuating gibberish and outright lying.
(1) I have proven that you have no idea what you’re talking about
(2) I have proven that you are a liar
(3) I have proven that you have no credibility
(4) I have proven that you have no ideas of your own
How is any of this “hate talk”? lmao
Listen, should be happy enough freeloading on the taxpayer because with your level of intelligence, you do not have a prayer in the real world
Yay Colin…The truth is the light! OBAMA 2008
Wow, Powell summed it all up for Republicans and Independents on why Obama is the better candidate for President.
HELL YEAH! COLIN KNOWS whats good…
thats whats up!
LMAO!! somebody said to give Colin Powell back his “black card”…LOL!!!! He did earn it thats for sure…hell he earned it back the moment he stepped down from his secratary of State position shortly after that 9/11 movies came out!
“Awaiting Moderation”
Giving BACK his “black card”? What did he do to have it revoked? Is it because he is a Republican? Give me a break with that nonsense. So every black politician who isn’t a Democrat (Condoleezza Rice, Alan Keyes, etc) isn’t really black? My goodness..