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NEWS ROUNDUP: OAKLAND BART POLICE OFFICER KILLS YOUNG MAN / FORMER KILPATRICK AIDE SENTENCED / ‘09 = TOTAL DECLINE

Wednesday, January 7, 2009

Oscar J. Grant III, 22, was shot in the back and killed by 27-year-old Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) police officer Johannes Mehserle early on New Year’s Day.

John L. Burris, long-time civil rights attorney who is representing Grant’s family, called the death “the worst I’ve ever seen in a shooting case” and said that it “cries out for criminal prosecution.” The family filed a $25-million wrongful death claim against the agency Tuesday.

Graphic video of Grant’s death shows Mehserle shooting the unarmed Grant in the back as he lay face down while other officers restrained him.

Just a day later, a police officer in Bellaire, Texas, shot Robert Tolan, the 23-year-old son of World Series Champion Bobby Tolan outside of their home.

Two young, black, unarmed men shot by those who are supposed to serve and protect. What are we going to do about this?

FORMER KILPATRICK AIDE SENTENCED

On Tuesday, Christine Beatty, former chief of staff for former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, reported to jail for obstruction of justice stemming from their text-messaging sex scandal case. She will serve 120 days behind bars.

In September, Kilpatrick resigned as mayor and pleaded guilty to two felony obstruction of justice charges stemming from his efforts to cover up his relationship with Beatty. He is currently serving his sentence in the Wayne County jail.

2009 TO BE YEAR OF TOTAL DECLINE

According to American investor and financial commentator Jim Rogers, the American economy in 2009 will probably be worse than World War II. Check out his recent interview with Bloomberg Television.

What are your thoughts on the economy?

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163 Comments


1.

Money

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I pray it doesnt get that bad or Im moving…

2.

Mike J.

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

We ALL need to take a stand for something and take action regarding this issue of police killing our brothers… Something has to be done about this, we can no longer just sit back and watch and hope for something to be done but stand up and take action!!

3.

haitian diva

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA :-)

4.

Mike J.

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

As for the economy, it’s definitely going to get WORSE before it gets better so we all must be prepared. Stop spending and trying to keep up with the next person but rather save for hard times.

5.

Vicky

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

AGH!!! Can’t watch video ’til I get off from work!

6.

Vicky

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Lord, have mercy on this family for they need You now more than ever before.

Amen

7.

Vicky

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Something told me Kilpatrick was gonna get in office and act a clown. That’s a darn shame.

8.

Greg

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I saw that video about the guy getting shot by the police yesterday. Its so sad that the murderous asshole probably wont see the inside of a jail cell for what he did to that man. The man was unarmed and laying on his stomach what threat did he pose? And I’m supposed to be afraid of terrorists? Naw police are the real terrorists.

9.

Jenny J

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

This is a shame, and it breaks my heart. I hope everyone gets what they deserve. This just isnt right!

10.

myopia

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I cannot watch the video of the young man being shot in the back. It’s hard enough for me just hearing about it.

11.

Leah

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

That was so sad to watch. I am so mad that he had to die this way. I just feel like that could be any man of color be it being my father, brother or cousin. Why must they disregard our lives as less then theirs? I was feeling so good about the country and now they go and do this. I guess they wanna show us they still run everything but I know that GOD is in control. My prayers to the family and I pray to that Gods Will will be done.

12.

Aspell

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

what can we do really?at least now? Cops will always be racists bastards who have lawyers and judges on their side. In their eyes we are black ppl who only get what we deserve, we are worth less then the bullet it takes to kill us. White ppl have been a historically evil group, first killing and enslaving our Indian brothers, then turning to us when they were no longer useful. The whole time using the bible to justify their actions.

And they are glorified and idolized everyday

Its in their blood, the evil that is.

The only thing we can do is force their hand with education and push our way to their positions and look out for each other.

For they will never look out for us.

13.

Knuck

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

These MURDERS are absolutely ridiculous! Using a taser is bad enough, but shooting some1 while they are face down? DISGUSTING. And they need to rot.

14.

You Ain't Worth It If I Gotta Camouflage!!!!

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

This is nothing new, it happens all the time. These law enforcement officers (use that term lightly) need to be punished, do some hard time or something. If it’s happening continuously then obviously the punishments are not harsh enough. Give them jail time in general population and I guarantee that the others will take more caution and don’t just be running around cities gun happy.
The police are the most crooked mofos ever!!!!!!!!!!

15.

bassackwards

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Unfortunately Obama has walked into a hornets nest concerning the economy (and others) hopefully he will employ the right individuals to help get the USA out of this slump, we cannot just rely on the government, we all must do our part.

16.

trini

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I am not being insensitive, but honestly guys, things like black people getting killed happens everyday. what is more, I find it very appalling that you report on something only when it has to do with white people killing black men. black men kill themselves in alarmingly higher numbers. do a report on that. on top of that, why not put the focus on the droves of black women who also fall victim to dangerous black men. this posting is tragic, but there should be focus on the havoc that black males (because lets be honest black women are not shooting each other up in record numbers) wreak on the Black community (if there even is a black community left to call it that).

17.

TASHA31

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

OMG, this was so sad and disturbing to watch at the same time. I can only imagine what this family is going through and to be able to actually see the video that took your child’s life has to be heart wrenching. And by the reaction of the cop after he shot him just says it all. I hope they put his a$$ under the jail and throw away the key but that’s wishful thinking. I’m sure they’ll find some kind of way to weasel themselves out of it. THEY always do!!! My heart goes out to this family and I’m sure the Attorney they have working for them will do all he can to see that justice is served. I believe this is the same Attorney who handled the Rodney King issue.

18.

Happiness is a Choice...Be The Best YOU There Is...

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

That is so sad and not that any amount of money will bring him back but I hope the family is monitarily compensated for the assassination. Because if he was face down and unarmed it’s more then “wrongful death” in my opinion.

19.

MsFlyAsTheSky(TheOriginalDonDiva)

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Im not surprised nor am i shocked. But whats really new CL??? Our young brothers brag about killin each other daily…rap music…..tv….the streets…the main ppl that are killin our brothers is our brothers…so B4 WE CAN get the justice system to stop killin our brothers we gotta first get our brothers to stop pointlessly killin and destroying each other, daily. ITS sad but what can we do, Its takes something like this to make people realize our brothers are dying senselessly??? Im a sister that is for rasing our young black men into REAL STRONG FEARLESS SUCCESSFUL WISE MEN so that we can have more BLACKS IN UNIFORMS INSTEAD OF GANGSTA BLING BLING FOOLISH GEAR or PRISION GEAR…we need more BLK JUDGES, POLICTICIANS, POLICE OFFICERS ETC ETC. Because this world is truly ugly and mostly in AMERICA the main ones callin the shots and gainin all the power are white people. The only real change that will come, is when this world is officially over. Or, when our ppl finnally realize the in order to REALLY survive we gotta stick together….and the complection of our skin is beneath that importance.

20.

queen tee

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

i hope that fake ass cop rot!!! that was wrong and trust me he will pay for that either with his LIFE or JAIl TIME!! You better believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

21.

M.LOVE

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

This is so outrageous!!! It was unnecessary!! That officer must be dealt with! Thank GOD folks around had enough sense to capture the happening and the courage to forward the video! To the officer…..how unfortunate AND justified would it be for someone to pin him down on the floor and fatally shoot him in the back…or better yet his child or father.

22.

Cublktigress

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ Trini

black women may be shooting each other up, but black women are now more violent than ever whether it be towards each other or their boyfriends or children and often times they are the instigators or main reason why black males are killing off each other…something is very wrong in the black community. We need to do better. We need the spirit of black folks in those times where things were supposedly “separate but equal” they most often stuck together because their life depended on it…Well even here today people our life and especiallly the life of our children are depending on it.

23.

Cublktigress

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

typo…”may NOT be”

24.

Juicy SuperStar

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

This is very sad. Yes Black Men do kill each other but when you become an armed officer you are held in higher regard and to a higher standard of trust. How can you tell children not to commit crimes when Officers are out commiting crimes. This is sad and horrible.

I hope our economy gets better. My stocks are making money so I hope it keeps going up.

25.

dukesman2000

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

It’s been open season on the Black man. Amadou Diallo, Timothy Stansbury, Sean Bell, Oscar J. Grant III and countless other Black men who have fallen victims to this pseudo-KKK posse known as the police force. I feel like our youths are sitting ducks only waiting to be murdered by the police whenever these racist bastards feel the itch to see the blood of a n*gger’s flowing in the streets. Rev. Al Sharpton, God bless his souls, but now is not the time to be marching and preaching. People, do not fool yourselves, there is only one way to stop this – violence begets violence and evil only respects greater evil. America will not think twice about going to war and turning countries in virtual parking lots if it believes its country or interests around the world are being threatened. So how in the world could America look at a black man today and expect him to remain calm when he is being targeted and murdered by these racist cops? If there is going to be a funeral processing for you, your son, husband, nephew, cousin or friend; let there be a funeral procession at the police headquarters. At whatever cost, Black people’s biggest cause is to stop the Black man’s blood from spilling. What’s the Black man’s life worth? If you haven’t figured it out as yet – NOTHING! How many times have we seen a cop kill a Black man and he is put on “paid leave” or “administrative duties?” You might say I am an extremist - that is fine with me. The Black man here in America is in an extremely bad condition. You show me a black man who isn’t an extremist and I’ll show you one who needs to have his head checked.

26.

Aspell

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@CUBLKTIGRESS

So black women are behind the violence because they are “instigators” LMAO!! ur off. black women are guilty of having too many damn babies and being video hoes and unprotected sex but violence? Puh-lease.

27.

JUJU

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@cublktigress
come on now violent? get you facts together 98% of crimes in the black community are done by black men (MOST SENSELESS)

28.

Juicy SuperStar

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

An Officer shots and unarmed man in the back and somehow this turns into an argument about blk on blk violence. Has nothing to do with this case.

29.

Cublktigress

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ Aspell

Often times those black males come from black mothers who are violent themselves…take that and couple it with a single parent home you get these misguided youths who dont give a crap about anything or anyone….Violence does not necessarily mean killing somebody, violence is action whether it be just fighting, going off and getting all up in peoples face, throwing things at people please all you have to do is turn on the tv on some show especially reality tv you see that behavior in the black women all the time. Do you read the news? (I do mean more than local)…Do you go outside? Have you seen the dvds with the ghetto fights…hell check youtube, and on the real it’s not even limited to just black females. Let’s not play ignorant.

30.

Cublktigress

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ juju

where’s proof of that stat? they may be doing the killing, but like I said in post 29, that’s not the only form of violence. Just because one form is not as severe does not make it any better.

31.

the_one

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

To answer the question I am going to pray that God protects our young black men and for those who have committed these crimes be brough to justice. We need to have a call to action, we need to stop this madness. What are we to do, how many marches do we have organize and law sutis must be filed. When will they train these officers that a black man doesn’t equal criminal or target.

32.

MissNee

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Oakland Bart Police?

33.

SHAY

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

its so sad, people so sad. all we can do is pray. don’t doubt god, he knows what he’s doing and he has a plan. “I’ve gone through the fire, and I’ve been through the flood, I’ve been broken, into pieces, seen lightning flash, from above, but throug it all, I remember, that he loves me, and he cares, and he’ll never, put more on me, than I can bear…no he’ll never, put more on me, than i can bear.”

35.

JUJU

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@cublktigress
if killing someone is not violent what is it! I know you probably got that your lil info from some BS STATS!(dont believe everything you read) what im saying is hardcore evidence with the numbers behind it regarding blackmen not some study etc

36.

London speaks

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

This is OUTRAGE!

Everyday my people are dying. Black men need to LOVE and APPRICATE black woman and Black woman need to comfort and sympathise with our men so we can procreate and replenish the precious lives that are being lost and thus preserve our race and grow.

We neeed to educate ourselves and free ourselves from mental slavery so we can build our community once again and stick together.

We are losing our culture and heritage and we need to regain it people, we need to regain it! do not let our ancestors die for nothing or these racist pigs get the better of us. Stay strong and support each other. One love.

37.

JUJU

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

oh and on the reality tv thing that mess is scripted to bring in ratings…

38.

Brittany

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Big up to the CL for posting about the bart shooting because Im from Oakland and this Bart station is right by house and its sad how the police officer who did this might get away with it and never see the inside of the jail. And the guy who was killed was unarmed and not a threat to the bart officers.

And its also horrible how police could shoot someone outside their own home…I dont know what that situation was but i doubt that using a gun was the only way to go about solving it.

39.

Nadia

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@MissNee BART is the subway system in the San Francisco Bay Area

Protest the BART Police Murder of Oscar Grant today, Jan. 7th from 3-7pm @ Fruitvale BART in Oakland

40.

T.Lynn

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

He did that shit because officers face no consequences what-so-ever for those types of incidents. It seems to me the people have the opportunity to charge him with flat out murder. But I wouldn’t be suprised if he working next week

41.

JUDAH

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I can tell that “CUBLKTIGRESS” is telling the truth because the sea monsters are trying to attack her, lol. I read the reponses to your post before I even read your post and I knew you had to be speaking the truth because the black woman hates to be taken to task for anything. Here’s a story on a black man being shot to death, face down, while handcuffed and the only thing that many of these black women can conjure up in their peabrains is how much they hate the black man. Then when I comment on that, I’m “hateful”, lmao. These are the same females shaking their half-naked behinds in some club to a song that also promotes the violence that they claim to despise. The real problem is that the young black male is imbued with images of white superiority and black female worship from their youth upward. They are taught to view other black men as 1) competition 2) a threat 3) the enemy. Those views are encouraged by many, not all sisters, that force them into these churches and teach them that Christ, the Most High, and the angels were all caucasian, but “color doesn’t matter”, lol (which is actually code for “coloreds” do not matter). Then you wait until the young black man, who’s mind you have perverted from infancy is 13 years old and up, violent as hell, and has no respect for anything but the gun to try to analyze his mindset and start another bullsh*t “program”. The problem starts from the womb, so the solution starts from the womb.

The black man needs to get a greater unerstanding, or just a basic understanding, of who his enemies are. That is how ORDER is restored. Unfortunately, you cannot put new wine in old bottles and you cannt teach 25 year old black men how to act correctly when their minds have been perverted from childhood in this perverse land.

42.

Cublktigress

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ juju I said killing is not the only form of violence..please read….and I did not have any stats listed…please read again….and I did not say that black men don’t commit a lot of crimes (you should definitely thoroughly read) I’m just sayin you can’t turn a blind eye as to how the acts of violence has increased among black females and alot of that you don’t hear about on national news (do some research please)..the number of black women in jail has increased (you can look that up to) ..No one should believe everything you read or see on the news as a form of statistics because if you knew anything about the media it’s romanticized and skewed to generate a response like you always hear about white on black crimes but never the black on white (there’s a whole website dedicated to that and it’s just as horrendous and appalling) and you hardly ever hear about the black girl or black woman that’s missing because it will not generate that response and ratings that they are looking for like the white woman or child…

If you want to know what violence means hear you go:

1. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing: crimes of violence.
2. The act or an instance of violent action or behavior.
3. Intensity or severity, as in natural phenomena; untamed force: the violence of a tornado.
4. Abusive or unjust exercise of power.
5. Abuse or injury to meaning, content, or intent: do violence to a text.
Vehemence of feeling or expression; fervor.

but that’s neither hear nor there….God bless to both of these families

43.

Soul Cookbook

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

“Two young, black, unarmed men shot by those who are supposed to serve and protect. What are we going to do about this?”

Not a damn thing. Well, black WOMEN will be on the front lines marching and crying and weeping and black men will be…

Oh wait. They’re busy crying on the internet about black women STEALING black manhood and raising thugs and gangsters. And other such nonsense.

Whatever, I am over it. The only black men that get sympathy from me are the ones I know personally like my father and my husband. I am saddened that two people lost their lives, but like someone else said we seem to only cry “foul” when black men are victims of white racists but are silent when black WOMEN are victims of black male racists.

For every police shooting of an unarmed black man, there are at least a dozen black women facing physical violence, intimidation and dehuminization in the so-called black community. But where is the outrage then? Why is it not OK to call black male predators “disgusting” and “hope they rot in hell”.

This double standard is literally killing black women and children all to protect the black man’s ego? Whatever.

44.

MissNee

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ Nadia

I know. I live in Oakland. In the title it says Oakland Bart Police and there is no such thing. It’s either Oakland PD or BartPd

45.

Miss. Tiandez Jones

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I am deeply outraged by these recent murders…ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, IT HAS BEEN ENOUGH!

…and they wonder why we don’t trust the cops. So corrupt. I pray that there is some justice out there and that the feds don’t try to cover this ish up too.

46.

The Truth

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

What a black man being killed by a cop? What’s new here? It’s a shame.

The economy: Well we should’ve known that was going to happen. America reminds me of a fat man, who stole other people(the world) food, and placed on his table. He would go to different places stealing to put their food on his table; and when he gets back to his city(US citizens); he would bring them different tropical foods. The thing is he would just give them(US citizens), the crumbs he didn’t want, as to not get them rebellion against him.
He sits at the table of variety of things he stole, and eat and eat and eat until one day he get a bad case of indigestion, and finally die from gluttony. On top of that he wanted everyone to come and cure him.

God gives a man enough rope to hang himself.

Over 200 years ago: You came here and killed the “Native Americans” never apologized, and never gave them back the land and money you stoled. Check
Brought Africans here to build America; after they were done, you decided to try to kill them off. Fabricate lies after lies to make them out to be beasts. Check
Created diseases of local and national use. Check
Still going around the world expoiting others, causing wars, and hatred. Check

Americans: Still as brain washed as ever. Terrorist are after us, lol! Check
African-Americans still suffer from brain washing, they still believe that whitey includes him in his plans. Check
California, Arizona, Mexico, Texas and southern Colorado, Florida belong to Mexico; so how are the Mexicans illegals? Even if you stole my car for five years and drove around in it, it still doesn’t make it your car. Got my point?

So, The Thieves of American and your decendents now. Do you expect God to continue your acts against nations? Do you expect to continue to get fat and rich stealing from others?
I mean come on people who want to understand. America is well over due for a melt down. Never in history has God allow one nation to stay on top; especially when they are evil and as evil as America.

God Bless America? for what? Don’t be crazy! especially as a black person. Do you think God should only bless America? How selfish is that prayer. Do you only pray God bless you and your family and forget about others? Don’t insult God with that stupid, selfish prayer. Everytime I see or hear a black person in America, say “God, bless America” I’m always amused. Being a people who are oppressed; how can you make such a selfish prayer? Is America the only one worthy of a prayer for blessing?

God Bless the World!!!!!

47.

GOLDEN

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

This is truly sad.

I hope that justice is served in that case, and that this draws NATIONAL attention. How can you shoot someone who is lying flat on their back unarmed? The jury should truly see the horror and injustice in this case. Please please let something be done about this. This could be my brother, b/f, friend, just anybody. And it is a shame that people are up in here arguing back and forth when this case is much more than that. Why are we turning on one another? Focus on causing an outcry about this situation.

Don’t you get it? That’s what the cops want us to do!! They want us to fight amongst ourselves, without FIGHTING THEM. There is a MURDERER out there on the police force, and that’s what we should focus on. Getting justice and causing an outcry for this young man who was gunned down for no reason at all. It could have been avoided but he was just shot in the back, IN THE BACK. WHILE ON THE FLOOR. This is too much for anyone to bare. But please just focus on the real situation at hand. This is truly horrible and I hope justice will be served.

Blessing to the family. May God be with you.

48.

Ami

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

This is a catastrophe. We are scared as hell as a race of people to ruffle the white man’s feathers. Because they have taught us that living like a coward and dying like a bi*ch is the best thing out. All in hopes of achieving the fallacy of the “American Dream”.

Black people are so darn scary when things like this happens they say “Well, what about all the black on black crime?” What!!?? You got to be effin kidding me!!! That shows you right there how heartless we are as a people, and I mean cowardly lion heartless.

I agree that, marching has it time and place. Other times, bloodshed and DEATH is the only way people get the picture. This has happened for thousands of years. With all due respect, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Al Sharpton, etc, can not change that dynamic.

I know someone that has racist police in their city and they unjustifiably shoot black men and you know what? Black people retaliate and shoot the cops! I believe that is the only way the will think twice about killing our people. The uncertainty of DEATH has to be looming over there heads, not the threat of administrative leave of loosing their jobs. Come on, who would really take that serious… Would you?

49.

Vash

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I agree with Judah and Cublktigress, we have too many issues going on with ourselves that need to be addressed. When we resolve those issues then we can have a battle with the white man.

50.

ThaTruth

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I hope they get every single penny of the 25 million, although it may not heal their total loss.
Why? and what the hell were the other officers just looking? He could have shot more

51.

JUJU

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

CUBLK
I understand killing is not the only form of violence but I feel taking someone life tops the list! And almost all the violent crimes you named men tops the list.but you have your opinion and I have mine

52.

Vicky

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

CAN THEY PLEASE TAKE THAT VIDEO OFF THE NET?!?!
I KNOW HIS FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS ARE QUITE UPSET ABOUT THIS INCIDENT AND MAYBE ABRUPTLY VIEWING IT ON TV WILL HURT DEEPLY.

53.

JUDAH

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Nothing should be taken off the net. Our people need to see what the devil does when he thinks no one is watching (Psalms 10:8-11). If it offends you, don’t click on it.

54.

THERE IS A JAY-Z/RIHANNA S*X TAPE IN EXISTENCE

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

The next time a brother is considering killing another brother he should think twice and instead turn around and shoot a white cop instead. I am serious. I truly believe that murdering black men makes these white cracker cops’ dicks get hard. I really think it’s time for war. Black-on-black murdering needs to stop and blacks need to begin murdering white cops instead.

55.

TooMuch

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Hey everyone, stop fighthing. You all are right in your own way. I agree with CUBLK
and JUJU, I think murder is the worst; but you usually start off with some other type of violent behavior before you kill somebody

We have this same situation going on as we type in New Orleans. Yes we are the murder capital of the U.S. and the cops here have a right to be extra cautious. But we had 7 cops shoot 14 rounds into a 23 year old black guys back (they said he shot 1st) 7 cops!!!!

Its crazy everywhere, Blacks are dying everyday!! WE MUST DO BETTER!!

This starts with us.

56.

naenae

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

i live in oakland and i went by the place where he got shot. It was extremely sad because i have never seen anything like it before.

57.

dukesman2000

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Hey Judah,

This is off topic but I have to respond to your comment to me in a previous post.

You are wrong again. Constantine invented the Catholic Church. While Christianity actually existed before Constantine, it was actually a minor sect of Judaism. Several of the European belief systems were combined with the belief of the Jewish people who had considered Jesus to be their Rabbi. Jesus Christ of Nazareth birthed Christianity in the area of Jerusalem. You must remember that Constantine did not actually become a Christian until he was an old man on his death bed. That was when he was baptized and professed that Jesus is Lord. During his life he did not surrender to Christ. He simply changed the law so that it was no longer illegal to be Christian. Which was quite prudent of him given that Christianity was steadily growing and soon he might have been fed to the lions.

Let’s repsect this thread and stick to the topic at hand. Thanks….

58.

LikeIWasSayin

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

MARCHiNG–PROTESTiNG–AND SCREAMiNG FOUL iSN’T GOiNG TO DO SHiT…iM SORRY TO SAY THAT BUT WE ALL KNOW iTS TRUE. HOW MANY TiMES HAS A SiTUATiON LiKE THiS HAPPENED? HOW MANY TiMES HAVE WE HAD TO ENDURE THiS??–HAVE WE NOT STOMPED OUR FEET iN THE PAVEMENT HARD ENUFF? WE’VE CRiED OUR TEARS–WE’VE FOUGHT FOR JUSTiCE…BUT…WHERES THE REWARD? WHERE’S THiS WOMANS SON? THE SONS LOST BEFORE HiM…THE FATHERS..DAUGHTERS…AND MOTHERS..???

THiS iS GOiNG TO CONTiNUE TO HAPPEN…

iT MiGHT NOT BE TELEVISED…
OR CAUGHT ON A CELL..
BUT iT HAPPENS EVERY FUCKiNG DAY..

WEATHER WE SEE iT OR NOT…
WEATHER YOU WANNA BELiEVE iT…OR TURN A BLiND EYE AND ACT LiKE SHiTS GON CHANGE TOMORROW….

ALL WE CAN DO IS PRAY. FORGIVE. AND CONTINUE TO PRAY… i PRAY FOR THiS COPS FAMILY– THE ViCTiMS FAMiLY…AND THOSE WHO WiTNESSED THE SHOOTiNG…

59.

JUDAH

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@Daisy

I’ll respond to this on the other thread.

60.

Foxyd

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

And lets not forget the young man gunned down in Augusta GA by police officers.

61.

Bay Areas Finest

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Rally against BART police today! 3-7pm FRUITVALE BART STATION!

62.

YoYo

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Our so called justice system needs to be completely overhauled. Rich get away with anything and if you are poor you are screwed doesn’t matter the skin color. Trust me, there are poor whites who get harrassed/murdered by the police as well. You just don’t hear about it or most minorities don’t pay it no attention unless it is another minority.

63.

dukesman2000

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@YOYO

Find me a story of a white man who was murdered by the police. I have never heard of any. There was one recently in NY where the cop tasered a mentality disturbed man and he fell to his death. That was a mistake. The cop never meant to kill him. The cop even committed suicide. We are talking about cold blooded murder; cold blooded murder like Amadou Diallo, Timothy Stansbury, Sean Bell and Oscar J. Grant III

64.

THERE IS A JAY-Z/RIHANNA S*X TAPE IN EXISTENCE

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@49, who wrote the message I’ve pasted below - you are SO on point with this. I’m with you 100%

“Ami
Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /
This is a catastrophe. We are scared as hell as a race of people to ruffle the white man’s feathers. Because they have taught us that living like a coward and dying like a bi*ch is the best thing out. All in hopes of achieving the fallacy of the “American Dream”.

Black people are so darn scary when things like this happens they say “Well, what about all the black on black crime?” What!!?? You got to be effin kidding me!!! That shows you right there how heartless we are as a people, and I mean cowardly lion heartless.

I agree that, marching has it time and place. Other times, bloodshed and DEATH is the only way people get the picture. This has happened for thousands of years. With all due respect, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Al Sharpton, etc, can not change that dynamic.

I know someone that has racist police in their city and they unjustifiably shoot black men and you know what? Black people retaliate and shoot the cops! I believe that is the only way the will think twice about killing our people. The uncertainty of DEATH has to be looming over there heads, not the threat of administrative leave of loosing their jobs. Come on, who would really take that serious… Would you?”

65.

dukesman2000

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

YoYo..Find me a story of a white man who was murdered by the police. I have never heard of any. There was one recently in NY where the cop tasered a mentality disturbed man and he fell to his death. That was a mistake. The cop never meant to kill him. The cop even committed suicide. We are talking about cold blooded murder; cold blooded murder like Amadou Diallo, Timothy Stansbury, Sean Bell and Oscar J. Grant III

67.

TeTe

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

this just makes me so fkin sick…and regardless of black on black crimes,this is STILL wrong….i dont care if it was a white man,this is wrong!!the guy was face down,no gun,nothing so what could he have done to these bastards?and they have the baton things,whatever the fk they are,why the hell would he pull a gun out…this is ridiculous and quite franky,IT DOESNT SURPRISE me one bit!

i’ve had an encounter with a police officer myself so i know how this bullish feels..im just sick of it.

68.

Ari

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Protest outside Fruitvale BART Station Wednesday, January 7 from 3 - 7. If you are out in the Bay Area, please come out and support. Shout out to J. Dakar and CL for posting this. It may be local news but it’s a nationwide problem as we see in Texas.

WE ARE ASKING:

1) All officers involved be taken off duty without pay, and fully prosecuted;
2) That the U.S. Justice Department investigate the incident as a violation of civil rights;
3) That BART establish an independent citizens’ review board for its officers; and
4) That the BART police officers be disarmed!

69.

THERE IS A JAY-Z/RIHANNA S*X TAPE IN EXISTENCE

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Let’s start killing cops. Let’s pin the muthas down on the ground and then bust a cap in their back and in the back of their heads. See how they enjoy that!

70.

Cublktigress

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ juju

I agree taking someone’s life is most severe. I never said it wasnt, but we will never fix the black on black crimes in our communities if we turn a blind eye to the underlying issues which include both male and female counterparts. … We’ll just agree to disagree on the rest. People should really sit down and have these “real” types of discussions even though they may make you angry and want to fight, but in the adult stage of life you’re supposed to be able to have a disagreement without resulting to juvenile behavior which is often the case. Not saying you did that, but thats often how people react when you tell them something they don’t want to hear.

Aspell brought up a great point about women having too many babies. Usually in those types of situations the mother has to work and take care of all those babies by herself puttng them in the low income bracket and well let’s face it some mothers put themselves before their kids….Some kids from those situations fall by the wayside and mesmerized by drug dealers and their money (since they don’t have any) along with the flock of females they keep. .., the false sense family and acceptance they find in a gang….This issue is one of those underlying problems that contribute whether directly or indirectly…I

However, I don’t mean to cause an argument, just an open discussion and I do realize how unjust and upsetting these situations were. History repeats itself except now they have badges, financial power, control of the media, they still use our own people to punish and control us, brought in drugs, guns, made us more materialistic..You think Gucci, Louis V, and Prada give a damn about your community but yet we spend all our dough buying that shit when you can get the same thing from the guy on the corner for $10. You’re paying for someones name or brand and it didn’t cost them 1/4 of the amount you spin to manufacture it (upgraded form of mental conditioning). I’m not saying all white people are bad (so please dont make that assumption), because there’s good and bad people in every race and gender. This is something that was started long before we got here and has since advanced.

71.

Cublktigress

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

spin…lol…spend…..you know what I meant….

72.

THERE IS A JAY-Z/RIHANNA S*X TAPE IN EXISTENCE

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Enough of this ish about black on black violence. The pigs are PAID to PROTECT and SERVE us. They are not paid to murder us. They need to be held to a higher standard. This is about white crack pig scum MURDERING our black men. And getting away with it every time. Don’t you realize they actually enjoy and get a real kick out of murdering a black man just for the fun of it. It makes them feel powerful and God-like. They are getting away with doing whatever they like to us. I mean, honestly, what the HELL made those crackers think it was OK for them to sodomize Abner with the broom handle?? Admittedly in the Louima case they did get punished but it astounds me how these crackers think they can abuse and murder blacks just for fun. It really is time to give the cops a good whuppin and start killing them left and right.

73.

THERE IS A JAY-Z/RIHANNA S*X TAPE IN EXISTENCE

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

kill all cops

74.

Just Jizz

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Where is my gotdarn post?

75.

Just Jizz

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

NEXT TIME A COP PULLS YOU OVER - SHOOT THE CRACKER IN THE FACE AND GO “HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW?” TO HIS WIDOW

76.

JUDAH

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Lmao at “Just Jizz”. I’ve never seen an incident where a cop was killed where I felt the least bit of sorrow. Unfortunately black people are not in the position to police ourselves. It is a curse when people of another race act as law enforcers, arbiters, or judges over you in any capacity.

77.

LikeIWasSayin

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@74

Then watch that widow join the boys in blue..take you and your whole family out and reply “I like you a whole lot now…dumb nigger…”

Im just sayin….

the violence is just gonna continue… :-(

78.

LikeIWasSayin

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I feel bad for the cops that really do want to protect and serve us..

79.

ZULU

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

The pig’s name and address are a matter of public record, so what is the victim’s father waiting for? I wish some f*ggot pig would shoot my child. That would be his last action on earth.

Secondly, reading this post, it is becoming real clear to me that a lot of black females are truly fvcked up in the head.

80.

MissNee

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

75.

My husband is a cop and if someone did this shit to me, you better watch out cause I would have no problem taggin’ your ass back with my 229.

81.

FallBackHaters

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ #1- Just stay in your country. No point moving the whole world will soon be in recession. No escaping that ish.

@ #47- Well said.

SMH. Racism still alive they be just concealing it!! Amen Kanye said it all. The sad thing is that this ish is going on all over the world. The white police offiicers think just because they wear a fcuking badge they the king of the world. They ain’t shit.
The poor man’s family. I see white supremecy still lives on, smh.

82.

Fall Back

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Yea there is a video but maybe all of you should wait until everything comes out. Like other people said, people get shot and killed everyday and no one makes a post about it in uproar or sues. But when an officer is involved they are supposed to be so evil. Police officers have families and are mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters to so many people that you may know. So fall back and save your comments until the whole investigation is over. Yea there is a video footage but you can’t see everything in that video, but if it was a mistake or misuse on the officers part it will come out. Woah is a society where it’s people have no faith in their officers (those officers who do their job correctly for them). Instead of being upset, join the force and make a difference.

83.

sowhat_12345678

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

To all you who keep saying that you’re surprised and astonished at the level of racism that still prevails in america…YOUR the ones who should be shot.

This shit should not surprise you. I hate it when black folks are surprised about these things.

84.

Theworldwillendin2012

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I don’t even understand why a Transit system police officer carries a gun!!! They are kinda like mall cops, aren’t they?

85.

MI

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

this is such a damn shame…it disgusts me!

86.

sigh

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ 75

LMAO!

87.

Low Lo

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

In My Opioin i personally feel sorry for his family and there loss and there aare loads of racist people out there i.e. Spanish People u shoulda seen the shit that happened to lewis hamilton when he went to spain it was uncalled for for that shit to be allowed if u ask me. And i think its wrong to steryo type white people as racist because in all races there are people who are racist towards other races. And its also on how people are raised and brought up by there parents its the parents resonablity to teach there kids right and wrong and to treat people eqaully which i no will never happen. POLICE think there the shit as well but the goverment needs to learn how to employ normal citizens not crazy psycos.

-1-

88.

TONY MONTANA

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

AINT that the cop was racist he was just trying to pull out his taser but the negro was moving aroun and the guy starled the police officers. Maybe if black men stopped getting in trouble and being on the streets, and hanging around the wrong people, these incidents wouldnt happen. Also let the POLICE OFFICER DO HIS JOB. Before he arrested this negro, you dont know what the officers dealt with before.

89.

UM...I GUESS

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

NOOOOOOO!!! why does the economy have to be so bad when i’m nearing the end of my college days and inching toward the “real world”!?!? man, i might as well stay in school since i more than likely WON’T get a job, or a good one at least… *smh*

90.

TONY MONTANA

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

Lets stop blaming the government. Democracy is for the people by the people. And during this economic crisis, now were trying to stop being like black folk, spending money that we dont have. taking your welfare check and buying clothes and weaves with that check. Now its catching up to yall. Not everyone is hurting. It just black america is never prepared for this crisis. We just want to blame the government just like Katrina. People need to start helping people and investing their money into something effiecient. You dont see yall FAVORITE SINGERS RIHANNA,CIARA, AND BEYONCE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, WHILE YALL INVESTING MONEY IN THEM, YALL GOING BROKE. LETS STOP TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND LETS DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THIS IS AMERICA PEOPLE THE GREATEST COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!

91.

NO ID

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@43 I hear you,sis and you’re right about the violence against black women. But that’s another post. Damn, it’s 2009 and the shit is on already!
I do think that although families deserve the punitive damages from a murder like this, it would be wonderful if instead of always going for a lawsuit, people whose children are killed like this instead go for becoming vocal proponents of legislation that puts limits on what police can do to suspects in custody.

This is why Eric Holder needs to become AG and get the Justice Department back on track. Let’s hope this is one of the first cases he takes up.

92.

JUDAH

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@83

Wow, “So What”…is that you, lol? You sound like a completely different person. Me likes.

93.

GinaRae

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

They shot this kid in the back. We all saw it. I live here in the Bay Area two stations past fruitvale and take BART every day to and from work. BART police on the whole are good to have around and great protection if you need an escort in the evenings. But come on… the kid was already on the ground on his stomach face down. To shoot a man in the back? Even if the cop had meant to do it with a taser was bullshit. He should have told the kid to stop resisting if that were the case because it would result in him getting tasered. It’s policy in the same way a cop is not supposed to simply pull his gun and fire a direct shot without warning the suspect first or danger is overtly apparent. This is some BULLSHIT. He was face down. I’d say the same thing even if this was a white kid who’d been shot.

94.

Greatestloveofall

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

It is 2009. Hate to say it but accept fate—racism and white supremacy still pervades American society and white American consciousness. No amont of black Presidents can change that simple reality. Not to mention the destruction going on within the black community.

96.

queenarcher12

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I live in San Francisco and I was outraged when I saw this shooting. I have ridden BART and have never spoken or been accosted by a BART cop except to let a dog sniff my laptop bag (only during 9/11). People in Oakland and the rest of the Bay Area are really angry about this. Right now on the news, the protests have turned into a riot. People are setting things on fire and destroying cop cars. They are sending riot police into Oakland and they closed the Fruitvale BART. There are lots of workers that will have to stay overnight in San Francisco or take alot of buses to get home.

97.

JUDAH

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@Missnee

That means that your ass would have to go too. The time for you house n*ggers and your addiction to this system is coming to an end. I remember when I would say that this system is going to crumble only a year ago, people would attack me. Now, not only is it crumbling, it is finished and America is a dead man walking. The only thing left is for the people to realize that it is time to settle old scores. You blacks in the police departments and the armed forces will be forced to choose a side. You’d better choose wisely because the white man doesn’t forget and he doesn’t forgive.

98.

Have Not Thought Of A New User Name

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

I know I’m going to get attacked for this, but as a Bay Area native and someone who rides Bart often, I feel the need to say this, I do not believe this shooting was intential. I really believe the officer was intending on pulling his taser and just grabbed the wrong gun. I know because he was unarmed, hancuffed, and Black people want to immediatley say race played a roll, but I really don’t thnk it did.

I am probably the only Black person here that believes believes race was not a factor, but with all the officer involved shootings in the pass year where I do believe race was a factor I see how people came to that conclusion.

I pray for everybody involved.

99.

Have Not Thought Of A New User Name

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

@ 84.Theworldwillendin2012

Something always happening in on BART I have seen several violent crimes while riding BART. I park my car at the BART and I parying that I get back to it ok. People have commited sucide on BART (it happened three separate times when I was riding BART), robbed people, fight, commit back roberies and then hop on a train ect. All kinds of stuff happens on the BART Trains.

100.

fififj123

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 /

OBAMA has got to do something about this mess. This is terrorism. He needs to appoint a federal task force that target these “badge murderers” OBAMA, What are you going to do about this!! I am so sick of this crap. I can’t watch the tape after seeing an officer murder a black man that was face down too in Georgia some years ago where the racist cop just walked up to him and bent down and pulled the trigger, as if it was a thrill. It is a hate crime. We need massive recruitment of minorities in law enforcement. So sick of this. God, when is true justice going to prevail for your black children???

101.

TRAILBLAZER

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Did anyone hear what the man was saying about the world economy and stock commodities?!!! If u want to change the black community then stand up and take action on the things that has an impact on the black community like the world economic system that doesn’t benefit anyone except the blue bloods! Educate urselves so that u can educate ur community! Thurgood Marshall and many others did. If it wasn’t for Marshall we wouldn’t know about legal rights. Matter in fact he even helped create new laws that benefited us. Don’t just complain about the system-change it and u can’t change one part without changing it all.

People can’t advance if they don’t have the knowledge to do it and when I say knowledge I mean the TRUTH. If we’re not marching in the streets about changing the economic bias and unethical manipulations of our money, finances, jobs, and communities then how are we ever going to stop cops from killing our men, women, and children. Everything need to be re examined and re designed, not just law enforcement. Stop with the mental poison and gain awareness about the world beyond ur corner store so that u can help that corner store grow into something that feeds the community healthy food for mind body and spirt. Ultimately our men and women may start lovin each other again. Stop allowin the divide and conquer.

102.

MsKenya74

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Concreteloop you’re the only website that gives good BLOG because you know how to fight and I was here with you when JENA 6 was in the air and I saw the impact you made. LET’S MAKE SOME NOISE AGAIN FOR OUR FALLEN BROTHER OSCAR GRANT III. Miss Info on her website gives information for us to blow up and massacre emails and phone calls to Internal Affairs and the Bart Director.

Contact BART Director Carole Ward Allen and demand an independent investigation. (510-464-6095 or email BoardofDirectors@bart.gov)

3) Call the BART police to demand immediate action: Internal Affairs: Sergeant David Chlebowski 510.464.7029,dchlebo@bart.gov; Chief of Police: Gary Gee 510.464.7022, ggee@bart.gov

PEACE AND BLESSINGS - The Militant Midget

103.

erica

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

I live in the bay and am a mother of a 20 yr old bi-racial son most of his friends are black and to address the issue of violence their mothers aren’t abusive (because they’re black? omg) right now most of our boys (we’re collectively their mothers) don’t feel comfortable riding bart because that young man could have easily been one of them. It’s clear in all the phone videos that Oscar Grant was complying with the bart police’s instructions and wasn’t actin up at all he was trying to tell his friends to co-operate and asking the bart cop not to taze him because he had a child who now doesn’t have the love of her strong father. My prayers go out to his family and friends

104.

lovely

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

How are police officers still allowed to do this with no punishment!! God help us!

105.

Jazz

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

See and u see y we hate police now and y we do certain things towards them……. I wouldnt have a inch of grief in my heart if something bad was 2 happen 2 those cops

106.

cara

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

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107.

Ari

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@82 (Fall Back)

No, we will NOT “fall back” because we all know if the tables were turned and a civilian fired and killed a police officer, even though he posed NO threat and was unarmed, the police department would be all over it demanding life imprisonment, the civilian would not be able to simply just resign from whatever position he was in and that is that. MURDER IS MURDER, whether you are a person (abusing) power or not. That man needs to be trialed on second degree murder, accident or not. Because if the tables were turned, the police department would be fighting high and low trying to seek justice for one of their own… what about one of ours! The tension will NOT cease! This same thing happened with Gary King Jr back on the Oakland streets in September 2007, except his life was taken at the hands of the Oakland Police, not BART. 40 years the nation looked to Oakland because of the Black Panthers who among many things protected and provided for the community and policed the police. We will NOT sit here and let them take us out… yes it may be bigger than a race issue but hell… it sure seems to be a coincidence how most of the time the victim is a minority male.

THURSDAY JANUARY 8 @ 9AM there will be a BART Board Meeting at the KAISER AUDITORIUM 344 20th St. Oakland, Near Lake Merritt BART Station. Come out and support! NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!

108.

cali panamami (ebay, bay!)

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

it’s definetely gonna get alot worse before it gets better.
just keep positive energy & stay prayed up (depending upon y.our religious views)

109.

JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@Have Not Thought of A New Username

Even if the cop was reaching for his taser, the man was detained and no longer a threat. What was the pretext for tasing the man; which leaves long-lasting, if not permanent, neurological damage? All type of things happen on every train line. Here in New York, people get robbed, jumped, etc. Arrest the perpetrator and let him get his day in court. You know what the real problem is? N*ggers like you that need to be hung from a damn tree until your life expires.

110.

KINGDEON-COM

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

To all,

Add more guns to the streets and the results will always be the same. Policemen have to work hard to follow all the basic procedures when arresting black men. Hand cuff then, search them, put then in the car should be the basic procedure.

This action will prevent the cops from feeling like they are threaten. Check out the movie “Do the Right Thing”, where did the victim killed by the the cops end up in the movie. In the car!

KING DEON

111.

Camille Davis

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

It hurts my heart to hear of such a tragedy. I am saddened by the events and hopeful that justice will come for Oscar Grant III, his daughter and his entire family. A positive aspect of this situation is that it was captured on tape. We cannot let this senseless killing be “for nothing”. I’m upset with the media and their choice to not make it a priority. I’m not saying condemn the cop, just cover the news the same way you would cover trivial things like Britney Spears or Brad and Angelina, put the video out and let “the People” decide. I have a three year old son, and I’m trying to raise him the right way. How can you have faith in the system when it seems doing the right thing you’re still not given a chance? My son’s father is 23 years old and it touches me to think that anything like that can happen leaving my little boy fatherless, or even that there is a possibility that it could happen to my son. Reform is due. We need someone out there right now asking the “right” questions. This issue has to be brought to light and not swept under the rug. My heart aches for you Oscar and your family. I would wish that on no one. Justice is definitely due.

112.

ZULU

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@ #99 Have Not Thought Of A New User Name:
You’re definitely right. The saddest thing is that it’s brain-dead cvnts like you that end up breeding self-hating veggies. Some people will find any excuse in the book to defend the racism of these spineless pigs. For some reason, I’m yet to see a white person being popped by cops like it’s nothing. Do everyone a favor and end your worthless existence.

@ #89:
Good to see you boring ass crackers stay obsessed with any and everything black. Good for you. I guess if you weren’t ovulating on concreteloop then you’d be raping your own sister.

113.

ZULU

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@112:
Why is your son’s father not your husband? If you ask me, that is the main “reform” you really need to be focused on.

114.

dukesman2000

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@Have Not Thought Of A New User Name

Don’t give me that “he was reaching for his taser” b*llshit. This is a seasoned cop; he knows the difference between a taser and a Glock. It is sad, but the only way some people will understand the dire situation Black people face, is if they themselves, or their loved ones fall victim to this brutality. I tell you what, if that was my brother, they might as well get me fitted for the noose or gas up the chamber.

115.

LB

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

These two cases are nothing new. Here, in Chicago, this stuff happens all the time. But, now instead of shooting, they just tazor everybody. I guess, all the homicides that they were causing were getting a little out of hand.

But, anyway, these police officiers have been out of control. They come to these neighborhoods–that they don’t live in–and they are automatically on the defensive and think that everyone they see is a criminal, or just deserves to be shot and killed.

I know that last year was especially crazy, here, because every few days, you’d hear about some cop shooting some black dude, saying that it was self defense because that person was threatening them with a weapon. But, nine times out of ten, you later find out that the person they shot and killed had no weapon at all on them.

SMH

116.

Camille

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

ZULU- Pure Ignorance, GET A LIFE, it’s not our fault you hate yourself.

117.

Cublktigress

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@ 103 ..Erica

You should probably read all the posts before you comment. It was a conversation between myself and two others..I didn’t say that every black mother is abusive nor just because they are black…the issue was addressed specifically to blk women because we were talking about the fact that someone brought up black on black crime and saying it was strictly black men who were violent. Get all the facts before you make a statement and read it thoroughly.

118.

AVENGE OSCAR GRANT'S DEATH NOW

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Hey Mom!

119.

shyshy87

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

there is NO justice when it comes to police wrong doing. just gonna get a slap on the wrist and will probably continue to practice law enforcement. crooked ass system!

120.

shyshy87

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

by the way, CL, yall posts has been SHITTY lately, and only a few posts at that. Seems like yall havent got right since the holidays.

121.

I'm out of the loop

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

can’t read all the comments…but doesn’t a taser feel a whole lot different from a gun?
If the officer can’t tell the difference before discharging the weapon…should he even have a weapon?
To the people who think it wasn’t intentional….shouldn’t somebody answer for the death anyways….or are you going to explain to his family that it was an accident?

122.

AVENGE OSCAR GRANT'S DEATH NOW

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Unfortunately I think this murderous cop is going to get away scot-free. He just resigned from the force rather than face their questions. So why haven’t they picked his azz up in a patrol car and slung him in jail? If he does get away with it I do hope somebody tracks him down and puts a bullet in his back the way he did to Oscar. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

123.

AVENGE OSCAR GRANT'S DEATH NOW

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

THE LATEST NEWS ON THIS IS THAT THE BART AUTHORITIES DEMANDED THE MURDEROUS COP ATTEND AN INTERVIEW YESTERDAY. INSTEAD OF SHOWING UP FOR THE INTERVIEW HE HAD HIS ATTORNEY ATTEND WITH HIS LETTER OF RESIGNATION. HE IS NOW CHILLING AT HOME WITH HIS KKK FRIENDS, GLOATING OVER THE FACT HE DONE SHOT HIM A NI**ER

124.

linda

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

THIS IS SO VERY VERY SAD. GOD BLESS THE FAMILY IN MAY THERE CHILD REST IN PEACE. I MEAN WHY DO ALL THESE PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE WE ELECTED A BLACK PRESIDENT THAT WE HAVE OVER CAME. WRONG. LOOK PEOPLE AMERICA IS NOT A HUMAN SOCIETY. BLACK WHITE GREEN OR PURPLE SOMETHING INSIDE OF US IS VERY WRONG AS HUMANS. WE CANNOT SAY GOD BLESS AMERICA. WHEN MOST AMERICANS DON;T BELIEVE IN GOD OR A HIGHER POWER. WE ARE A MEAN EVIL BEING ON THIS EARTH. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER ALL PEOPLE ROUND TABLE TO TRY IN FIX THIS OBAMA MAY BE A START BUT HE IS NOT THE ANSWER. IF THERE IS A SUCH THING AS AMERICA WE SHOULD BE VERY ASHAME. WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT UNJUST KILLING IN RACISM. IN AMERICA. SORRY DR KING BUT WE HAVE NOT OVER CAME.

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dukesman2000

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@AVENGE OSCAR GRANT’S DEATH NOW

The cop resigned? The playing field is leveled now.

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Nothing But Love

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Wow thats sad they shot ole boy in the back like he was an animal… smh things have to change in 09….people must change.

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Nothing But Love

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Oh yeah and as for the econmoy NOW is the time to start saving!!!!

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MWNY

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

That is sad and I think the cop should be punished however, lets not forgot about all the black on black crime that happens daily. I don’t see anyone bringing that up on blogs, where is the NAACP, Al and Jesse when black men are killing their brothers? I live in Dallas and a black guy who doesn’t have a record at all made the biggest mistake of his life by killing a local well known police officer in South Dallas or Dallas area. They weren’t even looking for him. So, we have a black man who was killed at the hands of a white cop and a white cop who was killed at the hands of a black man. Is one event greater than the other?

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JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

That shooting of Robert Tolan was just as bad. I just read that article now. I bet some of these black women will say that he shouldn’t have been driving around so late with his brother in a car that looked like it was stolen.

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JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@MWNY

Lmao, I knew that another one of you women would have to have your say lol. You black men better wake up man. Ya’ll better wake up big time and stop worrying about what these women will think if you speak the truth. The vast majority, not all, of them have been compromised because the white man has bought them off. Most of these sisters are not with you, they are with this system. They view the black man as competition and their enemies. Wake up. Then when Imus calls them nappy-headed hos, they want the black man to support them. If brothers remember correctly; through Oprah, they found a way to blame the black man for that too, lol.

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AVENGE OSCAR GRANT'S DEATH NOW

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Yes the cop has resigned and a warrant is now out for his arrest. I am praying that justice will be done. Click on the link below for the latest still from video footage of the shooting, clearly showing the officer grinning as he murders Oscar.

http://www.africancrisis....headed_Stacy_Wilson_7.jpg

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Greatestloveofall

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

I find it quite disgusting how some people on here are going out of their way to rationalise/implicitly defend the actions of these bent coppers. They HATE black people and that is a fact. Stop play strange bedfellows, and stick up for our black brothers who are being massacred by these extremists.

America shouldn’t be condemning Al Qaeda, Hamas, Tamil Tigers, Lashk-e-Taiba (the ones supposedly behind the shootings in India in November), when it’s plain to see that American police forces across the country are the homegrown terrorists.

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AVENGE OSCAR GRANT'S DEATH NOW

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@132

Yes. I agree.

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Nothing But Love

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@ JUDAH

You need to get a grip, all your conspiracy stories sound like a bunch of nosense

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Sade

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

I agree with the poster who said the only way this sh*t will end is when the world ends. Im not surprised by the cops shooting a UNARMED black man nor will I be shocked if he walks away free. There is nothing any of us can do about it. All of yall are saying lets go killed the cops. Now you know good and damn well that wont happen. The only way that would happen is if black people actually banded together. Every last one of us. And black people banding together is like pulling a shark tooth up close from an awake shark. Lets be honest, black people will kill each other first before they kill a police officer. That is a fact after reading certain statements written on this blog.
White people will always be evil and America will always be the land where demons play and run wild. I just hope when the world ends and hopefully God rebuilds it, black people will come back as smarter, stronger and fiercer people. But you know time will only tell how our journeys begin and end I guess.

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Nothing But Love

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@ THEGREATESTLOVEOFALL

Aint that the truth….

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sowhat...1234567

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Instead of arguing about the issues, all of you prefer to point the blames at yourself. You can blame the black women all you want. You can blame the black men all you want, but you are all COLLECTIVELY fools…man or woman.

You will never hear white people fight with each other if a black person was to shoot an innocent white person. They would rather collectively shoot all of you niggas execution style. The same applies to Asian people and even those middle eastern people who seem to bomb each other for absolutely nothing.

I rather say that this issue is only in black America because even in Canada or in France, black people don’t act that way. The only thing that will ever bring black America together is some sort of genocide or holocaust. Then and only then will the black women and black men share a common interest.

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JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@Nothing But Love

What conspiracy theory? I don’t know who you think you’re fooling but you certainly cannot fool me. Other than 2 or 3 sisters on here with some sense, most of them are either trying to make an excuse for the policeman or they’re saying that they will “pray for both families”, smh. The Lord is not hearing your B.S. prayers (Proverbs 28:9, Jeremiah 11:14). Alot of black people think that they can do what they want; live how they want, and think what they want, and then when affliction comes, they want to talk about what they’re going to pray for or to. Get the hell out of here.

@So What

That genocide and that holocaust will come. That is what this economic collapse is the pretext for. All that pride and pomp will cease and there won’t be anymore “thug niggas” and “independent strong black women”. There will just be people fighting for their lives and each race will resort back to their own and drop the unity mind-control nonsense.

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dukesman2000

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@MWN

Any day someone kills a cop, that’s a good day. It is even a better day, when a Black man does it. I remember here in NY a guy went on a killing spree and shot two unarmed auxillary cops. The video was aired on TV. You even saw when one of cops was running and fell; the gunman stood over him, with the cop obviously begging for his life, dude just pumped three bullets in his a$$.

That scene was…what’s the word?…orgasmic. I know at his funeral people talked about how good a cop he was, but no one talked about alll the b*tching he did before he got shot.

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WestIndiePrincess

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

And @
#43 - SOUL COOKBOOK & #46 - THE TRUTH….
I love the words you have shared on this site/comments page…you both have been TRULY blessed by God w/what matters most…INTELLIGENCE & UNDERSTANDING!!! You should be travelling the world and sharing your wisdom! More people ‘lost in the sauce’ should be around you two in order to gain a better perspective on life!
Jah Bless!!!

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JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

LMAO @ Dukesman.

I remember those two b*tches in the Village.

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JamaquinaCubanita

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

And I understand how pissed off everybody is but ’shooting cracker cops in the face’ is NOT the kind of thing WE as a people should be doing! It will only bring us down to their evilous levels! WE are children of God, WE are intelligent, God-fearin’, LOVING creatures. That’s the beauty of us, and that’s why white people feel intimidated and hateful towards us. WE were born/created with a different mindset, different physical traits that they covet and PAY for, different heart…..while all they know about is STEALING/TAKING from others to make themselves seem/appear BETTER!! WE CAN NOT STOOP TO THEIR LEVELS PEOPLE!!! WE should maintain the humility that our ancestors had in the Motherland! WE don’t need to resort to BULLSHIT like this to appear better NOR for healing! God alone is enough! He is always watching! We’ve always been a strong people…we need to stand together and protect each other, reclaim our strength!

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Nothing But Love

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@ JUDAH

Im talking about your theorys of how “the black woman” is against and hates the black man and their working with the system. c’mon seriously what the heck are you talking about?? im a black woman and i dont hate black men nor am i working “with” the system; your making yourself sound crazy….

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WestIndiePrincess

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@ #137 - SO WHAT….1234567

Only reason they don’t act like that in Canada (where I LIVE) and France (where an African descendant friend had to RUN AWAY from only to come to the same shit here in CANADA) is because the majority is BRAINWASHED!!!
Would rather fall for anything and live a spoiled, MATERIALISTIC life WITH the ’smile-in-your-face-stab-you-in-the-back-ruin-your-life’ caucasians than stand for something/be proud of who they are, where their parents come from!! Like what was said before, white people only know to glamourize their lives and reap off of the hard work of others…mostly non-white people! And black people would rather feel equal by having the same ”riches” that whites have by throwing away their culture/creed/background and conform!!

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JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@144 Nothing But Love

Read the comments please. Instead of trying to parlay this issue into an attack on me, read the comments by some of these creatures. Furthermore, I could care less how I’m perceived. I said “most”. if you’re not one of the “most” than it shouldn’t affect or offend you. Believe me, there are women that frequent this site that will avoid a post like this because they don’t want to out themselves for what they are. “People” like “MWNY” and “I Have Not Thought of A Username” are not even intelligent enough to want to hide their true feelings. No one would dare tell a white jew that the Holocaust didn’t occur or that they deserve to be fighting tooth and nail with the Palestinians for the atrocities that they have committed. On the other hand, you can always count on a black woman to propagate the smokescreen of black on black crime (a COMPLETELY separate issue) to justify why racism no longer exists.

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dukesman2000

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@JamaquinaCubanita,

Sister, I hear you and understand what you trying to say. However, haven’t Black people been praying for forgiveness for the white for a long time now? The more accepting we’ve become, the more wicked and evil the white man has become. Yes, we are loving creatures, but for our love we’ve only inherited the white man’s brutality. We call on God they call on God - while they put the ropes around our necks. We say “Lord forgive for they know not what they’ve done.” As long as they’ve been doing it, they not only know what they’re doing, they’ve become subject matter experts at lynching Black people. God only help those who help themselves and we are not helping ourselves when we sit back and watch these racist bastards shoot us down like wild beasts. What about that old time religion: an eye for an eye; a limb for a limb? If there is going to be sorrow in the Black community, let there be sorrow in the white community. Evil does not take a step back – only in the face of more evil.

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dukesman2000

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@Judah…

I figured you were a NYer….

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JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

I couldn’t have put it better than “WESTINDIEPRINCESS” did. This nonsense about how well blacks live in Canada and France is a facade. There were almost race wars in France a couple of years ago when the caucasian French got inspired to run the North Africans, Haitians, and black Africans out of the country and they rioted in response. As for Canada, those negroes up there are watered down robots. Thats why they’re always talking about how there is “racial harmony” in Canada. White people can only live in harmony with non-whites when they are the leaders and the other races understand that they are the leaders. That means that the other races must live like whites, speak like whites, and have European values. That’s what is meant when it is spoken that “all races should come together”.

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Lazarus

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

The officer who shot Oscar is named Johannes Mehserle, and he is presently under police protection. Since he wants to take the cowards route and not show up to give an account of his actions that night, steps need to be take to flush him out from whatever hole he’s hiding in. I did a little research and found the following:

Possible email address: jmehserle@sbcglobal.net.
eBay account name:jmehserle; this is almost definite because that username made a purchase from a cop store back in April
facebook: Closest connection I could find is Marrika Mehserle, who was a student at theUniversity of California -Davis campus in northern Cali. A cousin, or sister, perhaps?
I also found a Todd Mehserle in northern Cali; based on his birthday he’s possibly an uncle or maybe even his father.

Im looking up contact info on the president of the BART officers union. Hes been disturbingly silent on this tragedy and is no doubt helping to shelter the sorry excuse for a man tha killed Oscar Grant in cold blood.

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ZULU

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@ CAMILLE DAVIS:

So you’re polluting the community with a legion of fatherless bastards by man-children who don’t think enough of you to wife you up, and I’m the ignorant one with self esteem issues? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense lol.

That’s the problem. People are quick to rationalize this government-funded annihilation with bullshit excuses. But when it’s time to deal with the root cause endemic to 90% of the pathology, they lose their damn minds. You cannot raise anyone “the right way” by consciously failing miserably to give them a chance at a normal household. The truth hurts, deal with it.

Dumb ass cheap thrill.

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ZULU

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

LMAO @ #140 DUKESMAN

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AVENGE OSCAR GRANT'S DEATH NOW

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@149: good work. Let’s try and locate this cracker cop and flush his sordid murdering azz out. I sincerely doubt he is going to even be alive this time next week!!

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AVENGE OSCAR GRANT'S DEATH NOW

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Dukesman that is simply the best post I’ve ever seen on CL. Can’t stop laughing!

“Any day someone kills a cop, that’s a good day. It is even a better day, when a Black man does it. I remember here in NY a guy went on a killing spree and shot two unarmed auxillary cops. The video was aired on TV. You even saw when one of cops was running and fell; the gunman stood over him, with the cop obviously begging for his life, dude just pumped three bullets in his a$$.

That scene was…what’s the word?…orgasmic”

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JUDAH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

@Sade

I agree that no one is going to kill that cop. Black people as a whole have been compromised. Killing the cop is carnal anyway. The issue is a spiritual issue.

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JR

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

As a young black man living in ATL this scares me to DEATH to think that for no reason I could be shot and killed because of a police officer’s “judgement” that I am potentially violent .

I get pulled over all the time for no reason; I literally have a phobia of the police, jail, and court.

I think police are out to get me, not to help.
And it’s only going to get worse.

Lord BLESS their family. 25 million dollars could never be enough.

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Have Not Thought Of A New User Name

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

109. JUDAH, 112. ZULU, 114. dukesman2000

I’ll adress you all at once

I am not defending anbody I wasn’t there.

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Have Not Thought Of A New User Name

Thursday, January 8, 2009 /

Wow some of ya’ll are really crazy, I guess I wasn’t clear in my comments.

The point I was trying to make was, I don’t think that the officer went to work that day with the intention of killing anybody black or white. Either way, whether or not he pulled the gun but was thinking taser, there was no need for it because Oscar was complying and handcuffed. I just think it’s possible (I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED) that in the heat of the moment an 2 year officer made a horrible call, he will pay for in this life or the after life and that I’m sure of.

I hope I was more clear than my last post if not I give up lol

God Bless and Good Night

G

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BEYONCE BEYONCE

Friday, January 9, 2009 /

too sad. RIP

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Lawrence Alexander

Friday, January 9, 2009 /

Why don’t you guys grow up? People can make mistakes. Cops can make mistakes too. (They’re people. They share the same genes and they’re bound by the same curse as every man on this planet.)

Black people concern themselves with drawing out “racist”issues. Pleeeeaaaase. You wouldn’t know “racist” unless a white guy wearing a grand purple robe rode up on you with his white stallion carrying a can of BBQ starter fluid, a match and a wooden cross!!!

These young men were all on the BART system at 2 am. If they were minding their own business then I can see why this would be wrong, but they weren’t. They were fighting. Cops are supposed to be called out to fights. “That what cops do.”

Are young black men supposed to be on the BART fighting?
Is that “how they do?”

My tax money is going toward making your neighborhood safe. Why? Because you can’t police your own kids! You can’t because you won’t. Somebody has to do it for you. You would be better off setting rules for your children to follow,,,,,,, like curfew. That’s a good one. If they were in by 10 or 11 pm then this wouldn’t have happened. Monitor the young men and women they hang out with. Take time to hang out with them yourselves.

But don’t go around pointing the finger at police or any other authority figure who is “doing doubletime” trying to catch up to your failures or mistakes.

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Joy

Saturday, January 10, 2009 /

First of all, I am so tired of black people having to use their color to defend their own racist anger. Being black doesn’t make it ok to be racist against anyone. I’m not white and I’m not black. Last time I checked, God doesn’t bless those who are cruel no matter what color you are. Yes, what has happened was an enormous tragedy and is completely unjustified. That man did not deserve what happened to him and it is especially sad because he was young. Yes, it is not a mystery that police have used their power to take action against those they are racist against. But why does this have to be the case EVERY SINGLE TIME? Police have done this to EVERYONE. In the end, it is a matter of a PERSON being given a certain amount of power over people that obviously cannot handle it properly. This has been proven in scientific experiments even. There are people who can be given power and they abuse it. Not because they are racist necessarily, but because they have no self control. I pray for the family of the young man and hopefully justice will be served. I do sincerely hope this wasn’t a racist act although does it matter? A young man’s life ended regardless. This shouldn’t be a reason to be racist against white people. This should be a reason to fight for a better system, to build a better country…together.

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Dont miss the point!!!

Saturday, January 10, 2009 /

Trini

Dont miss the point of the article. People causing harm against them selves, and believe me honey it is happening in EVERY nationality is one thing. BUT the people that are hired to PROTECT the people KILLING people unlawfully is another ball game!!!!!!!!!!

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Lovely1

Sunday, January 11, 2009 /

First of all my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one. We need more
love between all human beings no matter what race we are. The killings, period,
must stop. I ask that we all pray for God to comfort everyone at this time. I pray
that he dispatch his angels to protect each and everyone of us from harm. I know that
many are angered, we must remain calm. We do not need anymore killings stemming from this. God be with us all.

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NEWS ROUNDUP: NEW ORLEANS POLICE KILL YOUNG MAN / DUNGY RETIRES / INMATE PULLS OUT EYE & EATS IT

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 /

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